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Mine and bf's differing views on progression

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brightandbeautiful89 · 18/08/2025 10:41

Hi everyone, I could do with some gentle words of advice. I am feeling very fragile and can't speak to my friends about this - they are all settled down and I am embarrassed that I continue to have relationship problems; it's the story of my adult life.

I'm 35 and started dating my bf who is 40 8 months ago, we had the exclusivity talk 5 months ago although I don't think either of us had been seeing anyone else. We spend weekends and one weeknight together and have been on holiday together for 4 days.

He has a difficult home situation - his mum became disabled following an accident nearly two years ago. She has no use of her left leg/foot or left hand and has speech difficulties. When this happened, he rented out his house so he could move in with her to support her. This was meant to be a short term thing but has continued - he does not want it to be like this indefinitely and she is better than she was but he feels a lot of responsibility towards her - she is vulnerable and needs his help. I respect him a lot for this but it does take its toll on him. He has a sister who is entirely unsupportive and his parents are divorced so it all falls to him.

He has also never really had a serious relationship. He was with someone for 2 years in his twenties but then went travelling and since then had had short burst of 'seeing people' - 3-6 months but nothing longer than that. He says he does want to settle down but he is also ambivalent towards it and sees it as a big thing. He is very cautious in all areas of life.

I haven't met his friends - they are mostly single and don't appear to take an interest in his love life although they know about me. He is coming to a friend's party with me next month and is happy to socialise with my friends.

This weekend I asked if we might meet each other's families soon and he said 'all in good time' - I asked what he meant as I feel 8 months is reasonable to meet family and he said he has never introduced a girl to his mum and that he would do it once we'd been together for a year but probably not before because he knows she wants him to settle down and wouldn't want to get her hopes up if it didn't work out - he said he didn't think it wouldn't work out between us but that a relationship of a year feels more established. I didn't really understand this and he said he feels it would be a big step - this isn't the case for my family, I have introduced bfs to them pretty early. He said he'd be happy to meet them. I said he must know it's normal to introduce your girlfriend/boyfriend to your parents and gave the example of his sister and her husband and he said she actually waited ages to introduce him to his mum and that he doesn't really know him - they don't seem to integrate too much. Is this just a different family dynamics thing?

I also touched on his fears of commitment. He said he is not afraid per se but it is a big thing for him - he worries about letting the other person down and does see it as quite 'final'. I said I was worried that we are not on the same page in terms of what we want out of life (I want a family and am 35 - I have expressed this to him) and he said that we are and that he does want to settle down and is coming around to the idea of it with me but that whilst 90% of my brain can be focused on the relationship and progression a lot of his brain is consumed with his mum.

I feel very torn. On one hand we are making progress and I can see that he is trying - we are spending more time together, he is being more verbally expressive, he shares what's going on for him emotionally re his mum, he brought flowers over at the weekend (the first time he has done this), we are having more sex (his sex drive has been low at times because of his preoccupation with his mum but since I mentioned I have a higher sex drive he has made a big effort). He is not future faking at least! When I am with him I have such a nice time - he makes me laugh, we have interesting conversations etc. But I worry it will go nowhere due to his mum's situation, his inexperience and his fears of commitment.

Equally, anyone who has been OLD around my age over the last couple of years will know how hopeless it is. I could end this and get with someone else who is even more of a commitment-phobe - many of the guys on the apps appear to be, at least in my experience and from anecdotes I have heard from others. Of course bf's mum will always have to be a priority and I accept that. Other guys this age could have kids who would be a priority so the grass isn't necessarily greener. I feel terrified I am wasting my time but I also don't want to end something that could have potential if I am patient (patience is not my strong point).

I imagine many of you will tell me to leave. It is easy to say when it's not your life though. At least if I stay with him I have a tiny bit of hope of it moving forward and becoming something. If I leave there are no guarantees I will find anyone who wants to commit - in all my years of dating and relationships I never have and I don't understand why as I consider myself a nice person and good girlfriend. I am deep into the panic years - if I was in my 20s I could enjoy the relationship for what it is but the pressure of the biological clock is basically ruining everything.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 18/08/2025 11:48

My BIL lives with his mother and not one of his many and or previous girlfriends have managed to get him out of her house. He’s there because it’s cushy and she welcomed him back with open arms. His current lady love has a really low bar as you do. They think some magical combo of words will have him out of there!.

BuddhaAtSea · 18/08/2025 11:49

I married my exH when he turned 40. He was stuck in his way and me saying: fine, I’ll leave, it’s not a problem I can solve here, made him pull his shit together and we got married.
We had a DD and he got worse, even though we we’re married, had a kid, he was still single in his head, we were never a priority, his happiness trumped everything and everyone. He used his mum as an excuse for maintaining his preferred status quo, we couldn’t move, couldn’t do this that or the other because of his mum. I genuinely don’t think his mum was more than an excuse, and she went along with him so she doesn’t upset him.
My opinion: it’ll never get better.
Have you ever heard of the sunken cost fallacy? Look it up, you’re dealing with one.

