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DP hates children

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conflicted84 · 22/07/2025 23:45

Repost, with full text this time.

I (male, 41) have been with my OH (female, 37) for over 7 years now.

Early on she made it very clear she didn't want children and that was OK with me as I felt I was too old to be a good father, had taken a long time to get established in my career, and did not have much of a paternal instinct, but was very happy to be an uncle to my nephews/nieces. Otherwise we were on the same wavelength and got on well, and still do for the most part.

My sister on the other hand has young children who are adored by all the family, and this has become a massive source of tension in our relationship, getting worse year by year, to the point I'm not sure where things go.

When OH and I first got together it was not long prior to the pandemic and sister only had 1 child. Fast forward a few years and sister now has 2 more. DP and I had the experience of living together under very intense pandemic conditions while things were still pretty new for us. That seemed to go OK. Where things have gone wrong is the post-pandemic years where I've been trying to get her to engage more with my family. I'm talking maybe 3-4 events a year at most, think Christmastime and significant birthdays where immediate family + partners might be invited. Other smaller or ad-hoc get-togethers I would happily go to on my own, but it's important to me that we turn up together to "significant" family events and my family would probably ask concerned questions about the state of my relationship if I always turned up without her, as you can probably imagine.

Even this limited level of family engagement has been a struggle to put it mildly. At first it was at a fairly normal level of "slight unease around in-laws" which I assumed might be alleviated by better familiarity, but over the last couple of years in particular things have steadily got more and more tense to the point where I feel like I'm torn between my partner and my family.

DP's point of view seems to have shifted from "don't like children" to "actively despise them". Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend, and if she does attend then she spends the whole time sulking and pretty much refusing to speak to anyone. She is barely civil to my sister and brother in law, giving monosyllabic answers at best when they try to engage her in conversation, and looks through the children as though they do not even exist.

If I go without her she still finds a way to make passive-aggressive remarks about my family before and/or after the event, such as implying that I should just mail birthday presents rather than delivering them to my nephews/nieces in person (even though we live relatively close by and she knows I like seeing them) or making scoffing noises/rolling her eyes when I say I need to leave at X time to be there for such and such an event.

Even if we meet my parents without my nieces/nephews present she seems to try to find a way to start an argument, because she seems to resent my parents having a close relationship with their grandchildren. She also insinuates frequently that my parents somehow value me less than their grandchildren or that they give my sister more support than me - even though I've tried to explain repeatedly that this isn't the case and that it's quite normal for grandparents to dote on their grandchildren anyway.

This also gets echoed in my relationships with friends, most of whom now have children. She's still not met quite a few of my oldest friends and has turned down opportunities to meet them - if they have children she seems to pre-emptively write them off with sarcastic comments about how they've given up perfectly good careers, etc.

OH had an abusive childhood and I think a lot of this stems from the fact that she never knew "normal" family dynamics and never knew her own aunts/uncles/grandparents. She also seems to think that her mother (who was in an abusive marriage) ruined her own life and career by having children in the first place, and projects that onto other people who have children - hence frequent remarks at home about women "throwing away their lives", children in general being entitled, colleagues with children "skiving" when they are on holiday, and so on and so forth.

I think there is a lot of unresolved trauma here - almost as though she views herself as needing to avenge her mother - and a lot of fear or uncertainty on her part as to how to engage with family dynamics where children are involved. That said, she refuses to seek therapy - her view seems to be either that she knows better, or that nothing could help anyway. I try to support her as much as I can, and on a day to day basis it doesn't really factor into our interactions with one another as we have busy lives and don't have daily interactions with family. But it is getting to the point now where it is poisoning relations between me and my family whenever there's any sort of family event. We have had numerous arguments over the last few years where it feels like she is growing increasingly resentful of me wanting to have a relationship with my own nephews and nieces.

I don't want to split up with her. In private she is funny, clever, and incredibly supportive of me. But when it comes to meeting my family (or my friends) they are faced wtih indifference at best or even hostility, and that's beginning to spill into our private lives.

I'm at the end of my tether. After 7 years it feels like things should get easier, not more difficult. What do I do?

OP posts:
healthybychristmas · 25/07/2025 00:00

@Anotherparkingthread You clearly have very serious psychological problems. Have you ever spoken to a therapist? Why are you on Mumsnet?

Anotherparkingthread · 25/07/2025 00:03

healthybychristmas · 25/07/2025 00:00

@Anotherparkingthread You clearly have very serious psychological problems. Have you ever spoken to a therapist? Why are you on Mumsnet?

