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Feel stupid after sex on 4th date

253 replies

Popthetop5 · 03/09/2025 00:14

Was hoping I'd found a potential relationship as its been great. Flowers etc.

Slept together twice now. He does little foreplay before penetrative sex. He doesn't last long enough to try finish before him. We had a few drinks tonight and I had the confidence to ask him to do more foreplay on me as he barely tried before piv. He gave me oral for about ten mins and then complained of jaw ache and the moment being gone. He told me women usually cum fast,

I felt mortified and sad because I was confident tonight and thought we were getting into it
I feel humiliated any advice. We were at it for about 20 minutes a variety of things. Help

OP posts:
GentleJadeOP · 04/09/2025 19:14

Gymbunny2025 · 03/09/2025 13:19

Totally agree. If a guy tells you he’s good in bed- he’s not. Same as if a guy tells you he’s ’a nice guy’ or ‘a gentleman’. Assume the opposite!

I was with a bloke for a long time and usually faked it with him. He sat there smug one day and told me ‘I’m quite a catch really aren’t I’ He had a well paid job and assumed he was good in bed because I faked it!

Perfect28 · 04/09/2025 19:26

Women famously do not come quickly
Play him the song 'slow hand' and explain some pretty simple biology. If he still doesn't get it, go.

Mugsey62 · 29/10/2025 01:48

Popthetop5 · 03/09/2025 00:14

Was hoping I'd found a potential relationship as its been great. Flowers etc.

Slept together twice now. He does little foreplay before penetrative sex. He doesn't last long enough to try finish before him. We had a few drinks tonight and I had the confidence to ask him to do more foreplay on me as he barely tried before piv. He gave me oral for about ten mins and then complained of jaw ache and the moment being gone. He told me women usually cum fast,

I felt mortified and sad because I was confident tonight and thought we were getting into it
I feel humiliated any advice. We were at it for about 20 minutes a variety of things. Help

The famous jaw ache eh 😆. I don't think you gave your age but tbh 20 minutes seems very rushed.

But at the end of the day. Sex isn't perfect every time for everyone. Sometimes it's a catastrophe at the start and then gets better as you get to know someone. So it may be worth perservering with this guy. Especially if you have something other than sex you like about him. But at the end of the day, sex works best when everyone takes an interest in what the other participants want. He should have listened to you really. Some men need training up. You haven't done anything wrong. You told him what you wanted. Doesn't matter what any other person he has slept with wanted. Good for you showing some confidence!

Besttobe8001 · 29/10/2025 01:54

Mugsey62 · 29/10/2025 01:48

The famous jaw ache eh 😆. I don't think you gave your age but tbh 20 minutes seems very rushed.

But at the end of the day. Sex isn't perfect every time for everyone. Sometimes it's a catastrophe at the start and then gets better as you get to know someone. So it may be worth perservering with this guy. Especially if you have something other than sex you like about him. But at the end of the day, sex works best when everyone takes an interest in what the other participants want. He should have listened to you really. Some men need training up. You haven't done anything wrong. You told him what you wanted. Doesn't matter what any other person he has slept with wanted. Good for you showing some confidence!

Edited

I agree with you. That said training up only works if have someone generous and enthusiastic.

OP I dropped someone because he was like "I've done xyz and you haven't even done xyz" like there was a scorechart.

That's just not the energy I'm looking for, I want someone who's happy and excited to be there with me!

Mugsey62 · 29/10/2025 02:24

Besttobe8001 · 29/10/2025 01:54

I agree with you. That said training up only works if have someone generous and enthusiastic.

OP I dropped someone because he was like "I've done xyz and you haven't even done xyz" like there was a scorechart.

That's just not the energy I'm looking for, I want someone who's happy and excited to be there with me!

Mmm...I think all men could do with a bit of training up tbh! Even the considerate ones.

But I totally agree with you. Sex is best when it's fun with someone you have a connection with. Someone you feel you can communicate with. Even if it's only a one night stand you still need to feel that you aren't being judged, and that they would respond with a smile at requests to move a bit to the left, or a bit slower etc.

chickenlettuceunderbacon · 29/10/2025 03:38

TKFrauling · 03/09/2025 11:02

I might get lambasted for this: I think that women can choose to sleep with someone whenever they want - on a first, second, third or whatever date. But I think if you are after something long term it is probably best to develop a bit of a relationship first. If you get to know someone quite well then sex is easier to navigate as you have a shared intimate language and are less shy about making your desires clear and finding the way together, also you might both be more invested in caring for each other sexually. I hope I am making sense. This is the advice I think I would give myself if I was younger. I so often thought that sex was part of getting to know someone and yet sex was often unsatisfying because ultimately we didn't know each other that well (and a few of my sexual partners were really selfish).

