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DP hates children

395 replies

conflicted84 · 22/07/2025 23:45

Repost, with full text this time.

I (male, 41) have been with my OH (female, 37) for over 7 years now.

Early on she made it very clear she didn't want children and that was OK with me as I felt I was too old to be a good father, had taken a long time to get established in my career, and did not have much of a paternal instinct, but was very happy to be an uncle to my nephews/nieces. Otherwise we were on the same wavelength and got on well, and still do for the most part.

My sister on the other hand has young children who are adored by all the family, and this has become a massive source of tension in our relationship, getting worse year by year, to the point I'm not sure where things go.

When OH and I first got together it was not long prior to the pandemic and sister only had 1 child. Fast forward a few years and sister now has 2 more. DP and I had the experience of living together under very intense pandemic conditions while things were still pretty new for us. That seemed to go OK. Where things have gone wrong is the post-pandemic years where I've been trying to get her to engage more with my family. I'm talking maybe 3-4 events a year at most, think Christmastime and significant birthdays where immediate family + partners might be invited. Other smaller or ad-hoc get-togethers I would happily go to on my own, but it's important to me that we turn up together to "significant" family events and my family would probably ask concerned questions about the state of my relationship if I always turned up without her, as you can probably imagine.

Even this limited level of family engagement has been a struggle to put it mildly. At first it was at a fairly normal level of "slight unease around in-laws" which I assumed might be alleviated by better familiarity, but over the last couple of years in particular things have steadily got more and more tense to the point where I feel like I'm torn between my partner and my family.

DP's point of view seems to have shifted from "don't like children" to "actively despise them". Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend, and if she does attend then she spends the whole time sulking and pretty much refusing to speak to anyone. She is barely civil to my sister and brother in law, giving monosyllabic answers at best when they try to engage her in conversation, and looks through the children as though they do not even exist.

If I go without her she still finds a way to make passive-aggressive remarks about my family before and/or after the event, such as implying that I should just mail birthday presents rather than delivering them to my nephews/nieces in person (even though we live relatively close by and she knows I like seeing them) or making scoffing noises/rolling her eyes when I say I need to leave at X time to be there for such and such an event.

Even if we meet my parents without my nieces/nephews present she seems to try to find a way to start an argument, because she seems to resent my parents having a close relationship with their grandchildren. She also insinuates frequently that my parents somehow value me less than their grandchildren or that they give my sister more support than me - even though I've tried to explain repeatedly that this isn't the case and that it's quite normal for grandparents to dote on their grandchildren anyway.

This also gets echoed in my relationships with friends, most of whom now have children. She's still not met quite a few of my oldest friends and has turned down opportunities to meet them - if they have children she seems to pre-emptively write them off with sarcastic comments about how they've given up perfectly good careers, etc.

OH had an abusive childhood and I think a lot of this stems from the fact that she never knew "normal" family dynamics and never knew her own aunts/uncles/grandparents. She also seems to think that her mother (who was in an abusive marriage) ruined her own life and career by having children in the first place, and projects that onto other people who have children - hence frequent remarks at home about women "throwing away their lives", children in general being entitled, colleagues with children "skiving" when they are on holiday, and so on and so forth.

I think there is a lot of unresolved trauma here - almost as though she views herself as needing to avenge her mother - and a lot of fear or uncertainty on her part as to how to engage with family dynamics where children are involved. That said, she refuses to seek therapy - her view seems to be either that she knows better, or that nothing could help anyway. I try to support her as much as I can, and on a day to day basis it doesn't really factor into our interactions with one another as we have busy lives and don't have daily interactions with family. But it is getting to the point now where it is poisoning relations between me and my family whenever there's any sort of family event. We have had numerous arguments over the last few years where it feels like she is growing increasingly resentful of me wanting to have a relationship with my own nephews and nieces.

I don't want to split up with her. In private she is funny, clever, and incredibly supportive of me. But when it comes to meeting my family (or my friends) they are faced wtih indifference at best or even hostility, and that's beginning to spill into our private lives.

