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Working on our issues but would like advice

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togo1004 · 17/07/2025 13:19

My fiance and I are working on our issues. I’ve posted here previously and he’s been helping more around the house which is really helping.

i have a worry that I’m making him sick. He’s been losing weight, and he won’t eat a lot anymore and says he full after a few bites. He doesn’t seem as positive as he used to be lately.

we seem to get along for a day or two and he acts insensitive to my needs and we have a fight. For example, today he asked me to do him a favor. He said the water filter person is coming tomorrow at 1pm and he has to go help his grandmother file some taxes so he won’t be around until 3pm. He asked me to open the door for the water filter man and if he has any questions, he can call him. I didn’t answer him right away and just froze. I have some social anxiety and sometimes it’s hard to even meet the delivery man to receive package at the front door. I told him why can’t you reschedule? He said babe just open the door for the man to do his job and call me if he has any questions. So I told him my anxiety is bad and I’m afraid he will start a conversation with me. He said why would the water filter man start a convo with you, you will be working on your computer and I’m sure the man just wants to do his job and leave. I started crying because he was being insensitive to my feelings and didn’t feel validated.

then he pointed out a fact that I went out to meet a stranger for coffee and dinner last week, and spent the entire evening with a new friend (his friends and he knows I have no friends and I often complain that I have no friends so his friend met someone outside who wants to learn Russian, I happen to be Russian and I wanted to learn Korean, she happens to be Korean so he got her number so we can chat and become friends). He said if you can do that you can open the door for the man and let him do his job.

he told me he doesn’t understand me. He said how can you be an introvert, but love going out with my friends to bars and clubs meeting new people to make friends but cannot open the door for the filter man?

he says he’s introverted and if he hangs out with his friends he needs alone time to recharge. He thinks that I’m not introverted, but extroverted but just has some social anxiety.

I eventually apologized to him because I realized I was giving him a hard time. This man does a lot for me, so I felt I needed to apologize.

he said he’s super tired of fighting over small things.

how do I stop fighting with him every few days? I’m having a hard time dealing with his insensitivity and feel that I can’t bring anything up with him.

OP posts:
AtBeaverGoat · 18/07/2025 12:04

togo1004 · 17/07/2025 14:00

What is so extreme that I’m asking? We are in a relationship and I should be his priority. I told him
many times before, If I feel anxiety, no matter what we’re doing he has to calm me down and support me emotionally and he can’t seem to do that at all.

you sound extremely hard work, he should be the one leaving you TBH

Isthisit22 · 18/07/2025 12:13

Hope you have somewhere else to live, as it’s only a matter of time before your partner cannot take anymore of your issues and whining and breaks up with you.

SpryCat · 18/07/2025 12:25

Your mum being a heroin addict and you being forced in the role of her saviour explains everything about your disorders, your black and white thinking and you wanting your partner to save you.
As a baby, we think mum and us are not separate, we are one, as a toddler, we start to realise, we are a separate being, with our own needs and wants. That’s why toddlers have tantrums, they want what they desire and don’t understand that they can’t everything, it might be dangerous, too valuable to allow baby to have it or not good for them to have. When toddler falls over or hurts itself, they know mum will soothe them, or make it better. They start growing up, they begin to have their own personality, they could be very different to mum because, they are a separate person, their own person. Parents should accept it, come to terms with it because one day, that child will be an adult and you have to encourage them, to be themselves and learn to rely on themselves.
Your mum was running from trauma of the past, or maybe she got in with a bad crowd that did hard drugs, and became an addict. It was her own actions that caused her to become an addict.
You were her child, she was supposed to nurture and love you, unfortunately she was a heroin addict and incapable of bringing you up as you deserved. Addicts only think of the next fix, their own needs and desires, instead of you naturally becoming separate from her, becoming your own person, she made you her saviour. She absolved herself of any responsibility and forced it on you as a child. You were expected to be the parent, to save her from her herself, her addictions and even stop her from suicide. You was a child, you didn’t have to capability to be her rescuer, she forced you to not have needs or wants, only to serve her needs. When you voiced your needs, you were made to feel guilty, ashamed, you learnt early on to keep them hidden. You saw other children with healthy parents, you felt different, tainted and ashamed of yourself, you kept to yourself as you didn’t want them to find out about your mum and home life, how you were neglected, starved and mentally abused by your mum. You thought the other children had better lives, were loved because they were good, and you were obviously unlovable, really bad and tainted because your life was horrific.
First chance you got to escape from your mum, you ran, to a man from another country, you thought you could outrun the damage, your mum inflicted onto you.
You took your trauma with you, you took your mum’s addict view of life with you.