I have answered all this in my previous replies

healthybychristmas · 25/07/2025 00:35

OP, have you ever thought that you actually deserve someone who loves you and your family and who would treat your parents well and your nieces and nephews just as you do? There are loads of lovely women out there who would makes such a great partner for you. The woman you are with is selfish and obnoxious and doesn't care for you at all. Can you imagine when your mum and dad are elderly and need help? Can you imagine your girlfriend helping you and helping them willingly?

Dreamondreaminon · 25/07/2025 06:32

SoScarletItWas · 23/07/2025 18:02

This is me. I find children irritating, unclean, and the incessant talking winds me up massively. I don’t feel violent towards them but they definitely raise my aggression / irritation levels. I can’t stand babies being sick, or unwiped noses; it physically repulses me. Even if they look clean at that moment, I think they probably wiped it on their hand.

I also hate the inevitable ‘do you have children / when are you having children?’ comments.

I would resist going to any family event where all the children were present. I wouldn’t stop you going, and I’d be ok seeing relatives or friends without the children along.

I also think your DP is projecting her own reasons for not wanting kids onto other people, like ruining careers etc, and that’s not fair or right.

But she won’t change. Only you can decide if that’s a deal breaker.

Not wanting or liking children is one thing. I have mane close friends and family who are childfree and aren't interested in kids at all, and I love them dearly, we have plenty in common and spend quality time together. And shock, horror, they don't think me having kids is my whole personality, and I don't think them not liking kids is their whole personality.
I also have a great fulfilling career, I'm the higher earner between me and my partner and I absolutely love my job.
I understand completely how kids can raise irritation and frustration levels for sure. But to have violent thoughts towards them or believe everyone with kids is haggard and career-less is at best immature and stupid, at worse sociopathic and prejudiced.

Dogaredabomb · 25/07/2025 06:56

Dreamondreaminon · 25/07/2025 06:32

Not wanting or liking children is one thing. I have mane close friends and family who are childfree and aren't interested in kids at all, and I love them dearly, we have plenty in common and spend quality time together. And shock, horror, they don't think me having kids is my whole personality, and I don't think them not liking kids is their whole personality.
I also have a great fulfilling career, I'm the higher earner between me and my partner and I absolutely love my job.
I understand completely how kids can raise irritation and frustration levels for sure. But to have violent thoughts towards them or believe everyone with kids is haggard and career-less is at best immature and stupid, at worse sociopathic and prejudiced.

That's interesting to think about children being or not being a 'whole personality'. Now that I reflect on it I do think that loving children/family is a lot of my personality.

I've always wanted children, had them young (happily) and I'm interested in children and young people. I like them and find them fun, I like to hear about my friends' children too.

I don't have any friends without children, not by design but because we'd have nothing in common. I just find it unfathomable to hate a group en bloc, how is it possible to hate all children - especially as everyone has been one!

I'm not at all keen on cats but I'd certainly be kind to and about a friend's cat and I'd want to hear about any worries or funny stories about the cat. To dislike someone because they have a cat is strange!

I would still take up arms for any woman's right to choice and to be childfree. But not to be hateful.

Plastictreees · 25/07/2025 09:34

It’s bizarre how a certain poster seeks to normalise hating children, under the guise of feminism. Utter nonsense. This is not at all comparable to a fear of potentially dangerous animals. It is akin to hating all short people, or those with blue eyes. It is insulting to suggest that those who are child free share similar views and also have violent thoughts towards children. Intensive therapy is needed to unpack what is really going on here but given the level of narcissism displayed in the posts this won’t be happening anytime soon.

Jerrypicker · 25/07/2025 10:02

Plastictreees · 25/07/2025 09:34

It’s bizarre how a certain poster seeks to normalise hating children, under the guise of feminism. Utter nonsense. This is not at all comparable to a fear of potentially dangerous animals. It is akin to hating all short people, or those with blue eyes. It is insulting to suggest that those who are child free share similar views and also have violent thoughts towards children. Intensive therapy is needed to unpack what is really going on here but given the level of narcissism displayed in the posts this won’t be happening anytime soon.

I agree that it is not normal to have such a visceral and violent reaction to all children. On the other hand you can’t vilify someone for a feeling, especially if they don’t act on it because they are able to control it, and they take steps to avoid situations where it could be a problem.
After all, you can’t police other people’s feelings and the contents of their head. Similarly, it is not gonna be your decision whether this person “needs” intensive therapy. She is a grown person and can decide it for herself.
She is making all the sensible steps so far: not having kids of her own, avoiding people who have children, and I’m sure she’s not applying for nanny jobs.

Dunnowotot · 25/07/2025 10:09

conflicted84 · 24/07/2025 22:07

"Very lonely" is accurate, I think - but it's something she doesn't seem to make any effort to fix.

