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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 14:23

Hi - I am just hoping for a little help here...haven't been through a situation like I'm currently experiencing and it's very painful to the point of making me sick.

If I can kindly ask that no one advises against workplace romances, as I work with several couples, some of whom are married and even one who is divorced. I know a lot of people in my place of work who met here and are now married and still working together. So I thought it was ok for me too.

I don't have a support system. My parents have both passed away and friends that I do have keep everything at a surface level, which has made me unable to discuss this, therefore I apologise in advance for the length. I can't face anymore harsh criticism, so if you don't have time to read this as I understand it is very long, or you are critical of me, please be kind. I'm blaming myself enough.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man. A few years after we started working together, he told me that his second marriage was on the rocks and that he felt unlovable. I told him that I thought he was very lovable and made a joke that if I'd marry him if they were to split. Again, didn't pay it too much mind and thought nothing would ever happen, went about my life. Another few years passed without incident.

As Covid was coming to an end, and with his marriage over, we had been getting on very well at work and one night out of the blue, he rang me and we talked for 5 hours about everything and anything. I had been single for a long time after an abusive relationship with a man from outside the UK who just disappeared on me one night after living together for almost a year. At this point, I hadn't had a relationship in 11 years and wasn't looking but I was really really drawn to this guy at work. We had a lovely conversation but again, nothing much to report afterward.

A couple of months later, I plucked up the courage to ask him if he'd like to have another phonecall (facetime). We were essential workers and still in the cloud of the pandemic so thought this was the best approach. I wasn't prepared for his response. At this point he was 49 years old, he stood up, started to rub his chest, said 'oh God no no...oh no...this is making me really uncomfortable...' and left the room. I had rehearsed this in my head all day waiting for the right moment and this happened. I was completely mortified, hurt and eventually went home and beat myself up for not being cool enough or maybe even good enough for him. When I woke up the next morning he had called me three times and sent me messages to see if I was ok. I texted back how shocked I was and how I had obviously misread the signals, but told him he was someone I had grown to like very much and that it wasn't my intention to upset or scare him. When I got back to work a few days later, he'd stopped speaking to me.

This went on for a couple of weeks so I just kept my head down and got on with it. Another two weeks passed and all of a sudden, he was trying to make me laugh again, which he always could. I was relieved he seemed ok, but just left him to it. We started to get on better, and for his 50th I bought him a silly gift, no one else in his life seemed to make an effort, so I wanted to do something for him. On one of our dates he told me that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy. (It was a bottle opener made from wood).

We would be here all year if I told you the full story but although he and his wife didn't divorce, they separated, and he said he wanted nothing to do with women for a year. This to me was fine and healthy but he made a huge announcement to me about it. Feeling it safe, I said 'well if after that year is up, would you like to have a coffee with me?' and he said 'yes...I will have a think about that'.

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics. In work that day he kissed me for the first time.

We had arranged for him to come to my home, as I knew him so well this wasn't an issue and we were going to have a few drinks. I made a real effort, scrubbed the house until it was shining, and made myself look really nice, I thought. He arrived at the time we arranged. We sat down for our first drink and he immediately started to become nervous again. He admitted to being nervous and I just soothed him, telling him to relax, it was just me etc...but he said 'no no I have to leave'. He was only with me despite the massive build up for 5 minutes. I was completely and totally distraught and thought it must be something to do with my looks, or weight etc. I'm not stick thin and quite curvy but he had been paying me so many compliments I thought he was attracted.

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me infront of my colleagues.

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.

Then he came round again - this time my idea I admit it as I couldn't let him go. We became more involved and he came to my home, asked to see my family albums, made me promises about holidays, the future, said I didn't have to be concerned about money anymore (I'm very independent so it isn't a money issue anyway but was nice to have support). We were close, talking on the phone, being intimate, he even said 'imagine how everyone in work will feel when they find out we've been together for like 8 months' or something..! He told me he wanted me to meet his family, and let me facetime with his sister. It was clear she knew who I was and paid me lots of compliments, telling me she only wanted him to be happy. I said I would never hurt him and would always try to make him happy. He told his sister that I would do anything for him and he told me he felt I was his soulmate. He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.

On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed. We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. Despite his text, a month later he approached me again, asking for another chance and when I asked him why he had told me he didn't want me, his explanation was that he had just freaked out because he knew I had such deep feelings. Of course I agreed. Nearly as soon as I agreed, he turned cold. Despite the fact we'd made a date, he became cold with me. When I asked him why, he said 'I'm not going back there, I can't do it'.

