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Help, my masseuse is living rent free in my head

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Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 03:17

Please be gentle. This is my first time posting in relationships and I’m hurting.

Quick background: I’ve been single for years, with a few short relationships here and there. I feel to busy to spend much time dating. I have an extremely interesting and active life, tons of hobbies, sweet kids, and a fantastic career. I also have a tendency for my mind to get obsessive over things, and sometimes this has manifested as obsession over men.

I’ve had a few extreme crushes in my life, or episodes of limerence. I hate it. The more I care, the weirder I get, which makes me feel less like myself and more tormented and unhappy. I don’t want to waste my life pining over an unattainable crush.

Now for what’s happening. For the last year, I’ve been seeing a masseuse at a place where no one speaks English except for a hired translator. It is a one-room spa with curtains, no real privacy, one translator, and everyone can hear everything, so I never really talk. The whole place is like steroids for limerence: cozy setting, dim lighting, and no words, just nudity and oil and slow music. You cannot say much, only touch and be touched. Someone comes into the curtained space and quietly and intimately touches you and occasionally checks that you’re okay. Then you whisper thanks and leave.

From the moment I first went, this male massage therapist walked in, and I felt chemistry. He came in while I was fully undressed, and I asked if that was okay. He said he did not speak any English at all. So I gestured a bunch of ways, and it turned into a comic back-and-forth. We laughed, and then he worked on me very lovingly. That broke the ice, and since then, he has been gentle and affectionate without words. Sometimes, if I have a bruise, he paused to look at it, never in a bad way, just with a little “hmm” or “ohh.” He often goes over time and always goes above and beyond.

Naturally, it was at first light fun, till it lit up my obsessive brain. I don’t like how much time I think about this man that I know nothing about. Recently, I fell off my bike and was pretty banged up. Through gestures and pointing, I told him about it. He seemed especially taken by it. Afterwards, he made a big show of not taking the tip, even jumping back to get away from me. Through the translator, he said he would not accept it because of my injury. I was touched, so next time I gave him a card with a thank you for his kindness with a little gift. On the envelope I put my phone number next to my name.

He has not contacted me. I am not sure if I freaked him out, or if my assumption is correct that he is married with a wife overseas, or something else. I do not know, but I want out of this mental merry-go-round. Do I just stop seeing him? Do I try anything more?

OP posts:
Lafufufu · 10/08/2025 06:36

Shitstix · 10/08/2025 03:31

This can't be real. You go for a massage at a place that no one speaks Englis, you think your masseuse lovingly massages you and then you tipped him and left your number.

You're trying to give us the female version of a massage with a happy ending.

IF (and I'm not convinced) this is true. You should feel very embarrassed and stop going. Find a female massage therapist.

Yeah just bizarre.

I must have had a 100 massages and never had someone walk in on me fully naked then stand about miming and giggling like a montage from a bad romcom.

And in only male massages I have had the masseuse was very professional.

Then the update implies he's an impoverished modern day slave.
Its a far cry from " I want a guy in finance 6"5 blue eyes"

Start paying £60-80 ph like every other person and find a female masseuse.

mrschocolatte · 10/08/2025 06:36

Yes, withholding your patronage is part of the solution! By funding it you’re feeding it and the cycle continues for the victims. If your head wasn’t wobbling before I hope it’s about to blow clean off now!

Pikuniku · 10/08/2025 06:39

You said he touches you intimately. Is this a legit set up or some sort of brothel?!

TheFatCatSatOnTheMat · 10/08/2025 06:40

Jesus Christ OP you are funding the equivalent of a sweat shop and you have decided you are in love with one of its victims.

This abused man really doesn’t fancy you.

Get some help as your actions and thought process are really not ok.

Judgejudysno1fan · 10/08/2025 06:42

Errr, this massage parlour sounds very seedy.

Why can't you request a female masseuse instead and why are people walking freely naked around the joint. And if it's one giant room or fishbowl as you say, which means one big room where multiple people are getting massages or "treatments" naked. And what the bloody hell is an intimate massage.....??? 🤢

Id also like more detail on your gestures and pointing about you falling off the bike. So, you stood there naked, with your entire breasts and privates on display in a fishbowl room., demonstrating yourself cycling and then falling off ????!!! 😄 🤣 😂

This has to be a joke, surely.

GarlicLitre · 10/08/2025 06:43

You sound deluded and unhinged.

I am VERY rarely rude to people on here, but this is an accurate depiction of you, OP! Let me tell you a tale of my own. I had a comprehensive nervous breakdown in the past. In the couple of years leading up to it, I spent thousands on wellness treatments and 'therapies'. This included a lot of massages, naturally.

I didn't fall in love with any of my practitioners but I did feel very emotional about the ones I visited regularly. Looking back, I was desperate for caring physical touch and someone to be kind to me for an hour. Clearly I was stressed and in need of help; I just failed to accept that I was actually getting very fucked up in the head and needed a different kind of help.