DiscoBob · 18/08/2025 11:52

He's not suddenly going to want kids. You don't have enough time to wait around really. Unless your relationship with him is more important than having children?

It sounds like his mum needs carers. He shouldn't be having to do it all himself. But he won't listen to you about that as he won't even let you meet her. So it feels like in a way he is using her as an excuse.

If he really wanted commitment and kids he'd make it work around his care towards his mum. Lots of people do both. Usually with paid help in an ideal world.

HundredMilesAnHour · 18/08/2025 11:52

I think you’re probably wasting your time with him. You clearly want to settle down, have kids, asap etc which is understandable at 35. However, that’s not (and never been) a priority for him and he obviously has a lot to deal with given his mum. If you were 25 you could carry on and just see what happens. But at 35 the clock is ticking and I doubt pushing him will make any difference other than to worsen your relationship. Either accept him for who he is or end things and look for someone who wants the same things as you on the same timeline.

The pushing to meet his mother after 8 months would annoy me if I was him. You think it’s a big deal and some sort of ‘next step’ or sign of commitment but not everyone feels the same way. Some of us just do the introduction when we feel the time is right and nagging about it is just pushy and irritating.

brightandbeautiful89 · 18/08/2025 11:52

@Mrsttcno1yeah I realise the bar is low - sadly this is the best relationship I have been in. I mentioned him making time for me because it’s not as easy for him to do this as it might be for others. He prioritises seeing me over friends/his dad/having downtime. I suppose I only have his word for what he has said he has told his mum about me but she knows he spends all weekend and Wednesday evenings with someone and that he went on holiday with someone at least. I would have thought he wouldn’t stay with me if we weren’t on the same page because I don’t always make it easy for him eg having these conversations and making these demands.

@Topjoe19he ssid he sees it as a big milestone. He seems protective of her in some ways. I did say how that made me feel. I don’t think he is ready to move out - leaving her for our holiday was a step forward for him.

@AttilaTheMeerkathe doesn’t want or need her property, he has a £700k house of his own. My parents never spoke about their feelings and my dad had an affair so I am hoping not to repeat their mistakes by communicating clearly what I want.

@QPZMim not available on tap for him. He does have to change some things - not being around for his mum at the weekends, making the effort to travel to see me all the time. The other week he said how he hadn’t seen his dad in a while because he used to see him at weekends but now he’s with me then. I still think he would be honest with me about not wanting the same things because it’s not going to go away and I will keep raising it.

@Mrsttcno1that would be an extremely cruel thing to do and he doesn’t strike me as a cruel person?

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brightandbeautiful89 · 18/08/2025 11:52

@Mrsttcno1yeah I realise the bar is low - sadly this is the best relationship I have been in. I mentioned him making time for me because it’s not as easy for him to do this as it might be for others. He prioritises seeing me over friends/his dad/having downtime. I suppose I only have his word for what he has said he has told his mum about me but she knows he spends all weekend and Wednesday evenings with someone and that he went on holiday with someone at least. I would have thought he wouldn’t stay with me if we weren’t on the same page because I don’t always make it easy for him eg having these conversations and making these demands.

@Topjoe19he ssid he sees it as a big milestone. He seems protective of her in some ways. I did say how that made me feel. I don’t think he is ready to move out - leaving her for our holiday was a step forward for him.

@AttilaTheMeerkathe doesn’t want or need her property, he has a £700k house of his own. My parents never spoke about their feelings and my dad had an affair so I am hoping not to repeat their mistakes by communicating clearly what I want.

@QPZMim not available on tap for him. He does have to change some things - not being around for his mum at the weekends, making the effort to travel to see me all the time. The other week he said how he hadn’t seen his dad in a while because he used to see him at weekends but now he’s with me then. I still think he would be honest with me about not wanting the same things because it’s not going to go away and I will keep raising it.

@Mrsttcno1that would be an extremely cruel thing to do and he doesn’t strike me as a cruel person?

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Topjoe19 · 18/08/2025 11:55

@brightandbeautiful89 what did he say when you told him how you feel? I met my now DHs family within the first month of us dating. It's really not a big deal/milestone if you are serious about that person.

Topjoe19 · 18/08/2025 11:57

Ps for all you know, maybe his mum is desperate for him to move out & he is the one who doesn't want to!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 18/08/2025 11:57

If this is the best relationship you’ve ever been in you need therapy to unlearn the crap you’ve picked up about relationships. Now he’s using his dad as an excuse, there is always something or someone. He cannot and equally will not give you the family life you so crave.

