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DP hates children

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conflicted84 · 22/07/2025 23:45

Repost, with full text this time.

I (male, 41) have been with my OH (female, 37) for over 7 years now.

Early on she made it very clear she didn't want children and that was OK with me as I felt I was too old to be a good father, had taken a long time to get established in my career, and did not have much of a paternal instinct, but was very happy to be an uncle to my nephews/nieces. Otherwise we were on the same wavelength and got on well, and still do for the most part.

My sister on the other hand has young children who are adored by all the family, and this has become a massive source of tension in our relationship, getting worse year by year, to the point I'm not sure where things go.

When OH and I first got together it was not long prior to the pandemic and sister only had 1 child. Fast forward a few years and sister now has 2 more. DP and I had the experience of living together under very intense pandemic conditions while things were still pretty new for us. That seemed to go OK. Where things have gone wrong is the post-pandemic years where I've been trying to get her to engage more with my family. I'm talking maybe 3-4 events a year at most, think Christmastime and significant birthdays where immediate family + partners might be invited. Other smaller or ad-hoc get-togethers I would happily go to on my own, but it's important to me that we turn up together to "significant" family events and my family would probably ask concerned questions about the state of my relationship if I always turned up without her, as you can probably imagine.

Even this limited level of family engagement has been a struggle to put it mildly. At first it was at a fairly normal level of "slight unease around in-laws" which I assumed might be alleviated by better familiarity, but over the last couple of years in particular things have steadily got more and more tense to the point where I feel like I'm torn between my partner and my family.

DP's point of view seems to have shifted from "don't like children" to "actively despise them". Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend, and if she does attend then she spends the whole time sulking and pretty much refusing to speak to anyone. She is barely civil to my sister and brother in law, giving monosyllabic answers at best when they try to engage her in conversation, and looks through the children as though they do not even exist.

If I go without her she still finds a way to make passive-aggressive remarks about my family before and/or after the event, such as implying that I should just mail birthday presents rather than delivering them to my nephews/nieces in person (even though we live relatively close by and she knows I like seeing them) or making scoffing noises/rolling her eyes when I say I need to leave at X time to be there for such and such an event.

Even if we meet my parents without my nieces/nephews present she seems to try to find a way to start an argument, because she seems to resent my parents having a close relationship with their grandchildren. She also insinuates frequently that my parents somehow value me less than their grandchildren or that they give my sister more support than me - even though I've tried to explain repeatedly that this isn't the case and that it's quite normal for grandparents to dote on their grandchildren anyway.

This also gets echoed in my relationships with friends, most of whom now have children. She's still not met quite a few of my oldest friends and has turned down opportunities to meet them - if they have children she seems to pre-emptively write them off with sarcastic comments about how they've given up perfectly good careers, etc.

OH had an abusive childhood and I think a lot of this stems from the fact that she never knew "normal" family dynamics and never knew her own aunts/uncles/grandparents. She also seems to think that her mother (who was in an abusive marriage) ruined her own life and career by having children in the first place, and projects that onto other people who have children - hence frequent remarks at home about women "throwing away their lives", children in general being entitled, colleagues with children "skiving" when they are on holiday, and so on and so forth.

I think there is a lot of unresolved trauma here - almost as though she views herself as needing to avenge her mother - and a lot of fear or uncertainty on her part as to how to engage with family dynamics where children are involved. That said, she refuses to seek therapy - her view seems to be either that she knows better, or that nothing could help anyway. I try to support her as much as I can, and on a day to day basis it doesn't really factor into our interactions with one another as we have busy lives and don't have daily interactions with family. But it is getting to the point now where it is poisoning relations between me and my family whenever there's any sort of family event. We have had numerous arguments over the last few years where it feels like she is growing increasingly resentful of me wanting to have a relationship with my own nephews and nieces.

I don't want to split up with her. In private she is funny, clever, and incredibly supportive of me. But when it comes to meeting my family (or my friends) they are faced wtih indifference at best or even hostility, and that's beginning to spill into our private lives.

I'm at the end of my tether. After 7 years it feels like things should get easier, not more difficult. What do I do?

