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Something isn't right - emotional affair or just friends?

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FourAndFive · 14/08/2025 17:23

Name changed for this. It's a bit of a blur, and long, apologies in advance.

I need help and/or a slap to either wake me up to an emotional affair and huge gaslighting from my DH (47), or to help me deal with a shiny new friendship my DH of 24 years has.

He's hidden a friendship from me that has been going on for nearly a year. He has never, ever done this before, and has been a completely open book in all our years together. The last five years have been so good for us emotionally, and our relationship felt solid as far as I was concerned.

He has a hobby that he is obsessed (not lightheartedly obsessed, genuinely obsessed) with, and while doing this hobby he meets people from time to time. He would usually mention these people in passing, and I'm happy he's happy, so all good. About 6-7 weeks ago, he started to mention at funny times how he was meeting 'great people', and 'so many people to chat to' and 'I know so many people now' while he's doing his hobby and I thought yeah, great, but it was out of tone, and quite odd.

Fast forward a week or so, and he keeps name dropping and then tells me that I have to meet someone (single F28), because I'd really like her, and she does the hobby a bit more than he does, and has done it all over the world and how nice she is etc. and so I found myself meeting her for a few hours across two days, alongside some of her family members, who all knew about my DH and the shared hobby and thought how sweet it was... It was so very odd, and I couldn't put my finger on why, and I was so uncomfortable.

To cut a very long story short, it turns out they've been regularly meeting up since late last year, texting multiple times a day, including gifts and planning things around their hobby... I've since seen most of their messages. I have never seen my DH speak to anyone like he speaks to her (except me). He is a man who I know has strong moral boundaries, and keeps a safe distance from other women, doesn't encourage and is completely platonic with all of his female friends - which is clearly no longer the case! There is no 'sex' chat, and he talks about us occasionally (we have 2DC) but it's overly affectionate/mutual appreciation and excitement for finding each other - and I've hated reading them. (I asked him for phone access after all the minimising he was doing, and he said he'd deleted all messages - but he forgot to remove them from his deleted items, so I restored them. I know this is a massive red flag.)

I've told him that I need him to cut all contact with her - but he had serious meltdown (talk of CS), insists it's just friends and that I should trust him. I am finding this impossible, considering the lengths he's taken to hide her until recently. He hasn't done anything to reduce contact, and has even initiated meeting her multiple times, even though I specifically asked him not to. I know they met today for the hobby, and I know they've text each other, because he is telling me - at my request. But I shouldn't worry, because he loves me blah blah. I just want a bit of respite from it so I can get my head around his utterly bizarre behaviour, and consider everything that's happened. It's so unlike him.

I feel sick. The trust isn't there. I feel anxious all the time. I know what I should be doing, but I don't want him to be unhappy at the same time - especially if it is actually platonic. Thoughts please wise MN women! How do I navigate this shit show?

OP posts:
HotHotHome · 14/08/2025 21:27

Understand the cruelty of it.

Do not play the pick me dance, you have given him chances, now you must retreat and get your house in order.
This man is swiftly becoming your enemy .

Do nothing more for him, nothing.

washinwashoutrepeat · 14/08/2025 21:44

Did he threaten CS because you asked him to end this friendship or because you were questioning your marriage?

either way… 🚩

NoSoupForU · 14/08/2025 21:49

I can understand how someone can be swept along with the excitement of a new friendship, and perhaps the attention or validation builds steadily.

But to want to prioritise said friendship over your marriage of 24 years is outrageous. He's a shit.

Climbingrosexx · 14/08/2025 22:07

You need to give him an ultimatum and be prepared to walk away if you have to and I don't say that lightly. I have been in a very similar situation and it didn't end well sorry! My ex didn't threaten suicide but he certainly kicked off when I said we needed this woman out of our lives as this would destroy us if we were not careful. Little did I know there was nothing left to salvage. Maybe an ultimatum will be the short sharp shock he needs. I hope you find a way forward with or without him.

FairyMaclary · 14/08/2025 22:11

Im sorry op this is an EA (at a minimum). The book ‘Not Just Friends’ by Shirley Glass, will help you articulate how you feel. You can read it in an hour or two (then reread).

TheSlantedOwl · 14/08/2025 22:16

So he threatened suicide if he wasn’t able to see her? That clearly identifies her as his reason for living (as well as a horribly manipulative attack on you emotionally).

So sorry OP.

KawasakiBabe · 14/08/2025 22:18

I truly believe men and women can be friends, but I also believe boundaries have to be rigorously held. It sounds like this isn’t the case with your DH and this other woman. You need to have a serious conversation with him about consequences around what will happen if he continues, if it isn’t too late already.

PInkyStarfish · 14/08/2025 22:18

He’s besotted with her but that doesn’t necessarily mean she feels the same about him or that they have ever had any romantic overtures when they meet or any sexual encounters.

But it is a form of being unfaithful and he has been very deceptive and sly.

I actually think this is worse than a one night stand.

He has a yearning for her and I don’t think there is any coming back from this.

Slipperywhipple · 14/08/2025 22:38

In the kindest way, have some self respect ! Smell the coffee and don’t engage in this nonsense.
Friendship with a young , single woman! Then threatening to CS if he can’t see her. He is making a mockery of you.
Have your dignity and sanity. Leave .

Takenoprisoner · 14/08/2025 22:42

He is completely disrespecting you and your marriage. I would give him one chance, and then it's time to speak to solicitors. The fact he had a meltdown and is threatening suicide says everything. He is far too invested in this 'friendship'

PigletSanders · 14/08/2025 22:43

He threatened suicide if you asked him to stop secretly seeing and secretly messaging this 28 year old woman?