If you swap the spa treatments for psychotherapy, you're very likely to get all limerent about your therapist. The difference is that this is a known phenomenon that a good therapist is trained to handle. Proper therapy will help you deal with the issues that are, currently, making you vulnerable to exploitation and/or charges of sexual assault.

Thanksforyourlackofthought · 10/08/2025 06:44

www.gov.uk/report-immigration-crime

Summerhillsquare · 10/08/2025 06:48

The whole situation and story sounds like it's been written by a man.

Flinderskleepers · 10/08/2025 06:49

It sounds like it's been written by a sex pest!

sorrynotathome · 10/08/2025 06:54

The title is confusing. MASSEUSE is female; MASSEUR is male. (Gender fluidity notwithstanding.)

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 06:54

mrschocolatte · 10/08/2025 06:01

You seem to have a strange moral compass OP. You seem to feel discomfort at the idea of people being used as slave labour but happy to subject one of these people to unwanted and inappropriate advances.

I am not unhinged, I can read a room. I might have had a few crushes in my life, but nothing extraordinary, and I certainly don’t creepily throw myself at people. I know this man has carried my backpack, put it on my shoulders and fixed my hair before I left. I know none of the other service workers have. He’s refused my tip despite working for nothing. He told me in his almost no English he was happy I was back when I was away. I know it’s fun to make me out as a crazy case of a mad obsessed lunatic who throws her clitoris in the face of the massage therapist and I’m happy for you to enjoy coming down at me. But that’s just not it.

I do think PP are right that I need to leave this alone and in that regard this was helpful. I tend to be incredibly cobservation when it comes to putting myself out there (I mean this guy has been my masseur for a year and only now did I make a move by giving him a thank you card) so I thought maybe I should be more aggressive. I’m satisfied to leave the whole thing behind.

OP posts:
Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 06:55

sorrynotathome · 10/08/2025 06:54

The title is confusing. MASSEUSE is female; MASSEUR is male. (Gender fluidity notwithstanding.)

i stand corrected. Technically I should have said massage therapist.

OP posts:
cosietea · 10/08/2025 06:55

You sound like an utter creep. You haven’t failed to recognise the vulnerability of this man and yet think still think it’s ok to make your move.

Don’t go back. Report the place to the authorities instead of enjoying it. Get therapy and maybe focus on the other very many interesting hobbies you claim to have

borntobequiet · 10/08/2025 06:57

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 05:11

I just want to know if it’s just in my head or if there’s a chance he could be interested. I’m a little too in my head for perspective.

It’s in your head. Stop it.

Lafufufu · 10/08/2025 07:00

I know this man has carried my backpack, put it on my shoulders and fixed my hair before I left. I know none of the other service workers have. He’s refused my tip despite working for nothing.

So fucking what?
Who fucking cares?

you want to shack up with a trafficked worker and live some reverse pretty woman fantasy (although JR had a lot more autonomy / liberty than this guy seems to)?

You have children... Cop on

It's in your head.

whyschoolwhy · 10/08/2025 07:01

This is all very reminiscent of an ongoing situation unfolding on TikTok about a woman who fell in love with her psychiatrist and who believes he groomed her into falling in love with him. There is a strong school of thought that this was all in her head, and it has sparked a lot of discussion about therapists and transference. If you're interested, search for Kendra psychiatrist on TikTok.

Thunderpants88 · 10/08/2025 07:02

PipilottaDelicatessa · 10/08/2025 04:59

I don't understand why you asked for advice here, but you're getting upset with everyone who responds. Were you just looking for affirmation?

You're not "hurting," you're lusting after a professional. He's not touching you "intimately" or "lovingly" or "affectionately," he's touching you because he's a masseuse. He touches everyone who comes to see him in exactly the same way. He avoids their bruises and expresses sympathy when they hurt themselves. It's his job.

You say "Nothing inappropriate about tipping? There’s no happy ending involved. I never touched him inappropriately, never made a single move." But you did make a move! You tipped him and GAVE HIM YOUR NUMBER. You're giving him money and asking for sex. You treated him like a prostitute, and you're surprised he hasn't taken you up on your offer.

It's also totally inappropriate that you were naked when he walked in, and THEN you asked him "if that was okay." It was too late by then. You should have asked him before.

If any of this was happening to a male customer with a female masseuse, you would (I hope) immediately understand how inappropriate it is.

Stop with these "stuff happens" and "sheesh, I’m human" excuses for behaviour you know is inappropriate. You can use those excuses for a crush - you can't use them for what you've acknowledged as an obsession, one of a series of obsessions with men, and you can't use them for behaving in a way that constitutes sexual harassment. Stop it.

You say "I never acted on it till he made me feel like he cares a lot," but people who sexually harrass others frequently use this excuse. They persuade themselves that people are giving out signals or invitations when they're not. You're masseuse acted LIKE A MASSEUSE, because that's what he does for a living. It's not an invitation for you to sexually harass him.

If you're "tormented and unhappy," "undone" and "hurting" it's because there's something going on that you need help for. Not from a masseuse you've developed an infatuation with, but from a psychologist or a psychiatrist who can help you to control these obsessions. Sort yourself out before you distress this man further. And in future, don't take your clothes off BEFORE asking a professional if they're okay with that.

