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Choosing DH or teenage nearly adult children

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789vghu8 · 11/10/2025 21:58

Been married 20 years with 2 teenage kids. When I met DH he was a breath of fresh air he had his own house, a really good job , was quite intelligent and most important of all and why I fell for him was how good he was at conversation and he was interested in me as a person (and not just a snog or an easy shag) We met in a nightclub!!!

He has been a fantastic husband in the early days but not a great father unfortunately, and because of this I started to resent him many years ago. As time has gone on and the children got older he got better but still couldn't and can't understand why I do so much for them and why now they are still living with us.

It all come to a head today as we went to a uni open day with my DD. He doesn't do family stuff so we have done all other visits on our own but this one was bit further away and I wasn't comfortable driving that far so I asked him for help - (I rarely ask him for any type of help as it just causes stress so I do everything to do with the children on my own) He reluctantly agreed but his answer was if DD wants to go to uni open day she is 17 she goes on her own at 17 why the hell would she want her parents tagging along and he got really angry with me last night as he said that there would be no other parents at the open day even though I assured him there would be as I have done several open days these last few weeks.

So apparently we have all sucked the life out of him since my eldest was born by putting so many demands on him -first it was parents evening , then swimming lessons, then football games, birthday parties all things i expected him to attend but actually after 2 years of asking I didn't expect any type of involvement from him. He says now the children are older I am still running round after them and I need to decide who is the priority - them or him.

He will never collect or pick children up from anywhere, never been to watch my sons football games or ever looked after the children for more than 3 hours.

I have sucked the life out of him with all my expectations.

However he will take my auntie to all her hospital appointments and is very helpful to our neighbours. This is because they are old and infirm and unable to look after themselves. If myself or one of the kids asks for a favour he won't help us out.

He wants me to choose. Kids are 19 and 17 and almost adults but I still want to do stuff with them and I am really close to both of them which he can't understand but as he was very distant when they were little it has always fallen on me to do everything and as a result neither child really has a relationship with him which is what he wants but I can't choose between him and them so I really feel stuck in the middle. Kids will not need me soon but if I don't stop doing things with them I will lose him and I don't know why I am so scared as he has never really been 'there'

OP posts:
WilfredsPies · 12/10/2025 02:03

His parents have been married 60 years and spend every single moment together and he wants what they have How will he ever have what they have when he can’t put his own wants and needs to one side to support you? Would his father refuse to help his mother if she needed it? I doubt it. And what about you? What do you want? Do you want a marriage where he’s nice to you only as long as you don’t have any interests apart from him? Where your children never visit your home and he’ll sulk if you go to visit their homes?

You need to tell him that you don’t know if he is the way he is due to unresolved trauma from his childhood or because you believe he is autistic, but point out to him that he has been an utterly shit father and an equally poor husband so why on earth would you choose him over your DC? Yes, he might be lovely and happy when they’re out of sight, but how can you forget his lack of care and support or forgive him for what he has put them through? The same trauma his parents put him through? Has it occurred to him that your children will have serious issues knowing that their father resented their presence? And has it occurred to you that you may well be an inch away from them deciding that you allowed him to treat them that way? What will happen if they have children? Will he expect you to choose between him and your grandchildren? Assuming they allow you anywhere near them?

I think that this is your last opportunity to redeem any future chance of a good relationship with your children.

Perimama · 12/10/2025 02:12

Of course choose your kids. How can this even be a question? I sill need my mum and I am nearly 50. Your poor kids. Why would you even want to stay with a complete selfish arsehole?

