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Help, my masseuse is living rent free in my head

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Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 03:17

Please be gentle. This is my first time posting in relationships and I’m hurting.

Quick background: I’ve been single for years, with a few short relationships here and there. I feel to busy to spend much time dating. I have an extremely interesting and active life, tons of hobbies, sweet kids, and a fantastic career. I also have a tendency for my mind to get obsessive over things, and sometimes this has manifested as obsession over men.

I’ve had a few extreme crushes in my life, or episodes of limerence. I hate it. The more I care, the weirder I get, which makes me feel less like myself and more tormented and unhappy. I don’t want to waste my life pining over an unattainable crush.

Now for what’s happening. For the last year, I’ve been seeing a masseuse at a place where no one speaks English except for a hired translator. It is a one-room spa with curtains, no real privacy, one translator, and everyone can hear everything, so I never really talk. The whole place is like steroids for limerence: cozy setting, dim lighting, and no words, just nudity and oil and slow music. You cannot say much, only touch and be touched. Someone comes into the curtained space and quietly and intimately touches you and occasionally checks that you’re okay. Then you whisper thanks and leave.

From the moment I first went, this male massage therapist walked in, and I felt chemistry. He came in while I was fully undressed, and I asked if that was okay. He said he did not speak any English at all. So I gestured a bunch of ways, and it turned into a comic back-and-forth. We laughed, and then he worked on me very lovingly. That broke the ice, and since then, he has been gentle and affectionate without words. Sometimes, if I have a bruise, he paused to look at it, never in a bad way, just with a little “hmm” or “ohh.” He often goes over time and always goes above and beyond.

Naturally, it was at first light fun, till it lit up my obsessive brain. I don’t like how much time I think about this man that I know nothing about. Recently, I fell off my bike and was pretty banged up. Through gestures and pointing, I told him about it. He seemed especially taken by it. Afterwards, he made a big show of not taking the tip, even jumping back to get away from me. Through the translator, he said he would not accept it because of my injury. I was touched, so next time I gave him a card with a thank you for his kindness with a little gift. On the envelope I put my phone number next to my name.

He has not contacted me. I am not sure if I freaked him out, or if my assumption is correct that he is married with a wife overseas, or something else. I do not know, but I want out of this mental merry-go-round. Do I just stop seeing him? Do I try anything more?

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Mousehi · 10/08/2025 07:22

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HelloHattie · 10/08/2025 07:24

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 06:33

If it’s not slavery, it’s certainly by my book a form of human rights abuse. I don’t see that withholding patronage is the solution. I think these are issues that have to be solved on a systemic level. From my side I feel the role I can pay is tip well, which I do always.

What? You are kidding right? You know these slaves won’t get to keep a penny of the tip.

If people like you didn’t go to them they wouldn’t exist. Those poor people.

chatgptsbestmate · 10/08/2025 07:26

He's in a professional setting (well....it sounds a bit weird, but I'm guessing it IS professional) and you've handed over your phone number (which I'm assuming the therapists already have access to, on your file) on a thank you card?

Respectfully you sound very young and emotionally confused

He might fancy you or he might not, but as a professional he can't act on that as your masseur

If you want to ask him out, stop going there, stop being a client, and send him a note asking him for a date/coffee

I imagine he's married with 3 kids, a dog and a huge mortgage

......and he'll ignore you

HelloHattie · 10/08/2025 07:28

Is it a yoni massage? And what do you mean by all you can do is touch and be touched? Are you touching him back? 🤣🤣🤣

daisychain01 · 10/08/2025 07:30

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 05:11

I just want to know if it’s just in my head or if there’s a chance he could be interested. I’m a little too in my head for perspective.

It's 100% in your head. A figment of your imagination.

Move on and stop wasting your time.

InWalksBarberalla · 10/08/2025 07:32

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 06:33

If it’s not slavery, it’s certainly by my book a form of human rights abuse. I don’t see that withholding patronage is the solution. I think these are issues that have to be solved on a systemic level. From my side I feel the role I can pay is tip well, which I do always.

So you think it's likely slavery, or some form of human rights abuse - and you've described it as below. That's as creepy as all get out. If people like you stopped providing demand for this service then these people have a better chance of freedom.

cozy setting, dim lighting, and no words, just nudity and oil and slow music. You cannot say much, only touch and be touched. Someone comes into the curtained space and quietly and intimately touches you and occasionally checks that you’re okay.