OP posts:
ConfusedSchooling · 24/07/2025 09:46

SoScarletItWas · 24/07/2025 09:43

In my case it’s not hate but it is strong indifference with an edge of disgust. Like other people may be phobic of, I don’t know, spiders or snakes or the word moist or anything else. In me those responses are triggered by children.

Yes, I was born like it. I don’t know why being child-free by choice provokes such a strong reaction in people.

ETA the concept of pregnancy turns my stomach at all points beyond conception 😆

Edited

@SoScarletItWas i think its fine to be childfree by choice, i know several who dont want children, but nothing on the level some of these posters have said. I mean, we were all children ourselves, dont they remember that!

KateMiskin · 24/07/2025 09:51

SoScarletItWas · 24/07/2025 09:43

In my case it’s not hate but it is strong indifference with an edge of disgust. Like other people may be phobic of, I don’t know, spiders or snakes or the word moist or anything else. In me those responses are triggered by children.

Yes, I was born like it. I don’t know why being child-free by choice provokes such a strong reaction in people.

ETA the concept of pregnancy turns my stomach at all points beyond conception 😆

Edited

Literally nobody has a problem with you being child- free. This is ridiculous attention seeking. Nobody gives a shit about your reproductive status.

The question being debated is whether child-free people have the right to essentially force their partners into never seeing children or people with children. A sort of apartheid.

That's it. You have decided to frame it as " Why do people want me to have children?" because you want to make it about yourself and make yourself interesting

SoScarletItWas · 24/07/2025 09:56

KateMiskin · 24/07/2025 09:51

Literally nobody has a problem with you being child- free. This is ridiculous attention seeking. Nobody gives a shit about your reproductive status.

The question being debated is whether child-free people have the right to essentially force their partners into never seeing children or people with children. A sort of apartheid.

That's it. You have decided to frame it as " Why do people want me to have children?" because you want to make it about yourself and make yourself interesting

Not at all. In my first post I said the DP was wrong to stop OP seeing his family because of her own feelings.

I mentioned the pressure that the DP might be feeling about having/not having kids because that’s real. I was told at all social gatherings ‘it’ll be you next’ or asked when (never if).

I agree that my reproductive status is by far the least interesting thing about me. By inference, is a mother’s status the most interesting/valuable thing about her? That’s what OP’s DP is doing when she projects her own views as ‘ruined careers’ etc. For which I also criticised her in my first post.

KateMiskin · 24/07/2025 10:13

SoScarletItWas · 24/07/2025 09:56

Not at all. In my first post I said the DP was wrong to stop OP seeing his family because of her own feelings.

I mentioned the pressure that the DP might be feeling about having/not having kids because that’s real. I was told at all social gatherings ‘it’ll be you next’ or asked when (never if).

I agree that my reproductive status is by far the least interesting thing about me. By inference, is a mother’s status the most interesting/valuable thing about her? That’s what OP’s DP is doing when she projects her own views as ‘ruined careers’ etc. For which I also criticised her in my first post.

Well, that's a lot more balanced, thank you. I agree nobody should ask anyone if they have children or not. But in OP's partner's case, it seems to go beyond that.

Anotherparkingthread · 24/07/2025 11:28

ConfusedSchooling · 24/07/2025 06:11

@Anotherparkingthread a few questions :

Why are you on mumsnet if no children/you hate them?
How does your DP and his family feel about you given your views?

How do your family feel about your views?

Similarly you say none of your friends have children, do they share the same views?

My partner's family don't really mind but they know I won't go to Christmas gatherings with the screaming kids there etc and if I do get tricked into it (happened once before, I showed up and the place was heaving with them) ill probably go sit outside for a bit.

I don't really know how they 'feel' though because I haven't asked. "Does my distaste upset you?" Would be seen as unusually confrontational.

My family have known from a young age that I didn't like children. They don't really mind but there's no young children on my side of the family except some cousins who I don't see. I only see my sister a couple of times a year because I don't live nearby and we are all very busy, so I have barely any time for extended family.

Some of my friends really dislike children as well but most are just indifferent to them, they don't want any and certainly wouldn't want to be locked in a room with one but don't get the rage.

scoobysnaxx · 24/07/2025 13:29

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 23:15

I am pleased you are appropriately offended.