Badger32 · 12/10/2025 02:27

I think you chose years ago to be honest
It's already set in stone ,the family dynamics
I don't understand why you didn't leave him when they were little
To late now ,won't make a difference,it's how they were brought up ,damage is done .
Kids have managed this long with him as a dad ,you might as well carry on as you are , because once they leave home they are unlikely to come back .and then you will be on your own .
Plenty of kids grew up with a shit father ,at least they had you in their corner

Badger32 · 12/10/2025 02:29

789vghu8 · 11/10/2025 22:24

I think he is possibly autistic and he relishes peace and quiet and he says he never gets this because of the demands that are put on him. His parents stopped parenting him at around 14 as they were so in love and still are so there was no time for him. He never had swimming lessons, holidays etc as he was just sort of shoved in a corner.

We almost had marriage counselling about 10 yrs ago but he refused to do it as he will not talk about his childhood.

Looking back he had absolutely no idea what parenting entailed.

I should have left years ago but I thought as kids would get older it would get easier but actually as kids have got older the parenting challenges are sometimes even harder than when they were little - dealing with teenage mental health issues, teenage dating and break ups, helping them learn to drive, uni applications, looking for jobs. He says all of the above should be dealt with by them and I should not be involved any longer and he then makes me feel guilty and I think maybe I have done and do too much and they do rely on me too much.

His parents have been married 60 years and spend every single moment together and he wants what they have although 49 of this years that he has been alive he hasn't been their priority - my parents have had a long marriage too but are constantly bickering my mum moans about my dad, dad moans about mum also, she has friends she does things with he used to go on weekends away with his friends and me and my siblings have always even as adults done stuff with my parents - and H struggles with this. We are adults so why are we still wanting to do stuff with our parents. He moved out at 16 and sees his parents once a year if that.

I'm autistic,that's insulting to say he must be autistic because he's a shit dad .it's bollocks..I'm an excellent parent,a million times better than my parents and my husband and I'm autistic and they are not .

Kilofoxtrot99 · 12/10/2025 02:33

This will only continue to get harder for you as the kids will still want you in their lives, and this will cause drama, or they will remove themselves, and once this happens your kids will be lost to you. No grandkids or relationships with their partners. What a total tragedy for you and them. Your husband once they have left the house will make any contact miserable. Your kids until now have had no choice but to tolerate his behaviour, but those days are nearly over as they develop independence. Don’t lose sight of the life you want to have in the remaining years you have left. Best of luck, whatever you decide to do.

spoonbillstretford · 12/10/2025 02:43

Doesn't he have any other men with families around to compare himself to and see that he falls short? How was his own father? Did he not freely agree to having children?

I'd have divorced him years ago for being a shit father though, it is absolutely intolerable and unforgivable.

Meadowfinch · 12/10/2025 02:56

Eyesopenwideawake · 11/10/2025 22:01

Tell him to fuck off to the other side of fuck and then fuck off a bit further.

Just my tuppence.

This. Your poor dcs having such a selfish jealous arse for a dad.

How could you possibly choose your dh. If you ever want to babysit a grandchild or help your dcs redecorate a home, you'll still be living in the same resentful whining in 10 or 20 years.

Family as a whole comes first. Either he is part of that or he is not. What a pathetic attitude he has.

soverymuchdone · 12/10/2025 03:12

Neurodiversity is highly heritable. The chances that all his children are going to be fully independent functioning adults by their late teens are really not good, especially given the quality of his parenting.. But he doesn't actually know his children, does he? He's latched on to you as his sole meaningful human contact and he's not interested in letting anyone else in.

There's some damaged woman out there who'd be fine with turning her back on everyone and everything else to inhabit his hermetically sealed love bubble. Cut him loose so he can find her. You and your kids deserve more.

CrystalShoe · 12/10/2025 03:19

Kids x infinity.

I am really shocked at your husband. He sounds utterly horrible. Surely you don't want him anyway - your swimsuit area must have clamped shut so hard, the clang was heard in France.

You can have another partner, but your kids are for life.

It sounds as if he wants out, anyway. No one could be this unreasonable and expect it to work. I don't know why he doesn't just say that he wants his freedom, instead of playing this vile game where he makes you pick.