I am not responsible for myself.
I am not a separate being to the one I love.
I need someone to lose their own needs, desires to save me from myself.

Your disorders made you feel safe whilst you were living in traumatic circumstances.

There was hardly any food in the house, you were hungry most of the time, sometimes you were forced to eat food that smelt/ tasted funny, that made you feel sick. When you went to school, at dinner time, you were the only child who didn’t have have a lunch, you felt so ashamed, you told everyone, you wasn’t hungry, so they didn’t tease you. If on the occasions someone offered you food, your stomach was so unused to being full, that you would vomit. You felt more in control to not allowing yourself to eat, as being sick in front of anyone was shameful. The small amount of food you did eat were often sweet and sugary, you felt they took some of the pain away and gave you a high for a short time.
You found everything so chaotic as a child, living and caring for an addict, having to deny your needs, that certain actions, felt comforting. Whether it be checking the door was locked, washing your hands or having items stored a certain way etc. you felt if you didn’t do them, it meant something bad was going to happen, you were too young to realise, you couldn’t control the chaos, the abuse and traumatic events happening, even if you completed these rituals.
You didn’t mix much, you felt so ashamed, felt so different to other children an imposter, and got teased/bullied by them, that you hardly mixed. All your young life, you were hiding your mum’s addiction, the chaos of your home, you were warned by mum, to keep her secrets incase anyone found out, you would be taken away from her, to live with strangers. You took her shame and made it yours, you still feel you need to hide, to be scared that people might reject you, your still carrying your mum’s addiction as your own shame

togo1004 · 18/07/2025 12:45

Isthisit22 · 18/07/2025 12:13

Hope you have somewhere else to live, as it’s only a matter of time before your partner cannot take anymore of your issues and whining and breaks up with you.

Well we are working on ourselves now so I hope we’ll be ok! Thank you for your positivity

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togo1004 · 18/07/2025 12:46

SpryCat · 18/07/2025 12:25

Your mum being a heroin addict and you being forced in the role of her saviour explains everything about your disorders, your black and white thinking and you wanting your partner to save you.
As a baby, we think mum and us are not separate, we are one, as a toddler, we start to realise, we are a separate being, with our own needs and wants. That’s why toddlers have tantrums, they want what they desire and don’t understand that they can’t everything, it might be dangerous, too valuable to allow baby to have it or not good for them to have. When toddler falls over or hurts itself, they know mum will soothe them, or make it better. They start growing up, they begin to have their own personality, they could be very different to mum because, they are a separate person, their own person. Parents should accept it, come to terms with it because one day, that child will be an adult and you have to encourage them, to be themselves and learn to rely on themselves.
Your mum was running from trauma of the past, or maybe she got in with a bad crowd that did hard drugs, and became an addict. It was her own actions that caused her to become an addict.
You were her child, she was supposed to nurture and love you, unfortunately she was a heroin addict and incapable of bringing you up as you deserved. Addicts only think of the next fix, their own needs and desires, instead of you naturally becoming separate from her, becoming your own person, she made you her saviour. She absolved herself of any responsibility and forced it on you as a child. You were expected to be the parent, to save her from her herself, her addictions and even stop her from suicide. You was a child, you didn’t have to capability to be her rescuer, she forced you to not have needs or wants, only to serve her needs. When you voiced your needs, you were made to feel guilty, ashamed, you learnt early on to keep them hidden. You saw other children with healthy parents, you felt different, tainted and ashamed of yourself, you kept to yourself as you didn’t want them to find out about your mum and home life, how you were neglected, starved and mentally abused by your mum. You thought the other children had better lives, were loved because they were good, and you were obviously unlovable, really bad and tainted because your life was horrific.
First chance you got to escape from your mum, you ran, to a man from another country, you thought you could outrun the damage, your mum inflicted onto you.
You took your trauma with you, you took your mum’s addict view of life with you.

