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Help, my masseuse is living rent free in my head

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Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 03:17

Please be gentle. This is my first time posting in relationships and I’m hurting.

Quick background: I’ve been single for years, with a few short relationships here and there. I feel to busy to spend much time dating. I have an extremely interesting and active life, tons of hobbies, sweet kids, and a fantastic career. I also have a tendency for my mind to get obsessive over things, and sometimes this has manifested as obsession over men.

I’ve had a few extreme crushes in my life, or episodes of limerence. I hate it. The more I care, the weirder I get, which makes me feel less like myself and more tormented and unhappy. I don’t want to waste my life pining over an unattainable crush.

Now for what’s happening. For the last year, I’ve been seeing a masseuse at a place where no one speaks English except for a hired translator. It is a one-room spa with curtains, no real privacy, one translator, and everyone can hear everything, so I never really talk. The whole place is like steroids for limerence: cozy setting, dim lighting, and no words, just nudity and oil and slow music. You cannot say much, only touch and be touched. Someone comes into the curtained space and quietly and intimately touches you and occasionally checks that you’re okay. Then you whisper thanks and leave.

From the moment I first went, this male massage therapist walked in, and I felt chemistry. He came in while I was fully undressed, and I asked if that was okay. He said he did not speak any English at all. So I gestured a bunch of ways, and it turned into a comic back-and-forth. We laughed, and then he worked on me very lovingly. That broke the ice, and since then, he has been gentle and affectionate without words. Sometimes, if I have a bruise, he paused to look at it, never in a bad way, just with a little “hmm” or “ohh.” He often goes over time and always goes above and beyond.

Naturally, it was at first light fun, till it lit up my obsessive brain. I don’t like how much time I think about this man that I know nothing about. Recently, I fell off my bike and was pretty banged up. Through gestures and pointing, I told him about it. He seemed especially taken by it. Afterwards, he made a big show of not taking the tip, even jumping back to get away from me. Through the translator, he said he would not accept it because of my injury. I was touched, so next time I gave him a card with a thank you for his kindness with a little gift. On the envelope I put my phone number next to my name.

He has not contacted me. I am not sure if I freaked him out, or if my assumption is correct that he is married with a wife overseas, or something else. I do not know, but I want out of this mental merry-go-round. Do I just stop seeing him? Do I try anything more?

OP posts:
JackKillianthenighthawk · 10/08/2025 08:44

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 03:17

Please be gentle. This is my first time posting in relationships and I’m hurting.

Quick background: I’ve been single for years, with a few short relationships here and there. I feel to busy to spend much time dating. I have an extremely interesting and active life, tons of hobbies, sweet kids, and a fantastic career. I also have a tendency for my mind to get obsessive over things, and sometimes this has manifested as obsession over men.

I’ve had a few extreme crushes in my life, or episodes of limerence. I hate it. The more I care, the weirder I get, which makes me feel less like myself and more tormented and unhappy. I don’t want to waste my life pining over an unattainable crush.

Now for what’s happening. For the last year, I’ve been seeing a masseuse at a place where no one speaks English except for a hired translator. It is a one-room spa with curtains, no real privacy, one translator, and everyone can hear everything, so I never really talk. The whole place is like steroids for limerence: cozy setting, dim lighting, and no words, just nudity and oil and slow music. You cannot say much, only touch and be touched. Someone comes into the curtained space and quietly and intimately touches you and occasionally checks that you’re okay. Then you whisper thanks and leave.

From the moment I first went, this male massage therapist walked in, and I felt chemistry. He came in while I was fully undressed, and I asked if that was okay. He said he did not speak any English at all. So I gestured a bunch of ways, and it turned into a comic back-and-forth. We laughed, and then he worked on me very lovingly. That broke the ice, and since then, he has been gentle and affectionate without words. Sometimes, if I have a bruise, he paused to look at it, never in a bad way, just with a little “hmm” or “ohh.” He often goes over time and always goes above and beyond.

Naturally, it was at first light fun, till it lit up my obsessive brain. I don’t like how much time I think about this man that I know nothing about. Recently, I fell off my bike and was pretty banged up. Through gestures and pointing, I told him about it. He seemed especially taken by it. Afterwards, he made a big show of not taking the tip, even jumping back to get away from me. Through the translator, he said he would not accept it because of my injury. I was touched, so next time I gave him a card with a thank you for his kindness with a little gift. On the envelope I put my phone number next to my name.

He has not contacted me. I am not sure if I freaked him out, or if my assumption is correct that he is married with a wife overseas, or something else. I do not know, but I want out of this mental merry-go-round. Do I just stop seeing him? Do I try anything more?

