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Trying to make sense of my latest awful dating experience.

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LastsliceofBattenberg · 04/10/2025 14:21

Just need to vent really. Met a man on a dating app a month ago . Both of us mid-40s. I have kids but he doesn’t. At first he seemed like he was head and shoulders above previous dates as he was clear about interest in seeing me, consistent in contacting me and well-mannered. He was also good at planning dates. Second date he had baked me a cake I mentioned I liked. Third date he brought me something else home-made. The sexual connection was the best I’ve ever had although he did overstep boundaries a couple of times in terms of doing something I consider not standard without checking it was ok first. He booked a mini break for us for two nights (which I won’t be going on now).

I did notice on dates that he barely asked anything about me and I had to do a lot of the conversational heavy-lifting. A lack of curiosity about me and lack of asking any follow up questions if I told him something about myself. I also almost walked away early on as he divulged that he and his wife had lost a baby to SIDS and he referred to the baby as “it” and spoke in a really disconnected way about her. It seemed so dehumanising and I suspected he had unprocessed trauma.

He did all the lovely stuff though like wanting to cuddle me in bed for hours which I had really been missing. He could be quite considerate eg remembering my food preferences etc.

We were meant to go out for dinner last night and he was going to stay over even though I had a very early train to catch this morning. I came down with flu symptoms Thursday evening (told him
at the time) and by Friday morning I felt wretched. I also developed cystitis and was passing blood. So I messaged in the morning yesterday to explain what was going on and got this message “Are you cancelling on me now?” No concern for me at all. I explained that I was simply being considerate about not passing germs on to him and I would have to see how I felt a bit later. He apologised for his terse message (blamed it on being in the car) and said he would still like to come over and cuddle. As the day went on I felt worse and worse and so I messaged at 11.30am to cancel the whole evening. I didn’t want him staying over as know I just needed to sleep and I can’t sleep well with a new man in my bed. I emphasised how much I wanted to see him and offered alternative dates. It took him 3 hours to respond and all I got was “Ok…. supper cancelled.” That was it. Nothing for the rest of the day.

This morning I caved and messaged to ask what was going on. I got very terse responses saying he was upset and could not see how things could progress if we can only see each other for “the odd evening.” He said it was a shame as he thought there may have been potential. I’ve seen him multiple times per week, sometimes just for a dog walk of the kids were home but also for sleepovers and meals out. This week… saw him Friday night for meal, Saturday dog walk, Sunday dog walk, Wednesday sleepover!

I know it was only short-lived but I’ve had such a rubbish time dating and he was the first one I could see potential with in so long. I just don’t understand how you can do a 180 like this… feel I have whiplash. I know the sulking is a huge red flag and there is no going back from here. Not sure what I’m looking for from this other than your thoughts on the situation. How do you go from telling someone that it means so much to hold them all night and planning trips away to just freezing them out when they don’t do what you want one time. Just feel sad and worn down today.

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Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/10/2025 15:39

Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 15:35

What’s the second phase? He has never shown interest from the word go

The first phase is love bombing. Constant contact, regular meet ups, baking her favourite cake, weekend away etc. all in the space of a month of meeting

The second phase is to create an issue which places him in the position of being “hurt”, of being the victim. “I just wanted to see you and cuddle you sad face

They then use this as a manipulation technique “You must not really care about me” etc. Therefore giving them an opportunity to gain some control

I shared a link with the process on.

ChristmasFluff · 04/10/2025 15:40

OP, be careful about the things you prioritise in another person.

You were disregarding his sexual coercion, and his callousness about his baby, because he baked a cake and cuddled in bed.

Baking and cuddling are not shared values. Respect and empathy should be.

And beware. I once refused to see a man again because on our first date he talked about how boring his wife had become after her stroke, and so he'd divorced her. And then he repeatedly tried to kiss me when I'd told him no. He stalked me.

Be ready to call the Police if you have to.

Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 15:41

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/10/2025 15:39

The first phase is love bombing. Constant contact, regular meet ups, baking her favourite cake, weekend away etc. all in the space of a month of meeting

The second phase is to create an issue which places him in the position of being “hurt”, of being the victim. “I just wanted to see you and cuddle you sad face

They then use this as a manipulation technique “You must not really care about me” etc. Therefore giving them an opportunity to gain some control

I shared a link with the process on.

Edited

But from day 1 he hasn’t shown any interest in the OP ie asking questions

Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 15:42

ladybirdsanchez · 04/10/2025 15:39

Well he did - on their second date he baked her a cake!

IME that's unusual behaviour and pretty intense when date #1 was a daytime coffee.

If you read the op… right from the start he hasn’t asked any questions and op had to do all the heavy lifting

BadgernTheGarden · 04/10/2025 15:43

Did he not believe you were ill? I think it was nice he still wanted to see you even if you weren't well, but sulking is not a good trait.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/10/2025 15:43

Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 15:41

But from day 1 he hasn’t shown any interest in the OP ie asking questions

Do you have experience of working with victims of domestic violence?

MoominMai · 04/10/2025 15:44

LastsliceofBattenberg · 04/10/2025 14:54

@ladybirdsanchez I don’t think he just wanted sex but I do think I was just a woman to fill a woman-shaped hole in his life.

Perfect quote for my ex (M 50) and me (F48 at time) who sounds exactly like yours! I had a crush on him from afar when met on a group thing out (not work) and it was him that asked me out and I was infatuated as he was gorgeous and fun. But…never asked Qs about me and if I ever felt unwell would go quiet on me and say things like ‘so you want to cancel on me is that it?’ like in a really uncaring way. But when we were together I was the ‘one’ and he was looking forward to us retiring together.

