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DP hates children

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conflicted84 · 22/07/2025 23:45

Repost, with full text this time.

I (male, 41) have been with my OH (female, 37) for over 7 years now.

Early on she made it very clear she didn't want children and that was OK with me as I felt I was too old to be a good father, had taken a long time to get established in my career, and did not have much of a paternal instinct, but was very happy to be an uncle to my nephews/nieces. Otherwise we were on the same wavelength and got on well, and still do for the most part.

My sister on the other hand has young children who are adored by all the family, and this has become a massive source of tension in our relationship, getting worse year by year, to the point I'm not sure where things go.

When OH and I first got together it was not long prior to the pandemic and sister only had 1 child. Fast forward a few years and sister now has 2 more. DP and I had the experience of living together under very intense pandemic conditions while things were still pretty new for us. That seemed to go OK. Where things have gone wrong is the post-pandemic years where I've been trying to get her to engage more with my family. I'm talking maybe 3-4 events a year at most, think Christmastime and significant birthdays where immediate family + partners might be invited. Other smaller or ad-hoc get-togethers I would happily go to on my own, but it's important to me that we turn up together to "significant" family events and my family would probably ask concerned questions about the state of my relationship if I always turned up without her, as you can probably imagine.

Even this limited level of family engagement has been a struggle to put it mildly. At first it was at a fairly normal level of "slight unease around in-laws" which I assumed might be alleviated by better familiarity, but over the last couple of years in particular things have steadily got more and more tense to the point where I feel like I'm torn between my partner and my family.

DP's point of view seems to have shifted from "don't like children" to "actively despise them". Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend, and if she does attend then she spends the whole time sulking and pretty much refusing to speak to anyone. She is barely civil to my sister and brother in law, giving monosyllabic answers at best when they try to engage her in conversation, and looks through the children as though they do not even exist.

If I go without her she still finds a way to make passive-aggressive remarks about my family before and/or after the event, such as implying that I should just mail birthday presents rather than delivering them to my nephews/nieces in person (even though we live relatively close by and she knows I like seeing them) or making scoffing noises/rolling her eyes when I say I need to leave at X time to be there for such and such an event.

Even if we meet my parents without my nieces/nephews present she seems to try to find a way to start an argument, because she seems to resent my parents having a close relationship with their grandchildren. She also insinuates frequently that my parents somehow value me less than their grandchildren or that they give my sister more support than me - even though I've tried to explain repeatedly that this isn't the case and that it's quite normal for grandparents to dote on their grandchildren anyway.

This also gets echoed in my relationships with friends, most of whom now have children. She's still not met quite a few of my oldest friends and has turned down opportunities to meet them - if they have children she seems to pre-emptively write them off with sarcastic comments about how they've given up perfectly good careers, etc.

OH had an abusive childhood and I think a lot of this stems from the fact that she never knew "normal" family dynamics and never knew her own aunts/uncles/grandparents. She also seems to think that her mother (who was in an abusive marriage) ruined her own life and career by having children in the first place, and projects that onto other people who have children - hence frequent remarks at home about women "throwing away their lives", children in general being entitled, colleagues with children "skiving" when they are on holiday, and so on and so forth.

I think there is a lot of unresolved trauma here - almost as though she views herself as needing to avenge her mother - and a lot of fear or uncertainty on her part as to how to engage with family dynamics where children are involved. That said, she refuses to seek therapy - her view seems to be either that she knows better, or that nothing could help anyway. I try to support her as much as I can, and on a day to day basis it doesn't really factor into our interactions with one another as we have busy lives and don't have daily interactions with family. But it is getting to the point now where it is poisoning relations between me and my family whenever there's any sort of family event. We have had numerous arguments over the last few years where it feels like she is growing increasingly resentful of me wanting to have a relationship with my own nephews and nieces.

I don't want to split up with her. In private she is funny, clever, and incredibly supportive of me. But when it comes to meeting my family (or my friends) they are faced wtih indifference at best or even hostility, and that's beginning to spill into our private lives.

I'm at the end of my tether. After 7 years it feels like things should get easier, not more difficult. What do I do?

OP posts:
Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 21:26

Smokiejoe · 23/07/2025 21:09

It’s not praise, just understanding. Your hate for her is more confusing honestly, there are people out in the world actually harming children.

