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DP hates children

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conflicted84 · 22/07/2025 23:45

Repost, with full text this time.

I (male, 41) have been with my OH (female, 37) for over 7 years now.

Early on she made it very clear she didn't want children and that was OK with me as I felt I was too old to be a good father, had taken a long time to get established in my career, and did not have much of a paternal instinct, but was very happy to be an uncle to my nephews/nieces. Otherwise we were on the same wavelength and got on well, and still do for the most part.

My sister on the other hand has young children who are adored by all the family, and this has become a massive source of tension in our relationship, getting worse year by year, to the point I'm not sure where things go.

When OH and I first got together it was not long prior to the pandemic and sister only had 1 child. Fast forward a few years and sister now has 2 more. DP and I had the experience of living together under very intense pandemic conditions while things were still pretty new for us. That seemed to go OK. Where things have gone wrong is the post-pandemic years where I've been trying to get her to engage more with my family. I'm talking maybe 3-4 events a year at most, think Christmastime and significant birthdays where immediate family + partners might be invited. Other smaller or ad-hoc get-togethers I would happily go to on my own, but it's important to me that we turn up together to "significant" family events and my family would probably ask concerned questions about the state of my relationship if I always turned up without her, as you can probably imagine.

Even this limited level of family engagement has been a struggle to put it mildly. At first it was at a fairly normal level of "slight unease around in-laws" which I assumed might be alleviated by better familiarity, but over the last couple of years in particular things have steadily got more and more tense to the point where I feel like I'm torn between my partner and my family.

DP's point of view seems to have shifted from "don't like children" to "actively despise them". Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend, and if she does attend then she spends the whole time sulking and pretty much refusing to speak to anyone. She is barely civil to my sister and brother in law, giving monosyllabic answers at best when they try to engage her in conversation, and looks through the children as though they do not even exist.

If I go without her she still finds a way to make passive-aggressive remarks about my family before and/or after the event, such as implying that I should just mail birthday presents rather than delivering them to my nephews/nieces in person (even though we live relatively close by and she knows I like seeing them) or making scoffing noises/rolling her eyes when I say I need to leave at X time to be there for such and such an event.

Even if we meet my parents without my nieces/nephews present she seems to try to find a way to start an argument, because she seems to resent my parents having a close relationship with their grandchildren. She also insinuates frequently that my parents somehow value me less than their grandchildren or that they give my sister more support than me - even though I've tried to explain repeatedly that this isn't the case and that it's quite normal for grandparents to dote on their grandchildren anyway.

This also gets echoed in my relationships with friends, most of whom now have children. She's still not met quite a few of my oldest friends and has turned down opportunities to meet them - if they have children she seems to pre-emptively write them off with sarcastic comments about how they've given up perfectly good careers, etc.

OH had an abusive childhood and I think a lot of this stems from the fact that she never knew "normal" family dynamics and never knew her own aunts/uncles/grandparents. She also seems to think that her mother (who was in an abusive marriage) ruined her own life and career by having children in the first place, and projects that onto other people who have children - hence frequent remarks at home about women "throwing away their lives", children in general being entitled, colleagues with children "skiving" when they are on holiday, and so on and so forth.

I think there is a lot of unresolved trauma here - almost as though she views herself as needing to avenge her mother - and a lot of fear or uncertainty on her part as to how to engage with family dynamics where children are involved. That said, she refuses to seek therapy - her view seems to be either that she knows better, or that nothing could help anyway. I try to support her as much as I can, and on a day to day basis it doesn't really factor into our interactions with one another as we have busy lives and don't have daily interactions with family. But it is getting to the point now where it is poisoning relations between me and my family whenever there's any sort of family event. We have had numerous arguments over the last few years where it feels like she is growing increasingly resentful of me wanting to have a relationship with my own nephews and nieces.

I don't want to split up with her. In private she is funny, clever, and incredibly supportive of me. But when it comes to meeting my family (or my friends) they are faced wtih indifference at best or even hostility, and that's beginning to spill into our private lives.

I'm at the end of my tether. After 7 years it feels like things should get easier, not more difficult. What do I do?

OP posts:
Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 17:47

Jerrypicker · 23/07/2025 17:43

Of course she is admitting to her rage and hate on an anonymous website. Nobody knows who she is so there’s literally ZERO bravery about it. I bet she wouldn’t broadcast it though with her real face and identity on YouTube or Instagram, would she? And you compare her to parents who are in the trenches and exhausted, maybe struggling financially, so I think we can all kind of understand when they reach the end of their tether. But here’s an individual who actively avoids children, so she is not even close to them physically, she is not in the vicinity around them, yet she feels an urge to lash out at kids in an overwhelmingly violent way and you call her lovely!
I don’t know which one of you is more bizarre and disturbed.