I wouldn't play that game. I'd carry on doing as much as you want for your kids, and he'll probably just leave of his own accord. And you'll be much better off, free to enjoy your relationships with your kids as much as want.

Hugs, OP. You and you kids deserved so much better.

Meadowfinch · 12/10/2025 03:23

OP, I think I'd be very careful & very wary.

Your h obviously does not have the normal range of emotions. He resents and is childishly jealous of his own children, and genuinely seems to expect you to cut yourself off from them.

He has waited 19 years for the opportunity to be rid of them. Waited 19 years to have you all to himself. He didn't wander off with another woman who would put him first. He stayed because he wants you. No-one else will do.

How do you think he is going to react when you tell him no? When he discovers that having waited 19 years, he still isn't going to get what he wants? That you still aren't going to put him first.

That's very worrying. Make sure, before you answer his ultimatum, that you are ready to run if necessary.

Olive567 · 12/10/2025 03:29

OP, there are elements in your posts that remind me of my ex DP. He spent 18 years of our relationship, while we brought up DC, being resentful, bitter and wanting things from me that i couldn't easily give. I tried hard to make things work for us as a family and felt a lot of guilt for DP not being happy. I see now that I tip toed around his selfish and self absorbed behaviour and pandered to him, to my own detriment.
Anyway, it took a few years of getting my financial affairs in order, but i did see the light and i split up with him. I'm still getting used to the novel feeling of not living with a heavy cloud of resentment in the home. And being free from the weight of guilt. I don't know how i tolerated it for so long tbh.
OP, it sounds like you've tried hard to get things to work but your guilt is enabling you to be controlled by your selfish husband. He sounds awful. It is possible to be free of it. Choose life, choose your kids.

Planesmistakenforstars · 12/10/2025 03:36

I should have left years ago
Why would you stay now then?? Baffling

He has been a fantastic husband
You've described a selfish, emotionally abusive, immature knob. But he does cooking from scratch. Honesty OP if someone told you they'd eaten a wonderful meal, because it tasted good, but they also found a bit of shit in it, would you think they were focusing on the wrong thing? Would you advise them to keep eating it?

excelledyourself · 12/10/2025 03:59

This thread is so sad. God only knows how your children must feel. Hearing their friends talk about their dads and family life must hurt so much.

And what kind of parent tries to insist his teenagers are unable to contact them on a night out?! That’s incomprehensible to me.

Please choose your children.

CrystalShoe · 12/10/2025 04:03

OP, what if you "choose" him, and then he leaves you anyway?

As for cooking and then refusing to eat with you all, how dare he treat you all that way! What makes HIM so superior that you're not good enough to eat with? I think he sounds like a narcissist.

Plenty of people have rotten childhoods and they don't turn out like this. Maybe the issue is not his childhood, but maybe it's that he's like his parents, character-wise.

XWKD · 12/10/2025 04:12

The only possible correct answer to "It's me or him/her/them" is always the same. "Fuck off. Bye."

SpidersAreShitheads · 12/10/2025 04:23

The real question you should be asking yourself is “why on earth would I even consider staying with this man?”

He sounds awful.

And anyone who could be so cold and disinterested in his own DC would kill my love for them stone-dead.

Also, I’m AuDHD so being autistic is absolutely zero excuse and I’m sick of men acting as if their neurodivergence means they get to opt out of being a decent human.

Why don’t you arrange solo counselling OP so you can explore why you’re even considering staying with him.

MadinMarch · 12/10/2025 04:25

ItstheHRTpat · 11/10/2025 22:09

You all deserve so much better than him

This!
What's the point of him? And what's the point of being married to him?
LTB and have a nicer life for yourself and your soon to be adult children.