I didn’t call her a hero or make out like she did the world a service but she absolutely hasn’t done anything to deserve the replies she got.

It's alright I really don't mind. I think for a lot of people the idea that their position is unenviable or even pitied makes them very angry. They say the highest form of flattery is immitation and I suppose the opposite of that is also true, the greatest form of insult is telling somebody you don't want your life to look anything like theirs and you actively dislike a cause they have given most of themselves to.

I only posted originally so op could understand how it may be extremely unattractive and uncomfortable for his partner, but everybody had used it as an excuse to attempt to defend their own positions, which obviously if they were so certain of, would not need defending.

KateMiskin · 23/07/2025 21:29

As a pp said, everybody is entitled to a childfree life. You are not entitled to a childfree world though, or to demand that your partner see only child free people.

Lyocell · 23/07/2025 21:33

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

Just out of interest - why are you on mumsnet then? I do understand that lots of child free people are here, but if you actively hate them so much why did you join a parenting site?

also just out of interest - did you have a happy childhood?

Cherrytree86 · 23/07/2025 21:47

KateMiskin · 23/07/2025 21:29

As a pp said, everybody is entitled to a childfree life. You are not entitled to a childfree world though, or to demand that your partner see only child free people.

This sums it up in a nutshell.

OneLemonGuide · 23/07/2025 22:02

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 17:49

I'm not angered by the concept of children. I just can't stand being near them.

If you hate children (and you really do seem to detest them with a pathological passion), how can you could possibly think your input is going to be of any help to parents who love their children dearly.

It’s a bit like Hitler joining a Jewish Facebook group to provide friendly advice and a helpful fresh perspective!

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 22:12

OneLemonGuide · 23/07/2025 22:02

If you hate children (and you really do seem to detest them with a pathological passion), how can you could possibly think your input is going to be of any help to parents who love their children dearly.

It’s a bit like Hitler joining a Jewish Facebook group to provide friendly advice and a helpful fresh perspective!

Because if somebody is being unreasonable you sort of can tell even if you hate kids.

It's got nothing to do with Jews or Facebook.

Zov · 23/07/2025 22:18

Jerrypicker · 23/07/2025 17:43

Of course she is admitting to her rage and hate on an anonymous website. Nobody knows who she is so there’s literally ZERO bravery about it. I bet she wouldn’t broadcast it though with her real face and identity on YouTube or Instagram, would she? And you compare her to parents who are in the trenches and exhausted, maybe struggling financially, so I think we can all kind of understand when they reach the end of their tether. But here’s an individual who actively avoids children, so she is not even close to them physically, she is not in the vicinity around them, yet she feels an urge to lash out at kids in an overwhelmingly violent way and you call her lovely!
I don’t know which one of you is more bizarre and disturbed.

100% this. ^ There is nothing whatsoever 'brave' about @Anotherparkingthread and her bizarre rant.

Zov · 23/07/2025 22:22

Jerrypicker · 23/07/2025 17:51

You had a child, saw how difficult, tiring and thankless it was and went on to have two more in quick succession 🤔
You know what the very definition of this is, hm? Starts with a D or a S.

Hmmm yeah, bizarre isn't it? Wink

Zov · 23/07/2025 22:28

Lyocell · 23/07/2025 21:33

Just out of interest - why are you on mumsnet then? I do understand that lots of child free people are here, but if you actively hate them so much why did you join a parenting site?

also just out of interest - did you have a happy childhood?

This. ^

gishgalloping · 23/07/2025 22:54

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 21:26

It's alright I really don't mind. I think for a lot of people the idea that their position is unenviable or even pitied makes them very angry. They say the highest form of flattery is immitation and I suppose the opposite of that is also true, the greatest form of insult is telling somebody you don't want your life to look anything like theirs and you actively dislike a cause they have given most of themselves to.

I only posted originally so op could understand how it may be extremely unattractive and uncomfortable for his partner, but everybody had used it as an excuse to attempt to defend their own positions, which obviously if they were so certain of, would not need defending.

When you are giving advice to women here about abortion, do you inform those women that you actively hate children to the point that you have urges to be physically violent towards them?