I am not responsible for myself.
I am not a separate being to the one I love.
I need someone to lose their own needs, desires to save me from myself.

Your disorders made you feel safe whilst you were living in traumatic circumstances.

There was hardly any food in the house, you were hungry most of the time, sometimes you were forced to eat food that smelt/ tasted funny, that made you feel sick. When you went to school, at dinner time, you were the only child who didn’t have have a lunch, you felt so ashamed, you told everyone, you wasn’t hungry, so they didn’t tease you. If on the occasions someone offered you food, your stomach was so unused to being full, that you would vomit. You felt more in control to not allowing yourself to eat, as being sick in front of anyone was shameful. The small amount of food you did eat were often sweet and sugary, you felt they took some of the pain away and gave you a high for a short time.
You found everything so chaotic as a child, living and caring for an addict, having to deny your needs, that certain actions, felt comforting. Whether it be checking the door was locked, washing your hands or having items stored a certain way etc. you felt if you didn’t do them, it meant something bad was going to happen, you were too young to realise, you couldn’t control the chaos, the abuse and traumatic events happening, even if you completed these rituals.
You didn’t mix much, you felt so ashamed, felt so different to other children an imposter, and got teased/bullied by them, that you hardly mixed. All your young life, you were hiding your mum’s addiction, the chaos of your home, you were warned by mum, to keep her secrets incase anyone found out, you would be taken away from her, to live with strangers. You took her shame and made it yours, you still feel you need to hide, to be scared that people might reject you, your still carrying your mum’s addiction as your own shame

Edited

You may be right, I haven’t delved deep into this yet with my therapist but I will eventually.

thank you for being kind and understanding

OP posts:
SpryCat · 18/07/2025 12:50

You are lost in the emotions from the past, in the injustice of your childhood, you can overcome your trauma and find yourself, with your therapist.

Thelnebriati · 18/07/2025 12:53

as my fiance it’s his job to make me feel safe. I don’t feel emotionally safe if he keeps invalidating my feelings.

Please talk to your therapist about the risk of 'enmeshment' with your partner. Another person can't save you, fix you or complete you. Its ok for him to disagree with you, he can do that and still be a safe person. Him disagreeing with you is not invalidating you!

BunnyLake · 18/07/2025 13:05

togo1004 · 18/07/2025 12:46

You may be right, I haven’t delved deep into this yet with my therapist but I will eventually.

thank you for being kind and understanding

OP if you knew someone, a friend or a sibling (hypothetically) who looked to you to deal with their needs and emotions on a constant ongoing basis how would you feel? If you were the only person they ever leaned on night and day and they expected you to fully focus on them any time they wanted or needed regardless of your own needs, would it have a negative impact on you or do you see yourself being absolutely fine with it, year after year?

Crazymayfly · 18/07/2025 13:08

togo1004 · 18/07/2025 01:14

This is where I disagree. The reasons for feeling a certain way may not be correct but the emotions at that moment is very real.

this is what gets to me the most about him. He’s gotten a lot better but he used to brush off how I would Be feeling by saying things like “why would you feel that way?” “But that isn’t what I said or did” and gaslighting me by saying I’m acting irrational or crazy.

this isn’t how it is, all feelings must be validated no matter what, even if the reasons for those feelings may be wrong.

we had a chat until 4 am, we’ve discussed everything that I’m unhappy about. I told him that I’m unhappy when he’s with his friends has fun without me because he’s my only friend and I’m home and bored and waiting for him. I know he needs his time with his friends too but I can’t help it, I get really upset when he is having fun without me.

then I told him that he manipulates words. He’s an extremely good speaker, so he has his way with words where he makes it feel like I’m the only person with problem. He says that I have an issue with being judgmental and critical of him over small things and that is a source of a lot our fights. He puts the blame all on me, like im the problem. I told him that it’s his fault also because he says things that really trigger me.

for example, last time his friend almost got divorced because his wife went through his phone and found some “not so ok talks with another woman”. But it turned out to be pretty innocent in the end proven in later text messages.

his response was that they were both wrong. He said he was wrong for doing what he’s doing but it’s also her fault for going through his phone behind his back. I said no, when there’s 2 lovers there should be no secrets and you should be able to go through each others phone without hiding anything.

this is where he is manipulative. He said no because what if he was having a convo with his mom/dad or a close friend and they were disclosing some really private info to him, entrusting him with information they don’t want anyone else to know? He said you are not entitled to that information. What if it was something super embarassing and this person entrusted him to not let anyone know? You’ve invaded now someone else’s privacy, and that’s where things can go wrong.

see how manipulative that is through ways of talking?

