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Help, my masseuse is living rent free in my head

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Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 03:17

Please be gentle. This is my first time posting in relationships and I’m hurting.

Quick background: I’ve been single for years, with a few short relationships here and there. I feel to busy to spend much time dating. I have an extremely interesting and active life, tons of hobbies, sweet kids, and a fantastic career. I also have a tendency for my mind to get obsessive over things, and sometimes this has manifested as obsession over men.

I’ve had a few extreme crushes in my life, or episodes of limerence. I hate it. The more I care, the weirder I get, which makes me feel less like myself and more tormented and unhappy. I don’t want to waste my life pining over an unattainable crush.

Now for what’s happening. For the last year, I’ve been seeing a masseuse at a place where no one speaks English except for a hired translator. It is a one-room spa with curtains, no real privacy, one translator, and everyone can hear everything, so I never really talk. The whole place is like steroids for limerence: cozy setting, dim lighting, and no words, just nudity and oil and slow music. You cannot say much, only touch and be touched. Someone comes into the curtained space and quietly and intimately touches you and occasionally checks that you’re okay. Then you whisper thanks and leave.

From the moment I first went, this male massage therapist walked in, and I felt chemistry. He came in while I was fully undressed, and I asked if that was okay. He said he did not speak any English at all. So I gestured a bunch of ways, and it turned into a comic back-and-forth. We laughed, and then he worked on me very lovingly. That broke the ice, and since then, he has been gentle and affectionate without words. Sometimes, if I have a bruise, he paused to look at it, never in a bad way, just with a little “hmm” or “ohh.” He often goes over time and always goes above and beyond.

Naturally, it was at first light fun, till it lit up my obsessive brain. I don’t like how much time I think about this man that I know nothing about. Recently, I fell off my bike and was pretty banged up. Through gestures and pointing, I told him about it. He seemed especially taken by it. Afterwards, he made a big show of not taking the tip, even jumping back to get away from me. Through the translator, he said he would not accept it because of my injury. I was touched, so next time I gave him a card with a thank you for his kindness with a little gift. On the envelope I put my phone number next to my name.

He has not contacted me. I am not sure if I freaked him out, or if my assumption is correct that he is married with a wife overseas, or something else. I do not know, but I want out of this mental merry-go-round. Do I just stop seeing him? Do I try anything more?

OP posts:
PineConeOrDogPoo · 11/12/2025 09:02

BuckChuckets · 11/12/2025 08:06

Yes, this is beyond bizarre. The only reason I can think is attention?

Since All People Makes Sense All The Time then there will definitely be a reason she did.

@Atetherainbow maybe sit and reflect on your reasons for writing and revisiting this thread.
What could you be missing in your life that you are focussed on getting attention from a person who realistically is not a wise candidate for a relationship with you.

Mewling · 11/12/2025 09:48

Atetherainbow · 10/12/2025 21:38

Personally, I posted here for help.

I think it’s what motivates the majority of people who post on mumsnet. They look for help.

As a commentor, I try to say something that’s helpful. Oftentimes it isn’t what OP wants to hear so I try to say it tactfully.

The responses to this particular thread were just mean.

This site can be amazing. I wish we had something like this in the US. Many here really try to give their view from a serious place. But there are lots of assholes who enjoy hurting others and pretend it’s just facts. I really don’t think it adds anything valuable to anything.

Your behaviour is repulsive. You didn’t post here for help, you posted expecting validation. When you didn’t get it, you pleaded your mental health. You then resurrected a dead thread to castigate the people who were disgusted by your behaviour, telling them that your friends have managed to make you see that there’s nothing wrong with what you were doing. There was, and there is. HTH.

PineConeOrDogPoo · 11/12/2025 09:53

Mewling · 11/12/2025 09:48

Your behaviour is repulsive. You didn’t post here for help, you posted expecting validation. When you didn’t get it, you pleaded your mental health. You then resurrected a dead thread to castigate the people who were disgusted by your behaviour, telling them that your friends have managed to make you see that there’s nothing wrong with what you were doing. There was, and there is. HTH.

HTH? Does that mean Hope That Helps?

PineConeOrDogPoo · 11/12/2025 09:55

I suppose it call also mean Hit The Hut. I remember the old Pizza Hut advert back in the day.

333FionaG · 11/12/2025 12:47

Having resurrected this bizarre thread, are you still hoping for a relationship with your massage therapist?

WLnamechange · 11/12/2025 18:02

333FionaG · 11/12/2025 12:47

Having resurrected this bizarre thread, are you still hoping for a relationship with your massage therapist?

It's one of the creepiest threads I've read on mumsnet and that is saying something. Just why did she come back and start it up again?

GentlemanJay · 11/12/2025 18:22

Think this is posted in the wrong section. Should be in the “fantasies and stories” section. Lol.

Atetherainbow · 11/12/2025 19:26

The other night I was out with friends and showed them the thread. This is with distance of the whole crush having blown over after the card. My friends were quite stunned at the cyber-bullying. It compelled me to leave a comment. And here we are! I’m done with it now.

OP posts:
WLnamechange · 11/12/2025 19:53

Can you not honestly see how strange this is?
Its not cyberbullying to call out weird creepy behaviour. You acknowledged it's very likely they were trafficking victims but still kept going back? And God knows what treatment you had that required you to be totally naked before a massage.
The whole thing is odd and inappropriate.