I did comment earlier.
And so am not an armchair therapist I am a very real and very experienced psychotherapist.
your post is disturbing.
your post screams narcissism/sociopathy or even a personality disorder. You seem to love and relish in your hate for children.
mentioning violence in the same sentence as children.
it isn’t normal.
no one expects childless people to love children or envy them.
i really hope you explore therapy at some point and thank god you have been sterilised.

id listen to people and come off mumsnet, a parenting site.

you can offer nothing of use to parents or potential parents and especially women in a vulnerable position considering abortion. Totally inappropriate for you to be commenting. And so very very odd, considering you visceral hatred for them.

PigletSanders · 24/07/2025 13:40

SoScarletItWas · 24/07/2025 09:43

In my case it’s not hate but it is strong indifference with an edge of disgust. Like other people may be phobic of, I don’t know, spiders or snakes or the word moist or anything else. In me those responses are triggered by children.

Yes, I was born like it. I don’t know why being child-free by choice provokes such a strong reaction in people.

ETA the concept of pregnancy turns my stomach at all points beyond conception 😆

Edited

Does it trigger a strong reaction in other people? Or do you just want it to and as such read any feigned interest as ‘a string reaction’?

I can’t imagine giving a shit whether other people have children or not. I don’t particularly like other people’s children so it’s really of no interest. Same as I don’t really care if people don’t want to buy the exact same shoes as me. Or same car. In fact, I’d rather they didn’t.

Anotherparkingthread · 24/07/2025 13:42

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SoScarletItWas · 24/07/2025 14:04

PigletSanders · 24/07/2025 13:40

Does it trigger a strong reaction in other people? Or do you just want it to and as such read any feigned interest as ‘a string reaction’?

I can’t imagine giving a shit whether other people have children or not. I don’t particularly like other people’s children so it’s really of no interest. Same as I don’t really care if people don’t want to buy the exact same shoes as me. Or same car. In fact, I’d rather they didn’t.

I don’t want it to, no. I actually find it laughable that the first thing people think to ask is ‘do you have children?’ and then progress to such gems as ‘you’ll change your mind when you meet the right person’ (I’ve been with Mr Scarlet since the early ’90s).

If you don’t think it provokes a strong reaction, spend five minutes on the Mumsnetters Without Children board. Or read the replies to me and @Anotherparkingthread.

scoobysnaxx · 24/07/2025 16:00

@Anotherparkingthread if you can bother to read my comment again you will see I said based on what you’ve said here. No sweeping generalisations. You’ve said these things. Definitely no groupon qualifications. Fully registered and accredited with 3 degrees and decades of experience. A person and a mother too. Take heed in what people are saying. My suggestion of therapy is a genuine suggestion. If you take that a criticism that’s on you, I’d reflect on that.

Anotherparkingthread · 24/07/2025 16:58

scoobysnaxx · 24/07/2025 16:00

@Anotherparkingthread if you can bother to read my comment again you will see I said based on what you’ve said here. No sweeping generalisations. You’ve said these things. Definitely no groupon qualifications. Fully registered and accredited with 3 degrees and decades of experience. A person and a mother too. Take heed in what people are saying. My suggestion of therapy is a genuine suggestion. If you take that a criticism that’s on you, I’d reflect on that.

I can understand criticism even if I disagree with it. My ego is bulletproof, so I won't be changing anything, I'm actually one of the few people who you will meet who genuinely love themselves inside and out. I don't really care what anybody else's opinions are as stated before, if it makes you uncomfortable perhaps you have unresolved trauma and need to address why people who feel differently to you are so intimidating and cause such inflamation. It looks like you need help accepting the things or rather people that you can't change or disagree with. I don't care if people continue to have children, I just don't want to be near them. You have an actual problem with my feelings existing, having only briefly encountered them on a forum. Perhaps for you own sake work on some acceptance of others, not for my sake but for your own.

TwoFeralKids · 24/07/2025 17:49

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

You need help.

Jerrypicker · 24/07/2025 18:14

TwoFeralKids · 24/07/2025 17:49

You need help.

Don’t worry, she will come back and tell you that she doesn’t 😄
Just wait, it’s only a matter of time.