She's sometimes spoken about not knowing quite where she belongs because she has several nationalities and grew up overseas but moved around a lot before eventually settling here. She's geographically isolated from a lot of her old friends now, hasn't made any real effort to get to know anyone new, and is alienated from most of her family. My own family have gone out of their way over the years to be welcoming and she's thrown it back in their faces.

A large part of me thinks she has a very deep seated fear of rejection going back to her childhood, which ironically only makes that outcome more likely given how it presents itself to others.

When you need to start to analyze and justify your partners poor behaviour by their childhood, its time to condsider leaving. It is HER job to heal from past wounds and do her best for her and you. The situation and hee behaviour makes you unhappy enough to post on mumsnet for advice. What is she doing? Carrying on as usual i assume? Level of effort from her part? She doesn't want all of you. Just the bits that are useful to her.

KateMiskin · 25/07/2025 10:12

Niles and Maris really says it all, OP.
I am sure Maris was clever, amusing and fun when she wanted to be, but I wouldn't want to be with her for the long-term. Too much hard work.

Plastictreees · 25/07/2025 10:35

I can and will vilify someone who chooses to write paragraph after paragraph, on a site which predominantly parents use, normalising and attempting to justify their hate and feelings of intense violence towards children.

NotrialNodeal · 25/07/2025 10:39

She's unwilling to go to therapy, you can't force her. So if I was you I would leave. There's plenty of lovely women who don't want to have children of their own but can behave appropriately at family functions/around children.

Dery · 25/07/2025 10:41

Another here who gets the Niles and Maris reference.

For me, it’s this:

“When you need to start to analyze and justify your partners poor behaviour by their childhood, its time to condsider leaving. It is HER job to heal from past wounds and do her best for her and you. The situation and hee behaviour makes you unhappy enough to post on mumsnet for advice. What is she doing? Carrying on as usual i assume? Level of effort from her part? She doesn't want all of you. Just the bits that are useful to her.”

She may be very wounded; she may feel a need to get her rejection in first. But this is so unhealthy. She has a loving and supportive relationship with you and your family’s warmth towards her was an opportunity for her to start healing. Sadly, some people do experience very abusive childhoods - I’ve read some accounts on here that made me cry - but these are people who have worked hard on recovering and have gone on to build successful lives. Instead of accepting your family connections, she’s trying to isolate you from your family. That is abusive. It sounds
like some very serious discussions and adjustments (on her part) are necessary if your relationship is to work long-term.

NotrialNodeal · 25/07/2025 10:48

Fucking hell @Anotherparkingthread
Can imagine you playing with your boats. Your special interest. The thought of you at a boating lake and a child taking an interest and interacting with you actually scares me.

Jerrypicker · 25/07/2025 10:50

Plastictreees · 25/07/2025 10:35

I can and will vilify someone who chooses to write paragraph after paragraph, on a site which predominantly parents use, normalising and attempting to justify their hate and feelings of intense violence towards children.

In your process of vilification just make sure you’re not becoming as unpleasant as the very thing you are trying to vilify.

You don’t like someone’s responses? Stop reading them. Easy.

I suspect it is not a site that predominantly parents use. It was originally created for mums a long time ago but it has grown much larger since. There’s no way of knowing how many of the users are parents or childless people. There’s no statistics, and can’t be and never will be, as it’s all anonymous users. Not even the owners/runners of this website know the percentage of different demographics of the users. NOBODY KNOWS!

Anotherparkingthread · 25/07/2025 12:16

NotrialNodeal · 25/07/2025 10:48

Fucking hell @Anotherparkingthread
Can imagine you playing with your boats. Your special interest. The thought of you at a boating lake and a child taking an interest and interacting with you actually scares me.

Why does it scare you? Incase I ignore them?

They are ocean going boats, I'm yet to encounter a child at sea.

NotrialNodeal · 25/07/2025 12:51

@Anotherparkingthread Because you've expressed a profound hatred towards a group of people (children) that makes you feel an unwarranted violence inside! This feeling you have has come about for the simple fact of their being. IT IS NOT A NORMAL RESPONSE. It is telling that you don't even recognise this as pathologically abnormal. The good news is you actively avoid situations whereby you are around children. That's something at least.

CanadianHobbit · 25/07/2025 15:12

I don’t like kids. I never have, since being a child. Surprisingly I now have one who I adore, but still don’t really enjoy random kids at all.
But before I had my daughter I often hung out with my nieces and nephews on my husbands side. It took some effort at first to figure out how to interact with these little “things” but guess what? I put the effort in. I formed relationships, I fought the urge to say “eww” when they ran to to me all snotty. You know why? Because I love my husband and his family, and nephew and nieces, mean the world to him. Because it’s a normal, polite thing to put aside some of your own personal preferences for those you love. It’s just what you do. I am now a full part of my husbands family and it’s wonderful.