As a cautious person I made him wait for 4 months for sex but his interest, affection and commitment to arranging dates never wavered so I honestly felt he was the one: secure job, own house like me, an absolute hottie also - but eventually it all turned to jealousy and possessiveness and then accusations of cheating so I did after 2 up years reluctant end it as he was pushing us to buy a house together but deep down I knew he was riddled with flags.

I ended it with lots of kindness and listed all the positive things beforehand but he was so immature he just gave me the cold silent treatment for days and that was that - not a word back. Pat of me was gutted because like your ex he seemed to be able switch off being in love to zero just overnight and I must admit I still feel a little shaken now and do despair of ever finding anyone just normal.

Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 15:45

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/10/2025 15:43

Do you have experience of working with victims of domestic violence?

Huh?

none in any shape or form

I pointing out this chap was a knob from the get-go

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/10/2025 15:46

This is the image I should have shared. I was in a panic because my phone was about to die.

He’s mixing love bombing (baking cakes) and devaluing (disregarding your boundaries) in together. He’s now moving on to the discarding phase. At some point he will come back with tears and apologies and the cycle will restart.

Please don’t see this man again.

Trying to make sense of my latest awful dating experience.
BCBird · 04/10/2025 15:46

He's not the calibre of man you need OP. Someone who is not interested in asking about u is not worth bothering with. His primary comment when you had to cancel, should have shown concern and then disappointment
Don't waste your time.

TwistedWonder · 04/10/2025 15:47

JFC - he was waving so many red flags in your face that it must have resembled a communist party rally and you chose to ignore every single one of them.

He pushed your boundaries sexually right from the start and you still didn’t herd yo alarm bells that should have been ringing so loud they deafened you.

Honestly please learn from this and slow the fuck down. Tbh he sounds like his priority was sex and not who he was doing it with.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/10/2025 15:47

Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 15:45

Huh?

none in any shape or form

I pointing out this chap was a knob from the get-go

I gathered not.

ARichtGoodDram · 04/10/2025 15:49

In 3.5 weeks he's sexually assaulted you by the sounds of it, referred to his deceased child as "it", and shown no interest in asking any questions about you. Why on earth did it take him being a dick about you being ill to end it?

Also please seriously reconsider your safety boundaries if a man you met 3.5 weeks ago has been to your home multiple times.
Not every man out there is a danger, but enough of them are that we need to take care with our safety.

Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 15:49

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/10/2025 15:47

I gathered not.

Utterly bizarre 😵‍💫

PixelatedLunchbox · 04/10/2025 15:49

Sorry OP but you’ve dodged a massive bullet here.

user0345437398 · 04/10/2025 15:49

Sounds obvious but still people rarely realise that..

anyone can say anything

Words mean absolutely nothing.

Also men really enjoy roleplay.

daisychain01 · 04/10/2025 15:51

The mask didn't just slip OP it came crashing to the floor and splintered into a thousand tiny pieces.

the fact he had no interest in your wellbeing, but was hellbent on wanting to continue with your agreed date and that all important 'cuddle' 🙄 was the real kicker.

in MN lingo, a Prince Amongst Men, walking in our midst.

it was very sad the way he talked about his child, and it does seem he has detached himself from reality, but that's no excuse for the way he treated you. Let's face it, it won't get any better so best that you've been able to extricate yourself. A lucky escape.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/10/2025 15:53

Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 15:49

Utterly bizarre 😵‍💫

Abusers give with one hand and take with the other.
It’s all about destabilising their victim.

Where you have only seen the negative parts, OP has formed an attachment because of the good parts in spite of the glaring negative parts.

OP is not stupid. She’s being manipulated.

ChocolateCinderToffee · 04/10/2025 15:58

I think you’ve dodged coercive control with this one. Don’t let him reel you back in.

Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 15:59

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/10/2025 15:53

Abusers give with one hand and take with the other.
It’s all about destabilising their victim.

Where you have only seen the negative parts, OP has formed an attachment because of the good parts in spite of the glaring negative parts.

OP is not stupid. She’s being manipulated.

WTAF are you on about?

I haven’t made any comment excusing this gross sounding man

utterly weird.

Dweetfidilove · 04/10/2025 16:01

The speed and intensity of this whirlwind sent a chill down my spine. @LastsliceofBattenberg , please work on your survival instincts as your intuition was screaming at you and you were just carrying on.

toiletpaperthief · 04/10/2025 16:03

LastsliceofBattenberg · 04/10/2025 14:38

Thank you. I should add he also asked to be exclusive on date 2.

🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩⛳️🚩⛳️🚩🚩

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/10/2025 16:04

Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 15:59

WTAF are you on about?

I haven’t made any comment excusing this gross sounding man

utterly weird.

I didn’t say you’d excused him. I didn’t even allude to it. At all.

Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 16:05

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/10/2025 16:04

I didn’t say you’d excused him. I didn’t even allude to it. At all.

This is all very peculiar

MemorableTrenchcoat · 04/10/2025 16:08

LastsliceofBattenberg · 04/10/2025 14:54

@ladybirdsanchez I don’t think he just wanted sex but I do think I was just a woman to fill a woman-shaped hole in his life.

Equally, it sounds like you’re looking for a man to fill a man-shaped hole in your life, no?