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Therapy session 2 and feeling more insecure with fiance

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togo1004 · 01/08/2025 03:06

Finished session 2 with therapy. She addressed why my vision might become blurry when I’m stressed. She thinks that my brain doesn’t want me to see something and that stress is the trigger for it.

we dove deeper into my childhood trauma and talked more about myself. We have not reached diagnosis stage as we have a wide arrange of things to cover.

im currently traveling in China with my fiancé. We’ve already gotten into a few arguments but nothing major I see a big improvement already. I’d like your feedback on what the issue is, If it’s indeed my problem again and how I can address it better next time.

i know I don’t have the best diet. He’s been reminding me to drink water this entire time and I have a hard time drinking water if it’s not cold and when I’m full. We went out to get coffee and I suddenly got dizzy and passed out. I woke up a few seconds later and he shoved a bunch of candy in my mouth and forced me to eat it. I felt better in about 5 minutes and he carried me back to our hotel.

he looked so worried and he started telling me that he suspects I might be either diabetic and has hypoglycemia or have extremely low blood pressure. Either way it’s not good. Then he went on about how I really need to stop eating fried food and sugary things and focus on hydration and getting minerals in my body. I got so annoyed and got loud and said that I’ve been this way my whole life and it’s perfectly normal.

then he started listing things and saying things like “passing out in the middle of the street is normal?”
he went on about how I’m always tired, always have a headache, has mental disorders and thinks it’s largely contributed by my diet and life style. He went on about how he’s never seen me eat a salad or vegetables or fruit. He said “you can’t just live on pasta and fried food and soda”

He said that I’m likely malnutritioned and dehydrated for years and that unless I change it’s going to destroy my body. Ive felt so violated that I started crying. Now im just exhausted and want to go home.

i told him to stop commenting on how i eat because ill likely develop bulimia because of his comments. He literally told me that if I don’t change my life style he’s going to call off the marriage because he says “I will not marry someone who doesn’t prioritize health”. I told him that he cannot control me as it’s my body and it’s my choice on how I eat and live.

that evening I tried to make love to him and he turned me down saying that I’m not well and he thinks I might pass out during sex. I felt like he just didn’t want me at all..felt so rejected. He said that I’m still cold sweating looks pale and that I should really stop eating fried noodles and eat some salad and drink 2 liters of water today and do this everyday and he just went to sleep.

I know I’m not diabetic from tests a while
back but I did take blood pressure the next morning at a pharmacy near by and my bp came back hypotension.

we were ok that day went to pool but he won’t touch me the way he used to and I’m feeling insecure.

did i handle this ok? It didn’t escalate into a big fight but was thinking it’s my body my choice the right thing to say in this point? His point is that it’s selfish because he’s the one responsible for medical bills for us and that I should be taking care of my health for both of us as he does the same.

OP posts:
Mylovelygreendress · 03/08/2025 10:15

For the first time , I hope this poster is a troll otherwise I have serious concerns for her boyfriend.

Macaroni46 · 03/08/2025 10:27

Calliecarpa · 03/08/2025 08:58

Why are you with this guy you claim is abusing you and manipulating you and who you think is triggering you into developing an eating disorder? If he's that awful, why don't you just leave him?

A very good question @Calliecarpa

I suspect the answer to why she doesn’t leave him is because he pays for everything. OP seems incapable of providing for herself or looking after herself. She absolves all responsibility for her health and well being to her poor partner then berates him for not getting it ‘right’.

togo1004 · 03/08/2025 12:32

SoScarletItWas · 03/08/2025 06:31

If you smoke, your breath WILL be vile. He won’t want to kiss you. That’s not abusive.

If you choose to eat the sweets, ice cream, pizza, then threaten to throw them up when he says you should eat something healthy, that’s beyond emotional manipulation (on your part) and YOUR CHOICE as a bizarre ‘told you so’ to ‘prove him wrong’.

If you faint then smoke and drink alcohol, that is categorically a stupid thing to do and he’s correct to point that out to you.

He should end up single. This is a horrible relationship.

bad choice or not I’ve been fainting since I was 12 it’s very normal to me.

as lovers we should accept each other as is and be there for each other when we are in need.

so what if I wanna eat a little bad? I can’t expect my lover to be there for me if I got sick?

how is that a relationship?