I think you've been brave in posting this. There possibly is some chemistry between you and him but then the fact that he is touching you intimately is probably clouding the matter and releasing happy chemicals into your brain making you think you have more feelings for him than you do. If he hasn't contacted you then he doesn't want to or more likely isn't allowed to so I wouldn't do anything more. I would personally move on. Good luck

Judgejudysno1fan · 10/08/2025 08:46

You can only touch and be touched and not say much !!!! 🤮🤢🥴🫤

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 08:46

JackKillianthenighthawk · 10/08/2025 08:44

I think you've been brave in posting this. There possibly is some chemistry between you and him but then the fact that he is touching you intimately is probably clouding the matter and releasing happy chemicals into your brain making you think you have more feelings for him than you do. If he hasn't contacted you then he doesn't want to or more likely isn't allowed to so I wouldn't do anything more. I would personally move on. Good luck

Thank you so much. This has really helped. I’m turning over a page. Appreciate your kindness.

OP posts:
Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 08:55

BlueEyedBogWitch · 10/08/2025 08:19

Is he Barry from Hull?

No he’s Tarzan

OP posts:
Internaut · 10/08/2025 08:56

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 05:11

I just want to know if it’s just in my head or if there’s a chance he could be interested. I’m a little too in my head for perspective.

No, there is no chance he's interested. He's doing his job, you are just one of around 30 different people he works with every week. You need to cancel these massages. If you need something of the sort, go somewhere else with masseuses and no masseurs.

Internaut · 10/08/2025 08:59

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 06:33

If it’s not slavery, it’s certainly by my book a form of human rights abuse. I don’t see that withholding patronage is the solution. I think these are issues that have to be solved on a systemic level. From my side I feel the role I can pay is tip well, which I do always.

Oh, FFS. If people didn't go to these massage places, there would be no incentive to traffic in modern slaves to staff them. Of course withholding patronage is the solution.

Internaut · 10/08/2025 09:05

IkeaJesusChrist · 10/08/2025 07:18

What the fuck have I just read?

Don't you know?

EveningSpread · 10/08/2025 09:11

I think the two problems here are the very unequal power dynamic, and the likely projection on your part. He speaks no English, but of course acts very courteously (it’s his job and he wants you to come back) so you’re imagining a connection that isn’t there for him.

In reality you know nothing about this man as a person. You’re touched (pardon the pun!) by his caring attitude. Do you lack care and physical touch in everyday life? That would explain why you’re feeling like this. Sorry if that’s the case 💐

I think you should find a new massage place, or it will be very awkward. You’ve put him in a difficult position.

Mewling · 10/08/2025 09:20

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 06:33

If it’s not slavery, it’s certainly by my book a form of human rights abuse. I don’t see that withholding patronage is the solution. I think these are issues that have to be solved on a systemic level. From my side I feel the role I can pay is tip well, which I do always.

That’s quite a take there OP. Guess you don’t mind that these workers are quite frequently subject to violence? Just as long as you get to feed your obsession?

EnjoythemoneyJane · 10/08/2025 09:20

JackKillianthenighthawk · 10/08/2025 08:44

I think you've been brave in posting this. There possibly is some chemistry between you and him but then the fact that he is touching you intimately is probably clouding the matter and releasing happy chemicals into your brain making you think you have more feelings for him than you do. If he hasn't contacted you then he doesn't want to or more likely isn't allowed to so I wouldn't do anything more. I would personally move on. Good luck

Good grief. Are you reading the same thing as the rest of us?

If this is even real (unlikely), the poster’s delusional romanticised ramblings and main character syndrome are less the issue here than her patronage of a curtained, whispering 24/7 clip joint where clients can ‘touch and be touched’ (WTAF?!) and no one speaks English (which apparently results in some gently comedic communication which should give us all a rosy glow - awww).

The ‘chemistry’ you’re wittering on about is her sexual harassment of a potentially trafficked person. But it’s all ok because loooooove. And she tips well.

I’m assuming this is goady bullshit, but if not it’s horrifying.

WonderingWanda · 10/08/2025 09:23

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 05:47

Yeah definitely true. Chinese workers working 6 days a week, 12 hour shifts, for pennies. I’ve often been so uncomfortable with the moral implications. I’m not sure how avoiding it would help things, but many times I’ve not gone because the whole situation is reminiscent of slave labor to me. It also looks like these workers all smoke like chimneys to keep going for so many hours. Very sad.

Well by not paying money into it you aren't lining the pockets of the exploiters.

paisano1 · 10/08/2025 09:24

I am Chinese and been to spas all over Asia from the cheap ten pound an hour ones to Bangyan Tree resorts at 200 USD a treatment. I will tell you this.
Tips are appreciated but not obligatory.

Your masseuse turned down your tip because you crossed the line.
You are putting his job in danger and he knows it. He doesn't know if you are some crazy woman who will come onto him, and then make a false claim of harrassment.

He is helping you put up your hair, and helping you put on your back pack because he wants you to hurry up and vacate the room, (espcially if you overrun ) to have a quick turnaround for the next customer. He doesn't want you in there slowly fixing your hair, and wasting time. Here's your backpack...scoot.