Mrsttcno1 · 18/08/2025 12:00

Stop believing his words and start believing his actions OP, his words aren’t worth a single thing, his actions tell you his actual intentions.

He’s made no moves to move out, hasn’t even introduced you to his family- he’s not planning a future with you. You’re thinking about babies while he’s thinking about his mum. Not only are you not building a family or life together, he’s actually not even allowing you to be a part of the family he already has.

The proof is in the actions- he hasn’t done anything.

As I say, you have a choice to make and not much time to make it in. Every day you waste with him is one day closer to babies being off the table completely for you OP. At least single you could find someone to give you that, with him you’ll be the hidden girlfriend for years until it is too late.

QPZM · 18/08/2025 12:01

brightandbeautiful89 · 18/08/2025 11:52

@Mrsttcno1yeah I realise the bar is low - sadly this is the best relationship I have been in. I mentioned him making time for me because it’s not as easy for him to do this as it might be for others. He prioritises seeing me over friends/his dad/having downtime. I suppose I only have his word for what he has said he has told his mum about me but she knows he spends all weekend and Wednesday evenings with someone and that he went on holiday with someone at least. I would have thought he wouldn’t stay with me if we weren’t on the same page because I don’t always make it easy for him eg having these conversations and making these demands.

@Topjoe19he ssid he sees it as a big milestone. He seems protective of her in some ways. I did say how that made me feel. I don’t think he is ready to move out - leaving her for our holiday was a step forward for him.

@AttilaTheMeerkathe doesn’t want or need her property, he has a £700k house of his own. My parents never spoke about their feelings and my dad had an affair so I am hoping not to repeat their mistakes by communicating clearly what I want.

@QPZMim not available on tap for him. He does have to change some things - not being around for his mum at the weekends, making the effort to travel to see me all the time. The other week he said how he hadn’t seen his dad in a while because he used to see him at weekends but now he’s with me then. I still think he would be honest with me about not wanting the same things because it’s not going to go away and I will keep raising it.

@Mrsttcno1that would be an extremely cruel thing to do and he doesn’t strike me as a cruel person?

im not available on tap for him. He does have to change some things - not being around for his mum at the weekends, making the effort to travel to see me all the time. The other week he said how he hadn’t seen his dad in a while because he used to see him at weekends but now he’s with me then. I still think he would be honest with me about not wanting the same things because it’s not going to go away and I will keep raising it.

He has you at weekends and one week night which is probably all he wants 🤷‍♂️

brightandbeautiful89 · 18/08/2025 12:04

@Eversincehe might do the food shopping or take her to the podiatrist on a Saturday morning but we spend the rest of the time together. She has a sort of boyfriend who is mostly useless but he sometimes takes her out on a Sunday otherwise she just relies on the carers.

@AttilaTheMeerkatit’s not that he’s never moved out or that he’s there because it’s cushy - it would be cushier for him if he moved out. But I appreciate that the longer he stays there the harder it will be for him to leave.

@BuddhaAtSeawhat was wrong with your ex’s mum?

@DiscoBob yes it’s kind of my view that he would make it work if he wanted to. But for someone who is inexperienced and slow and cautious does he just beee more time? I have told him that I have wasted time in relationships that are going nowhere before and don’t want to do that again.

@HundredMilesAnHourI know what you’re saying and a small part of me agrees that I should leave. The problem is that it isn’t easy to find someone you click with (god knows I’ve been on enough dates!) nor find someone who wants the same things as me - so many men on the apps aren’t sure what they’re looking for/want casual/say they are looking for a LTR when actually they just want a shag. And I have seen slow progress - we used to only spend weekend evenings together but the time we spend has built up, he is integrating into my world, he is able to talk about how he feels about me (not a thing before), he is so supportive and encouraging if I’ve had a bad day etc. he says he’s focused on the here and now and building the relationship between us as opposed to parental introductions - I see this as part of building the relationship but he doesn’t. if there were no signs of progress I think I’d find it easier to cut him loose but because we have made small steps forward I am clinging onto hope that that can continue

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Jasnah · 18/08/2025 12:07

In my experience, a man who really wants you cannot wait to show you off - to his friends, his family, his colleagues or anyone else who will listen.

A man who wants you makes an effort, actively plans a future with you and then follows through - and usually doesn't waste time.

I've been in your situation, OP, and it will never change. The question is whether you're happy to have to beg for crumbs or whether you'd rather try and find someone who freely gives all that to you.

Ukholidaysaregreat · 18/08/2025 12:10

If you really want children I would look into having them alone. Easier than having them with a non helpful partner where you have to look after them and the baby. I think this could be the solution for many people.