I was with him, another friend at a bakery and I nearly collapsed when he said that and broke out into tears and they had to calm me down.

That’s not healthy at all. I’m talking about your response - not your husbands. By saying him spending time with friends makes you unhappy is very manipulative. By saying you should be able to go through his phone is also manipulative - bordering on abusive. If a woman was posting a man was saying these things to her we’d all be advising him to run for the hills.

Please seek individual help - otherwise you’re very much running the risk of losing him, and I wouldn’t blame him for wanting to leave for an easier, drama free, more peaceful life.

MrsColinRobinson · 18/07/2025 13:28

togo1004 · 17/07/2025 15:17

My parents have a good relationship, they are partners like 50/50.

my fiancé is a bit more traditional, he’s from Asian background and he likes taking the lead in the relationship, which I find to be very attractive in a way but it also comes with down sides as he is very strongly opinionated and always giving me advice on how working out will help me with my mental state and trying to get me to eat healthier which I find disgusting.

I can’t even drink water without flavor..

Something really doesn't add up. Is there any truth here or the wittering of a complete fantasist?

It looks like since receiving pages of much needed blunt replies, you're manipulating your story to elicit sympathy.

You sound totally self absorbed and spoilt and STILL think you're hard done by. It's not surprising ppl aren't keen to stay friends.

WhatInFreshHell · 18/07/2025 13:29

OP, I would suggest you speak to your therapist about the possibility that you may have Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder. Your behaviour and reactions are not okay. You are abusing your poor partner. Your childhood and early adulthood trauma is absolutely not your fault, and you really do have my sympathies, but how you react to it now is your fault. It is not a license to treat someone who loves you in such an appalling manner. You absolutely cannot treat him this way, it is abuse. Please please please get some proper help, not some internet quack, you need proper psychiatric help. This goes far beyond a therapist or psychotherapist, you need a psychiatrist and immediately.

Dweetfidilove · 18/07/2025 13:36

togo1004 · 17/07/2025 14:00

What is so extreme that I’m asking? We are in a relationship and I should be his priority. I told him
many times before, If I feel anxiety, no matter what we’re doing he has to calm me down and support me emotionally and he can’t seem to do that at all.

How do you regulate when he's not around? Why can't you do that when he's present too?

MissMoneyFairy · 18/07/2025 14:13

An online therapist will not diagnose any mental illness and op should not self diagnose eupd which will just deepen her already unstable thoughts

togo1004 · 18/07/2025 14:15

Crazymayfly · 18/07/2025 13:08

That’s not healthy at all. I’m talking about your response - not your husbands. By saying him spending time with friends makes you unhappy is very manipulative. By saying you should be able to go through his phone is also manipulative - bordering on abusive. If a woman was posting a man was saying these things to her we’d all be advising him to run for the hills.

Please seek individual help - otherwise you’re very much running the risk of losing him, and I wouldn’t blame him for wanting to leave for an easier, drama free, more peaceful life.

Do you believe a couple should have secrets? I don’t go through his stuff, but I think there’s nothing wrong if I asked to see his messages although he doesn’t like it.

OP posts:
togo1004 · 18/07/2025 14:17

Dweetfidilove · 18/07/2025 13:36

How do you regulate when he's not around? Why can't you do that when he's present too?

Well he’s always with me. I need to try my best to let him meet his friends without me but so far I’m unable to without completely melting down into a panic episode.

so he hasn’t seen them without me yet in 6 months and I can tell it’s affecting him a lot because he keeps hinting that he needs to do “man things” with his friends.