OP posts:
togo1004 · 03/08/2025 12:35

Macaroni46 · 03/08/2025 10:27

A very good question @Calliecarpa

I suspect the answer to why she doesn’t leave him is because he pays for everything. OP seems incapable of providing for herself or looking after herself. She absolves all responsibility for her health and well being to her poor partner then berates him for not getting it ‘right’.

its not true but sending me home back to Russia when he knows that I have issues wasn’t cool. I didn’t feel loved at all.

when he doesn’t listen to my emotions I don’t feel loved and when he tries to control my food I don’t feel loved, I feel abused.

OP posts:
Uricon2 · 03/08/2025 12:49

as lovers we should accept each other as is

You certainly don't accept him as he is, do you?

NoCowardSoul · 03/08/2025 12:53

togo1004 · 03/08/2025 12:35

its not true but sending me home back to Russia when he knows that I have issues wasn’t cool. I didn’t feel loved at all.

when he doesn’t listen to my emotions I don’t feel loved and when he tries to control my food I don’t feel loved, I feel abused.

But you clearly can’t look after yourself with any effectiveness, you neglect your health, have an eating disorder you’re not currently managing, and you have no money. I’m not sure he thinks you’re someone who could safely be left alone for an extended period.

Calliecarpa · 03/08/2025 13:11

togo1004 · 03/08/2025 12:35

its not true but sending me home back to Russia when he knows that I have issues wasn’t cool. I didn’t feel loved at all.

when he doesn’t listen to my emotions I don’t feel loved and when he tries to control my food I don’t feel loved, I feel abused.

You 'don't feel loved' and you 'feel abused'. Right. So you'll soon be leaving this man who you think abuses you and doesn't love you properly, correct?

How is he going to 'send you home back to Russia', incidentally? Via Yodel or Evri? Or are you a human being with agency who can control your own behaviour and your own fate, not a parcel?

anytipswelcome · 03/08/2025 13:12

togo1004 · 03/08/2025 12:32

bad choice or not I’ve been fainting since I was 12 it’s very normal to me.

as lovers we should accept each other as is and be there for each other when we are in need.

so what if I wanna eat a little bad? I can’t expect my lover to be there for me if I got sick?

how is that a relationship?

You’re not there for him though in times of need are you?

When he needs to see his friends or needs the positive feeling volunteering gives him or needs the pastoral care of church or needs to stop walking because he’s having trouble breathing or needs to work instead of having an argument about key cards or needs to not have the stress of paying for your life expenses (as well as his relatives) or needs to not have to worry you’ll faint because you haven’t drunk water etc etc. All of those times you aren’t there for him.

And you don’t accept him “as is”, you berate him constantly, start arguments, coercively control and isolate him and because he doesn’t 100% of the time do as he’s told you want him to go to therapy. Which I think he should so he can be told you’re abusing him.

What you really want is for him to be there for you.

For him to be constantly available, compliant, obedient and financially bear the brunt of everything on top.

He must wake up and go to bed a complete shell of his former self, exhausted, confused and anxious.

You are abusing him.

togo1004 · 03/08/2025 13:16

NoCowardSoul · 03/08/2025 12:53

But you clearly can’t look after yourself with any effectiveness, you neglect your health, have an eating disorder you’re not currently managing, and you have no money. I’m not sure he thinks you’re someone who could safely be left alone for an extended period.

I don’t neglect my health. I will start a diet starting tomorrow of clean eating and water.

i was on vacation so i drank and smoked a bit i dont see anything wrong with that.

hes become a nagger constantly reminding me to eat healthier and drink water.

and yes if this continues and doesn’t change with his therapy, i will leave him

OP posts:
togo1004 · 03/08/2025 13:22

anytipswelcome · 03/08/2025 13:12

You’re not there for him though in times of need are you?

When he needs to see his friends or needs the positive feeling volunteering gives him or needs the pastoral care of church or needs to stop walking because he’s having trouble breathing or needs to work instead of having an argument about key cards or needs to not have the stress of paying for your life expenses (as well as his relatives) or needs to not have to worry you’ll faint because you haven’t drunk water etc etc. All of those times you aren’t there for him.