He is not interested in you. He has made no moves on you. He is being polite.
He refused your tip (not because of your injury - even though he said it ).
Leave the man alone.

JifNtGif · 10/08/2025 09:25

Good on you OP for "only making a move after a year" on your massage therapist. Now stop your creepy crazy behaviour for everyone's sake.

Agapornis · 10/08/2025 09:28

Have you considered that he very likely doesn't get to keep the tips? He will likely be in debt bondage meaning he has an ever-growing debt, and the human traffickers have confiscated his passport. Your money is going straight to the traffickers.

Here's an American website explaining:
https://www.endslaverynow.org/learn/slavery-today/bonded-labor

If you are really interested in his wellbeing, safety and happiness, you need to report this. He is a victim.

Bonded Labor | Debt Bondage or Peonage - End Slavery Now

Bonded labor is an employment agreement where the worker starts with a debt to repay only to find that repayment of the loan is impossible.

https://www.endslaverynow.org/learn/slavery-today/bonded-labor

Nibb · 10/08/2025 09:30

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Ha ha. You are not kidding!

Bizarre read this one!

KhakiOrca · 10/08/2025 09:34

Well since you have already given him your phone number, why don't you stop going there for a while and see if he contacts you?

SirRaymondClench · 10/08/2025 10:05

So you believe this is a human rights abuse of (potentially trafficked?) Chinese people and you're happy to keep using this service because you fancy the slave you're tipping?

isolate34 · 10/08/2025 10:21

SirRaymondClench · 10/08/2025 10:05

So you believe this is a human rights abuse of (potentially trafficked?) Chinese people and you're happy to keep using this service because you fancy the slave you're tipping?

And also op very naively believes her tops are actually going to this man and not his bosses 🙄🙄😂

EarthSight · 10/08/2025 10:26

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 05:47

Yeah definitely true. Chinese workers working 6 days a week, 12 hour shifts, for pennies. I’ve often been so uncomfortable with the moral implications. I’m not sure how avoiding it would help things, but many times I’ve not gone because the whole situation is reminiscent of slave labor to me. It also looks like these workers all smoke like chimneys to keep going for so many hours. Very sad.

Then why the fuck would you still go???

I’m not sure how avoiding it would help things

What?? That's like a man going to a brothel, seeing that hardly any of the girls speak any English and come from troubled Eastern European countries, feel something's off, and then STILL goes despite knowing why & how they've probably ended up there, thinking 'Oh well, I'm not sure how it's going to improve things for them if I don't go'.

Of all the places you could go for a massage, you picked this one where almost no one speaks English.

You're ripe for trouble OP. If you don't get your feet on the ground I can see you as one of those middle aged women who end up with a much younger, foreign man, then getting scammed or put in danger, and the impact that will have for your children.

This situation is not normal has inequality built into it. I think you should go cold turkey on any massages with men in future.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 10/08/2025 12:50

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 07:42

Yes, this is it! So the receptionist is the translator. They have that to make the whole experience more appealing to the yuppie crowd. So proper bilingual receptionists to give it a more professional feel.

I know many other places that the receptionists are just the workers and it’s a riot of translation.

But yeah he’s brought his phone into the curtained space / room sometimes and talked to me through it. I don’t like it because you need to talk out loud. His sessions always go over in time, and we’ve managed to eke out enough conversation that he knows the basics about me but I know nothing about him.

I doubt very much the 'bilingual translator' is there for any of the reasons you've stated. More likely that they need a front of house person capable of understanding English to deal with customer enqueries. Not to 'appeal to a yuppie crowd' whatever that means. I doubt this is the sort of establishment that wants a full health run-down from you and offers a pre-treatment consultation to understand what you are hoping to achieve from having a massage.

Whatever is going on, the man hasn't phoned you so he's not into you.

What is the reason for engaging you in conversation using google translate? What is the general gist of the conversation? Is it strictly about massage and your bike unjuries?

bungobungobungo · 10/08/2025 14:29

HarlanPepper · 10/08/2025 05:52

Not that it matters, but I can't stop myself: if he's male, he's a masseur, not a masseuse.

Ha me too!

murasaki · 10/08/2025 15:11

Google De Clerambault syndrome.

PIayer456 · 10/08/2025 15:56

And if any of this is real…

OP, do you not see the issues with being naked in a confined space with a man who has a mobile phone with him?

If you don’t believe morally that using the services of an illegal business like this is a root cause of people trafficking, I assume you will also have no issues with surreptitious naked photos of you ending up online?

LucyMonth · 10/08/2025 16:15

This reminds me so much of the men who insist their barista is secretly in love with them because she always smiles when she hands over his coffee.

Mewling · 10/08/2025 16:45

This is the weirdest thread I’ve seen for a while.