Literally everybody who knows me knows I hate children, it isn't a secret. I don't post stupid videos on YouTube about anything, so why you would think if I was about to I would pick a topic I have no interest in is baffling.

Ddakji · 23/07/2025 17:48

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 17:45

Yes I'm very pro choice, obviously.

And why do you comment on threads about people’s children, given that you hate children to the point of violent thoughts?

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 17:49

Ddakji · 23/07/2025 17:48

And why do you comment on threads about people’s children, given that you hate children to the point of violent thoughts?

I'm not angered by the concept of children. I just can't stand being near them.

Ddakji · 23/07/2025 17:51

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 17:49

I'm not angered by the concept of children. I just can't stand being near them.

You’re backtracking now.

Why do you comment on threads about children?

Jerrypicker · 23/07/2025 17:51

cobrakaieaglefang · 23/07/2025 17:42

I'm another that isn't piling on @Anotherparkingthread, its more like refreshing honesty.
I had 3 kids under 5, I was young, and quite frankly a very naive young woman. I had said in my teens I didn't want or like kids, I should have stuck to it. I was a crap mother. I was left with PTSD from childbirth. PND for 5 years to the point of hallucinations. Im now nearing 60 and have quite frankly hated being a mother and hate being around kids. I get fight or flight reaction to a baby/child crying even now all these years later. Until they are 10 ish I struggle to interact. Fortunately, 2 of my kids are more clued up than I was. They don't want kids. The 1 that did, its been a, predictable shitshow since day one.
Is it any different to the dog threads that appear here nearly daily, saying they hate dogs, would kick or kill dogs that even walk near them.
I'd rather have dogs, cats or pigs any day over kids around me.
I made a mistake that once made can't be rectified, ruined any chance of my aspirations/ dreams/ ambition coming true and left myself generally at poverty levels for life because I was too immature.

Edited

You had a child, saw how difficult, tiring and thankless it was and went on to have two more in quick succession 🤔
You know what the very definition of this is, hm? Starts with a D or a S.

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 17:53

Ddakji · 23/07/2025 17:51

You’re backtracking now.

Why do you comment on threads about children?

I enjoy watching others suffer. It validates my own life choices.

Is that what you want me to say?

DoYouReally · 23/07/2025 17:54

OP, many people have childhood trauma.

It doesn't give them a free pass to be rude to your family, be passive agressive and try to isolate you from friends and family in the way she does.

It's not going to get better-only worse. What's she going to be like at difficult family times in future as your parents madly need more support etc.

Nobody has a right to demand a partner's full time attention at the cost of their other relationships - this is effectively what she is doing.

Ddakji · 23/07/2025 17:57

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 17:53

I enjoy watching others suffer. It validates my own life choices.

Is that what you want me to say?

You’ve said what I wanted you to say, so thanks!

Smokiejoe · 23/07/2025 17:58

CommissarySushi · 23/07/2025 17:17

Really? You think the person, who says she feels violent rage when children are around and that she would be disgusted if her partner even interacted with a child, is lovely? Would you still think she was lovely if she was talking about any other group of people? Elderly people? Disabled people?

I feel violent rage when people (mostly adults for some reason) make mouth sounds, chew with their mouth open, sniff up their snot and make other disgusting, but very normal, noises. I can’t help it, I have wanted to murder my DH (who I adore) for slapping his lips in his sleep and had to leave the room so I don’t scream at him.

It’s clearly irrational, she knows that, and doesn’t go around traumatising children- she actually admitted it on a parenting forum to help someone else like her, I think that’s indicative of a nice person. These are her inner thoughts, you can’t really police them.

I know someone that can’t look at people with a certain condition without heaving, it’s not her fault either and she would never be anything but civil and avoidant of someone with it to not make them feel bad, she’s actually disabled herself hence seeing people with this condition regularly. I know someone else that doesn’t really interact with elderly people because it freaks him out and makes him feel disgusted, he isn’t ageist though it’s just an aversion that he has to live with.

People are weird and have a lot of quirks, doesn’t make them bad unless they’re acting disrespectfully or hurting someone else.

cwmflahwbml · 23/07/2025 18:00

She needs therapy. It's not up to you to fix this. I assume you aren't a psychologist or psychotherapist or similar and even if you were it's still not up to you to fix.
The only thing you can do is talk to her and say that the way she is behaving is not normal and that it's damaging the relationship because family is important to you and that you would support her getting therapy to help her with her issues because things can't continue the way they are.
It's one thing not liking children or being irritated by them but you suck that up for the person you love. The other issue is that even if she doesn't go with you (which would be one solution) she is still souring these family get togethers for you by going on about the children.

