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Something isn't right - emotional affair or just friends?

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FourAndFive · 14/08/2025 17:23

Name changed for this. It's a bit of a blur, and long, apologies in advance.

I need help and/or a slap to either wake me up to an emotional affair and huge gaslighting from my DH (47), or to help me deal with a shiny new friendship my DH of 24 years has.

He's hidden a friendship from me that has been going on for nearly a year. He has never, ever done this before, and has been a completely open book in all our years together. The last five years have been so good for us emotionally, and our relationship felt solid as far as I was concerned.

He has a hobby that he is obsessed (not lightheartedly obsessed, genuinely obsessed) with, and while doing this hobby he meets people from time to time. He would usually mention these people in passing, and I'm happy he's happy, so all good. About 6-7 weeks ago, he started to mention at funny times how he was meeting 'great people', and 'so many people to chat to' and 'I know so many people now' while he's doing his hobby and I thought yeah, great, but it was out of tone, and quite odd.

Fast forward a week or so, and he keeps name dropping and then tells me that I have to meet someone (single F28), because I'd really like her, and she does the hobby a bit more than he does, and has done it all over the world and how nice she is etc. and so I found myself meeting her for a few hours across two days, alongside some of her family members, who all knew about my DH and the shared hobby and thought how sweet it was... It was so very odd, and I couldn't put my finger on why, and I was so uncomfortable.

To cut a very long story short, it turns out they've been regularly meeting up since late last year, texting multiple times a day, including gifts and planning things around their hobby... I've since seen most of their messages. I have never seen my DH speak to anyone like he speaks to her (except me). He is a man who I know has strong moral boundaries, and keeps a safe distance from other women, doesn't encourage and is completely platonic with all of his female friends - which is clearly no longer the case! There is no 'sex' chat, and he talks about us occasionally (we have 2DC) but it's overly affectionate/mutual appreciation and excitement for finding each other - and I've hated reading them. (I asked him for phone access after all the minimising he was doing, and he said he'd deleted all messages - but he forgot to remove them from his deleted items, so I restored them. I know this is a massive red flag.)

I've told him that I need him to cut all contact with her - but he had serious meltdown (talk of CS), insists it's just friends and that I should trust him. I am finding this impossible, considering the lengths he's taken to hide her until recently. He hasn't done anything to reduce contact, and has even initiated meeting her multiple times, even though I specifically asked him not to. I know they met today for the hobby, and I know they've text each other, because he is telling me - at my request. But I shouldn't worry, because he loves me blah blah. I just want a bit of respite from it so I can get my head around his utterly bizarre behaviour, and consider everything that's happened. It's so unlike him.

I feel sick. The trust isn't there. I feel anxious all the time. I know what I should be doing, but I don't want him to be unhappy at the same time - especially if it is actually platonic. Thoughts please wise MN women! How do I navigate this shit show?

OP posts:
showyourquality · 14/08/2025 18:12

He told you he would commit suicide if he wasn’t able to continue a relationship with this person?
He doesn’t understand how serious this situation is for your marriage.
I think I would be looking for couples therapy as a emergency option because this cannot end well if it continues.

YodasHairyButt · 14/08/2025 18:13

She may just see him as a friend, but he is completely obsessed with her. Threatening suicide is so far over the line. If he can’t see how unacceptable and destructive this is, then I’m not sure where to go from there except out.

MounjaroMounjaro · 14/08/2025 18:13

You need to take action swiftly, OP. All this may well be good in the end but the longer his relationship with her goes on, the less chance there is of your own relationship surviving. I would tell him it's over. What he's done is unforgivable and you don't want anything to do with him. Then follow that through with a lawyer's appointment and file for divorce.

The shock of that will make him take action. Either he'll continue to see her and may well end up with her, or he will be shocked into realising he's blown it with you.

I would go ballistic at his suicide threats. How dare he threaten you with his committing suicide simply because you won't put up with a really inappropriate relationship?

UpMyself · 14/08/2025 18:23

@Peaktime , I was the 'wronged wife' and got things like 'She's so nice', 'But she has nothing', 'I can't help it' ...
Stupidly, I got The Script, did the Pick Me Dance, and now after a few years to get over it, I thank god that ugly person is out of my life.