No one is insulted that you don’t want to be a mother. They’re astounded by your extreme aggression towards children, your sexist generalisations about other women’s lives and your narcissistic self-flattery.

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 23:15

gishgalloping · 23/07/2025 22:54

When you are giving advice to women here about abortion, do you inform those women that you actively hate children to the point that you have urges to be physically violent towards them?

No one is insulted that you don’t want to be a mother. They’re astounded by your extreme aggression towards children, your sexist generalisations about other women’s lives and your narcissistic self-flattery.

I am pleased you are appropriately offended.

gishgalloping · 23/07/2025 23:30

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 23:15

I am pleased you are appropriately offended.

Yes, it’s clear that you’re pleased with yourself.

Interesting that you avoided answering the question, though.

Anotherparkingthread · 24/07/2025 00:19

gishgalloping · 23/07/2025 23:30

Yes, it’s clear that you’re pleased with yourself.

Interesting that you avoided answering the question, though.

Girl, if I brought it up every time I felt like smacking somebody in the mouth I'd never shut up about it. Most people have other things to talk about as well as that, frankly when discussing abortions I don't feel the need to tell people I hate children, this thread is specifically about his partner who hates children.

ConfusedSchooling · 24/07/2025 06:11

@Anotherparkingthread a few questions :

Why are you on mumsnet if no children/you hate them?
How does your DP and his family feel about you given your views?

How do your family feel about your views?

Similarly you say none of your friends have children, do they share the same views?

SoScarletItWas · 24/07/2025 06:59

Lyocell · 23/07/2025 21:33

Just out of interest - why are you on mumsnet then? I do understand that lots of child free people are here, but if you actively hate them so much why did you join a parenting site?

also just out of interest - did you have a happy childhood?

Wait til you find out there’s a Child Free board on MN… and in the Relationships board there are loads of threads that are nothing to do with children… and Style and Beauty rarely asks what to dress little DD in.

OP was asking about his partner who dislikes children. @Anotherparkingthread and I share that DP’s position and our comments are perfectly valid on this thread.

ETA my childhood was perfectly happy annd normal - my parents both worked, are still together, and my sister and I both happy and successful in our mid 50s. Ta very much.

BlueandPinkSwan · 24/07/2025 07:02

Cherrytree86 · 23/07/2025 15:59

@BlueandPinkSwan

no friends???

No friends through choice is that a problem? I know people to talk to but not the 'phone you at 3am for a sobby chat' friends.

OneLemonGuide · 24/07/2025 07:05

gishgalloping · 23/07/2025 22:54

When you are giving advice to women here about abortion, do you inform those women that you actively hate children to the point that you have urges to be physically violent towards them?

No one is insulted that you don’t want to be a mother. They’re astounded by your extreme aggression towards children, your sexist generalisations about other women’s lives and your narcissistic self-flattery.

Yes, I mean would it be appropriate for someone who had a bizarre visceral violent hatred of people who were terminally ill, to give advice to someone who was terminally ill thinking about going to Dignitas?

Jerrypicker · 24/07/2025 07:16

SoScarletItWas · 24/07/2025 06:59

Wait til you find out there’s a Child Free board on MN… and in the Relationships board there are loads of threads that are nothing to do with children… and Style and Beauty rarely asks what to dress little DD in.

OP was asking about his partner who dislikes children. @Anotherparkingthread and I share that DP’s position and our comments are perfectly valid on this thread.

ETA my childhood was perfectly happy annd normal - my parents both worked, are still together, and my sister and I both happy and successful in our mid 50s. Ta very much.

Edited

So basically what you are saying is that nothing was screwed up in your and Anotherparkingthread’s childhood, you were just born screwed up, right? You just have all this hate inside you for no apparent reason..

Cherrytree86 · 24/07/2025 08:01

BlueandPinkSwan · 24/07/2025 07:02

No friends through choice is that a problem? I know people to talk to but not the 'phone you at 3am for a sobby chat' friends.

@BlueandPinkSwan

i think it is, yes. Friends are very important. Who do you socialise with?

