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Something isn't right - emotional affair or just friends?

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FourAndFive · 14/08/2025 17:23

Name changed for this. It's a bit of a blur, and long, apologies in advance.

I need help and/or a slap to either wake me up to an emotional affair and huge gaslighting from my DH (47), or to help me deal with a shiny new friendship my DH of 24 years has.

He's hidden a friendship from me that has been going on for nearly a year. He has never, ever done this before, and has been a completely open book in all our years together. The last five years have been so good for us emotionally, and our relationship felt solid as far as I was concerned.

He has a hobby that he is obsessed (not lightheartedly obsessed, genuinely obsessed) with, and while doing this hobby he meets people from time to time. He would usually mention these people in passing, and I'm happy he's happy, so all good. About 6-7 weeks ago, he started to mention at funny times how he was meeting 'great people', and 'so many people to chat to' and 'I know so many people now' while he's doing his hobby and I thought yeah, great, but it was out of tone, and quite odd.

Fast forward a week or so, and he keeps name dropping and then tells me that I have to meet someone (single F28), because I'd really like her, and she does the hobby a bit more than he does, and has done it all over the world and how nice she is etc. and so I found myself meeting her for a few hours across two days, alongside some of her family members, who all knew about my DH and the shared hobby and thought how sweet it was... It was so very odd, and I couldn't put my finger on why, and I was so uncomfortable.

To cut a very long story short, it turns out they've been regularly meeting up since late last year, texting multiple times a day, including gifts and planning things around their hobby... I've since seen most of their messages. I have never seen my DH speak to anyone like he speaks to her (except me). He is a man who I know has strong moral boundaries, and keeps a safe distance from other women, doesn't encourage and is completely platonic with all of his female friends - which is clearly no longer the case! There is no 'sex' chat, and he talks about us occasionally (we have 2DC) but it's overly affectionate/mutual appreciation and excitement for finding each other - and I've hated reading them. (I asked him for phone access after all the minimising he was doing, and he said he'd deleted all messages - but he forgot to remove them from his deleted items, so I restored them. I know this is a massive red flag.)

I've told him that I need him to cut all contact with her - but he had serious meltdown (talk of CS), insists it's just friends and that I should trust him. I am finding this impossible, considering the lengths he's taken to hide her until recently. He hasn't done anything to reduce contact, and has even initiated meeting her multiple times, even though I specifically asked him not to. I know they met today for the hobby, and I know they've text each other, because he is telling me - at my request. But I shouldn't worry, because he loves me blah blah. I just want a bit of respite from it so I can get my head around his utterly bizarre behaviour, and consider everything that's happened. It's so unlike him.

I feel sick. The trust isn't there. I feel anxious all the time. I know what I should be doing, but I don't want him to be unhappy at the same time - especially if it is actually platonic. Thoughts please wise MN women! How do I navigate this shit show?

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Secondstart1001 · 14/08/2025 17:38

I’m really sorry. As soon as they start begging and pleading to be friends with another woman, likely you’ve already lost him.

fedup078 · 14/08/2025 17:39

It’s already an emotional affair if he’s deleting messages etc
I’d absolutely hate this op it would drive me insane .

Wrenjay · 14/08/2025 17:40

He is making light of the situation. If he can't/won't stop chatting or meeting up then it's "his hobby or your marriage" discussion. My H went out with a "group" but it wasn't, it was a particular female. He said there was no sex. There was some sort of intimacy. He spoke about her and told her more about his thoughts and desires than me! It has ruined our marriage.

FourAndFive · 14/08/2025 17:43

Secondstart1001 · 14/08/2025 17:38

I’m really sorry. As soon as they start begging and pleading to be friends with another woman, likely you’ve already lost him.

This makes me so unbelievably sad.

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TheRealGoose · 14/08/2025 17:44

From her side are you sure it is more than just good friends and a hobby in common? Is she single? I don’t think you can dictate his friends, but if you don’t trust him and think he’s trying to sleep with her, then you need to end it.

Searchingforananswer2023 · 14/08/2025 17:44

Start getting your paperwork in order, assess the finances. You know what is coming OP.

Zempy · 14/08/2025 17:46

It’s over. So sorry 💐

Timelineuk · 14/08/2025 17:48

He’s checked out and it’s sad after all these years. Ty really can happen to any good man

FourAndFive · 14/08/2025 17:48

Wrenjay · 14/08/2025 17:40

He is making light of the situation. If he can't/won't stop chatting or meeting up then it's "his hobby or your marriage" discussion. My H went out with a "group" but it wasn't, it was a particular female. He said there was no sex. There was some sort of intimacy. He spoke about her and told her more about his thoughts and desires than me! It has ruined our marriage.

I can deal with the hobby, I think. But not her.

You are right, he is making light of it.

He's overly affectionate with me, but doing all the things I'm asking him not to.

I'm sorry that happened to you. It's really shit. He is a shit.

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Secondstart1001 · 14/08/2025 17:50

FourAndFive · 14/08/2025 17:43

This makes me so unbelievably sad.

I’m sorry. I know it sounds harsh but I’m sure deep down you know he would normally and should now be putting you first. I don’t know what happens to these bloody men to be honest. I know it must really hurt.
You are trying to stop him but he’s too far gone and I don’t believe you can stop a person when they check out. Unless you pack his bags and say it’s me or her? Even then though, it shouldn’t have to come to this.

FumbDucker · 14/08/2025 17:52

Do you think it’s more on his side? Weird he’s all of a sudden let you know about them - possibly her family had reservations about his intentions so he wheels out the wife who is totally cool with this friendship?