The getting over it was more to get over the fact that my judgement of a person had been so wrong. There were happy times, we had fun, but each nice memory is stamped with 'This man beat you up.'
Boiling frogs and all that.

JimmyGiraffe · 14/08/2025 18:29

I would go ballistic at his suicide threats. How dare he threaten you with his committing suicide simply because you won't put up with a really inappropriate relationship?

This. If he literally can’t live without her then he’s admitting it’s way more than friendship.

An ultimatum may give him a much needed shock but don’t do that unless you’re prepared to follow through if necessary

Inshockandsome · 14/08/2025 18:30

Op you have to protect yourself - you know this can not continue for another day. I would give him an ultimatum - and mean it. I would have the lawyers and estate agents ready. He is trying to navigate having the best of both worlds.

Overwhelmedandunderfed · 14/08/2025 18:31

Well if I’m reading this correctly then he is married, you were completely okay with a very intense hobby and therefore he was already lucky to have an understanding wife. He becomes obsessed with another woman and threatened to unalive himself if he couldn’t see her anymore. Does it really matter if it’s one sided or if they’ve slept together? Would he threaten to kill himself if you left him? It doesn’t sound like it. I’m so sorry but that’s not a relationship is it? Not really. I think you know what you have to do. The hardest part for you will be maybe not knowing if the friendship would have fizzled out but you need to forgive yourself for not being okay with your husband having a friendship that he’s obsessed with. I’m very sorry.

HotTiredDog · 14/08/2025 18:38

I’m so sorry @FourAndFive.
Please protect yourself & your DCs and kick him out of the family home, because with behaviour like that he doesn’t belong there. Do all the things you need to do; you will be stronger & happier.
Best wishes 💐

HotHotHome · 14/08/2025 18:48

You will never love him again after this, his disloyalty has been shown.

A man who can do this was never capable of real love.

His 'girlfriend' is an absolute shithead as well.

Two people who you need to be as far away as possible from, that includes the kids, nasty people.

ForGladGreen · 14/08/2025 18:49

Like others I would be waaayyy more concerned with him threatening suicide. What exactly did he say? That he would kill himself if you made him stop seeing her? How on earth did he word that to you, his wife?!

I think at the very least you need emergency couples counselling with someone who can be truly objective. It is obvious he is having a midlife crisis or a mental health crisis, and unless he has threatened suicide before / this is a regular occurrence for him I would be taking that seriously and getting him mental health support asap.

the 28 year old female might not be attracted to him, might never have crossed a physical boundary with him, but it doesn’t stop the intensity of this relationship and his feelings towards her being completely inappropriate.

we haven’t even talked about the 19 year age gap, which is pretty weird / worrying as is, and would be noticeably odd even if it were a 28 year old male.

How old are your kids?

MyAcornWood · 14/08/2025 18:52

This isn’t salvageable. If he’s so far gone into this little daydream that he threatens suicide if he has to live without this woman, then it’s too late. He clearly isn’t all that concerned about losing you op, which is just awful. He’s a fool, and he’ll come to know it himself, sooner or later.

UpMyself · 14/08/2025 19:13

I've told him that I need him to cut all contact with her - but he had serious meltdown (talk of CS),
He won't. If he's threatening to CS, then there is no point in holding on to the marriage.
insists it's just friends and that I should trust him.
It's at best an emotional affair.

... and how nice she is etc. and so I found myself meeting her for a few hours across two days, alongside some of her family members, who all knew about my DH and the shared hobby and thought how sweet it was... It was so very odd, and I couldn't put my finger on why, and I was so uncomfortable.
That is too weird for words.

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 14/08/2025 19:15

Devious

Jammiesdodger · 14/08/2025 19:25

Why did you meet her family members???? How did that come about?

UpMyself · 14/08/2025 19:33

Presumably something like an ultramarathon. Her relatives there to support her, OP there to support him.

Ooodelally · 14/08/2025 19:36

FourAndFive · 14/08/2025 17:59

Agree!