You aren’t asking her to have kids or babysit. You’re just asking that she treats your family with some respect and interest. She will never change. I honestly can’t even try and excuse her behaviour - she is being childish and selfish, regardless of her difficult upbringing. You don’t treat the person you love’s family, especially children, like this.

SoScarletItWas · 25/07/2025 17:20

Dreamondreaminon · 25/07/2025 06:32

Not wanting or liking children is one thing. I have mane close friends and family who are childfree and aren't interested in kids at all, and I love them dearly, we have plenty in common and spend quality time together. And shock, horror, they don't think me having kids is my whole personality, and I don't think them not liking kids is their whole personality.
I also have a great fulfilling career, I'm the higher earner between me and my partner and I absolutely love my job.
I understand completely how kids can raise irritation and frustration levels for sure. But to have violent thoughts towards them or believe everyone with kids is haggard and career-less is at best immature and stupid, at worse sociopathic and prejudiced.

I think you have me muddled with the other poster. I’ve never described anyone that way.

Plastictreees · 25/07/2025 18:47

@Jerrypicker It says a lot about you that you are wasting your time and energy defending a person who has professed violent thoughts towards children, in an aggrandising and hateful manner with no reflection whatsoever.

And yes, MN is predominantly used by parents or those wanting to be. Thankfully there are very few people here that compare their partner interacting with a child to someone playing with a ‘revolting’ pig. Sorry if this upsets you.

Jerrypicker · 25/07/2025 19:08

Plastictreees · 25/07/2025 18:47

@Jerrypicker It says a lot about you that you are wasting your time and energy defending a person who has professed violent thoughts towards children, in an aggrandising and hateful manner with no reflection whatsoever.

And yes, MN is predominantly used by parents or those wanting to be. Thankfully there are very few people here that compare their partner interacting with a child to someone playing with a ‘revolting’ pig. Sorry if this upsets you.

It says a lot about you that you don’t even bother reading my previous comments, you probably just hastily read my last one, and jumped to the conclusion that I’m defending her. Even if you read all my comments, it’s blatantly obvious that you are too obtuse to understand that I’m not defending her violent reaction to children, but explained that whatever visceral feelings and thoughts she (or anyone) has towards anyone or anything, as long as they contain and manage those negative reactions and don’t turn them into actions, it is fine, you ignorant toad!

QueenofDestruction · 25/07/2025 23:42

Usernamenotavailable19 · 23/07/2025 01:39

very lovely indeed 😬

She is just being honest many people don't like children, i am fond of some of the children in my family but certainly would not choose to spend time with my husbands grand children I specifically dislike being around babies and toddlers I find them repulsive but from 6 onwards I like a lot of them and am quite liked by them. Anyway if nobody is being hurt you are entitled to feel how you feel.

Usernamenotavailable19 · 25/07/2025 23:56

QueenofDestruction · 25/07/2025 23:42

She is just being honest many people don't like children, i am fond of some of the children in my family but certainly would not choose to spend time with my husbands grand children I specifically dislike being around babies and toddlers I find them repulsive but from 6 onwards I like a lot of them and am quite liked by them. Anyway if nobody is being hurt you are entitled to feel how you feel.

I think you’re missing that she said she would feel repulsed if her partner so much as spoke to a child and that she feels violent urges when she’s around them. I think she needs to be honest with a professional because she’s got some serious issues.

TwoFeralKids · 26/07/2025 07:36

QueenofDestruction · 25/07/2025 23:42

She is just being honest many people don't like children, i am fond of some of the children in my family but certainly would not choose to spend time with my husbands grand children I specifically dislike being around babies and toddlers I find them repulsive but from 6 onwards I like a lot of them and am quite liked by them. Anyway if nobody is being hurt you are entitled to feel how you feel.

Would you be entitled to how you feel if you said you felt violent thoughts on hearing Muslims or black people? So why is it okay for her to say that about children? She obviously has something wrong with her.

SoScarletItWas · 26/07/2025 11:39

At the risk of turning this into a TAAT, over here the poll results suggest there are many people on MN who aren't wild about children.

DP hates children
KateMiskin · 26/07/2025 11:45

SoScarletItWas · 26/07/2025 11:39

At the risk of turning this into a TAAT, over here the poll results suggest there are many people on MN who aren't wild about children.

It's perfectly ok to not like children. Nobody has said otherwise.

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