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Trying to make sense of my latest awful dating experience.

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LastsliceofBattenberg · 04/10/2025 14:21

Just need to vent really. Met a man on a dating app a month ago . Both of us mid-40s. I have kids but he doesn’t. At first he seemed like he was head and shoulders above previous dates as he was clear about interest in seeing me, consistent in contacting me and well-mannered. He was also good at planning dates. Second date he had baked me a cake I mentioned I liked. Third date he brought me something else home-made. The sexual connection was the best I’ve ever had although he did overstep boundaries a couple of times in terms of doing something I consider not standard without checking it was ok first. He booked a mini break for us for two nights (which I won’t be going on now).

I did notice on dates that he barely asked anything about me and I had to do a lot of the conversational heavy-lifting. A lack of curiosity about me and lack of asking any follow up questions if I told him something about myself. I also almost walked away early on as he divulged that he and his wife had lost a baby to SIDS and he referred to the baby as “it” and spoke in a really disconnected way about her. It seemed so dehumanising and I suspected he had unprocessed trauma.

He did all the lovely stuff though like wanting to cuddle me in bed for hours which I had really been missing. He could be quite considerate eg remembering my food preferences etc.

We were meant to go out for dinner last night and he was going to stay over even though I had a very early train to catch this morning. I came down with flu symptoms Thursday evening (told him
at the time) and by Friday morning I felt wretched. I also developed cystitis and was passing blood. So I messaged in the morning yesterday to explain what was going on and got this message “Are you cancelling on me now?” No concern for me at all. I explained that I was simply being considerate about not passing germs on to him and I would have to see how I felt a bit later. He apologised for his terse message (blamed it on being in the car) and said he would still like to come over and cuddle. As the day went on I felt worse and worse and so I messaged at 11.30am to cancel the whole evening. I didn’t want him staying over as know I just needed to sleep and I can’t sleep well with a new man in my bed. I emphasised how much I wanted to see him and offered alternative dates. It took him 3 hours to respond and all I got was “Ok…. supper cancelled.” That was it. Nothing for the rest of the day.

This morning I caved and messaged to ask what was going on. I got very terse responses saying he was upset and could not see how things could progress if we can only see each other for “the odd evening.” He said it was a shame as he thought there may have been potential. I’ve seen him multiple times per week, sometimes just for a dog walk of the kids were home but also for sleepovers and meals out. This week… saw him Friday night for meal, Saturday dog walk, Sunday dog walk, Wednesday sleepover!

I know it was only short-lived but I’ve had such a rubbish time dating and he was the first one I could see potential with in so long. I just don’t understand how you can do a 180 like this… feel I have whiplash. I know the sulking is a huge red flag and there is no going back from here. Not sure what I’m looking for from this other than your thoughts on the situation. How do you go from telling someone that it means so much to hold them all night and planning trips away to just freezing them out when they don’t do what you want one time. Just feel sad and worn down today.

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Thebigonesgetaway · 04/10/2025 21:47

I think you both ran at this in desperation. The man is a stranger, you need to try to calm down next time, and so does he.

Bufftailed · 04/10/2025 21:55

I think he love bombed. Trust your gut, you knew something was off. He was trying to give you the idea he was v into you to get his way. Sorry

Bourneo · 04/10/2025 21:58

BunnyRuddington · 04/10/2025 14:55

Sounds like he’s been testing you all along to see where your boundaries are and now he’s punishing you when you’ve finally said no to him.

If you do relent and go back it will probably be one of the worst and most dangerous decisions you’ll ever make.

This! 💯 You've had a very, very lucky escape, please ruin far away from this man. Block on all apps.

Crystalspider · 04/10/2025 22:14

He’s a selfish and emotionally cold man, it does sound like he’s only out for himself, he sounds very desperate to have you there on demand for him, yet he’s not really bothered in learning about you or respecting you physically, no empathy for you being unwell because he doesn’t get anything from that.
so much wrong about him in such a short time, it was never going to work with him.
The ones that are too full on, usually burn out quickly.

Curledup14 · 05/10/2025 06:16

Thebigonesgetaway · 04/10/2025 21:47

I think you both ran at this in desperation. The man is a stranger, you need to try to calm down next time, and so does he.

I think there’s some truth in this.

LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 08:29

Thank you for the responses. I’m feeling a bit better. Annoyingly he left some of his stuff at my house so I will have to arrange he to get it back to him. I asked for a brief phone call yesterday as I just wanted to understand his thought process and he said he was busy but “let’s talk tomorrow.” Still shocked that he flipped like this. He seemed so into me. This has made me more cynical.