Fucking hell.

I’m so sorry OP, he’s already gone. 😔

JLou08 · 14/08/2025 22:44

I think people saying it's over are leaping. Why would he introduce you if he wanted to leave you for her? You say everything had been solid for 5 years, he's known her for the last year. It may just be a very close friendship that no one would bat an eye about if they were the same sex. Sometimes friends do develop a deep bond, I have deep bonds with some of my friends and I wouldn't give up the friendships if my DH tried to force me to.

UpMyself · 14/08/2025 22:48

PInkyStarfish · 14/08/2025 22:18

He’s besotted with her but that doesn’t necessarily mean she feels the same about him or that they have ever had any romantic overtures when they meet or any sexual encounters.

But it is a form of being unfaithful and he has been very deceptive and sly.

I actually think this is worse than a one night stand.

He has a yearning for her and I don’t think there is any coming back from this.

I agree. I could have forgiven a drunken ONS, but the betrayal of his yearning for the OW was unforgiveable.

(Not saying a drunken ONS is OK but you're swept up in a moment, not spending months prioritising the OW over your own wife and children.)

UpMyself · 14/08/2025 22:52

@JLou08 , have you never heard of 'hiding in plain sight'? Would you threaten to end your life if your DH said he wasn't happy with you being friends with someone?

outerspacepotato · 14/08/2025 22:56

"He then had the meltdown, and talked of ending it all - this is when I backed down."

He threatened suicide? Over not contacting a hobby friend?

Wake up. Your marriage is over. He's keeping you around because he's probably looked at the cost of a divorce and she hasn't given him a reason to.

But if she did he would be gone. He would dump you and your family like a shot. You're convenient but no longer his choice.

RedRec · 14/08/2025 23:37

JLou08 · 14/08/2025 22:44

I think people saying it's over are leaping. Why would he introduce you if he wanted to leave you for her? You say everything had been solid for 5 years, he's known her for the last year. It may just be a very close friendship that no one would bat an eye about if they were the same sex. Sometimes friends do develop a deep bond, I have deep bonds with some of my friends and I wouldn't give up the friendships if my DH tried to force me to.

So you didn't read the bit about this man-baby histrionically threatening to kill himself if he wasn't allowed to carry on seeing the other woman?

Mariana95 · 14/08/2025 23:57

YodasHairyButt · 14/08/2025 18:13

She may just see him as a friend, but he is completely obsessed with her. Threatening suicide is so far over the line. If he can’t see how unacceptable and destructive this is, then I’m not sure where to go from there except out.

I agree, the way he is acting is far too extreme for her to just be a friend in his eyes.

Fayaway · 15/08/2025 00:15

FumbDucker · 14/08/2025 17:52

Do you think it’s more on his side? Weird he’s all of a sudden let you know about them - possibly her family had reservations about his intentions so he wheels out the wife who is totally cool with this friendship?

Adding to say sorry if the above is too harsh, sending hugs OP

Sorry to say I think this is the explanation for you meeting her and her family.

Takenoprisoner · 15/08/2025 00:27

Him threatening suicide is him saying she is the most important thing in his life. wake up @FourAndFive .

I agree with posters who've said he is your enemy. Get your paperwork in order and see a solicitor. This Marriage is over, it's just a matter of time now so it's better to be prepared. Also withdraw from him and do nothing from him. He is having an affair under your very nose.

3luckystars · 15/08/2025 00:42

Stop being nice about it. It is happening. His head has been turned and I don’t know what you can do to stop it. It’s a kind of madness.

Protect yourself and don’t be gaslit. It is happening .

Im sorry x x

Thewookiemustgo · 15/08/2025 00:54

I can’t believe he threatened suicide over ending a friendship with a woman which you made clear had overstepped boundaries for you and you didn’t like. Doubt he’d be keen for you to join them in this hobby.
People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. The fact that he hid anything about a close relationship with another woman is totally out of order.
Threatening suicide is manipulation at the very least. On first reading I thought ‘end it all’ must mean he was being martyr-ish and saying he wouldn’t do his hobby at all if he couldn’t be friends with her. When I realised he meant it literally I was dumbfounded. If my husband said he wouldn’t rather die than not be able to meet up with another woman, that would be that for me. You should be his priority, he should be able to see that meeting up with another woman for over a year without telling you is utterly wrong. It’s so wrong that it’s actually an emotional affair OP. This woman has to go.

hellohellohelooo · 15/08/2025 01:20

Wow. I’m so sorry you are going through this.
you need to ask him to leave imo

Anyahyacinth · 15/08/2025 02:15

JLou08 · 14/08/2025 22:44

I think people saying it's over are leaping. Why would he introduce you if he wanted to leave you for her? You say everything had been solid for 5 years, he's known her for the last year. It may just be a very close friendship that no one would bat an eye about if they were the same sex. Sometimes friends do develop a deep bond, I have deep bonds with some of my friends and I wouldn't give up the friendships if my DH tried to force me to.

Because he used his wife to seem legitimate to the 28 year olds family and wants to have the dalliance and family at the same time...that's why the introduction

StartupRepair · 15/08/2025 02:51

He is saying he would rather be dead than stay married to you with no further contact with OW. I'm sorry OP I don't think there is any coming back from that.

Francestein · 15/08/2025 02:53

Send him home to mummy to sort his priorities out.

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