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Trying to make sense of my latest awful dating experience.

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LastsliceofBattenberg · 04/10/2025 14:21

Just need to vent really. Met a man on a dating app a month ago . Both of us mid-40s. I have kids but he doesn’t. At first he seemed like he was head and shoulders above previous dates as he was clear about interest in seeing me, consistent in contacting me and well-mannered. He was also good at planning dates. Second date he had baked me a cake I mentioned I liked. Third date he brought me something else home-made. The sexual connection was the best I’ve ever had although he did overstep boundaries a couple of times in terms of doing something I consider not standard without checking it was ok first. He booked a mini break for us for two nights (which I won’t be going on now).

I did notice on dates that he barely asked anything about me and I had to do a lot of the conversational heavy-lifting. A lack of curiosity about me and lack of asking any follow up questions if I told him something about myself. I also almost walked away early on as he divulged that he and his wife had lost a baby to SIDS and he referred to the baby as “it” and spoke in a really disconnected way about her. It seemed so dehumanising and I suspected he had unprocessed trauma.

He did all the lovely stuff though like wanting to cuddle me in bed for hours which I had really been missing. He could be quite considerate eg remembering my food preferences etc.

We were meant to go out for dinner last night and he was going to stay over even though I had a very early train to catch this morning. I came down with flu symptoms Thursday evening (told him
at the time) and by Friday morning I felt wretched. I also developed cystitis and was passing blood. So I messaged in the morning yesterday to explain what was going on and got this message “Are you cancelling on me now?” No concern for me at all. I explained that I was simply being considerate about not passing germs on to him and I would have to see how I felt a bit later. He apologised for his terse message (blamed it on being in the car) and said he would still like to come over and cuddle. As the day went on I felt worse and worse and so I messaged at 11.30am to cancel the whole evening. I didn’t want him staying over as know I just needed to sleep and I can’t sleep well with a new man in my bed. I emphasised how much I wanted to see him and offered alternative dates. It took him 3 hours to respond and all I got was “Ok…. supper cancelled.” That was it. Nothing for the rest of the day.

This morning I caved and messaged to ask what was going on. I got very terse responses saying he was upset and could not see how things could progress if we can only see each other for “the odd evening.” He said it was a shame as he thought there may have been potential. I’ve seen him multiple times per week, sometimes just for a dog walk of the kids were home but also for sleepovers and meals out. This week… saw him Friday night for meal, Saturday dog walk, Sunday dog walk, Wednesday sleepover!

I know it was only short-lived but I’ve had such a rubbish time dating and he was the first one I could see potential with in so long. I just don’t understand how you can do a 180 like this… feel I have whiplash. I know the sulking is a huge red flag and there is no going back from here. Not sure what I’m looking for from this other than your thoughts on the situation. How do you go from telling someone that it means so much to hold them all night and planning trips away to just freezing them out when they don’t do what you want one time. Just feel sad and worn down today.

OP posts:
toiletpaperthief · 05/10/2025 10:13

LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 09:30

I just want to understand how he could flip like that. I don’t know why. So I can avoid this in the future?

He sounds like a narcissist OP. I bet he's quite happy thinking how you're miserable and trying to find closure. He's punishing you right now for the awful crime of a) getting ill and b)rejecting him (how dare you!), but if you beg enough he "might" take you back, he sounds like a narciisist. The love bombing and wanting to move really fast is text book stuff.

You are not going to find closure if you talk to him, it will probably make you more confused and he might hoover you again. Put all his stuff in a box, mail it to him and block him.

TheFunSponge · 05/10/2025 10:16

Send him a text letting him know what time you will leave his belongings on your doorstep. Then go out so there's no opportunity to reel you back in. What a bloody creep! I would rather be single forever than deal with someone like this.

LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 10:17

@unhappycatI'm sorry you’re also wading to tonight this shit. I think your summary of the two camps is spot on. I wish you lots of luck.

@ForZanyAquaViewer I would never describe the people who have taken the time to reply to me as “vipers.”

Update…. The apology text has arrived. He was having a bad day and looking forward to “some company.” I shall be leaving his possessions in my parcel box and telling him to collect them when I’m at work. I’m glad I got flu as this has shown his true colours.

OP posts:
EarthSight · 05/10/2025 10:27

I think you want solace and reassurance.

Yes I think people process trauma in ways we don't always find palatable, so to put that aside, the red flag for me was this -

he did overstep boundaries a couple of times in terms of doing something I consider not standard without checking it was ok first

Then you add this to the mix -

I did notice on dates that he barely asked anything about me and I had to do a lot of the conversational heavy-lifting. A lack of curiosity about me and lack of asking any follow up questions if I told him something about myself

So I messaged in the morning yesterday to explain what was going on and got this message “Are you cancelling on me now?” No concern for me at all

Still shocked that he flipped like this. He seemed so into me. This has made me more cynical

I think you've had a lucky escape OP. He was a man in pursuit of something he wanted, and that's not necessarily good for you. He was a good actor for a while, but he was likely mostly interested in you for sex, not your personality, and the reason why you're so confused is he was willing to play the long game to get it, unlike some men who might dump you after no sleeping with them on the first or second date.