I don't know if this is fixable. You might be better off with someone else who wants to be part of an extended family like this and would enjoy spending time with your nieces and nephews. Maybe see if your dp is willing to get help and take it from there. If she's not willing to even discuss it then you have your answer.

cobrakaieaglefang · 23/07/2025 18:00

Jerrypicker · 23/07/2025 17:51

You had a child, saw how difficult, tiring and thankless it was and went on to have two more in quick succession 🤔
You know what the very definition of this is, hm? Starts with a D or a S.

As i said, young and very naive, I believed others who said it would get better. It didn't.

SoScarletItWas · 23/07/2025 18:02

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

This is me. I find children irritating, unclean, and the incessant talking winds me up massively. I don’t feel violent towards them but they definitely raise my aggression / irritation levels. I can’t stand babies being sick, or unwiped noses; it physically repulses me. Even if they look clean at that moment, I think they probably wiped it on their hand.

I also hate the inevitable ‘do you have children / when are you having children?’ comments.

I would resist going to any family event where all the children were present. I wouldn’t stop you going, and I’d be ok seeing relatives or friends without the children along.

I also think your DP is projecting her own reasons for not wanting kids onto other people, like ruining careers etc, and that’s not fair or right.

But she won’t change. Only you can decide if that’s a deal breaker.

Jerrypicker · 23/07/2025 18:06

cobrakaieaglefang · 23/07/2025 18:00

As i said, young and very naive, I believed others who said it would get better. It didn't.

How young exactly?
Maybe it’s just me but if I feel a very strong aversion to something I simply won’t do it, even if a 100 people out of a 100 tell me to do so. But to totally ignore your own instincts about a MAJOR life decision and listen to other people 3 times in a row is something I can’t comprehend.

cobrakaieaglefang · 23/07/2025 18:09

Jerrypicker · 23/07/2025 18:06

How young exactly?
Maybe it’s just me but if I feel a very strong aversion to something I simply won’t do it, even if a 100 people out of a 100 tell me to do so. But to totally ignore your own instincts about a MAJOR life decision and listen to other people 3 times in a row is something I can’t comprehend.

19 but emotionally more like early teens.

scoobysnaxx · 23/07/2025 18:15

Not surprised to read she had an abusive childhood. She needs a lot of therapy.

Let her go and go and be happy with someone more compatible with you. Someone you can have full in your life and share with friends and family.

excelledyourself · 23/07/2025 18:17

@Anotherparkingthread

How do you cope on public transport, or in supermarkets etc?

Doesn’t this impact you day to day?

Those are some intense emotions to be managing regularly.

flapjackfairy · 23/07/2025 18:31

cobrakaieaglefang · 23/07/2025 17:42

I'm another that isn't piling on @Anotherparkingthread, its more like refreshing honesty.
I had 3 kids under 5, I was young, and quite frankly a very naive young woman. I had said in my teens I didn't want or like kids, I should have stuck to it. I was a crap mother. I was left with PTSD from childbirth. PND for 5 years to the point of hallucinations. Im now nearing 60 and have quite frankly hated being a mother and hate being around kids. I get fight or flight reaction to a baby/child crying even now all these years later. Until they are 10 ish I struggle to interact. Fortunately, 2 of my kids are more clued up than I was. They don't want kids. The 1 that did, its been a, predictable shitshow since day one.
Is it any different to the dog threads that appear here nearly daily, saying they hate dogs, would kick or kill dogs that even walk near them.
I'd rather have dogs, cats or pigs any day over kids around me.
I made a mistake that once made can't be rectified, ruined any chance of my aspirations/ dreams/ ambition coming true and left myself generally at poverty levels for life because I was too immature.

Edited

Well if you had your children so young what stopped you pursuing your ambitions later in life. Plenty.of people do.
It is a unfair to blame your lifes ills on your children. You are responsible for you own choices.

PigletSanders · 23/07/2025 18:45

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

Fuck me. 😆 People who don’t want children tend to feel indifferent. You might want to engage with a therapist as to why you feel quite as strongly as you do. Yikes.

Livpool · 23/07/2025 18:50

I also want to say that pigs are cute! They don’t deserve to be denigrated 🐷

WhyCantISayFork · 23/07/2025 18:56

You’re not too old to be a father and you certainly weren’t too old when you met your DP. However, it sounds like you are just making excuses for her.