Nothing else needs said on the thread. This response nails it

@Atetherainbow read this a few times and really reflect on what @PipilottaDelicatessa said. Ask yourself hard questions and get a female massage therapist

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 07:04

Lafufufu · 10/08/2025 06:36

Yeah just bizarre.

I must have had a 100 massages and never had someone walk in on me fully naked then stand about miming and giggling like a montage from a bad romcom.

And in only male massages I have had the masseuse was very professional.

Then the update implies he's an impoverished modern day slave.
Its a far cry from " I want a guy in finance 6"5 blue eyes"

Start paying £60-80 ph like every other person and find a female masseuse.

🤣 is that what I said??

I was lying under a sheet, for gods sake. He walks in. I say “I don’t wear my clothes, is that okay?” And I asked because there are stretches involved that I thought might require being clothed. So he said “no English” So I said “clothes?” And pointed… etc… there was no giggling. At the end of the session he pointed to his shirt and said “ohhhh! Clothes!” I said, yes! That’s it. There was a bit of a laugh and I kind of felt affection to him. Sometimes I’ll teach him a word or two, sometimes he’ll teach me.

By the way it’s a very nice clean white place in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the US. Not that this takes away from the criticism you all had. I’m just saying to help fill out this story which seemed harder to communicate to express than anything I’ve tried to express to my poor victim masseur.

OP posts:
mrschocolatte · 10/08/2025 07:05

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 06:54

I am not unhinged, I can read a room. I might have had a few crushes in my life, but nothing extraordinary, and I certainly don’t creepily throw myself at people. I know this man has carried my backpack, put it on my shoulders and fixed my hair before I left. I know none of the other service workers have. He’s refused my tip despite working for nothing. He told me in his almost no English he was happy I was back when I was away. I know it’s fun to make me out as a crazy case of a mad obsessed lunatic who throws her clitoris in the face of the massage therapist and I’m happy for you to enjoy coming down at me. But that’s just not it.

I do think PP are right that I need to leave this alone and in that regard this was helpful. I tend to be incredibly cobservation when it comes to putting myself out there (I mean this guy has been my masseur for a year and only now did I make a move by giving him a thank you card) so I thought maybe I should be more aggressive. I’m satisfied to leave the whole thing behind.

I know it’s fun to make me out as a crazy case of a mad obsessed lunatic who throws her clitoris in the face of the massage therapist and I’m happy for you to enjoy coming down at me. But that’s just not it.

i don’t believe I’ve done any of these things, I pointed out that by giving your phone number to this person, in the situation you describe, is an unwarranted advance. Your subsequent updates and lack of insight around your contribution towards modern day slave labour is however shocking.

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 07:06

whyschoolwhy · 10/08/2025 07:01

This is all very reminiscent of an ongoing situation unfolding on TikTok about a woman who fell in love with her psychiatrist and who believes he groomed her into falling in love with him. There is a strong school of thought that this was all in her head, and it has sparked a lot of discussion about therapists and transference. If you're interested, search for Kendra psychiatrist on TikTok.

Sounds interesting. Thanks

OP posts:
Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 07:11

mrschocolatte · 10/08/2025 07:05

I know it’s fun to make me out as a crazy case of a mad obsessed lunatic who throws her clitoris in the face of the massage therapist and I’m happy for you to enjoy coming down at me. But that’s just not it.

i don’t believe I’ve done any of these things, I pointed out that by giving your phone number to this person, in the situation you describe, is an unwarranted advance. Your subsequent updates and lack of insight around your contribution towards modern day slave labour is however shocking.

I appreciate your comment, no problem with it, thanks for taking the time to write it. I was talking to other pp who are calling me a creep and unhinged.

OP posts:
AuntyDepressant · 10/08/2025 07:14

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 06:33

If it’s not slavery, it’s certainly by my book a form of human rights abuse. I don’t see that withholding patronage is the solution. I think these are issues that have to be solved on a systemic level. From my side I feel the role I can pay is tip well, which I do always.

And there you are being a part of that abuse rather than boycotting it. Nice.

PinkFlloyd · 10/08/2025 07:17

Yes it's all in your head. Right from the off you saw an interested man when your OP suggests he was nothing but professional.
You need therapy as your moral compass is off. If you were a man you'd get your arse handed to you for the way you've behaved.

Saponarium · 10/08/2025 07:17

I don't understand all the vitriol on this thread. The whole joint sounds really dodgy, and yes he is a professional, but there is a possibility that the masseur DOES have affection for the OP, especially after a year of seeing each other. I'm not sure how everyone can be so categorically convinced that it's all in the OPs head. People do fancy each other, regularly, that's how babies get made afterall. It would be completely inappropriate to act on that though and it could put him in an extremely vulnerable position in terms of losing his job, financially, and in terms of immigration etc.

IkeaJesusChrist · 10/08/2025 07:18

What the fuck have I just read?