Adding to say sorry if the above is too harsh, sending hugs OP

MsPavlichenko · 14/08/2025 17:53

It matters not if it is platonic ( they might not have done anything physical yet ). He has kept it hidden from you, and is now gaslighting you whilst introducing you to her family. What matters is that you are ( correctly) extremely unhappy. If he loves you, and truly wants your happiness he needs to do as you suggested. Break contact, and put all effort into you, and your relationship.

If he doesn’t you have your answer. Call his bluff, tell him it’s a deal breaker ( it is ). Then be prepared to follow through. He’ll either come to his senses, or he will not.

At this point all the talking in the world won’t sort this. You need to show him , by your actions you mean business. It will be better for you too to take control, whatever the outcome.

FourAndFive · 14/08/2025 17:55

TheRealGoose · 14/08/2025 17:44

From her side are you sure it is more than just good friends and a hobby in common? Is she single? I don’t think you can dictate his friends, but if you don’t trust him and think he’s trying to sleep with her, then you need to end it.

No, I didn't get that from her, no obvious chemistry from her side when I met her - but I was blindsided in all honesty. I don't recognise my DH at the moment, so it was hard to tell from his side. She is single.

I've never told him who he can be friends with, we don't have that sort of relationship, at all. I had no choice to ask him to cut contact, because it was how I felt at the time. He ignored that, anyway.

It's an awful feeling after us being so tight for all of these years.

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Peaktime · 14/08/2025 17:55

I suspect she does see it as friends, she wouldn't have wanted to meet you other wise. He OTOH...

How is he with you and family stuff? Is he still emotionally engaged or has he checked out?

Lillibridge · 14/08/2025 17:55

One they start saying that 'you must trust them', then usually there's something to worry about.

fedup078 · 14/08/2025 17:57

How would you feel if he was acting this way with a male friend op?

that’s not me being goady

it’s how I knew my boyfriend’s ‘friendship’ with his female ‘best friend’ had crossed boundaries I wasn’t comfortable with , as had she been a man I’d have been equally if not more uncomfortable with it .

FourAndFive · 14/08/2025 17:59

MsPavlichenko · 14/08/2025 17:53

It matters not if it is platonic ( they might not have done anything physical yet ). He has kept it hidden from you, and is now gaslighting you whilst introducing you to her family. What matters is that you are ( correctly) extremely unhappy. If he loves you, and truly wants your happiness he needs to do as you suggested. Break contact, and put all effort into you, and your relationship.

If he doesn’t you have your answer. Call his bluff, tell him it’s a deal breaker ( it is ). Then be prepared to follow through. He’ll either come to his senses, or he will not.

At this point all the talking in the world won’t sort this. You need to show him , by your actions you mean business. It will be better for you too to take control, whatever the outcome.

Edited

Agree!

This is what happened.. I gave him non-negotiable boundaries (no meet ups, no texts), after weeks of asking him to back off the friendship so I could deal with it. He then had the meltdown, and talked of ending it all - this is when I backed down. I shouldn't have - he just looked so totally defeated and unhappy, and at that point I put myself second.

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FourAndFive · 14/08/2025 18:00

fedup078 · 14/08/2025 17:57

How would you feel if he was acting this way with a male friend op?

that’s not me being goady

it’s how I knew my boyfriend’s ‘friendship’ with his female ‘best friend’ had crossed boundaries I wasn’t comfortable with , as had she been a man I’d have been equally if not more uncomfortable with it .

It would still be massively out of character.

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Moveoverdarlin · 14/08/2025 18:02

Mmm actually I think it does sound platonic, they really wouldn’t encourage meeting you if they were shagging and not many 28 females shagging married men encourage their families to meet the man and his wife.

But I can see why it would bother you. And surely he must be able to see that threatening CS is unhinged??

FourAndFive · 14/08/2025 18:02

Peaktime · 14/08/2025 17:55

I suspect she does see it as friends, she wouldn't have wanted to meet you other wise. He OTOH...

How is he with you and family stuff? Is he still emotionally engaged or has he checked out?

Totally engaged with everything. If not more so than ever - because he's trying to prove it's me he loves.

He just said, he didn't know how to tell me, because I was having a hard time at work, aging parents, a few health issues...

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Onwardspeople · 14/08/2025 18:03

I’m sorry op. You know your DH, you’ve been with him 24 years and you know this isn’t “just friends”.
I am not sure what you mean by “CS” but I am not one to pussy foot around. I would give him two options. One, he stops this nonsense now, today. Or two, you seperate.
I would also make it crystal clear that, even if he does pull his head out of his arse and stop behaving like a total prick, your relationship has been massively damaged by his actions.

Tartanboots · 14/08/2025 18:05

How dare he threaten suicide. That's the worst kind of emotional blackmail. If he really feels he'll die without her, chuck him out. It's the only way he'll realise what he stands to lose and he may start to appreciate you. And you keep your self respect. This kind of relationship is not acceptable at all when you're married. You're totally in the right to ask him to stop it.

TwistedWonder · 14/08/2025 18:06

Sorry OP but at the very least it’s an emotional affair even if it’s very odd sided.

The fact he had refused to give her up and talked about suicide if he can’t have contact with her shows you the depth of his obsession with her.

It would be the end for me

UpMyself · 14/08/2025 18:09

She sees him as safe because he is married with children. He sees her as his girlfriend.
Sorry @FourAndFive , get your paperwork and speak to a family lawyer.

Peaktime · 14/08/2025 18:12

UpMyself · 14/08/2025 18:09

She sees him as safe because he is married with children. He sees her as his girlfriend.
Sorry @FourAndFive , get your paperwork and speak to a family lawyer.

I had one of these years back. I was in a man's world and became friends with a man who seemed safe because he was completely wrapped with his wife and children. He didn't see it as a friendship for long.

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