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DP hates children

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conflicted84 · 22/07/2025 23:45

Repost, with full text this time.

I (male, 41) have been with my OH (female, 37) for over 7 years now.

Early on she made it very clear she didn't want children and that was OK with me as I felt I was too old to be a good father, had taken a long time to get established in my career, and did not have much of a paternal instinct, but was very happy to be an uncle to my nephews/nieces. Otherwise we were on the same wavelength and got on well, and still do for the most part.

My sister on the other hand has young children who are adored by all the family, and this has become a massive source of tension in our relationship, getting worse year by year, to the point I'm not sure where things go.

When OH and I first got together it was not long prior to the pandemic and sister only had 1 child. Fast forward a few years and sister now has 2 more. DP and I had the experience of living together under very intense pandemic conditions while things were still pretty new for us. That seemed to go OK. Where things have gone wrong is the post-pandemic years where I've been trying to get her to engage more with my family. I'm talking maybe 3-4 events a year at most, think Christmastime and significant birthdays where immediate family + partners might be invited. Other smaller or ad-hoc get-togethers I would happily go to on my own, but it's important to me that we turn up together to "significant" family events and my family would probably ask concerned questions about the state of my relationship if I always turned up without her, as you can probably imagine.

Even this limited level of family engagement has been a struggle to put it mildly. At first it was at a fairly normal level of "slight unease around in-laws" which I assumed might be alleviated by better familiarity, but over the last couple of years in particular things have steadily got more and more tense to the point where I feel like I'm torn between my partner and my family.

DP's point of view seems to have shifted from "don't like children" to "actively despise them". Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend, and if she does attend then she spends the whole time sulking and pretty much refusing to speak to anyone. She is barely civil to my sister and brother in law, giving monosyllabic answers at best when they try to engage her in conversation, and looks through the children as though they do not even exist.

If I go without her she still finds a way to make passive-aggressive remarks about my family before and/or after the event, such as implying that I should just mail birthday presents rather than delivering them to my nephews/nieces in person (even though we live relatively close by and she knows I like seeing them) or making scoffing noises/rolling her eyes when I say I need to leave at X time to be there for such and such an event.

Even if we meet my parents without my nieces/nephews present she seems to try to find a way to start an argument, because she seems to resent my parents having a close relationship with their grandchildren. She also insinuates frequently that my parents somehow value me less than their grandchildren or that they give my sister more support than me - even though I've tried to explain repeatedly that this isn't the case and that it's quite normal for grandparents to dote on their grandchildren anyway.

This also gets echoed in my relationships with friends, most of whom now have children. She's still not met quite a few of my oldest friends and has turned down opportunities to meet them - if they have children she seems to pre-emptively write them off with sarcastic comments about how they've given up perfectly good careers, etc.

OH had an abusive childhood and I think a lot of this stems from the fact that she never knew "normal" family dynamics and never knew her own aunts/uncles/grandparents. She also seems to think that her mother (who was in an abusive marriage) ruined her own life and career by having children in the first place, and projects that onto other people who have children - hence frequent remarks at home about women "throwing away their lives", children in general being entitled, colleagues with children "skiving" when they are on holiday, and so on and so forth.

I think there is a lot of unresolved trauma here - almost as though she views herself as needing to avenge her mother - and a lot of fear or uncertainty on her part as to how to engage with family dynamics where children are involved. That said, she refuses to seek therapy - her view seems to be either that she knows better, or that nothing could help anyway. I try to support her as much as I can, and on a day to day basis it doesn't really factor into our interactions with one another as we have busy lives and don't have daily interactions with family. But it is getting to the point now where it is poisoning relations between me and my family whenever there's any sort of family event. We have had numerous arguments over the last few years where it feels like she is growing increasingly resentful of me wanting to have a relationship with my own nephews and nieces.

I don't want to split up with her. In private she is funny, clever, and incredibly supportive of me. But when it comes to meeting my family (or my friends) they are faced wtih indifference at best or even hostility, and that's beginning to spill into our private lives.

I'm at the end of my tether. After 7 years it feels like things should get easier, not more difficult. What do I do?

OP posts:
Cososom · 23/07/2025 08:25

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

Fucking hell. I'm not great with kids that aren't mine, and tend to find them irritating and boring. I'm not a great fan of snotty noses, either. But this is a whole other level, bordering on something deeply worrying, imo.

defrazzled · 23/07/2025 08:26

@Anotherparkingthread this post, on Mumsnet - that is absolute comedy gold love, well done 10/10. Reddit will have the time of it's life for weeks 😂amazing.

