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Dad disowned me over one comment- how do I fix it?

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erasemybrain · 10/08/2025 12:45

Hi, this is long.
I have previously had a brilliant relationship with my parents. I'm married and have 2 children. We have always been very close. My DH has no parents and they have treated him like a son. They have looked after our children - we have never paid childcare. We recently had a week off work to renovate a room in their house. We do a lot for each other. I speak to my mom every day and my dad every couple of days if we haven't seen them.
We usually holiday together and have done for years. Dad used to pay for the holiday and now we do (power shift?). We do all the work, cooking etc. We also do all the driving once we have arrived. We often do the same things on holiday - throw backs to when we were kids, but it's a very democratic and organic process deciding what we want to do and we don't have to do things all together.
Anyway- this year may half term we were on holiday- dad was celebrating a big birthday while we were there. Other family has come along to stay nearby. Everything was going well, we had had a nice day. It was his birthday the next day. We sorted dinner and my teen was being a bit rude/cheeky to me (as is often the case, testing boundaries!). He has been at the accommodation all day with my husband and the rest of us had been a couple of places (ie I hadn't been nagging him all day!) I told him he had been rude and he took that on the chin because he knew he had. My dad said "oh will you give it a rest" I said "if you don't like it go somewhere else" - there were numerous other places to be other than sat at the table with us. He had already finished his food.
Well this lot the touch paper and he got his car keys and drove off. He had left his phone behind and we all sort of carried on as normal. My mom did ask him not to go but he left anyway. He was gone a couple of hours and by the time he came back we were all in bed- small accommodation you could hear everything. He came in and seemed even more angry than when he left. He went into his bedroom and demanded that my mom pack his case. She was begging him to stay. My DS who had been cheeky was sobbing and begging him to stay. My mom said she had chest pain and he ignored her. He was packing his things and I slipped out of the chaos and sat in his car. I hoped that then I could talk to him and apologise (even though I didn't feel what I had said had warranted that reaction- we are normally people who say what we think!) He locked me in the car and I couldn't get out. I could hear my son sobbing and begging.
I have never seen him behave like this before he was so so angry. I saw my husband standing in his was asking him to stay and talk. My Dad said he didn't want to hit him but he would if he didn't move. Again this couldn't be more out of character. I was very very worried. Someone let me out of the car and I went in to try and get him to talk but he was fighting us to get out. All I could think of what if he crashes and dies my son will be affected forever.
The neighbours started shouting for us to keep the noise down and my dad started shouting for help. The look in his eyes was wild and I really felt like I didn't know him at all. My mom was still begging him to stay.
We let him leave. He drove 200 miles home.
There was an aftermath of trying to contact him and make sure he was ok. Mainly other family members. He would only really speak to my son. My other younger son was in bed and terrified of the whole thing.
I text him the next day but he was accusing me of assaulting him and was still clearly angry.
He hasn't spoken to me or my husband since. This shows no sign of improvement. He thinks we did a terrible thing trying to stop him from leaving. I did send him and email explaining how worried for him we were (this seems to make him angry that we were worried) that we only tried to stop him from leaving because we love him etc, etc. That resulted in him blocking me.
For clarity my husband stood in his way and held his hands up to his shoulders and stood his ground. I hugged him to stop him leaving. Arms round his waist.
Please help me fix this. I miss him so much. It feels like a dream that I'm going to wake up from. It was so out of character. I have thought some kind of medical issue but then why would he be carrying it on! I have told a few friends who know him (who have been on holiday with us and them) who can't believe it either!
Thank you so much for reading.

OP posts:
Bathingforest · 10/08/2025 15:38

May be he secretly wasn't happy with whatever and just snapped. May be he's tired of teenage behaviours...May be he's decides to stop controlling himself. May be he has personality disorder and masked all his life to fit in

Moveoverdarlin · 10/08/2025 15:40

Have you actually apologised for what you said? It’s YOUR comment that sent everything in to a spiral. You literally said ‘go if you don’t like it’. He tried to go and you wouldn’t let him. What’s a guy to do?? Being told by your daughter to basically ‘fuck off if you don’t like it’ whilst on a family holiday is incredibly disrespectful. I’d never say anything like that to my Dad.