This is what happened.. I gave him non-negotiable boundaries (no meet ups, no texts), after weeks of asking him to back off the friendship so I could deal with it. He then had the meltdown, and talked of ending it all - this is when I backed down. I shouldn't have - he just looked so totally defeated and unhappy, and at that point I put myself second.

Sorry, I don’t understand, is he saying he will kill himself if you insist on him not seeing her?

Beachtastic · 14/08/2025 19:37

FourAndFive · 14/08/2025 17:59

Agree!

This is what happened.. I gave him non-negotiable boundaries (no meet ups, no texts), after weeks of asking him to back off the friendship so I could deal with it. He then had the meltdown, and talked of ending it all - this is when I backed down. I shouldn't have - he just looked so totally defeated and unhappy, and at that point I put myself second.

He talked about ending it all?!??!?!?!

That sounds as though this means a whole lot more to him than it should.

Is she as obsessive about this hobby as he is? If so, then the attraction might be on that level. (Just playing Devil's Advocate here.) If not, then it seems he's really in too deep.

MsPavlichenko · 14/08/2025 19:41

Peaktime · 14/08/2025 17:55

I suspect she does see it as friends, she wouldn't have wanted to meet you other wise. He OTOH...

How is he with you and family stuff? Is he still emotionally engaged or has he checked out?

Affairs can and often are carried out in plain sight. It’s naive to think otherwise.

MySweetGeorgina · 14/08/2025 19:54

Oh gosh, that is do embarrassing for him

i am a tennis player and there are a few married middle aged men who get completely smitten by pretty young female players, and it is always so obvious and cringe

your husband is making a fool out of himself

he is saying that this woman is the most important person in his life and his life has no meaning without her… so that is clear I guess

No way back from that ? Is there?

jolies1 · 14/08/2025 19:57

FourAndFive · 14/08/2025 18:02

Totally engaged with everything. If not more so than ever - because he's trying to prove it's me he loves.

He just said, he didn't know how to tell me, because I was having a hard time at work, aging parents, a few health issues...

If he really felt “he didn’t know how to tell you,” he already knew there was something for you to be unhappy about.

If it’s all completely platonic and hobby based it wouldn’t matter a bit what else you had going on. “There’s a nice new lady at jigsaw club / brass band practise, we had a good chat about…”

IsSheOkayOrWhat · 14/08/2025 20:07

Ahh man this is so sad, DH of 20+years…. And he is on the edge of losing it all. Have you told him how you feel, and I mean that you don’t trust him now??? That may change his mind. Tell him…. You are not a control freak and you don’t mind him making new friends but it’s the hiding her that has made this not ok. I agree. Good luck. He is a foolish man indeed. You could play him at his own game….. find a male friend! Ha

Lucyintheskywithdiamonnds · 14/08/2025 20:09

Oh no. This is so horrible, I’m sorry OP. He’s obviously besotted / infatuated by this young woman. She sees him as a safe happily married man. Probably not interested in him at all.

He’s ignored what you’ve asked for, ignored how you feel and been gas lighting you. Even used you to meet her and parents to show how safe he is.

Maybe make an appointment with a solicitor. Go through your options. Tell him. Then see how serious he is about you being together.

His threatening suicide is text book manipulation. Despicable sad desperate man. You’re so much better than him x

fedup078 · 14/08/2025 20:21

I sincerely hope she doesn’t see him ‘that way’ at all and he ends up making an utter fool of himself.
but saying that , she should really be able to see it from your perspective and shouldn’t entertain such an intense friendship with a married man of any age.

OnceIn · 14/08/2025 20:28

So he’s basically said he’ll end your marriage if he can’t see and talk to this woman? I think that right there is the statement that should have ended your marriage. He’s just put his relationship with the OW at the top of his priority list, an above you, his marriage and your dc.

Mumof2amazingasdkiddos · 14/08/2025 20:59

Threatening to off himself if he can't be friends with this woman is the main thing that jumped out for me, aside from being incredibly abusive it shows that clearly this "friend" means a lot to him if hes going to get himself in such a state about not being able to message her anymore

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