Am very conflicted about this. On one hand, I do understand what you are saying particularly with regards to establishing the relationship first as it can make navigating sex easier. However, sex is also a good way to filter people out - many show their true colours, their likes and dislikes pretty much as soon as their clothes come off.

Oral sex is pretty basic and a huge part of foreplay. Admittedly, it doesn't do it for some, and for others, it's not their thing in terms of giving and/or receiving. In my experience, men who tend shy away from oral sex on a woman do so because they do not enjoy it, and can often be squeamish about women's bodies, scents, bodily function, and intimacy in general. Most pertinently, oral sex (on a woman) is something that isn't going to happen going forward. Yet, often, these men always expect copious amounts of fellatio on them. For me, I would far know what a man is like in bed early on, more so in terms of his interest in my sexual pleasure. Some men simply don't care about women's pleasure. Again, a lack of interest or perfunctory oral for a number of minutes is indicative of this.

Sex is a pretty basic form of communication and expressing desire for someone. It's a connecting and bonding experience. If two people can't communicate about their needs and desire, then they probably shouldn't sexually intimate in the first place.

OP, you have nothing to feel or be humiliated about it. This man is the one who has humiliated himself, not only in his selfishness, but his lack of understanding anything about women, be it their bodies and sexuality. Hoe also tried (and succeeded) in making you feel bad at your failure to achieve an orgasm when that is totally on him. Telling you that other women haven't had an issue is designed to make you feel bad and a failure, whereas it is the opposite. You know this, am sure. Getting to know a new person sexually is tricky and takes time, not to mention a willingness to learn about someone else's body - everyone is different. He's shown zero interest in you, your body, your sexual desires. He's shown you who he is. It's up to you to take heed of this.

Mugsey62 · 29/10/2025 03:42

Popthetop5 · 03/09/2025 05:39

So we were kissing and he removed some of my clothes for about 5 or so minutes. Went through to room. He went down on me for 2 minutes then wanted piv. After a few mins I switched position but realistically new it wasn't enough stimulation for me. So I said can you play with me for abit. I did give him a little oral but when he gave me it the position didn't allow me to do things to him.

I was very close when he stopped, he then said the moment was gone and he felt shit. He had no interest in getting himself hard again I could tell. I've never experienced a man being all about speed.

I thought it was fun to mix it up abit not just piv. He's also quite small compared to my past.

I don't know what he did for his ex because he's not very attentive.

Am I pretty normal or do most women finish in 10 minutes with a newish lover. He seemed insecure over me touching myself to he asked if hes not enough.

If he was younger it may have been inexperience. But you say he's 40 didn't you? He should know the ropes by now.

Mugsey62 · 29/10/2025 03:49

Popthetop5 · 03/09/2025 07:22

He's attractive i said attentive i think.

I thought we were having good sex until he acted like that. Thats the funny part i thought this is better than the first two times.

Yes flowers and early dates are effort more than declarations.

He's also battling an ex over a child thats not his that he's trying to see still. She was all for it but now she knows we talk she's got mean.

I think going back to lonely is my only choice. Lol.

No relationship is a million times better than a shit relationship. A relationship where you can't be yourself is the lonliest place in earth.

I know what you mean though so good luck with it all. Hope you find someone worthy of you.

AutumnCosy2025 · 29/10/2025 04:15

womendeserveprivacy · 03/09/2025 06:26

Not for religious reasons but ditch him and don't do it again unless it's your honeymoon and there's no prenup (unless you're loaded.) And only after you know he's trustworthy and doesn't have any std's you don't want. Otherwise you may find years of your life wasted on dumb fake relationships you thought sex would make real.

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yeah. No thanks.

EDIT; oops didn't realise the thread was a bit kid!

WiddlinDiddlin · 29/10/2025 04:16

Nah, chuck it back - if he's not getting turned on by getting you turned on, getting you to orgasm, then he is never going to be an attentive partner in bed. He is selfish, its all about him, and he hasn't a clue what good sex is actually like, as far as he is concerned the whole thing is about PiV and nothing more.