TwoFeralKids · 24/07/2025 18:17

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 17:45

Yes I'm very pro choice, obviously.

That gives me nazi vibes and I am pro choice

TwoFeralKids · 24/07/2025 18:19

Smokiejoe · 23/07/2025 17:58

I feel violent rage when people (mostly adults for some reason) make mouth sounds, chew with their mouth open, sniff up their snot and make other disgusting, but very normal, noises. I can’t help it, I have wanted to murder my DH (who I adore) for slapping his lips in his sleep and had to leave the room so I don’t scream at him.

It’s clearly irrational, she knows that, and doesn’t go around traumatising children- she actually admitted it on a parenting forum to help someone else like her, I think that’s indicative of a nice person. These are her inner thoughts, you can’t really police them.

I know someone that can’t look at people with a certain condition without heaving, it’s not her fault either and she would never be anything but civil and avoidant of someone with it to not make them feel bad, she’s actually disabled herself hence seeing people with this condition regularly. I know someone else that doesn’t really interact with elderly people because it freaks him out and makes him feel disgusted, he isn’t ageist though it’s just an aversion that he has to live with.

People are weird and have a lot of quirks, doesn’t make them bad unless they’re acting disrespectfully or hurting someone else.

Sounds like misophonia. My DH has it. Often goes hand in hand if you are autistic.

NapsAndSnacks · 24/07/2025 18:23

Why on earth would you want to be with someone that obviously hates children?! I understand not wanting children but it sounds like much more is going on.

Anotherparkingthread · 24/07/2025 18:27

TwoFeralKids · 24/07/2025 18:17

That gives me nazi vibes and I am pro choice

I love how dislike for somebody else's opinions = nazi when all good sense fails.

I am not building gas chambers for children. I am not interested in genocide.

I am pro choice because I can't think of anything worse than being forced to have a child. It stands to reason that from a personal belief system I would invested in other women have access to the same contraceptive choices I would want to have access to.

Literally somebody else brought it up, I didn't mention abortion on here at all. It speaks more about the people making that connection than me. As if my dislike extends to deciding all pregnancy should end in abortion. I will reiterate for those who fail to read: I do not really care what other people do as long as it doesn't have any effect on me or my comfort. I have my own things that other consider a waste of time, money and effort, but I do not need validation in the form of other making the same choices as me.

TwoFeralKids · 24/07/2025 18:29

Actively encouraging abortion whilst you actively hate children feels very weird and unsettling.

Anotherparkingthread · 24/07/2025 18:32

TwoFeralKids · 24/07/2025 18:29

Actively encouraging abortion whilst you actively hate children feels very weird and unsettling.

"I ran out of intelligent argument so I'm making massive leaps in logic."

Fmlgirl · 24/07/2025 18:45

@Anotherparkingthread that you are even on the Mumsnet boards though is the biggest irony of it all. You do seek validation for your choices.

Plastictreees · 24/07/2025 18:58

@Anotherparkingthread For someone who apparantly doesn’t care about others opinions or need external validation, you are spending a lot of time and energy on this thread. A nerve has obviously been hit. So much for your supposed ‘bulletproof’ ego.

I hope you are happier in real life than your miserable posts indicate.

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Zov · 24/07/2025 19:43

Anotherparkingthread · 24/07/2025 00:19

Girl, if I brought it up every time I felt like smacking somebody in the mouth I'd never shut up about it. Most people have other things to talk about as well as that, frankly when discussing abortions I don't feel the need to tell people I hate children, this thread is specifically about his partner who hates children.

Gosh. Confused

Zov · 24/07/2025 19:44

mylittlekomododragon · 24/07/2025 08:45

@KateMiskinI agree about it being an entire personality for some people. I cut contact with some friends after the female partner was vile when I had my DC. The final straw was when she said I stank of sour milk because of breast feeding (i didn’t) and tried to force me into another room in my own house to feed. Her feet didn’t touch the ground on the way out. Behaviour like OPs partner is tedious and dysfunctional.

Blimey, she sounds awful Sorry you had to suffer that!

Anotherparkingthread · 24/07/2025 19:52

I'm enjoying how much it's ruffling you all lol

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