Curledup14 · 05/10/2025 10:38

LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 10:17

@unhappycatI'm sorry you’re also wading to tonight this shit. I think your summary of the two camps is spot on. I wish you lots of luck.

@ForZanyAquaViewer I would never describe the people who have taken the time to reply to me as “vipers.”

Update…. The apology text has arrived. He was having a bad day and looking forward to “some company.” I shall be leaving his possessions in my parcel box and telling him to collect them when I’m at work. I’m glad I got flu as this has shown his true colours.

His true colours were very apparent from the outset

he showed utter disinterest in you

3gingerboys · 05/10/2025 10:47

unhappycat · 05/10/2025 10:01

I’m also navigating the dating scene after a couple of terrible relationships (and my marriage ending)

I have found, for the most part, the men I’ve met have fallen into one of two camps.

Non committal, player type who doesn’t want to commit but will keep you on standby whilst he is messaging/dating a number of other women.

Men who just want to be with someone, they will go all in at a rapid pace and it can feel like your head is spinning because they’re so attentive and keen. However, as you’ve noticed, they’re not that interested in YOU as a person… it’s just about them being with someone and they’ll mould you in their minds to what they want, irrespective of who you are as a person. It’s quite manipulative and controlling and this is the reason that he has flipped like this… because you’re not doing what you’re supposed to be doing (aka being on hand to cater to his every need and available to see him, being human and having other priorities/illness).

Thank goodness he’s shown you early on who he is, believe it. I’ll bet he’ll have a sob story about why he reacted like this, something along the lines of he thought you were making excuses and were pulling away from him. It’ll be bullshit, it’s because you dared to deviate from the plan that he wanted.

Brilliantly put @unhappycat I've been trying to date and just broke up with someone after a year, he said all the right things but your description of someone a guy just wanting to be with someone totally fits.

OP you've had a lot of grief on here, be kind to yourself, this guy was not a keeper and is never going to give you closure. Hard as it is block, delete and take it as a lesson, there are good guys but give yourself some time to feel hurt and recover. I'm at that stage too, feels horrible but necessary. Big hugs and you definitely dodged a bullet!

ForZanyAquaViewer · 05/10/2025 11:07

NorthernGirl1975 · 05/10/2025 10:11

@ForZanyAquaViewer You're correct. I met a man exactly like this. Mini break after 3.5 weeks, forgot his card, didn't have a banking app, muggins ended up footing the bill. He turned into a nasty narcissistic abuser.

Edited

I’m so sorry.

LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 11:13

@3gingerboysthank you so much. You take care too.

OP posts:
Shadesofscarlett · 05/10/2025 12:19

although he did overstep boundaries a couple of times in terms of doing something I consider not standard without checking it was ok first

This bit alone would have been enough to dump and block surely?

Gymbunny2025 · 05/10/2025 12:23

Shadesofscarlett · 05/10/2025 12:19

although he did overstep boundaries a couple of times in terms of doing something I consider not standard without checking it was ok first

This bit alone would have been enough to dump and block surely?

Yep. And referring to his dead daughter as it. He’s an obvious monster

Fluffypotatoe123987 · 05/10/2025 12:40

Please do a claires law

Thebigonesgetaway · 05/10/2025 13:14

LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 10:17

@unhappycatI'm sorry you’re also wading to tonight this shit. I think your summary of the two camps is spot on. I wish you lots of luck.

@ForZanyAquaViewer I would never describe the people who have taken the time to reply to me as “vipers.”

Update…. The apology text has arrived. He was having a bad day and looking forward to “some company.” I shall be leaving his possessions in my parcel box and telling him to collect them when I’m at work. I’m glad I got flu as this has shown his true colours.

Yeah looking forward to getting laid more like. Prob spent the day thinking what else he could do to you as you allow him to do what he pleases, so he thinks he can treat you however and you’re so desperate to be with him, you will take it. Hence why he was so shocked you put him off. That’s not how someone desperate should behave. Now he’s thinking quick apology bit of cake and a mini break and you will be naked in no time, letting him do whatever.

i hope for your sake you keep him gone. Your future self will thank you. This man’s single for a reason.

Roodlegum · 05/10/2025 13:22

Op your absolute desire to be in a relationship, any quality at all will do, is what your thread should be about. Your benchmark is in the gutter. Spend time on yourself, really building up your confidence. What’s your friendship circle like? Fitness? Work?

empower yourself so you don’t get sucked in to what sounds like a very disturbing 3.5 weeks

Roodlegum · 05/10/2025 13:23

Again

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 05/10/2025 13:58

LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 10:17

@unhappycatI'm sorry you’re also wading to tonight this shit. I think your summary of the two camps is spot on. I wish you lots of luck.

@ForZanyAquaViewer I would never describe the people who have taken the time to reply to me as “vipers.”