I'm at the end of my tether. After 7 years it feels like things should get easier, not more difficult. What do I do?

OP posts:
KateMiskin · 23/07/2025 15:46

BlueandPinkSwan · 23/07/2025 15:42

I don't really have friends, not bothered to be honest, so children aren't an issue.

The OP is bothered and wants to keep his friends. Many people do. Admittedly not on MN, where having friends is considered deeply needy and people seem to hate everybody and everything.

Personally I think giving up friends and family for this controlling weirdo would be insane.

BlueandPinkSwan · 23/07/2025 15:50

KateMiskin · 23/07/2025 15:46

The OP is bothered and wants to keep his friends. Many people do. Admittedly not on MN, where having friends is considered deeply needy and people seem to hate everybody and everything.

Personally I think giving up friends and family for this controlling weirdo would be insane.

Edited

Totally agree with you, I wouldn't stay with her either. Friends are fine if that's want someone wants but not everyone is bothered about them, a bit like spa days and birthdays on here.😀

Cherrytree86 · 23/07/2025 15:59

BlueandPinkSwan · 23/07/2025 15:42

I don't really have friends, not bothered to be honest, so children aren't an issue.

@BlueandPinkSwan

no friends???

Autumn38 · 23/07/2025 16:13

You say ‘in private’ she is clever and funny. What you mean is when she is getting exactly her own way she can be pleasant company.

She sounds controlling and manipulative. I’d personally leave her if I were you.

Dont let her ruin all your other relationships and isolate you completely.

ByPeachScroller · 23/07/2025 16:20

Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend

You have no right whatsoever to do this, and you wouldn’t dare try and pressure a male friend in a same way. It’s controlling. The resentment she expresses now is a consequence of you forcing her into contact with people against her wishes. I divorced my ex for doing this.

Flyswats · 23/07/2025 16:43

It sounds like she is jealous of you having any kind of emotional connection with other people. This is a narc trait. I know because I grew up with that in the house, my mother hated my friends, really hated them, she hated my boyfriends too and slagged them off all the time. Even at the ripe old age of 48 (me) she in her 70s was slagging off my friends and huffing and puffing.

I think you need to have a straight talk with her - tell her this behavior has to stop, that you'll help by going to therapy or she can do it on her own, but it has to stop or you can't move forward together. Let her think about it and come back to you. Just being around that level of negativity is really corrosive you'll end up wasting years of your life unless she can stop it.

Octavia64 · 23/07/2025 16:43

I think this is tricky.

lots of couples don’t get on with the family. Just think of all the jokes about mother-in-laws.

your partner shouldn’t be stopping you seeing your family but many couples do eventually reach a point where they just can’t both go.

my ExH was always very clear that he wanted a wife and kids to go with him to family functions. His family were abusive - his dad shouted and my final straw was when his dad actually hit me. I utterly refused to go to his family function after that.

even below that level, lots of people find other people’s families boring, annoying, and generally a trial to be around. My SIL had seven kids and although I quite like kids having seven running around being utterly feral really wasn’t much fun.

your partner might benefit from therapy. But don’t make the mistake my ExH did of thinking the point of therapy is to make her do what you want.

it’s perfectly reasonable for her not to want to see your family. She should let you go and see them, and ideally not comment, but your “need” to take her isn’t a need.

Frogs88 · 23/07/2025 16:54

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 13:26

Wow a lot of replies. I love all the armchair psychologists declaring me a psychopath, it only took a handful of posts to I get there too. Impressive work.

I haven't read all the replies. I don't really care if people think I'm a nice person or not. I'm not really bothered by the opinions of others, particularly those I feel have made poor choices, but I digress.

I will say for those who fear I'm on some kind of edge, I avoid children on the whole but espeically situations that could make me lose my temper. I had myself surgically sterilised at 24, the soonest I could find a doctor to do it, because I would be unfit to parent. Despite your opinions of me, I am at least self aware enough not to put myself or a child through that.