And you don’t accept him “as is”, you berate him constantly, start arguments, coercively control and isolate him and because he doesn’t 100% of the time do as he’s told you want him to go to therapy. Which I think he should so he can be told you’re abusing him.

What you really want is for him to be there for you.

For him to be constantly available, compliant, obedient and financially bear the brunt of everything on top.

He must wake up and go to bed a complete shell of his former self, exhausted, confused and anxious.

You are abusing him.

I am there for him. He’s still sick and I took care of him today when we got home. He’s sleeping now.

hes become quite a bit rebellious lately and I feel like he says no on purpose just to spite me.

when we’re heading back today I had to fill out an arrival card but didn’t have a pen. I asked him to get me a pen and he said he would as the airplane crew. He asked a few and none of them had because they had given out already. He said we can fill it out when we land, it’s no rush. Why is he telling me it’s not a rush when I want to do it now? So I asked him can you ask around the passengers for a pen? He said looked at me like I was crazy for no reason and said I’m not gonna ask these people for a pen. he knows I have social anxiety and he can’t even ask around for a pen for me.

is he there for me? Is this supportive?

OP posts:
Booyaka619 · 03/08/2025 13:24

togo1004 · 03/08/2025 13:16

I don’t neglect my health. I will start a diet starting tomorrow of clean eating and water.

i was on vacation so i drank and smoked a bit i dont see anything wrong with that.

hes become a nagger constantly reminding me to eat healthier and drink water.

and yes if this continues and doesn’t change with his therapy, i will leave him

hes become a nagger constantly reminding me to eat healthier and drink water.
But you haven’t been doing any of this; on this thread you’ve argued repeatedly that you have to eat ice cream and pizza, and you can’t drink water because you feel full after you’ve eaten.

I don’t neglect my health. I will start a diet starting tomorrow of clean eating and water.
If you actually manage this, you should thank him for nagging caring enough to not give up trying while you were refusing to take care of yourself.

anytipswelcome · 03/08/2025 13:30

togo1004 · 03/08/2025 13:22

I am there for him. He’s still sick and I took care of him today when we got home. He’s sleeping now.

hes become quite a bit rebellious lately and I feel like he says no on purpose just to spite me.

when we’re heading back today I had to fill out an arrival card but didn’t have a pen. I asked him to get me a pen and he said he would as the airplane crew. He asked a few and none of them had because they had given out already. He said we can fill it out when we land, it’s no rush. Why is he telling me it’s not a rush when I want to do it now? So I asked him can you ask around the passengers for a pen? He said looked at me like I was crazy for no reason and said I’m not gonna ask these people for a pen. he knows I have social anxiety and he can’t even ask around for a pen for me.

is he there for me? Is this supportive?

That’s a completely bizarre example of someone not being ‘there for you’. It’s not a situation where you needed to berate, challenge or argue with him. Yet you still managed it.

You are an adult. A grown woman. Why couldn’t you ask the crew or other people for a pen if it was that important to you?

He is an adult. A grown man.

Describing him as ‘rebellious’ is so incredibly telling. He doesn’t answer to you. It’s not ‘rebellious’ for him to not do what you tell him to do.

Who on earth do you think you are?!

togo1004 · 03/08/2025 13:36

anytipswelcome · 03/08/2025 13:30

That’s a completely bizarre example of someone not being ‘there for you’. It’s not a situation where you needed to berate, challenge or argue with him. Yet you still managed it.

You are an adult. A grown woman. Why couldn’t you ask the crew or other people for a pen if it was that important to you?

He is an adult. A grown man.

Describing him as ‘rebellious’ is so incredibly telling. He doesn’t answer to you. It’s not ‘rebellious’ for him to not do what you tell him to do.

Who on earth do you think you are?!

I have social anxiety and have trouble speaking with strangers so I rely on him to do the talking. I just asked him “can you ask the crew member for a pen”. “Can you ask the people around for a pen”. And that’s when he looked at me like I was crazy. Was that necessary? Why can’t he just ask when he knows that I cannot ask due to my panic attacks?

he didn’t want to ask around and kept saying we can fill it out when we land, there’s a whole station with pens. But he neglected my needs, when it was so simple.

this is why I believe we need relationship counseling, because he’s starting arguments over simple things as asking for a pen

OP posts:
anytipswelcome · 03/08/2025 13:40

You’re dangerous OP. I don’t say that flippantly. You are genuinely not a safe person for someone to be in a relationship with. You’re abusive and believe that other people should adhere to your wishes at all times which is an unhealthy, toxic and bizarre way to live.