ImustLearn2Cook · 12/10/2025 04:28

@789vghu8 No you do not have to choose between your husband and your teenagers. You choose you. Tell him that you are not choosing between him and your kids because you have already made your choice. YOU! Prioritise yourself. If you want to spend time with your teenagers, help them out, go to open days etc. then that’s what you do, and you don’t need his permission or to feel bad about it. If you want some time for yourself to unwind and relax or enjoy a hobby, then that’s what you do. You want to spend time with your husband and he’s available then great, enjoy.

Choose to prioritise yourself. Refuse to choose between him and your kids. If he has a problem with that, then that’s his problem not yours.

Cornflakegirl7 · 12/10/2025 04:28

789vghu8 · 11/10/2025 22:24

I think he is possibly autistic and he relishes peace and quiet and he says he never gets this because of the demands that are put on him. His parents stopped parenting him at around 14 as they were so in love and still are so there was no time for him. He never had swimming lessons, holidays etc as he was just sort of shoved in a corner.

We almost had marriage counselling about 10 yrs ago but he refused to do it as he will not talk about his childhood.

Looking back he had absolutely no idea what parenting entailed.

I should have left years ago but I thought as kids would get older it would get easier but actually as kids have got older the parenting challenges are sometimes even harder than when they were little - dealing with teenage mental health issues, teenage dating and break ups, helping them learn to drive, uni applications, looking for jobs. He says all of the above should be dealt with by them and I should not be involved any longer and he then makes me feel guilty and I think maybe I have done and do too much and they do rely on me too much.

His parents have been married 60 years and spend every single moment together and he wants what they have although 49 of this years that he has been alive he hasn't been their priority - my parents have had a long marriage too but are constantly bickering my mum moans about my dad, dad moans about mum also, she has friends she does things with he used to go on weekends away with his friends and me and my siblings have always even as adults done stuff with my parents - and H struggles with this. We are adults so why are we still wanting to do stuff with our parents. He moved out at 16 and sees his parents once a year if that.

I knew he were autistic as soon as I read your opening post OP.
You must choose your children. If you want to keep any sort of relationship with them and ever want a relationship with your potential grandchildren.

He isn't a great husband leaving you to all the parenting unless you've missed out a very important part entailing that he never wanted them and you entrapped him which I very much doubt.

Weenurse · 12/10/2025 04:34

I think my concern would be with grand children. If he doesn’t want to spend time with his own children, he is unlikely to want anything to do with grandchildren.
Your choice, him and no family contact or family and not him.

WatchingTheDetective · 12/10/2025 04:37

I can't understand why this is a dilemma for you. He sounds absolutely awful and I can't understand why you'd want to be with him even if you didn't have any children. Although I think you are clearly a good mother I think you have made a very serious mistake in staying with him all this time. In fact I wonder whether you will suffer repercussions when your children realise that you are getting rid of him just as they are leaving home.

Bansheed · 12/10/2025 04:38

I suspect he is very controlling and the reason he helps outside the home is to get social status brownie points to divert from the emotional abuse he delivers in the home. Probably stores highly in narcissistic traits.

I was married to similar ..now divorced.

CrazyGoatLady · 12/10/2025 04:42

I knew he were autistic as soon as I read your opening post OP.

Why? Are you another one of the ableist shits on here who equates "autistic" with "abusive, horrible human being and shit parent?"

Statistically, autistic people are more likely to be abused in relationships than be the abuser. Not saying there isn't a middle of the Venn diagram where "autistic" and "twat" coexist, because after all, Elon Musk. But it makes me feel sick on here, as an autistic person, some of the assumptions people make on here and the things that are said.

Abusive, horrible men are sometimes just abusive, horrible men. The end.

Nestingbirds · 12/10/2025 04:49

789vghu8 · 11/10/2025 23:04

I only say he was a great husband as he is great at everything else - he does all the domestic and house keeping tasks, and all the cooking. He has absolutely no problem cooking a meal for 4 every night often from scratch- although he then eats his outside or in the living room so he doesn't have to talk to us- but if it is just me and him he is so different much less grumpy and relaxed - his words "just the kids being in the house stress him out because they are always talking or wanting something" . He also does all the laundry and puts it all away and loves and is good (far better than me at all at all the domestic household stuff) - but if a child wants to be picked up from a party it is an instant no. If they've decided to go out they need to make their own way home!!