Bathingforest · 10/08/2025 15:42

Sundaybananas · 10/08/2025 12:59

Sorry but i think your response was way out of line. Probably easy to say in hindsight but you should have just let him go, all calmed down, and dealt with it calmly later. Multiple people physically restraining him is not OK.

This. Hrs your father and father figure to your husband. You should respect and venerated this man unless he was a dick.

JMSA · 10/08/2025 15:43

SpinnyDinos456 · 10/08/2025 15:34

He's lost control of you and it pisses him off. You talk about him like some sort of god. Begging him to forgive you for months wtf? Still letting the kids over there? His good little girl told him off (rightly so, he was undermining your parenting), and he massively escalated it.

Frankly, I don't understand why you aren't more angry.

Agreed, absolutely.

Notonthestairs · 10/08/2025 15:43

He’s clearly got a track record for giving his family the silent treatment. So this isn’t out of the blue - it’s just the first time he’s directed it at you.

I’d leave well alone. Grovelling won’t help, it will just confirm his belief that he’s a victim.

Peaceandlabradors · 10/08/2025 15:44

Looking at it. I’ve been there with my own parents.

He’s always been controlling and abusive and the mask slipped didn’t it? You told him not to interfere in your parents and to go away - admittedly this was pretty rudely done by you and he did and the mask then slipped and he built himself up into a fury of rage. Would of, should of, could of: you could of said - look I’m sorry if you felt I was a bit rude but please let me parent my own kids, but hey ho- he would probably of still left but then have nothing to blame you for.

However you didn’t deescalate it you kept going, and now he has you all screwed up in knots and is refusing to even say hello - when you go over and sits in a separate room?

And you keep going?

The kids and you and your DH need to be on the same page. Draft a letter if you like but be warned the mask has slipped and it can’t go back on.

When similar happened to me and I was totally innocent my father lost the plot he lost it. He’d always been a narcissistic bully but this time there was nothing on me - he lost it. In front of my children and there was nothing I could do. I left and took the children in my case and he hasn’t spoken to me really since and that was 5 years ago. I did all the writing and apologising and all that crap but I hadn’t even done anything. In my case he was because the image of wonderful grandad came crashing down - nothing left just a very angry shouty little man. We’ve met once since and the kids were cool with him and didn’t want cuddles etc as they were able at a distance to see he was abusive and they basically said we saw you screaming and shouting and being horrible to our mum and actually we aren’t ok with that. He didn’t apologise and never has and never will / he wanted us all to apologise and grovel and then we all pretend it didn’t happen and I was so well into the pattern I did the first and second bit - it was the children who called it.

5 years on - he doesn’t see us. It was hard at first and still is sometimes but I have my husband and children and so do you.

I would in your case - go around and go into the room where he is sitting and say ‘I’m sorry for my part in the argument, but I haven’t had an apology for your part and for all the sulking and ignoring us when we come over’ / so I’m leaving this here - a card with your number in and you and mum are welcome over provided you can move forward positively and have a normal civil in person chat. Otherwise given you ignore me when we come over - we won’t do that anymore. The ball is now in your court and if you chose to never play again / that’s on you.

AndOnAndOn1000 · 10/08/2025 15:46

Stop apologizing. This irrational immature behaviour is entirely on him.

A loving grandfather would never upset his grandchildren like that. He should be ashamed of himself quite frankly.

It sounds like he's got a very controlling bullying nature.

godmum56 · 10/08/2025 15:47

whitewineandsun · 10/08/2025 14:29

You should all have let him leave instead of carrying on like it was an episode of Eastenders.

That said, doesn't sound like your mum's life is much fun, does it? Maybe talk to her about it.

like I said.....doof doofs

outerspacepotato · 10/08/2025 15:47

How much had he and the rest of you been drinking?