Calling him rebellious for having autonomy over his own decisions is disgraceful. Rebellious?! Like you’re a parent and he’s the child. Especially ironic when he has to act as a parent to you in so many ways (only the ways that you want though, of course, taking care of you and financially providing for you not god forbid suggesting you take responsibility for your health by drinking more water).

You are a bully and an abuser.

You either aren’t being honest with your therapist or they are happy to take your money and not challenge you.

I hope he goes to see one and they can rescue him. This poor bloke must be a bag of nerves trying to manage your demands and your need for constant attention. And you successfully isolated him from his support system so he couldn’t tell anyone. Abuser 101.

SoScarletItWas · 03/08/2025 13:40

YOU are the one turning the pen thing and everything else into an argument. I think he’s getting fed up of enabling your neediness and is no longer ignoring or willing to facilitate your behaviour.

Good for him.

togo1004 · 03/08/2025 13:46

SoScarletItWas · 03/08/2025 13:40

YOU are the one turning the pen thing and everything else into an argument. I think he’s getting fed up of enabling your neediness and is no longer ignoring or willing to facilitate your behaviour.

Good for him.

gaslighting 101. How did I start the pen into an argument when all I did was ask him for a simple favor and he made me feel like I was crazy.

is asking around for a pen to fellow passengers some rude or annoying thing?

OP posts:
CaptainFuture · 03/08/2025 13:50

hes become quite a bit rebellious lately and I feel like he says no on purpose just to spite me.
Oh look, another abusive, controlling phrase from you...

BuckChuckets · 03/08/2025 14:00

Honestly, @togo1004 is coming out with more bizarre and unbelievable statements by the hour, I'm convinced they're a troll. I know there are some vile human beings in the world, but come on...

CaptainFuture · 03/08/2025 14:01

BuckChuckets · 03/08/2025 14:00

Honestly, @togo1004 is coming out with more bizarre and unbelievable statements by the hour, I'm convinced they're a troll. I know there are some vile human beings in the world, but come on...

Agree, there's no way someone is that deluded!!

Furrylittlesweetpotatoes · 03/08/2025 14:08

‘hes become quite a bit rebellious lately and I feel like he says no on purpose just to spite me.’

Interesting term ‘rebellious’ sounds as though you’re losing control of him and that is your problem here… he’s starting to see you for who you are.

Nagginthenag · 03/08/2025 14:09

OP, you obviously don't actually care for your DP and he constantly annoys you and doesn't care about you. Why don't you leave him?

FlipFlopShopInHawaii · 03/08/2025 14:18

CaptainFuture · 03/08/2025 14:01

Agree, there's no way someone is that deluded!!

If you read other posts by OP you'll see, unfortunately, this is the way she thinks. It's very worrying that there's some poor man being so badly abused; emotionally, financially, being gaslighted, even physically. Yet the op didn't get a pen immediately when she wanted it 😕
Nothing will ever change, we'll reach 1000 posts here and OP will be back next month with another one.

FlipFlopShopInHawaii · 03/08/2025 14:19

Nagginthenag · 03/08/2025 14:09

OP, you obviously don't actually care for your DP and he constantly annoys you and doesn't care about you. Why don't you leave him?

He pays for literally everything!

togo1004 · 03/08/2025 14:19

Nagginthenag · 03/08/2025 14:09

OP, you obviously don't actually care for your DP and he constantly annoys you and doesn't care about you. Why don't you leave him?

Because I don’t give up like that. I still believe we have a chance. He will start therapy soon for his emotional neglect behavior and we will work at it together.

if that doesn’t work then it’ll end unfortunately

OP posts:
FlipFlopShopInHawaii · 03/08/2025 14:21

togo1004 · 03/08/2025 14:19

Because I don’t give up like that. I still believe we have a chance. He will start therapy soon for his emotional neglect behavior and we will work at it together.

if that doesn’t work then it’ll end unfortunately

Do you know people aren't supposed to go to therapy with their abusers?