OP posts:
MissMoneyFairy · 18/07/2025 14:17

togo1004 · 18/07/2025 14:15

Do you believe a couple should have secrets? I don’t go through his stuff, but I think there’s nothing wrong if I asked to see his messages although he doesn’t like it.

They are not secrets, everyone is entitled to privacy and if he doesn't like it then why do it, how does that help him or your relationship, why do you need to read his messages anyway, just to start an argument?

togo1004 · 18/07/2025 14:19

MissMoneyFairy · 18/07/2025 14:17

They are not secrets, everyone is entitled to privacy and if he doesn't like it then why do it, how does that help him or your relationship, why do you need to read his messages anyway, just to start an argument?

If it makes me feel safe then isn’t it worth it??

OP posts:
ForZanyAquaViewer · 18/07/2025 14:20

togo1004 · 18/07/2025 14:17

Well he’s always with me. I need to try my best to let him meet his friends without me but so far I’m unable to without completely melting down into a panic episode.

so he hasn’t seen them without me yet in 6 months and I can tell it’s affecting him a lot because he keeps hinting that he needs to do “man things” with his friends.

You cannot have written all this out without recognising that it is toxic behaviour.

It is likely that this man will leave you if you don’t seek help. What is your plan for when that happens? How will you regulate then? Where will you live?

ForZanyAquaViewer · 18/07/2025 14:21

togo1004 · 18/07/2025 14:19

If it makes me feel safe then isn’t it worth it??

No. As you are not the centre of the universe.

togo1004 · 18/07/2025 14:25

ForZanyAquaViewer · 18/07/2025 14:21

No. As you are not the centre of the universe.

But I should be his center of the universe. I give him my passwords also even though he doesn’t ask.

but he’s not the type to go through my things. I don’t either but if I wanted to he should be ok with it in my opinion

OP posts:
togo1004 · 18/07/2025 14:28

ForZanyAquaViewer · 18/07/2025 14:20

You cannot have written all this out without recognising that it is toxic behaviour.

It is likely that this man will leave you if you don’t seek help. What is your plan for when that happens? How will you regulate then? Where will you live?

I wouldn’t call it toxic but I know it’s selfish. I explained to him that I know it’s really selfish but currently I cannot feel good if he leaves me with his friends because I might pass out from panic attacks so he didnt see them without me for a long time.

im building up the courage now to do that in the near future.

OP posts:
LurkyMcLurkinson · 18/07/2025 14:33

togo1004 · 18/07/2025 14:17

Well he’s always with me. I need to try my best to let him meet his friends without me but so far I’m unable to without completely melting down into a panic episode.

so he hasn’t seen them without me yet in 6 months and I can tell it’s affecting him a lot because he keeps hinting that he needs to do “man things” with his friends.

This is so so abusive and if you look at the using isolation section of this wheel perhaps you’ll begin to acknowledge you’re abusive. Also, in regards to your question about secrets I think it’s reasonable to have some. His example of you not having to know everything about his friend’s personal lives is a good one. I also don’t think a woman (who earns her own money) should have to share everything she spends her money on. Not all secrets are harmful or relevant to you.

Working on our issues but would like advice
RainbowBagels · 18/07/2025 14:36

MrsColinRobinson · 18/07/2025 13:28

Something really doesn't add up. Is there any truth here or the wittering of a complete fantasist?

It looks like since receiving pages of much needed blunt replies, you're manipulating your story to elicit sympathy.

You sound totally self absorbed and spoilt and STILL think you're hard done by. It's not surprising ppl aren't keen to stay friends.

I agree it sounds like a fantasist making stuff up. Surely no one would agree to put up with this? Unless he has some kind of ' saviour complex'. In any case if it's true OP is just going to continue with this until her DP breaks.

supercali77 · 18/07/2025 14:41

I'm not sure if we're being trolled here. On the one hand op is admitting it's selfish. She can clearly see the prevailing view on here. But still goes on to suggest she should be the centre of his universe, as if this wouldn't elicit a very negative response.

SpryCat · 18/07/2025 14:43

The reason you can’t give him space to go and see his friends without you, is because your mum didn’t like you to have a life outside of her. She suffocated you so you would always be at her beck and call.
Can you see how your mum’s toxic heroin addicted personality is your measuring stick to your normal?

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