Mothership4two · 29/10/2025 04:19

Muffinmam · 03/09/2025 12:42

Yes. How much time do you need?

20 minutes is a lot.

That would be a "quickie" in this house and we are old farts

pinkfondu · 29/10/2025 04:26

He could just be selfish or he could be feeling very insecure which he is projecting outwards, or just could have some issue which is why he needs to do it quick whikst he’s hard.

None of the above should result in comments that make you feel bad.

FeistyFrankie · 29/10/2025 04:36

Popthetop5 · 03/09/2025 00:29

It's like he had no interest in getting back into it after oral. He was just like the moments hone I've done that for ages whilst nothings been done to me.

He sounds awful, OP. Please don't blame yourself. He doesn't know how to please a woman, made a reluctant, half-hearted attempt (which of course didn't have the desired outcome), and when his fragile ego took a hit, he turned it back on you. Men who are selfish in bed don't magically become better lovers simply because you plucked up the courage to voice your needs.

A good man will make you feel comfortable, turned on, and will actually ENJOY making sure you're having a good time!

He's shown you he isnt capable of meaningful, mutually fulfilling sexual intimacy that works for both of you - not just him.

Dump him. Much better sex awaits you, I promise.

Mugsey62 · 29/10/2025 04:59

Mothership4two · 29/10/2025 04:19

That would be a "quickie" in this house and we are old farts

I also am an old fart and 20 minutes seems very rushed.

GelfBride · 29/10/2025 05:19

Popthetop5 · 03/09/2025 00:29

It's like he had no interest in getting back into it after oral. He was just like the moments hone I've done that for ages whilst nothings been done to me.

Nail on head. It's got to be all about him.

GelfBride · 29/10/2025 05:32

Rezguli · 03/09/2025 10:26

My mind is certainly not warped. Thanks for yr reply and God bless you as He has blessed me.

That's great for you but if you marry a loser like this without having had sex and they are shit in bed for the rest of their lives, you are stuck married to a selfish dickhead.

Try before you buy - always.

Gruffporcupine · 29/10/2025 05:33

This will only get worse. Get rid

CuddlyPug · 29/10/2025 05:35

Tell him that you never had any problems before though to be fair they all had had bigger penises and could go at it for simply hours rather than being Mr Floppy in a flash. This is exactly what he meant you to feel - as being lacking in some respect - so I'd be returning the favour. Then block him for ever. The more dignified approach is just blocking him without any further contact. I giggle though at the number of women who must have faked it for him to think he was "good in bed." I mean who announces that to people.

Gremlins101 · 29/10/2025 05:39

Popthetop5 · 03/09/2025 00:36

We are 36 and 40 with kids. It's not a lack of experience my ex made me get there everytime. Because I have had a drink I was more confident which made me think we were experimenting and doing lots of different stuff, I wasn't expecting this

I think you've answered your own question there. This guy can't make the effort. Other men can. Its a shame if he's nice but sex is very important.

Also "most women come quickly" is just a nuts statement.

Heroyamslava · 29/10/2025 05:46

Popthetop5 · 03/09/2025 00:21

What from kissing foreplay then sex

As a lot of above posters have pointed out ... TWENTY MINUTES IS A LOT : unless you are under 30 and have NO stress , insomnia , overwork , children , 90-year old parent , illnesses etc etc etc .. . . . .yes - the duration and frequency of Brits doing sex is massively exaggerated and hyped in our culture ,,, I expect that if you averaged out time spent in intimate sexual activity ... AVERAGE for a Brit will be something like 40 minutes per year . . . . . . . And you are one of the lucky few to get at least something !!!...

drhf · 29/10/2025 05:52

Zombie thread alert! 💀

But @Popthetop5 come back and tell us if you dumped this loser.

Twiglets1 · 29/10/2025 05:52

You seem normal ( whatever that is but I can relate to everything you say). He seems selfish & insecure in bed.

It’s a shame but at least you know now.

Guavafish1 · 29/10/2025 05:55

Not sexually compatible

ChampagneLassie · 29/10/2025 05:56

He sounds selfish and insecure and the comment about other women is ridiculous. You deserve better. Dump him

NautilusLionfish · 29/10/2025 06:00

@Popthetop5 Think about how it sounds if you flip what he said: other men have made me come faster. Other men have gotten harder. Other men have lasted longer. It all sounds mean does it? More so when said in the moment. You will likely always hear those words during sex or when there is a glitch during sex. Today is Wednesday and it's bin day. Bin him