Desmodici · 23/07/2025 08:27

Psosugi · 22/07/2025 23:54

She sounds emotionally controlling and as if she is attempting to separate you from your family and friends. Frankly she sounds pretty horrible.

This. She's 'lovely' unless you spend time with anyone else. She's making it awkward for you in the hope you'll just stop seeing anyone else (and the kid thing is just a handy excuse; do you have relationships with anyone who doesn't have kids, which she is okay with?). It's coercive control, and coercive control is emotional abuse.
It won't change. You'll never be able to reason with her.
Have you ever read up on emotional abuse? It wouldn't surprise me if there aren't other things going on in your relationship, like gaslighting and blame-shifting.
This isn't a healthy relationship, and no amount of talking, reasoning, or counseling will improve it.

MrsKeats · 23/07/2025 08:33

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

You need some serious therapy.

LemondrizzleShark · 23/07/2025 08:33

Desmodici · 23/07/2025 08:27

This. She's 'lovely' unless you spend time with anyone else. She's making it awkward for you in the hope you'll just stop seeing anyone else (and the kid thing is just a handy excuse; do you have relationships with anyone who doesn't have kids, which she is okay with?). It's coercive control, and coercive control is emotional abuse.
It won't change. You'll never be able to reason with her.
Have you ever read up on emotional abuse? It wouldn't surprise me if there aren't other things going on in your relationship, like gaslighting and blame-shifting.
This isn't a healthy relationship, and no amount of talking, reasoning, or counseling will improve it.

Have to agree with this - she doesn’t want you to see your own parents, with no children present, because she knows they love their grandchildren? She won’t meet your friends because they have children, even though the children won’t be present at the time? And is personally shitty about the careers of your friends who do have kids?

Honestly this relationship would probably have never got going if you hadn’t been stuck together during the pandemic. Ditch her, and meet somebody able to be civil in public.

Cantcalloutanythinghere · 23/07/2025 08:37

NuffSaidSam · 23/07/2025 01:03

At what age do people become acceptable to you?

And does it gross you out that people used to be children? Like if you needed to see a doctor and they were relatively young, would it trouble you that just ten years ago they'd have made you sick to look at? But now you need them...

Do you see this getting worse with age?Do you think when you're sixty people in their twenties will make you feel this way?

You should do an AMA! It's a fascinating phobia to have!

My uncle is a bit like this. He struggles to hold a relationship as his partners outgrow him when someone close to them has a DC that they tolerate or they age and change their mind regarding DC. He started talking to me and my siblings once we turned around 30. But having been ignored for 30 years, it is hard to want to make pleasant conversation. As the youngest child by a long way, he will likely live a lonely life once his siblings have gone as it is hard to prioritise someone that spent many years blanking you.

LemondrizzleShark · 23/07/2025 08:39

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect

”The situation” is OP seeing his parents, with no children present. Your partner meeting his parents does not warrant this reaction - it is abusive.

Usernamenotavailable19 · 23/07/2025 08:41

DampSquad · 23/07/2025 07:39

She's just incredibly honest. And undoubtedly has reasons for feeling that way.

Not everyone is child or family orientated 🤷

You don’t have to be child oriented but feeling violent at the sight of children, she needs some professional help

User37482 · 23/07/2025 08:44

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

I don’t think you have to like children but some of this seems to be sheer hatred of them to an irrational extent. This is an extreme reaction to children and honestly sounds extremely unhealthy for you.

I never particularly liked children myself until my sister had one but I’ve never hated them, just disinterested.

User37482 · 23/07/2025 08:47

Usernamenotavailable19 · 23/07/2025 08:41

You don’t have to be child oriented but feeling violent at the sight of children, she needs some professional help

Yeah I mean if someone said “seeing or hearing black people makes me feel extremely violent” we’d think that person was deranged.

I was always just like “oh god I have to talk to this small child” I wouldn’t just look through them, it’s an unnecessarily cruel way to behave towards another human-being. I wouldn’t have stayed with DH if he was like this because I would have thought he was completely unhinged, not because I think theres anything wrong with being meh about kids.

User37482 · 23/07/2025 08:49

OP it’s a tough one, it’s clearly not a deal breaker for you but I think either you sit her down and say a) I think you have unresolved trauma and think it’s worth talking to someone for your own sake, not so that you’ll hang out with my family. Or b accept that you will be flying solo with your own family.

However to me it sounds extremely controlling, her not wanting to see your family is one thing, her making you feel bad about seeing your family is another completely. If you were a woman and she were a man I’m fairly sure people would think this looks like coercive control and an effort to isolate you from people who love you.