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 07:33

Saponarium · 10/08/2025 07:17

I don't understand all the vitriol on this thread. The whole joint sounds really dodgy, and yes he is a professional, but there is a possibility that the masseur DOES have affection for the OP, especially after a year of seeing each other. I'm not sure how everyone can be so categorically convinced that it's all in the OPs head. People do fancy each other, regularly, that's how babies get made afterall. It would be completely inappropriate to act on that though and it could put him in an extremely vulnerable position in terms of losing his job, financially, and in terms of immigration etc.

Yes, thank you. My read is - and again, I’ve obviously got clouded judgement - that he likes me … at least as a friend/person… but will keep it all above board and professional. I don’t know why but what he has on the line by working this job fresh off the boat might have much to do with it.

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AuntyDepressant · 10/08/2025 07:34

Saponarium · 10/08/2025 07:17

I don't understand all the vitriol on this thread. The whole joint sounds really dodgy, and yes he is a professional, but there is a possibility that the masseur DOES have affection for the OP, especially after a year of seeing each other. I'm not sure how everyone can be so categorically convinced that it's all in the OPs head. People do fancy each other, regularly, that's how babies get made afterall. It would be completely inappropriate to act on that though and it could put him in an extremely vulnerable position in terms of losing his job, financially, and in terms of immigration etc.

Perhaps I can help you? OP believes these people are victims of human rights abuse (ie most likely being trafficked), but is happy to be a part of that abuse by supplying a demand. And you don't understand the vitriol? Believing someone is a victim of human rights abuses but being a willing part of that abuse by paying for the service of an establishment you know is dodgy as fuck is disgusting. Does that help you out at all?

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 10/08/2025 07:36

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 04:59

He can text me! He’s used google translate with me a few times to communicate so he obviously can do text. He has tried to talk to me by using speech input on his phone but I feel super uncomfortable talking to him there via google translate because it’s a fishbowl and everyone hears everything. But I’d talk to him via text. I just want to know if I’m crazy and imagining things, in which case I’d stop seeing him, or if he’s expressing something to me.

I've been for absolutely loads of massages where the masseuse or masseur speaks hardly any English, or none at all. I went weekly for several years to a place where all the ladies were Thai and spoke virtually no English. Plus I always get massages several times a week when I am on holiday in Asia. I am mystified by this place that provides a translator. Confused

I also find it hard to believe that he has time to converse with you via google translate. Firstly there is a translator, so.... Also the rooms are dimly lit and very quiet. The appointments are fairly strictly time controlled. You are in and out with no real need for any conversation. You'd have told the receptionist which type of massage you require upon arrival or booking and the therapist knows this, and just gets on and does it.

The most conversation I've ever experienced is that they might ask 'Where pain?' or 'you want firm pressure?' before starting. they've usually learned just enough basic phrases in English that they are likely to need such as 'turn over please' or 'take off bra.' If it's not a sports physio massage (which would be in a different environment altogether) I can't imagine why any conversation is even necessary.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 10/08/2025 07:37

Also odd in this kind of place that you get the same bloke every time. Unless you specifically request him.

allthesmallthingsarehere · 10/08/2025 07:41

You do realise he's being abused and may well have suffered consequences for your 'little gift'?

I seriously hope this is all made up because if it isn't, I am really judging you as a human being.

This is all in your head and worse, you are complicit in what sounds like very illegal behaviour that is directly impacting on another.

Bigearringsbigsmile · 10/08/2025 07:42

I feel grubby just reading this. Yuk.

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 07:42

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 10/08/2025 07:36

I've been for absolutely loads of massages where the masseuse or masseur speaks hardly any English, or none at all. I went weekly for several years to a place where all the ladies were Thai and spoke virtually no English. Plus I always get massages several times a week when I am on holiday in Asia. I am mystified by this place that provides a translator. Confused

I also find it hard to believe that he has time to converse with you via google translate. Firstly there is a translator, so.... Also the rooms are dimly lit and very quiet. The appointments are fairly strictly time controlled. You are in and out with no real need for any conversation. You'd have told the receptionist which type of massage you require upon arrival or booking and the therapist knows this, and just gets on and does it.