I hate that society expects women, all women without exception, to be natural nurturing characters who adore babies and family. I have had strangers leave their baby with at me an airport once, they didn't even ask just scurried off to the toilet with there other child. I have a very approachable face (unfortunately) and I don't like the shock I get when people think because of the way I look and my gender I owe them a certain personality.

I could never love a child, not a relatives not even my own. And I struggle to have any empathy for them. I'm not devoid of empathy, I just can't muster it for children. If I manage any it evaporates at the first inconvenience eg screaming, playing loudly, having filthy hands.

I don't have any friends with children either as fundamentally we would have so little in common it would be impossible to bridge. Somebody said they have a friend who has a cat even though they hate cats and are allergic. A child is very different because they dominate a person's life become all they talk about. A child changes the parents immensely. Moreso the women I know than the men, which is sad because I knew some glorious women who were reduced to little more than an exhausted nanny, unable to make conversation about anything outside of parenting. I'm sure somebody will say parenting is its own reward but I watched these women lose their hopes, dreams, ambitions, careers. This experience has only offered proof to me that the trade is a terrible one. Again, I have my own stupid things I waste my efforts/time/finances on, so I appreciate it's a matter of opinion at the end of the day.

It's fine to act all shocked and appalled by my post, but the only way to be heard is often to spell out uncomfortable truths. The fact is if I simply say to people "I don't like children" they often think I'm being silly, secretly envious, or as when I was younger saying it to be edgy. The fact is I actively dislike all children, but society finds it hard to accept this so it makes up it's own narrative and reason to explain it away insteading if just accepting an uncomfortable truth.

Edited

If you can’t bond with a child/ feel empathy for them is there a point where that suddenly switches? For example if your sibling/cousin etc had a child would you suddenly be able to build a relationship with them once they turn a certain age?

Surely children are just people that haven’t developed their cognitive/social abilities yet so do you also feel the same about adults with learning disabilities or elderly people with cognitive decline?

Boomer55 · 23/07/2025 16:56

conflicted84 · 22/07/2025 23:45

Repost, with full text this time.

I (male, 41) have been with my OH (female, 37) for over 7 years now.

Early on she made it very clear she didn't want children and that was OK with me as I felt I was too old to be a good father, had taken a long time to get established in my career, and did not have much of a paternal instinct, but was very happy to be an uncle to my nephews/nieces. Otherwise we were on the same wavelength and got on well, and still do for the most part.

My sister on the other hand has young children who are adored by all the family, and this has become a massive source of tension in our relationship, getting worse year by year, to the point I'm not sure where things go.

When OH and I first got together it was not long prior to the pandemic and sister only had 1 child. Fast forward a few years and sister now has 2 more. DP and I had the experience of living together under very intense pandemic conditions while things were still pretty new for us. That seemed to go OK. Where things have gone wrong is the post-pandemic years where I've been trying to get her to engage more with my family. I'm talking maybe 3-4 events a year at most, think Christmastime and significant birthdays where immediate family + partners might be invited. Other smaller or ad-hoc get-togethers I would happily go to on my own, but it's important to me that we turn up together to "significant" family events and my family would probably ask concerned questions about the state of my relationship if I always turned up without her, as you can probably imagine.

Even this limited level of family engagement has been a struggle to put it mildly. At first it was at a fairly normal level of "slight unease around in-laws" which I assumed might be alleviated by better familiarity, but over the last couple of years in particular things have steadily got more and more tense to the point where I feel like I'm torn between my partner and my family.

DP's point of view seems to have shifted from "don't like children" to "actively despise them". Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend, and if she does attend then she spends the whole time sulking and pretty much refusing to speak to anyone. She is barely civil to my sister and brother in law, giving monosyllabic answers at best when they try to engage her in conversation, and looks through the children as though they do not even exist.

If I go without her she still finds a way to make passive-aggressive remarks about my family before and/or after the event, such as implying that I should just mail birthday presents rather than delivering them to my nephews/nieces in person (even though we live relatively close by and she knows I like seeing them) or making scoffing noises/rolling her eyes when I say I need to leave at X time to be there for such and such an event.