Sandyoldelbows · 23/07/2025 08:51

Another - you sound very unwell and I don’t understand why you are on mumsnet of all places. Odd.

OP - she sounds awful; jealous and controlling. You are 41 and it sounds like you’d like a family- you are not too old, there is another future for you with your own family and being a happy part of your own family, rather than being isolated and lonely with this unpleasant/ damaged sounding person.

AnotherEmma · 23/07/2025 08:53

Vanillazebra · 22/07/2025 23:48

She needs therapy and a lot of it. I honestly think you should look to leave.

First reply nails it.

OP, you sound lovely. If she refuses to do therapy, you should end the relationship. Find someone who is not actively unpleasant to your family.

tripleginandtonic · 23/07/2025 08:55

DampSquad · 23/07/2025 07:39

She's just incredibly honest. And undoubtedly has reasons for feeling that way.

Not everyone is child or family orientated 🤷

To be honest that poster sounds like a child herself

dontcomeatme · 23/07/2025 09:01

Reading through this thread like 😶 WTAF. Not normal at all.

Toothpastestain · 23/07/2025 09:04

@Anotherparkingthread

This is not ok
How do you cope in public places?
How do you feel about being in proximity other vulnerable groups?
You are the dangerous stranger I warn children about...

Dery · 23/07/2025 09:06

“ConfusedSchooling · Today 06:48

^ im actually struggling to see what you find appealing here about her when you write as though you love your friends/family, yet she despises them so much. Id struggle to look my nephews in the face knowing a partner hated them that much. Secondly she's driving a wedge between you and the family, do you really want to lose all that? You need a partner with a similar view on life/family. My most recent partner hadn't got children and had more of a 'seen but not heard' attitude. It didn't work out. He's not as bad person, he just needs someone similar to him.”^

This with bells on. Love between adults should be conditional. In your shoes, her behaviour that you describe would cause me to like and love her less and think less of her. And trying to isolate you from your family - that’s abusive. She sounds unkind and mean-spirited. Are you sure you want to stay in this relationship?

I completely understand not wanting children but I don’t understand people who truly and actively dislike children - as PPs have said, children are humans, we’ve all been children and children only come into existence as a result of decisions made and steps taken by adults. So I think having a true dislike of children (as opposed to just not wanting to be bothered with the irritation of a baby crying or a toddler having a tantrum) speaks to a profound and troubling lack of kindness and empathy.

Dolphinnoises · 23/07/2025 09:08

Assuming you don’t want to leave (although I imagine your friends and family are secretly praying you will!) then you need cost boundaries for her. You will be spending time with your family at their special events. She doesn’t have to come but you won’t be made to feel bad about it. You reserve the right to mention your family members in conversation. She is expected to attend weddings and funerals and be polite to everyone. If she can’t even manage that, you risk losing your family and it’s just not worth it…

moose62 · 23/07/2025 09:26

She doesn't want to interact with your family or friends. You do.

Children grow up, you will miss this and hey presto they will be adults but by then you will have a very small social circle and not really know your family at all.
It may hurt, but I would call it a day and look for someone who wants to be a part of your family and friends.

DrowningInSyrup · 23/07/2025 09:26

She sounds like a selfish pain in the arse.

Conniebygaslight · 23/07/2025 09:28

I think you need to leave OP. You are clearly very close to your family and she is trying to poison this. Please don’t let her.
as for @Anotherparkingthread that is one of the worse things I’ve read on here and if it’s real, you need to seek help for your violent hatred towards children. @mumsnet need to look at this. Jesus!

Neemie · 23/07/2025 09:36

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

That is one of the nastiest posts I have ever read. You are talking about a group of humans. It reminds me of some of the source material I read in history lessons on Nazi Germany. The fact you posted that on a forum called mumsnet makes it especially nasty.

Blueblell · 23/07/2025 09:40

It sounds more like she wants you just to herself and not share you with your family. It is very controlling behaviour. Causing arguments when you visit is to stop you wanting to go.

TheFormidableMrsC · 23/07/2025 09:44

Ignoring the psychopath who has posted upthread, I think your relationship has to end OP. She is alienating you from your family and it’s extremely controlling. There is no chance I could be with somebody like this. You will regret it one day. She needs help as her behaviour is extremely abnormal.

Neemie · 23/07/2025 09:55

A friend of mine had this kind of thing with her partner and his attitude towards gay people. She split up with him because he got more extreme as he got older. His hatred started to really get to her and it was damaging her friendships. I’m sure he had a lot of unresolved issues but it made him a nasty person to be around.