You were out of order telling him to leave if he didn't like it, then all of you went full soap opera drama queen. The neighbors had to tell you guys to pipe down.

This sounds like drunk drama or a medical condition if this is truly out of character.

It sounds like both your parents need full physical exams, especially if your mom is having chest pain, and a mental status exam for your dad.

Cinaferna · 10/08/2025 15:48

Your second post is extremely revealing OP. He gives your mum the silent treatment. Have you all been trained all your life to normalise kowtowing to him, and is he enraged that the power balance shifted in that moment, and is punishing you massively in order to get you back in line?

My father refused to speak to me for months when I dared challenge him over something trivial. The whole family were swooping in, begging me to apologise. But I hadn't done anything wrong. I'd merely disagreed with him when he made a factual error. Whereas he had been furious and rude and cruel. So... our relationship cooled after that and I took a big step back. Still loved him, still saw him, but not as often and as far as possible, only on my own terms. It was a real breakthrough for me.

He is being unnecessarily cruel to you. If there is not a medical reason why he had such an uncharacteristic outburst then it may not be as uncharacteristic as you think. You seem so surprised, though, that I wouldn't rule out this being an early symptom of dementia, or some other issue - infection or brain problem.

CircularMotionDementedThrustingGuy · 10/08/2025 15:50

Featherbeds · 10/08/2025 14:20

That’s perfectly possible, @Viviennemary .

And I can’t help feeling that everyone was incredibly melodramatic at the time, OP. One man disappeared for a sulk for a couple of hours after a tiff and then announces he’s going home early from a holiday, and suddenly your cheeky teenager is ‘sobbing and begging’, your mother is begging him to stay and having chest pains, your DH is blocking him, you’re locked in the car, your other child is terrified in bed, and there’s so much noise and struggle the neighbours are disturbed? And you’re thinking that if he crashes the car while en route home, your teenager will be marked for life?

I mean, do you all normally behave like Eastenders characters?

When someone sulks and stalks off, you let them. You don’t inflame the situation further.

Edited

This. All sounds so over the top!! Why is everyone sobbing and crying? Why is your mum having chest pains? Does she usually decide to have chest pains in the middle of a tiff?

Cinaferna · 10/08/2025 15:51

RattyMcBatty · 10/08/2025 13:32

I do think that you telling a grown man that if he doesn't like it, he can go somewhere else is a really incredibly rude. I'm not surprised he did just that - I know my dh and/or father would have done. To then physically restrain him (you say it was a hug, but was it really?) would have made it all very much worse.

Can you go round and profusely apologise, say you know you were out of order and are so, so sorry? I think that's all you can do.

She already profusely apologised. She said something rude. he took huge offense. She apologised endlessly. Everyone begged and wept and he didn't back down. How much more grovelling does he need? Is he King Lear?

BrentfordForever · 10/08/2025 15:53

CircularMotionDementedThrustingGuy · 10/08/2025 15:50

This. All sounds so over the top!! Why is everyone sobbing and crying? Why is your mum having chest pains? Does she usually decide to have chest pains in the middle of a tiff?

“Chest pains” is a give away of a different culture, when words don’t do the trick you take out the “I am dying” ace out of the hat!

erasemybrain · 10/08/2025 15:53

Thank you for all your perspectives. We did let him go the first time he left. I think he was annoyed we were all in bed when he got back. I think he expected us to be up worrying. We normally don't do drama at all. That's why we were all in bed! This is the first time anything like this has happened to me or to such an extent.
I think it is a shift in power. We had done the work at their house, we pay for the holiday etc. I actually thought he told me to shut up. My mom says he said give it a rest.
I have emailed him an apology a few days after we got back and text him an apology the day after.
I've spoken to my Mom more she has told me about when they have fallen out before. He has done this to her on a much more low key level lots of times before. Often around potentially enjoyable events. It's making much more sense now.
Doesn't look like it will be ending anytime soon.
If he does just start being normal am I crazy to just go along with it? I won't forget.