Even if we meet my parents without my nieces/nephews present she seems to try to find a way to start an argument, because she seems to resent my parents having a close relationship with their grandchildren. She also insinuates frequently that my parents somehow value me less than their grandchildren or that they give my sister more support than me - even though I've tried to explain repeatedly that this isn't the case and that it's quite normal for grandparents to dote on their grandchildren anyway.

This also gets echoed in my relationships with friends, most of whom now have children. She's still not met quite a few of my oldest friends and has turned down opportunities to meet them - if they have children she seems to pre-emptively write them off with sarcastic comments about how they've given up perfectly good careers, etc.

OH had an abusive childhood and I think a lot of this stems from the fact that she never knew "normal" family dynamics and never knew her own aunts/uncles/grandparents. She also seems to think that her mother (who was in an abusive marriage) ruined her own life and career by having children in the first place, and projects that onto other people who have children - hence frequent remarks at home about women "throwing away their lives", children in general being entitled, colleagues with children "skiving" when they are on holiday, and so on and so forth.

I think there is a lot of unresolved trauma here - almost as though she views herself as needing to avenge her mother - and a lot of fear or uncertainty on her part as to how to engage with family dynamics where children are involved. That said, she refuses to seek therapy - her view seems to be either that she knows better, or that nothing could help anyway. I try to support her as much as I can, and on a day to day basis it doesn't really factor into our interactions with one another as we have busy lives and don't have daily interactions with family. But it is getting to the point now where it is poisoning relations between me and my family whenever there's any sort of family event. We have had numerous arguments over the last few years where it feels like she is growing increasingly resentful of me wanting to have a relationship with my own nephews and nieces.

I don't want to split up with her. In private she is funny, clever, and incredibly supportive of me. But when it comes to meeting my family (or my friends) they are faced wtih indifference at best or even hostility, and that's beginning to spill into our private lives.

I'm at the end of my tether. After 7 years it feels like things should get easier, not more difficult. What do I do?

I'd dump your partner. 🤷‍♀️

Newsenmum · 23/07/2025 16:58

I find it difficult to understand someone who hates children so much they cant be around them. She definitely needs some help snd I think you need to be as honest as you can with her about it.

Newsenmum · 23/07/2025 17:00

Frogs88 · 23/07/2025 16:54

If you can’t bond with a child/ feel empathy for them is there a point where that suddenly switches? For example if your sibling/cousin etc had a child would you suddenly be able to build a relationship with them once they turn a certain age?

Surely children are just people that haven’t developed their cognitive/social abilities yet so do you also feel the same about adults with learning disabilities or elderly people with cognitive decline?

Edited

I agree. You can not want children or find children easy to understand/communicate with but hating children is as awful as hating women or old people or certain races.

Newsenmum · 23/07/2025 17:00

ByPeachScroller · 23/07/2025 16:20

Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend

You have no right whatsoever to do this, and you wouldn’t dare try and pressure a male friend in a same way. It’s controlling. The resentment she expresses now is a consequence of you forcing her into contact with people against her wishes. I divorced my ex for doing this.

Ffs

wizzywig · 23/07/2025 17:04

I'm guessing she has barely any friends her own age then if she is allergic to kids?

Zov · 23/07/2025 17:05

Newsenmum · 23/07/2025 17:00

I agree. You can not want children or find children easy to understand/communicate with but hating children is as awful as hating women or old people or certain races.

It's bizarre isn't it, and as has been said, it does suggest deep rooted psychological issues. OR the lady doth protest too much. Wink

DiggingHoles · 23/07/2025 17:10

I used to actively dislike children when people were pushing them at me, thinking that it would change my mind about having my own. I guess i didn't resent the children to much as their parents who tried to used them as tools to change someone else. Bad parenting in my opinion.

However, as I got older people stopped telling me I should have children, stopped pushing their children at me and I now feel indifferent toward them. Mind you, I feel a violent rage when I think someone is hurting a child, but I am glad I never had any of my own.