Someone asked me about the cake…. Yes it was an entire lemon drizzle cake. On date one I mentioned it was my favourite cake. He then presented me with said cake at the end of date 2 which was a meal at a restaurant. My friends all seemed to think this was very sweet and not a red flag so it’s interesting that the cake-bombing is viewed with suspicion on here. It did cross my mind that he could have put something weird in the cake. I can confirm that the man can bake well.

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DorothyStorm · 05/10/2025 08:33

Wtf? Dont let him walk all over you. If he wants his things he can come get them at a conviennent for you rime.

and wtf was a man you have only know 3.5 weeks doing at your house anyway?!?!!!

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 05/10/2025 08:41

Meet him in a public space. Do not allow yourself to be drawn into any emotional conversations. Keep it polite and brief.

TwistedWonder · 05/10/2025 08:41

Why on earth do you need to understand his thought process? It’s been a few weeks, I’ve had stuff in my fridge longer.

And as pp said why does he have stuff at yours after only a few weeks?

He has a million red flags but honestly you need to slow the fuck down. You don’t even know this man - it’s all too much too soon and your update is concerning that you can’t see that.

Pleasealexa · 05/10/2025 08:59

What strikes me is your need for a relationship and physical attention. I think it is blinding you to red flags.

Being held all night by someone you know really well is intimacy but it's not possible to recreate that closeness with someone who is a stranger. I think you are assuming a level of trust that can't exist in a new relationship and it puts you in harms way...emotionally in this case but potentially physically.

How recent was your long term relationship ending?

Thebigonesgetaway · 05/10/2025 09:01

LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 08:29

Thank you for the responses. I’m feeling a bit better. Annoyingly he left some of his stuff at my house so I will have to arrange he to get it back to him. I asked for a brief phone call yesterday as I just wanted to understand his thought process and he said he was busy but “let’s talk tomorrow.” Still shocked that he flipped like this. He seemed so into me. This has made me more cynical.

Someone asked me about the cake…. Yes it was an entire lemon drizzle cake. On date one I mentioned it was my favourite cake. He then presented me with said cake at the end of date 2 which was a meal at a restaurant. My friends all seemed to think this was very sweet and not a red flag so it’s interesting that the cake-bombing is viewed with suspicion on here. It did cross my mind that he could have put something weird in the cake. I can confirm that the man can bake well.

Ah yikes op, I think there is an underlying tone of you’re trying to stay with him, so you will let him behave like this. Two people both desperate are not going to have a healthy relationship.

TwistedWonder · 05/10/2025 09:02

Also OP you have kids. Thats the biggest reason why you shouldn’t be allowing a virtual stranger into your life and your home so soon.

It does seem your need for intimacy is blinding you so please take a step back and learn from this. You’re giving way too much headspace to a man you didn’t know on the august bank holiday weekend.

AhBiscuits · 05/10/2025 09:07

He sounds awful OP. At least you didn't waste too much time on him.
I can't believe he had a tantrum because you were ill.

LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 09:27

Pleasealexa · 05/10/2025 08:59

What strikes me is your need for a relationship and physical attention. I think it is blinding you to red flags.

Being held all night by someone you know really well is intimacy but it's not possible to recreate that closeness with someone who is a stranger. I think you are assuming a level of trust that can't exist in a new relationship and it puts you in harms way...emotionally in this case but potentially physically.

How recent was your long term relationship ending?

Yes of course I would love a healthy relationship and all that entails. I’ve been by myself a long time and it is natural to desire that stuff. I can see overlooked red flags.

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LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 09:28

TwistedWonder · 05/10/2025 09:02

Also OP you have kids. Thats the biggest reason why you shouldn’t be allowing a virtual stranger into your life and your home so soon.

It does seem your need for intimacy is blinding you so please take a step back and learn from this. You’re giving way too much headspace to a man you didn’t know on the august bank holiday weekend.

Edited

He never met my kids. I would never introduce someone to my children unless it was an established relationship. That goes without saying.

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LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 09:30

TwistedWonder · 05/10/2025 08:41

Why on earth do you need to understand his thought process? It’s been a few weeks, I’ve had stuff in my fridge longer.

And as pp said why does he have stuff at yours after only a few weeks?

He has a million red flags but honestly you need to slow the fuck down. You don’t even know this man - it’s all too much too soon and your update is concerning that you can’t see that.

I just want to understand how he could flip like that. I don’t know why. So I can avoid this in the future?

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softstone · 05/10/2025 09:39

Please don’t let him reel you back in OP. He will try, there is no doubt. Be strong!