Lots of people have pointed out that her being passive aggressive about you meeting your parents even when children are not present is evidence that this children thing is an excuse.

Even if it wasn’t an excuse she should be mature enough to accept that other people generally want relationships with their relatives. She’s being disrespectful and immature at best, abusive at worst.

She refuses therapy. End of the road really.

Smokiejoe · 23/07/2025 19:40

Jerrypicker · 23/07/2025 17:43

Of course she is admitting to her rage and hate on an anonymous website. Nobody knows who she is so there’s literally ZERO bravery about it. I bet she wouldn’t broadcast it though with her real face and identity on YouTube or Instagram, would she? And you compare her to parents who are in the trenches and exhausted, maybe struggling financially, so I think we can all kind of understand when they reach the end of their tether. But here’s an individual who actively avoids children, so she is not even close to them physically, she is not in the vicinity around them, yet she feels an urge to lash out at kids in an overwhelmingly violent way and you call her lovely!
I don’t know which one of you is more bizarre and disturbed.

Ooo I didn’t see this one sorry. I think I’ve covered most of it In a following reply or two though. She opened up about an aversion she has to help someone else like her (OP’s partner), that’s a nice thing to do. She also realised she would make a bad mother so she got sterilised to prevent it, a thoughtful act, and for these I think she’s a much better person than some of the parents I have met throughout my career.

You can excuse neglectful, abusive, substandard parents because of financial stress, being overwhelmed or at the end of their tether but not someone who has the same strong negative feelings towards children so avoids them, doesn’t have any and keeps the thoughts in their head? Makes total sense.

Jerrypicker · 23/07/2025 20:40

Smokiejoe · 23/07/2025 19:40

Ooo I didn’t see this one sorry. I think I’ve covered most of it In a following reply or two though. She opened up about an aversion she has to help someone else like her (OP’s partner), that’s a nice thing to do. She also realised she would make a bad mother so she got sterilised to prevent it, a thoughtful act, and for these I think she’s a much better person than some of the parents I have met throughout my career.

You can excuse neglectful, abusive, substandard parents because of financial stress, being overwhelmed or at the end of their tether but not someone who has the same strong negative feelings towards children so avoids them, doesn’t have any and keeps the thoughts in their head? Makes total sense.

It’s so easy to deliberately avoid something/someone you hate and have an aversion to. It is easy not to have children if you don’t want them in the first place and feel repulsed by them. It doesn’t make you smart, thoughtful or a hero.
Why are you praising this woman? Did she do something saintly? Btw she is not helping OP’s partner with her comments because she is not reading this thread, it’s her boyfriend who needs the advice.
She spilled her thoughts out here, fine, we read it…do we give her a pat on the back and a medal? No. Because it’s not a “Who hates children more and can give them a wider berth” contest.
I know she can’t help her feelings, just like anyone who hates dogs, clowns, toucans or sailors can’t help it either. But your praise for her is misplaced.

Usernamenotavailable19 · 23/07/2025 21:01

Does @mumsnet not monitor threads anymore? I’ve had comments deleted for saying a lot less

Smokiejoe · 23/07/2025 21:09

Jerrypicker · 23/07/2025 20:40

It’s so easy to deliberately avoid something/someone you hate and have an aversion to. It is easy not to have children if you don’t want them in the first place and feel repulsed by them. It doesn’t make you smart, thoughtful or a hero.
Why are you praising this woman? Did she do something saintly? Btw she is not helping OP’s partner with her comments because she is not reading this thread, it’s her boyfriend who needs the advice.
She spilled her thoughts out here, fine, we read it…do we give her a pat on the back and a medal? No. Because it’s not a “Who hates children more and can give them a wider berth” contest.
I know she can’t help her feelings, just like anyone who hates dogs, clowns, toucans or sailors can’t help it either. But your praise for her is misplaced.

It’s not praise, just understanding. Your hate for her is more confusing honestly, there are people out in the world actually harming children.

I didn’t call her a hero or make out like she did the world a service but she absolutely hasn’t done anything to deserve the replies she got.

Ddakji · 23/07/2025 21:21

Smokiejoe · 23/07/2025 21:09

It’s not praise, just understanding. Your hate for her is more confusing honestly, there are people out in the world actually harming children.

I didn’t call her a hero or make out like she did the world a service but she absolutely hasn’t done anything to deserve the replies she got.

Come now. It’s was an extraordinary thing to say on a parenting forum. And yes, I know not everyone here is a parent but the majority are.

Would you be so understanding if she’d said such a thing about disabled people on a disability forum?