But this is besides the point. This relationship is very unhealthy. Neither of you can respect each other's viewpoints and boundaries. You are trying to force her to attend family events, which she has said time and again she doesn't want. And she tries to isolate you from your family. This dynamic is toxic AF and won't get better. In fact, it'll get worse.

Break up. That's the only sensible thing to do at this point.

Jerrypicker · 23/07/2025 17:11

ByPeachScroller · 23/07/2025 16:20

Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend

You have no right whatsoever to do this, and you wouldn’t dare try and pressure a male friend in a same way. It’s controlling. The resentment she expresses now is a consequence of you forcing her into contact with people against her wishes. I divorced my ex for doing this.

Are you turning this around now and saying it’s all his fault? Wow!

I’m sure it’s not a physical fistfight with lots of shouting and all 🙄

wizzywig · 23/07/2025 17:12

I think being in your family's and/ or friends company is a direct viewpoint of how lacking her upbringing was and all that she isnt. That is why she rejects it. Otherwise she would have to work on herself. Most people who don't like something wouldn't act so dramatically over it.
Wouldn't be surprised if she ends up with an elderly male partner who has no young children.
As another poster said, I'm sure family and friends are hoping the relationship ends soon

CommissarySushi · 23/07/2025 17:17

Smokiejoe · 23/07/2025 15:38

I just wanted to counter all the negativity you received for this, I think it’s really brave to admit here and is perfectly normal- I’m sure you are lovely.

I love children, dedicated my life to working with them and most of my life is spent in the company of under 16’s and I feel like there are a lot of parents out there feeling the same way you do. The way so many parents talk about and directly to their children (and others children) isn’t too different to your own mindset.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the biological urge, some people want to pop them out but then ignore every area of their child’s development and put zero effort in to their parenting. The things I’ve heard from parents over the years makes you look normal, you’ve basically done more good for children by not having any.

Really? You think the person, who says she feels violent rage when children are around and that she would be disgusted if her partner even interacted with a child, is lovely? Would you still think she was lovely if she was talking about any other group of people? Elderly people? Disabled people?

slightlydistrac · 23/07/2025 17:23

There is only one thing for it, really. You have to give her an ultimatum.

Tell her that unless she seeks counselling for her childhood trauma & obsessive loathing of your loved ones, then you will have no choice but to end the relationship.

Cherrytree86 · 23/07/2025 17:27

ByPeachScroller · 23/07/2025 16:20

Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend

You have no right whatsoever to do this, and you wouldn’t dare try and pressure a male friend in a same way. It’s controlling. The resentment she expresses now is a consequence of you forcing her into contact with people against her wishes. I divorced my ex for doing this.

@ByPeachScroller

he wants her to attend family things every so often, certainly not all the time. Nothing wrong with that, it’s part of being in a relationship- you spend some time with each other’s family.

Ladydish · 23/07/2025 17:31

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

“Revolting” for your partner to interact with children, akin to “playing with a pig” ….😳

Wow. I’m not sure where to start with that and I’m speaking as somebody who doesn’t have a maternal bone in their body.

cobrakaieaglefang · 23/07/2025 17:42

I'm another that isn't piling on @Anotherparkingthread, its more like refreshing honesty.
I had 3 kids under 5, I was young, and quite frankly a very naive young woman. I had said in my teens I didn't want or like kids, I should have stuck to it. I was a crap mother. I was left with PTSD from childbirth. PND for 5 years to the point of hallucinations. Im now nearing 60 and have quite frankly hated being a mother and hate being around kids. I get fight or flight reaction to a baby/child crying even now all these years later. Until they are 10 ish I struggle to interact. Fortunately, 2 of my kids are more clued up than I was. They don't want kids. The 1 that did, its been a, predictable shitshow since day one.
Is it any different to the dog threads that appear here nearly daily, saying they hate dogs, would kick or kill dogs that even walk near them.
I'd rather have dogs, cats or pigs any day over kids around me.
I made a mistake that once made can't be rectified, ruined any chance of my aspirations/ dreams/ ambition coming true and left myself generally at poverty levels for life because I was too immature.