Seaoftroubles · 05/10/2025 09:46

OP You won't understand his 'thought processes' because you won't hear the truth. It was manipulation. The fact you contacted him will be a clear signal that you are open to having him back which gives him tbe power to treat you badly again.
For your own sake put his stuff in a bag outside, text him to collect it when you are out and then block him. Sadly l doubt you will but if not, and you let him back into your life, then you can be guaranteed more poor treatment from him.

ForZanyAquaViewer · 05/10/2025 09:50

LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 09:30

I just want to understand how he could flip like that. I don’t know why. So I can avoid this in the future?

You were only together for 3.5 weeks. You were barely in a relationship. He’s a long list of red flags that you ignored and it hasn’t worked out. Dust yourself off, learn from it and move on.

You avoid it by being less eager to rush into false intimacy in future and paying more attention to red flags. These are not things that you will clarify by further engagement with him.

Chasing him for phone calls and hoping for ‘closure’ (I’m guessing), achieves nothing. It’s demeaning, you’re disrespecting yourself and making it very clear that you’re willing to accept pretty much anything. So, stop it. Parcel up his things and drop them off somewhere. Be done.

ForZanyAquaViewer · 05/10/2025 09:53

Seaoftroubles · 05/10/2025 09:46

OP You won't understand his 'thought processes' because you won't hear the truth. It was manipulation. The fact you contacted him will be a clear signal that you are open to having him back which gives him tbe power to treat you badly again.
For your own sake put his stuff in a bag outside, text him to collect it when you are out and then block him. Sadly l doubt you will but if not, and you let him back into your life, then you can be guaranteed more poor treatment from him.

It really does sound like he’ll apologise, say something meaningless about his ‘unprocessed trauma’ or similar and OP will be like ‘yay, I always believed in our love, those vipers on MN know nothing!’

Then she’ll be back in 12-18 months to tell us about her controlling, emotionally abusive, sexually coercive partner. And wondering how he could have switched because things started so well.

These threads make me so so sad. I hope I’m wrong.

unhappycat · 05/10/2025 10:01

I’m also navigating the dating scene after a couple of terrible relationships (and my marriage ending)

I have found, for the most part, the men I’ve met have fallen into one of two camps.

Non committal, player type who doesn’t want to commit but will keep you on standby whilst he is messaging/dating a number of other women.

Men who just want to be with someone, they will go all in at a rapid pace and it can feel like your head is spinning because they’re so attentive and keen. However, as you’ve noticed, they’re not that interested in YOU as a person… it’s just about them being with someone and they’ll mould you in their minds to what they want, irrespective of who you are as a person. It’s quite manipulative and controlling and this is the reason that he has flipped like this… because you’re not doing what you’re supposed to be doing (aka being on hand to cater to his every need and available to see him, being human and having other priorities/illness).

Thank goodness he’s shown you early on who he is, believe it. I’ll bet he’ll have a sob story about why he reacted like this, something along the lines of he thought you were making excuses and were pulling away from him. It’ll be bullshit, it’s because you dared to deviate from the plan that he wanted.

TwistedWonder · 05/10/2025 10:05

LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 09:28

He never met my kids. I would never introduce someone to my children unless it was an established relationship. That goes without saying.

He’s not met your kids but sure ash there’s stuff of his in their home after you’ve known him a few days. And you’re wasting time and energy twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to understand a man who is a relative stranger.

You had a fling and it didn’t work out - don’t agonise over it. Just learn not to rush in wearing rose tinted doves that hide the glaring red flags

And as is often recommended on here, look at the freedom programme. It’s not just for victims of abuse, it’s useful for anyone after a long time out of the dating world

Curledup14 · 05/10/2025 10:09

LastsliceofBattenberg · 05/10/2025 09:30

I just want to understand how he could flip like that. I don’t know why. So I can avoid this in the future?

Oh goodness op

he is clearly profoundly unpleasant
but really… I think your focus needs to be on you because this level of navel gazing about a 3.5 week relationship is concerning

BauhausOfEliott · 05/10/2025 10:10

He sounds way too intense and waved a thousand red flags, so yes, he’s awful.

However, setting that aside - you invested way too much in a man you’ve known for less than four weeks and I think you are going to need to understand that nobody owes you a relationship just because you had a few nice dates with them. This man is a barely more than a stranger, and I think you either need to adjust your expectations of what a couple of weeks dating and a shag actually mean, or you need to be a lot more cautious. You went from 0 - 60 pretty quickly here.

NorthernGirl1975 · 05/10/2025 10:11

@ForZanyAquaViewer You're correct. I met a man exactly like this. Mini break after 3.5 weeks, forgot his card, didn't have a banking app, muggins ended up footing the bill. He turned into a nasty narcissistic abuser.