Boreded · 18/08/2025 12:10

Every weekend and Wednesday evenings…it sounds more like a custody agreement. Are you sure there isn’t an ex and a child?

or even a family he really lives with and you are the ‘friend’ he tells his wife he is hanging with.

if his ‘mum’ needs him that much then she would need him on weekends too.

it all feels like a lie

brightandbeautiful89 · 18/08/2025 12:13

@Jasnahit’s not really like that in his friendship circles - he has only ever met his friend’s wife because she’s at the house when he visits. They don’t seem to introduce girlfriends and for some reason he sees the introduction to his mum as being a big deal.

my ex introduced me to family and friends early on and still wouldn’t commit 🙃

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brightandbeautiful89 · 18/08/2025 12:14

@BorededI don’t think so - I picked him up from his mum’s house in the early days and there’s a disabled parking space outside. He’s open with his WhatsApps and there doesn’t seem to be a baby mum on there

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brightandbeautiful89 · 18/08/2025 12:15

@Ukholidaysaregreatunfortunately what I would really like is the family unit but at this age the apps are full of men who have kids and don’t want more, are commitment phobes or who have just got divorced and only want to have fun.

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QPZM · 18/08/2025 12:16

brightandbeautiful89 · 18/08/2025 12:14

@BorededI don’t think so - I picked him up from his mum’s house in the early days and there’s a disabled parking space outside. He’s open with his WhatsApps and there doesn’t seem to be a baby mum on there

Look, for all you know the space could be for his disabled wife.

The longer you swallow his bullshit reasons for never introducing you to anyone who knows him, the longer you risk being taken for an absolute fool.

BrassOlive · 18/08/2025 12:17

I have some caring responsibilities and it can be difficult juggling these with a relationship - so I have some sympathy for this guy. His committment to his Mum is admirable.

That said, he sounds quite young and inexperienced (at relationships) for his age meaning it could be years before he's ready to make the commitment you're hoping for.

I would have a very clear and direct conversation with him about the timeline you're working to (I want us to be living together in X number of months, married by X and trying for children no later than X). Give him the choice to either take it or leave it.

Thistooshallpass. · 18/08/2025 12:17

Admirable that he is looking after his mum .
But .. in any normal parent / child dynamic both would be saying that this is not a long term solution and that both need independence in their lives .
The fact that you can’t meet her , he’s never had a long term relationship at 40 are all saying he will never want anything more than a casual relationship. It suits him to hide behind this commitment to his mum .
If marriage and children are what you want move on as quickly as possible.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 18/08/2025 12:18

His friends are all single ?
single or divorced.
as I would guess his friends are in his age range ?

to me that says it all.

Topjoe19 · 18/08/2025 12:18

Do you honestly, deep down, see this working out? Do you see him prioritising you plus a potential baby/children over his mum? I just don't see it sorry.

He had a chance to progress things when you asked to meet his family. Instead he's pushed it down the line for a daft reason.

gamerchick · 18/08/2025 12:19

Tbh he's not doing anything wrong. His head is full. If it's babies you're after and time isn't really on your side. It's not going to happen with him any time soon.

However you know fuck all about him really. Just what he's told you. You don't know if anything he's saying is the truth.

mondaytosunday · 18/08/2025 12:23

Woman you are accepting crumbs. You are making so many excuses for this guy. He’s not being any sort of hero seeing you on weekends instead of his dad or mates - he could see his dad/mates
if he included you!
I wasted nine months on a guy who I thought was well aware of what I wanted out of the relationship. I was 38 (he was 51) and made it clear I wanted to settle down and start a family. He was living n a housing association flat (so cheap rent) and was an only child but his parents lived far away. He had a young son (who I did meet quite early on). We spent most weekends together, went on holiday etc. But. I have to honestly say that I never felt confident enough of his feelings to call him my boyfriend. We could talk all night but I felt that I was just something for him to do. Finally I broached the subject and he said he just didn’t see us as a long term thing. I asked him just how long was he going to string me along? He just said he was weak. I was ultimately a fun distraction but nothing more.
I met my DH a year later. We were engaged within six weeks. For once I felt now THIS is how it’s supposed to be. A very busy man (head of a large firm with lots of travel, two children) but I was his priority and he made sure I knew that. We saw each other less than I did when with my ex, but I was in no doubt about his intentions and we moved in together after a few months and were married six months later.
I don’t see you talk about this guy like you love him, more like he’s the last hope. You can’t really say what his good qualities are other than he’s devoted to his mother. Which is great but shouldn’t be at the expense of his own life. I think he will be waiting not for a year to pass but for her to die before he can move on.
Believing that this is your only chance is terrible - I’d much rather be alone than with someone who cannot prioritise me and our relationship. He can get more carers in to help his mother - he can afford it. It’s an excuse not to get serious with you - he’s not that committed and you deserve better.