Jerrypicker · 23/07/2025 17:43

Smokiejoe · 23/07/2025 15:38

I just wanted to counter all the negativity you received for this, I think it’s really brave to admit here and is perfectly normal- I’m sure you are lovely.

I love children, dedicated my life to working with them and most of my life is spent in the company of under 16’s and I feel like there are a lot of parents out there feeling the same way you do. The way so many parents talk about and directly to their children (and others children) isn’t too different to your own mindset.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the biological urge, some people want to pop them out but then ignore every area of their child’s development and put zero effort in to their parenting. The things I’ve heard from parents over the years makes you look normal, you’ve basically done more good for children by not having any.

Of course she is admitting to her rage and hate on an anonymous website. Nobody knows who she is so there’s literally ZERO bravery about it. I bet she wouldn’t broadcast it though with her real face and identity on YouTube or Instagram, would she? And you compare her to parents who are in the trenches and exhausted, maybe struggling financially, so I think we can all kind of understand when they reach the end of their tether. But here’s an individual who actively avoids children, so she is not even close to them physically, she is not in the vicinity around them, yet she feels an urge to lash out at kids in an overwhelmingly violent way and you call her lovely!
I don’t know which one of you is more bizarre and disturbed.

Ddakji · 23/07/2025 17:43

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 13:26

Wow a lot of replies. I love all the armchair psychologists declaring me a psychopath, it only took a handful of posts to I get there too. Impressive work.

I haven't read all the replies. I don't really care if people think I'm a nice person or not. I'm not really bothered by the opinions of others, particularly those I feel have made poor choices, but I digress.

I will say for those who fear I'm on some kind of edge, I avoid children on the whole but espeically situations that could make me lose my temper. I had myself surgically sterilised at 24, the soonest I could find a doctor to do it, because I would be unfit to parent. Despite your opinions of me, I am at least self aware enough not to put myself or a child through that.

I hate that society expects women, all women without exception, to be natural nurturing characters who adore babies and family. I have had strangers leave their baby with at me an airport once, they didn't even ask just scurried off to the toilet with there other child. I have a very approachable face (unfortunately) and I don't like the shock I get when people think because of the way I look and my gender I owe them a certain personality.

I could never love a child, not a relatives not even my own. And I struggle to have any empathy for them. I'm not devoid of empathy, I just can't muster it for children. If I manage any it evaporates at the first inconvenience eg screaming, playing loudly, having filthy hands.

I don't have any friends with children either as fundamentally we would have so little in common it would be impossible to bridge. Somebody said they have a friend who has a cat even though they hate cats and are allergic. A child is very different because they dominate a person's life become all they talk about. A child changes the parents immensely. Moreso the women I know than the men, which is sad because I knew some glorious women who were reduced to little more than an exhausted nanny, unable to make conversation about anything outside of parenting. I'm sure somebody will say parenting is its own reward but I watched these women lose their hopes, dreams, ambitions, careers. This experience has only offered proof to me that the trade is a terrible one. Again, I have my own stupid things I waste my efforts/time/finances on, so I appreciate it's a matter of opinion at the end of the day.

It's fine to act all shocked and appalled by my post, but the only way to be heard is often to spell out uncomfortable truths. The fact is if I simply say to people "I don't like children" they often think I'm being silly, secretly envious, or as when I was younger saying it to be edgy. The fact is I actively dislike all children, but society finds it hard to accept this so it makes up it's own narrative and reason to explain it away insteading if just accepting an uncomfortable truth.

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And yet you’re on quite a few threads giving your advice with regards to children, and on a lot of threads about abortion as well.

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 17:45

Ddakji · 23/07/2025 17:43

And yet you’re on quite a few threads giving your advice with regards to children, and on a lot of threads about abortion as well.

Yes I'm very pro choice, obviously.

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