Update…. The apology text has arrived. He was having a bad day and looking forward to “some company.” I shall be leaving his possessions in my parcel box and telling him to collect them when I’m at work. I’m glad I got flu as this has shown his true colours.

He will grovel and then he will start to guilt trip you, probably using the already booked weekend away as leverage. When this doesn’t work he will become angry and aggressive. At this point, phone the police.

Stay strong.

He is a textbook coercive controller xx

TwistedWonder · 05/10/2025 14:00

So his ‘apology’ is basically telling you it’s fine between you and he fancies another shag.

Please follow through with boxing up his stuff and have no further contact.

Subwaystop · 05/10/2025 14:33

My first relationship after a long period of not dating was, in many ways, similar. The guy seemed so keen, and my friends told me he was crazy about me, he was the one, we were a match meant to be, soulmates! I let things move at an incredibly fast pace. Then I got sick, and he complained about cancelled plans. My friends encouraged me to forgive it, saying it was just crossed wires over text. Well, we know how this story ends.

I now know what this whole song and dance means: red flags all around! It only took one such guy to learn, and I can now spot them a mile away. It also led me to come on Mumsnet, where I’ve learned so much about how to be a more discerning dater. Consider this guy an exercise in learning and move on. With time, you’ll get clarity (not by talking to him, but from distance, you’ll get it naturally, it’ll click.)

Starting from scratch sucks though, so you have my sympathies!

OriginalUsername2 · 05/10/2025 14:52

Anyone can play a nice person for a few weeks.

I wouldn’t even let a new potential female friend know where I lived that quickly anymore.

Roodlegum · 05/10/2025 14:53

OriginalUsername2 · 05/10/2025 14:52

Anyone can play a nice person for a few weeks.

I wouldn’t even let a new potential female friend know where I lived that quickly anymore.

He didn’t even manage that. He apparently never asked the Op any questions and she had do the heavy lifting

toxicjobrec · 05/10/2025 15:48

Gosh, some of you really enjoy needling a lady when she's down.

I think the op is hearing the message loud and clear that this guy was bad news. A little empathy for someone who has been on her own for a while, wants romantic love, and thought she'd got a glimpse of it wouldn't go amiss.

Op, I hope you're feeling better on both fronts! I echo the other posters saying you've had a lucky escape from this man; his control and sulking would have escalated. The way this fling has played out says nothing about your value and everything about his manipulation. You'll be wiser next time, but I'd urge you to drop his things off and not engage further. He will use it as an excuse to reel you in again, and it will drive you crazy. Listen to your gut. He's bad news. There are empathetic and attractive men out there who will find you interesting and won't cross your boundaries. Now you're free to meet them should you wish to.

Woolyminded · 05/10/2025 16:01

This sounds a lot like my recent experience, OP. Love-bombing, controlling, sulking if I needed to change plans, overstepping boundaries, so many red flags! It was just a month but I felt the need to do Clares law, and it revealed he has a history of DV and is currently under investigation for sexual assault. I ended it instantly and he's still harassing me with letters, full of apologies, self pity and veiled insults.
Be careful, these men are dangerous and volatile when they don't get what they want.

MsPavlichenko · 05/10/2025 16:06

LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 09:30

I just want to understand how he could flip like that. I don’t know why. So I can avoid this in the future?

Because he is an arsehole. That’s all, nothing to do with you. Do the Freedom Programme, it’s a life changer.

NorthernGirl1975 · 05/10/2025 16:16

Woolyminded · 05/10/2025 16:01

This sounds a lot like my recent experience, OP. Love-bombing, controlling, sulking if I needed to change plans, overstepping boundaries, so many red flags! It was just a month but I felt the need to do Clares law, and it revealed he has a history of DV and is currently under investigation for sexual assault. I ended it instantly and he's still harassing me with letters, full of apologies, self pity and veiled insults.
Be careful, these men are dangerous and volatile when they don't get what they want.

Yes I read your thread @Woolyminded and hopefully you're coming out the other side.

aquashiv · 05/10/2025 17:00

Don't feel bad; you only know what you know. The signs are never obvious, and hindsight is a wonderful thing. I often think about whether I would be happy if a friend treated me that way.

There's no rush—take your time. My dating stories are legendary, but there are good men out there, so don’t give up.

However, I recommend blocking him. He has definitely shown his true colours.

Thebigonesgetaway · 05/10/2025 17:49

aquashiv · 05/10/2025 17:00

Don't feel bad; you only know what you know. The signs are never obvious, and hindsight is a wonderful thing. I often think about whether I would be happy if a friend treated me that way.

There's no rush—take your time. My dating stories are legendary, but there are good men out there, so don’t give up.

However, I recommend blocking him. He has definitely shown his true colours.

Oh cmon, they were obvious this time. He did things in bed without asking. Didn’t ask her questions about herself. Booked a weekend away, which bizzarely she agreed to go on. And she shagged him again even though she knew he did things you’d normally seek consent for. I fully agree sometimes they aren’t obvious, but not “never obvious”and this time they were right in her face. And I’ve a bad feeling she’s going to run back and let him treat her however he pleases just so she can be with him.

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