OP posts:
Dolphinosep0tatoes · 10/08/2025 15:55

erasemybrain · 10/08/2025 15:53

Thank you for all your perspectives. We did let him go the first time he left. I think he was annoyed we were all in bed when he got back. I think he expected us to be up worrying. We normally don't do drama at all. That's why we were all in bed! This is the first time anything like this has happened to me or to such an extent.
I think it is a shift in power. We had done the work at their house, we pay for the holiday etc. I actually thought he told me to shut up. My mom says he said give it a rest.
I have emailed him an apology a few days after we got back and text him an apology the day after.
I've spoken to my Mom more she has told me about when they have fallen out before. He has done this to her on a much more low key level lots of times before. Often around potentially enjoyable events. It's making much more sense now.
Doesn't look like it will be ending anytime soon.
If he does just start being normal am I crazy to just go along with it? I won't forget.

No not crazy, op, sounds entirely reasonable. Grey rock / ignore the bad behaviour like old ignores a toddler's tantrum.
You've done your bit. Don't beat yourself up anymore

BrightGreenPoet · 10/08/2025 15:55

Someone needs to report this to his doctor right away and have him evaluated. It sounds like he may have experienced a medical episode like a mini stroke or he may be in the earlier stages of dementia (just guessing based on what I've seen in my elderly relatives).

I know it sounds little, but I've seen this before and something sounds very wrong.

Fluffyholeysocks · 10/08/2025 15:56

Is that how it works with your Mum? When he decides to act normal presumably she accepts it and forgets about it?
I could never accept him upsetting my kids - no more holidays with him.

Silvertulips · 10/08/2025 15:56

I think you are infantising him. Does he want you to do the work? Does he want you to pay and do all the running around?

Older people aren’t incapable or invisible.

You should at least treat him as an equal. You are rude. I would hate it too.

erasemybrain · 10/08/2025 15:57

@Fluffyholeysocks yep that's exactly what happens. On the night I was upset with myself at having let my kids be exposed to this. I think my want for things to get back to normal has made me forget that.

OP posts:
BrentfordForever · 10/08/2025 15:58

OP your update is quite different

what did you apologise for then?

erasemybrain · 10/08/2025 16:02

@Silvertulips yes they wanted us to do the work. Business hasn't been going well and they couldn't afford to pay anyone. Hence us doing it and paying for the holiday. He does us favours too. Child care lifts etc. in fact be was running the kids round whilst we were working.
I was going to type that we do treat him like an equal but in fact he treats me like a child often. I work in a male dominated profession and definitely feel like I have to prove myself to him.

OP posts:
Flossflower · 10/08/2025 16:02

BrentfordForever · 10/08/2025 14:18

Also “give it a rest” is not snapping

there is an appropriate way to tell someone to mind their own business and it wasn’t the way OP responded

OP’s father was the one who massively overstepped first. You don’t tell someone who is parenting their child to ‘give it a rest’.
I think OP’s father is just not a nice man and up until this time, he had kept his bad side reserved for his wife. Demanding his wife pack for him - what a horrible man.
I think I am one of the few people who think that the others were perfectly OK to physically try and stop him going. Nobody should be driving when they are angry and in a state. It is OK for him to kill himself but not other people on the road.

CustardySergeant · 10/08/2025 16:05

How could you possibly have mistaken "give it a rest" for "shut up"? They sound completely different.

carmak · 10/08/2025 16:07

So he has form and now you're the victim.

He's dug himself into a massive hole, let him stay there.

Fluffyholeysocks · 10/08/2025 16:09

From your update it seems he isn't used to being challenged and isn't used to apologising. It sounds like he sulks, gives your Mum the silent treatment as 'punishment' then acts normally when he is ready. I suppose you either behave as your mother does or you dont - and the silent behaviour will persist until you have apologised enough for his liking.

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