PigletSanders · 24/07/2025 08:02

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 21:26

It's alright I really don't mind. I think for a lot of people the idea that their position is unenviable or even pitied makes them very angry. They say the highest form of flattery is immitation and I suppose the opposite of that is also true, the greatest form of insult is telling somebody you don't want your life to look anything like theirs and you actively dislike a cause they have given most of themselves to.

I only posted originally so op could understand how it may be extremely unattractive and uncomfortable for his partner, but everybody had used it as an excuse to attempt to defend their own positions, which obviously if they were so certain of, would not need defending.

It might be that for some posters, but I think there’s plenty more, who don’t care that you hate children, not that you want your life to look different, but pity you for feeling like you want to be violent when in the presence of a child. That sounds horrible for you to manage and is very unusual, and it certainly sounds like you might need a bit of support to keep it in check, or perhaps dig into the cause of those feelings.

Squishymallows · 24/07/2025 08:09

I think she’s jealous. It’s hard for her to see children raised lovingly because she wasn’t

mylittlekomododragon · 24/07/2025 08:45

@KateMiskinI agree about it being an entire personality for some people. I cut contact with some friends after the female partner was vile when I had my DC. The final straw was when she said I stank of sour milk because of breast feeding (i didn’t) and tried to force me into another room in my own house to feed. Her feet didn’t touch the ground on the way out. Behaviour like OPs partner is tedious and dysfunctional.

Cherrytree86 · 24/07/2025 08:59

mylittlekomododragon · 24/07/2025 08:45

@KateMiskinI agree about it being an entire personality for some people. I cut contact with some friends after the female partner was vile when I had my DC. The final straw was when she said I stank of sour milk because of breast feeding (i didn’t) and tried to force me into another room in my own house to feed. Her feet didn’t touch the ground on the way out. Behaviour like OPs partner is tedious and dysfunctional.

@mylittlekomododragon

how disgustingly rude of her. Glad you asserted yourself .

NapsForAll · 24/07/2025 09:02

agent765 · 23/07/2025 15:17

Have you changed your mind about not wanting children, OP?

My Dsis had similar thoughts about children as @Anotherparkingthread. She hated visiting us when I had my DD and would actively avoid it.

Her DH didn't want children when they met but changed his mind several years into marriage. Dsis gave in and had a child but hated every moment of her pregnancy and her DS's early years. She suffered badly with PND (she also has PMDD) but never harmed her DS. She actually shocked us all by being such a good mum after getting help with PND.

She only felt comfortable when he hit puberty but still admits she hated him and didn't want to be around him until he was older. He's 29 with his own DS now. He says he had no idea of Dsis's feelings and always felt loved and wanted but can see she's struggling with her DGS.

We're all different. Some of us love the baby/toddler stage, others don't. Some of us love children and yearn for them, others don't. We are fortunate that we live in an age, thanks to contraception, that if we don't want children, we don't have to have them. Though it's a bigger problem if you're in a relationship with a partner who changes his mind about not wanting them.

There's not so much help for women wanting them who struggle to get pregnant or stay pregnant. I had several miscarriages before I had my beautiful DD.

There's a lot of pressure on women who don't want children. Not anywhere near as much on men. Dsis says that apart from the coercion she felt from her DH, society demonised her. I also felt pressured and by not being able to have children until DD came along, especially by my MIL (who I'll never forgive).

My friend admitted to hating her child - really hating him - but never on the same level as my Dsis had to her own son.

Psychology is fascinating. Despite admitting loathing children, my Dsis was a loving, caring and very protective mother. Had she admitted this to anyone other than her family she would probably have had her DS removed.

This is absolutely fascinating. Your Dsis must at the core be an incredibly good person to ignore and squash her own feelings to make sure she fulfilled her obligations to her DS.

SoScarletItWas · 24/07/2025 09:43

Jerrypicker · 24/07/2025 07:16

So basically what you are saying is that nothing was screwed up in your and Anotherparkingthread’s childhood, you were just born screwed up, right? You just have all this hate inside you for no apparent reason..

In my case it’s not hate but it is strong indifference with an edge of disgust. Like other people may be phobic of, I don’t know, spiders or snakes or the word moist or anything else. In me those responses are triggered by children.

Yes, I was born like it. I don’t know why being child-free by choice provokes such a strong reaction in people.

ETA the concept of pregnancy turns my stomach at all points beyond conception 😆

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