I could never go out when kids were little as he wouldn't look after them and kids wouldn't stay with him anyway but he has no issue with me going out with friends etc now.

We did used to get out a bit without the kids and literally as soon as we were out the front door he would be back to his happy go lucky former self and we would have a great time but the second we walked back in the house and I needed to do something for one of them he would sink back into his grumpy mood. The last time we went out my son phoned as he couldn't find the wifi card code for his mate as he was visiting and DH was so angry at ruining our night and phoning for such a pathetic reason he wanted me to turn my phone off when out together in future and I have refused to go out together since then really.

I am the child in this equation, and my father was exactly the same. I am aware your post has really hit a nerve. I am hopeful your dh didn’t hit and beatyour dc, but mine certainly did and enjoyed it. My father openly hated us, publicly said so, he resented the air we would breathe. He has never done a single thing for my brother and I. Not even a single bed time story or even hugged me once that I can remember. I can only share how it panned out post childhood.

My brother and I both had mental health issues before they were even well known battling with parental rejection, low self esteem and other problems related to our home life. My brother particularly struggled with different addictions and had anger problems.

I was actively suicidal by the time he tried to force me out of the family home too, from fifteen years old upwards he started talking about it and at eighteen he succeeded. So it sounds just the same as your situation.

He could not get us to leave fast enough for exactly the same reasons as your dh. He wanted my mother solely to himself and peace and quiet. Neglect in childhood from his own parents that he too couldn’t even discuss. My mother felt sorry for him mostly, and understood that he just wanted her and no one else. He also demanded that she should choose us or her at around the time I was 17. My mother choose him as ‘we would have our own lives’

I went on to have a string of violent relationships as I expected nothing from relationships, I had nothing to model good relationships with men, so I choose men that would follow the same parttern as my father.

I moved overseas and ‘broke my mother’s heart’ but by this point I had no family home to return to anyway! The years I spent overseas I was able to see how healthy families worked.

My brother struggled terribly but carved out a life not dissimilar to my parents sadly, and so the cycle continues.

My father’s resentment didn’t stop with me, it continued on to the grandchildren and he started to emotionally abuse them too - resenting the few hours a week my mother would spend with them. He was then cut off altogether. As a result my mother hasnt really seen any of her children or grandchildren. Just the way he likes it.

My mother has become a shell of her former self, with barely any friends (she has a few) barely seeing her children or grandchildren because they aren’t welcome in her house, because of my father.
This is what she has chosen for herself. It has been heartbreaking. To say the very least, because I know my mother didn’t want this outcome.

We moved hours and hours away. Tbh I found it too hard living nearby, managing my children’s safety around a man that hates us.

I have no relationship with my father at all, and because my mother enabled his abuse and stayed with him, I feel a great deal of resentment towards her too. She has appeased him all of her life.

I have had a happy life, I created my own fulfilment and family, but I needed ten years plus of therapy. My children now adult, have no interest in either of them. I see my mother once a year, and even that is difficult, because I can’t see her at home.

I feel like she has lost everything. Thanks to him.
I would think very carefully well beyond this stage, and see where this might end up for you and dc op. I hope your children are having therapy to help them manage this awful and very damaging home life. I am so sorry you ended up with such an awful man op. So sorry for your children too.

Puregoldy · 12/10/2025 04:50

He doesn’t know how to parent presuming because of his own upbringing. Did he appreciate being forgotten at 14 by his own parents. Interesting that he doesn’t want to parent differently. Have you stood up to him op over the years? Because why should you be doing it all? Your poor kids. If he can’t understand what being a dad is I don’t know how you have stayed together so long.