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Help, my masseuse is living rent free in my head

199 replies

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 03:17

Please be gentle. This is my first time posting in relationships and I’m hurting.

Quick background: I’ve been single for years, with a few short relationships here and there. I feel to busy to spend much time dating. I have an extremely interesting and active life, tons of hobbies, sweet kids, and a fantastic career. I also have a tendency for my mind to get obsessive over things, and sometimes this has manifested as obsession over men.

I’ve had a few extreme crushes in my life, or episodes of limerence. I hate it. The more I care, the weirder I get, which makes me feel less like myself and more tormented and unhappy. I don’t want to waste my life pining over an unattainable crush.

Now for what’s happening. For the last year, I’ve been seeing a masseuse at a place where no one speaks English except for a hired translator. It is a one-room spa with curtains, no real privacy, one translator, and everyone can hear everything, so I never really talk. The whole place is like steroids for limerence: cozy setting, dim lighting, and no words, just nudity and oil and slow music. You cannot say much, only touch and be touched. Someone comes into the curtained space and quietly and intimately touches you and occasionally checks that you’re okay. Then you whisper thanks and leave.

From the moment I first went, this male massage therapist walked in, and I felt chemistry. He came in while I was fully undressed, and I asked if that was okay. He said he did not speak any English at all. So I gestured a bunch of ways, and it turned into a comic back-and-forth. We laughed, and then he worked on me very lovingly. That broke the ice, and since then, he has been gentle and affectionate without words. Sometimes, if I have a bruise, he paused to look at it, never in a bad way, just with a little “hmm” or “ohh.” He often goes over time and always goes above and beyond.

Naturally, it was at first light fun, till it lit up my obsessive brain. I don’t like how much time I think about this man that I know nothing about. Recently, I fell off my bike and was pretty banged up. Through gestures and pointing, I told him about it. He seemed especially taken by it. Afterwards, he made a big show of not taking the tip, even jumping back to get away from me. Through the translator, he said he would not accept it because of my injury. I was touched, so next time I gave him a card with a thank you for his kindness with a little gift. On the envelope I put my phone number next to my name.

He has not contacted me. I am not sure if I freaked him out, or if my assumption is correct that he is married with a wife overseas, or something else. I do not know, but I want out of this mental merry-go-round. Do I just stop seeing him? Do I try anything more?

OP posts:
PIayer456 · 10/08/2025 17:41

LucyMonth · 10/08/2025 16:15

This reminds me so much of the men who insist their barista is secretly in love with them because she always smiles when she hands over his coffee.

Or men who insist that sex workers just really love having sex.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 10/08/2025 17:50

Everyone needs to stop calling this bloke a massuese.

He's a masseur. A massuese is a woman.

sorrynotathome · 11/08/2025 06:31

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 10/08/2025 17:50

Everyone needs to stop calling this bloke a massuese.

He's a masseur. A massuese is a woman.

Already been said several times and OP acknowledged it. It’s masseuse though, not massuese.

AnotherGreyMorning · 11/08/2025 07:58

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 04:59

He can text me! He’s used google translate with me a few times to communicate so he obviously can do text. He has tried to talk to me by using speech input on his phone but I feel super uncomfortable talking to him there via google translate because it’s a fishbowl and everyone hears everything. But I’d talk to him via text. I just want to know if I’m crazy and imagining things, in which case I’d stop seeing him, or if he’s expressing something to me.

He is a masseuse. He doesn’t want more. You probably have freaked him out. Leave it now and save your dignity.

EveningSpread · 13/08/2025 09:36

LucyMonth · 10/08/2025 16:15

This reminds me so much of the men who insist their barista is secretly in love with them because she always smiles when she hands over his coffee.

This with bells on

its5oclocksomewheresurely · 13/08/2025 10:06

cozy setting, dim lighting, and no words, just nudity and oil and slow music. You cannot say much, only touch and be touched. Someone comes into the curtained space and quietly and intimately touches you

Sounds like a happy ending to me! No judgement here - if I was single, I'd consider it (but would chicken out).

StuCCoast · 19/09/2025 14:53

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Meandmyguy · 19/09/2025 15:09

Op, behave will ya.

Atetherainbow · 07/12/2025 22:57

So for the record, to come around to this thread, here’s an update:

-I was locked out of my mumsnet account as a result of this thread. One minute I was desperately explaining myself (while sitting at the hospital bedside of a very sick relative up through the night) and then next minute I got a log in screen and couldn’t log in. Apparently it was decided I was trolling, even tho I repeatedly explained the circumstances. And really what’s so outlandish about a crush? They restored my account after I emailed them the following morning. It was so upsetting because I’m quite active here on another handle and lost access to everything.

-the advice here was mean, horrible, off the mark and totally damaging. It really seeped into my head that I was harassing/molesting a man even though I knew in my heart of hearts that it wasn’t true. It took my friends knowing the situation and me having a lot of distance to see it for what it is. I posted asking how to deal with a crush and instead of getting useable advice was left feeling like a monster. It’s months later and I’m still hurting over it.

-would never post here for advice again, but as much as possible, when I see a nasty pile on like this on mumsnet, I try to say something to be kind to the op: I really believe it can to a long way and am grateful for the few commenters here who didn’t twist everything I said and showed kindness.