The most conversation I've ever experienced is that they might ask 'Where pain?' or 'you want firm pressure?' before starting. they've usually learned just enough basic phrases in English that they are likely to need such as 'turn over please' or 'take off bra.' If it's not a sports physio massage (which would be in a different environment altogether) I can't imagine why any conversation is even necessary.

Yes, this is it! So the receptionist is the translator. They have that to make the whole experience more appealing to the yuppie crowd. So proper bilingual receptionists to give it a more professional feel.

I know many other places that the receptionists are just the workers and it’s a riot of translation.

But yeah he’s brought his phone into the curtained space / room sometimes and talked to me through it. I don’t like it because you need to talk out loud. His sessions always go over in time, and we’ve managed to eke out enough conversation that he knows the basics about me but I know nothing about him.

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Whatatodo79 · 10/08/2025 07:43

Its in your head. I would be certain. Sorry. This man's living is based on making his clients feel like they are the most important thing to him (during that appointment). You should stop going if you can't separate fantasy from reality. You sound very lonely. Can you consider trying to meet some people in real life, and spend less time living in your head? Bike riding is a great way to meet people in clubs or planned rides etc, and having had the accident is a great route in to explain why you want to improve your cycling confidence etc
real life is happening right now OP and passing you by, stop dreaming start doing

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 07:44

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 10/08/2025 07:37

Also odd in this kind of place that you get the same bloke every time. Unless you specifically request him.

He’s the only one on staff that does a specific treatment which I find really helpful for some issues I have. I started to go there because they have this treatment.

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TwistedWonder · 10/08/2025 07:45

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Roll on September and the bonkers threads might calm down a bit.

Its like Jackonory on here since kids broke up

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 07:45

Whatatodo79 · 10/08/2025 07:43

Its in your head. I would be certain. Sorry. This man's living is based on making his clients feel like they are the most important thing to him (during that appointment). You should stop going if you can't separate fantasy from reality. You sound very lonely. Can you consider trying to meet some people in real life, and spend less time living in your head? Bike riding is a great way to meet people in clubs or planned rides etc, and having had the accident is a great route in to explain why you want to improve your cycling confidence etc
real life is happening right now OP and passing you by, stop dreaming start doing

You’re not wrong, thanks for the pep talk. I’m full of life and enjoying life so much but I need a boyfriend.

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RedRec · 10/08/2025 07:46

Anyone remember the old 'Forum' soft porn magazine? This reads just like the start of one of their stories.

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 07:49

TwistedWonder · 10/08/2025 07:45

Roll on September and the bonkers threads might calm down a bit.

Its like Jackonory on here since kids broke up

I’m real and post here on another name. I’m also frustrated with the fake posts on mumsnet so I can’t blame ya all for not believing. But me; in my full creepy, sex obsessed, stalker, trafficker, abuser and delusional unhinged madwoman - I do exist and this dilemma is real.

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blackrabbitwhiterabbit · 10/08/2025 07:49

OP, I was in a 'very wealthy' part of the states last year, yet there were still these places where workers had obviously been trafficked and were working long hours for a pittance. There were signs everywhere in the city warning about human trafficking and how to report it.
Why would you even go there?

HappydaysArehere · 10/08/2025 07:50

Beeinalily · 10/08/2025 04:41

What would be the point of him phoning you, if he speaks no English?

. This. All sounds made up. Are you having a bit of fun with us.

healthybychristmas · 10/08/2025 07:51

Do people really go and take their clothes off in this sort of environment? It sounds like the seediest fucking place I've ever heard of.

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 07:54

HappydaysArehere · 10/08/2025 07:50

. This. All sounds made up. Are you having a bit of fun with us.

Not having fun with you. I really came here totally confused about my feelings for this man. It was helpful. But I do enjoy the hyperbole in the responses though, I will say.

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BlueandPinkSwan · 10/08/2025 07:55

Okthenguys · 10/08/2025 06:24

Everything that @PipilottaDelicatessa said. Please stop trying to make this something romantic and harmless. You sound deluded and unhinged. And as PP have said - this establishment sounds illegal and possibly trafficking people which is a much bigger problem than your imaginary romance.

All sounds really grim tbh.

Glitchymn1 · 10/08/2025 07:56

“He’s refused my tip despite working for nothing”. That’s illegal, modern day slavery and this sounds like a sex shop where the workers are abused and exploited by the people who go there. I’d be reporting it to the authorities.