TwistedWonder · 11/12/2025 19:57

Cyberbullying or being called out for acting like a creepy predator - think we know the answer

outerspacepotato · 11/12/2025 20:07

You came looking for validation that treating a possibly trafficked massage therapist like a sex worker (giving him an envelope of money as tip and your phone # in it because you're crushing on him) was ok. The answer was no.

That's not cyber bullying in any way, shape, or form.

PineConeOrDogPoo · 11/12/2025 21:13

@Atetherainbow

Based on this description of bullying and arguing, I would tend to agree that there has been both of those on this thread in certain places;

If you are arguing, then you are probably trying to establish your “Truth” as the only truth, and get someone else to appear to agree.

Arguing is the verbal behavior of two bullies.

A bully is a person who wants their way and will cause pain for others if they don’t get it.

Arguing is admired in our culture. People often express their power and strength in arguments.

Again, this is only my opinion and my perception by the way words were used in the thread.

murasaki · 11/12/2025 21:21

Its not cyber bullying to point out that the behaviour was inappropriate.

Mewling · 11/12/2025 21:30

Atetherainbow · 11/12/2025 19:26

The other night I was out with friends and showed them the thread. This is with distance of the whole crush having blown over after the card. My friends were quite stunned at the cyber-bullying. It compelled me to leave a comment. And here we are! I’m done with it now.

Are these the friends who told you that sexually harassing a probably trafficked person was ok under the rule of capitalism?

McSpoot · 11/12/2025 21:33

PineConeOrDogPoo · 11/12/2025 21:13

@Atetherainbow

Based on this description of bullying and arguing, I would tend to agree that there has been both of those on this thread in certain places;

If you are arguing, then you are probably trying to establish your “Truth” as the only truth, and get someone else to appear to agree.

Arguing is the verbal behavior of two bullies.

A bully is a person who wants their way and will cause pain for others if they don’t get it.

Arguing is admired in our culture. People often express their power and strength in arguments.

Again, this is only my opinion and my perception by the way words were used in the thread.

Edited

Then by your definition, the OP is bullying others on this thread, just as much as she is being bullied.

BuckChuckets · 11/12/2025 21:39

Atetherainbow · 11/12/2025 19:26

The other night I was out with friends and showed them the thread. This is with distance of the whole crush having blown over after the card. My friends were quite stunned at the cyber-bullying. It compelled me to leave a comment. And here we are! I’m done with it now.

"I’m done with it now."

Suuuuuuuure you are.

BarilynBordeaux · 11/12/2025 23:09

Op you say in your first post:

”I also have a tendency for my mind to get obsessive over things, and sometimes this has manifested as obsession over men.”

Are you getting any kind of therapy for this in general? Are you on any medication? Is this tendency part of a larger pattern? Sometimes we don’t recognise when we’re spiralling into wierd behaviours because they seem relatively normal to us when we live with them all the time. Your comment about your tendency to obsess makes me think this is why you didn’t pick up that this closeness was in your head.

PineConeOrDogPoo · 12/12/2025 06:29

McSpoot · 11/12/2025 21:33

Then by your definition, the OP is bullying others on this thread, just as much as she is being bullied.

It's quite possible. I didn't say otherwise. I just said I think bullying is present.

However there were certain posters who sounded like they were trying to cause pain with their words. I didn't hear that from the OP.

I think she was defending herself by arguing. It wasn't effective and just fired the bullies up more.

PineConeOrDogPoo · 12/12/2025 06:38

murasaki · 11/12/2025 21:21

Its not cyber bullying to point out that the behaviour was inappropriate.

I think it's about the way it is done that makes it bullying.

An opinion that is moderated by "I think" or "I believe " does not come across as bullying.

An opinion, particularly a negative that is stated as fact, does come across as bullying.

That's again just my opinion. Its a viewpoint.

Henryhall · 12/12/2025 06:47

The word "masseuse" means a female who gives massages. You’re confused in more ways than one.

Internaut · 12/12/2025 08:55

Henryhall · 12/12/2025 06:47

The word "masseuse" means a female who gives massages. You’re confused in more ways than one.

Did you seriously think that point hadn't been noticed and ventilated before in four months and almost 200 messages?

WLnamechange · 12/12/2025 11:49

Internaut · 12/12/2025 08:55

Did you seriously think that point hadn't been noticed and ventilated before in four months and almost 200 messages?

Its the least concerning thing to take from OPs posts tbh.

Forthwith81 · 12/12/2025 18:48

What an appalling thread. How can you still try to justify your indefensible behaviour? Accusing others of "cyber-bullying" is absurd. People on this thread have been genuinely horrified by your actions. It's a shame you didn't take to heart the points that have been raised.

Waffling on about "the American dream" while dismissing concerns about human trafficking as "pearl clutching" speaks volumes. In no circumstances would modern slavery be considered an acceptable part of the immigrant experience. For the record, I am a U.S. citizen and the granddaughter of immigrants to the U.S.

JaquelineHide · 12/12/2025 20:00

its5oclocksomewheresurely · 13/08/2025 10:06

cozy setting, dim lighting, and no words, just nudity and oil and slow music. You cannot say much, only touch and be touched. Someone comes into the curtained space and quietly and intimately touches you

Sounds like a happy ending to me! No judgement here - if I was single, I'd consider it (but would chicken out).

Yuck. Sincerely.

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