-it’s ridiculous that on a women’s site women should constantly wear “what if a man did this” creating these tiresome false equivalencies. As if a woman at a male masseur is really like a man at a strip club. Never wondering if maybe when you lie naked with a male practitioner maybe he might be guilty of something as well? Maybe he knows how to set boundaries or maybe he is playing a role? You’d think men at the sight of naked vulnerable women are usually saints!

It’s amazing how much this thread affected me but I’m a sensitive person and too often mistrust my own judgement. Yes, lots of posters here have amazing thick skin but that doesn’t make the way these pile ons go down right.

OP posts:
LoyalMember · 07/12/2025 23:11

Beeinalily · 10/08/2025 04:41

What would be the point of him phoning you, if he speaks no English?

😆😂😁

ChersHandbag · 08/12/2025 12:04

HI OP, what sort of place was this? Was it an erotic massage?

Atetherainbow · 08/12/2025 16:54

No it was a Chinese massage place. They do strictly no hanky panky (one place near me literally has a sign saying exactly this, another says “no sexual favors, don’t even ask!”) I go to the one near my work for facials, massages, cupping and other treatments. I somehow developed feelings for this guy I see regularly for a specific service but it’s kind of mellowed. I don’t think I ever touched him inappropriately or him me.

OP posts:
Thanksforyourlackofthought · 08/12/2025 20:08

You don’t THINK????? Surely you know?????

SliceofTosst · 08/12/2025 20:54

Beeinalily · 10/08/2025 04:41

What would be the point of him phoning you, if he speaks no English?

😂

Atetherainbow · 08/12/2025 21:07

Thanksforyourlackofthought · 08/12/2025 20:08

You don’t THINK????? Surely you know?????

🙄 In spaces of touch there are times you are unsure if something crossed a line. Say, you said thanks to someone and gave a hug. Was that appropriate? You think so, but maybe they took it another way. Do I need to explain this? The reading comprehension here makes me feel like explaining being human to aliens.

OP posts:
Thanksforyourlackofthought · 08/12/2025 21:19

Your comprehension of societal norm is extremely hard to comprehend. You mention Limerence, inappropriate behaviour, intimacy. Tell you what love, you sort yourself out. And don’t forget to leave your money on the side on your way out.
But not your phone number.
He’s just not that into you

InWalksBarberalla · 08/12/2025 21:41

Why are you touching your massage therapist at all ??

MySilentLions · 08/12/2025 22:31

Totally agree with @PipilottaDelicatessa

If a man was sat naked waiting for a female masseuse, everyone would be saying what a creep. Standard practice in the UK is to keep pants on, if rolled down a little for lower back massage.

I would advise not returning to this place and finding a massage therapist that you can treat with respect and professionalism and not make them the object of your obsession.

Atetherainbow · 08/12/2025 22:59

InWalksBarberalla · 08/12/2025 21:41

Why are you touching your massage therapist at all ??

Because a lot of it involves him placing my hands into his or on his body for various maneuvers. Think how you might touch a dancing partner.

OP posts:
wineosaurusrex · 08/12/2025 23:04

OP you genuinely sound lovely - intelligent and reflective and genuine, and this situation with the masseuse could happen to anyone.

Mumsnet is full of tedious, boring people who have no excitement in their real lives so get a kick out of bullying people online to make themselves feel smug and superior.

Dont let them get you down.

Atetherainbow · 08/12/2025 23:23

I literally have tears in my eyes. Thanks for the kindness. This thread has really made me feel bad at a time I was dealing with a lot with a loved one ill and this crush was an agonizing distraction. Thanks for the words.

OP posts:
MySilentLions · 09/12/2025 10:17

Atetherainbow · 10/08/2025 06:33

If it’s not slavery, it’s certainly by my book a form of human rights abuse. I don’t see that withholding patronage is the solution. I think these are issues that have to be solved on a systemic level. From my side I feel the role I can pay is tip well, which I do always.

wtf? How about reporting to the police? That might do more good than paying the traffickers.

McSpoot · 09/12/2025 10:42

There hadn't been posts on this thread for almost three months, but you felt the need to reopen it to tell people how bad the thread had made you feel (again, made you feel three months ago) so that you could get it all started again. Makes no sense at all.

PineConeOrDogPoo · 09/12/2025 11:37

Atetherainbow · 08/12/2025 23:23

I literally have tears in my eyes. Thanks for the kindness. This thread has really made me feel bad at a time I was dealing with a lot with a loved one ill and this crush was an agonizing distraction. Thanks for the words.

Please ignore the negative posts. There sometimes seems to be a fair amount of bluntness on here.

The situation with the massage therapist sounds like you have an unmet need, more about this need than about the therapist.

If you are going through a difficult time emotionally then you may need to tap into your emotions, your history with a skilled guide (or a journal).

The fact you're in tears over this suggests some emotions are stored up.

Mewling · 09/12/2025 19:59

Atetherainbow · 08/12/2025 21:07

🙄 In spaces of touch there are times you are unsure if something crossed a line. Say, you said thanks to someone and gave a hug. Was that appropriate? You think so, but maybe they took it another way. Do I need to explain this? The reading comprehension here makes me feel like explaining being human to aliens.

It’s not about reading comprehension, people are merely astonished at your attempts to justify your pervy behaviour.