This was the only time that I visibly cracked at work. Someone saw me crying and told my colleague who told him. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc.

For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him, but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.

On the day that I moved, the guy was coming out of the department I work in. I don't know why he was there but he shouted 'Good luck in the new job!' at me and walked on. I have rarely seen him since but if I do bump into him he is very nice, talkative wants to show me pictures on his phone etc. I do not understand this behaviour. He was hiding from me, but now he's being nice?

Because of everything that has happened, I have become a shell of myself. I work alone now, with very little interaction with anyone, I've isolated myself and feel like everyone hates me or doesn't want me around. He has remained in his position, which I guess is down to me as I didn't make a fuss as I would never have wanted him to be hurt. So I've carried it all. I felt I had up to a point a good relationship with my former boss but he didn't speak out for me or help me with some of the language that was used, the hiding in the toilets and the silent treatment that the guy inflicted in work. I've heard rumours of being called names like Baby Reindeer which I never was. I never stalked him, called him repeatedly, went to his home, didn't do anything harmful to him at all. He said that 'you went about it all the wrong way'. I have never asked a guy out before so that was a huge knock.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man, I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together. My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me. I really doubt myself now, all my interactions with people and fear because I'm not picture perfect, or picture thin that this happened to me due to that. To me he is very handsome, so maybe that's it? I am so scared for my future now, and my health is declining. I didn't know it was such a crime to be in love but if someone does hide from me in the bathroom, it surely means I'm repulsive? Out of everything I had shared with him and everything he knew, the hiding is probably the worst. I have thought of ending my life because if I am that bad what is the point, but I am trying to believe that maybe this isn't my fault? I just don't know anymore and thank you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who takes the time to read this and for letting me talk.

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YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 10:05

BetterOffNow · 12/09/2025 09:39

I'll tell you my story... I was with my ex for 23 years, married for 16 of them. My life was built around him and I thought he was perfect. BUT he slowly chipped away at my self confidence over the years, criticising everything I did and making me feel stupid and useless. Then he had an affair with a much younger woman and I kicked him out.
It's only with hindsight that I can see the problem wasn't me, it was him. He put so many dark thoughts into my head that I truly believed I was a worthless person and I wouldn't be able to form a relationship again.
The man I'm with now is the complete opposite - he lifts me up and encourages me to believe in myself and I feel like a new woman!
I've no idea what my ex is doing these days as I've cut him from my life completely, which is what you need to do when you're able to get away from this job. It doesn't matter what he does in the future, only what you do. He doesn't deserve your headspace.

I'm so sorry you went through that, can I ask you a question? Now bear in mind this is from my headspace ok. But if they can have an affair with a much younger woman, does that not mean it's just because younger women will always be better? I'm so sorry to ask that I'm just trying to understand.

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BetterOffNow · 12/09/2025 10:11

YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 10:05

I'm so sorry you went through that, can I ask you a question? Now bear in mind this is from my headspace ok. But if they can have an affair with a much younger woman, does that not mean it's just because younger women will always be better? I'm so sorry to ask that I'm just trying to understand.

No problem, ask away!
He thought that a younger woman would be better but in reality once the novelty of their relationship wore off he cheated on her and there went that relationship.
I've learned that loving someone does not mean they HAVE to love you back the same. If they do it's great, but if they don't then it's time to cut the threads which bind you to them and move on and learn to love yourself.
That way you're happy single, and if someone comes along who is worthy of your love and adds to your happiness it's the icing on an already yummy cake😊

TheAverageJoanne · 12/09/2025 10:23

YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 10:05

I'm so sorry you went through that, can I ask you a question? Now bear in mind this is from my headspace ok. But if they can have an affair with a much younger woman, does that not mean it's just because younger women will always be better? I'm so sorry to ask that I'm just trying to understand.

How can younger women be better? Better than who? In what context? Is Sabrina Carpenter better than Kylie Minogue for example?

Guys like that who think like that are shallow and misogynistic.

YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 10:26

BetterOffNow · 12/09/2025 10:11

No problem, ask away!
He thought that a younger woman would be better but in reality once the novelty of their relationship wore off he cheated on her and there went that relationship.
I've learned that loving someone does not mean they HAVE to love you back the same. If they do it's great, but if they don't then it's time to cut the threads which bind you to them and move on and learn to love yourself.
That way you're happy single, and if someone comes along who is worthy of your love and adds to your happiness it's the icing on an already yummy cake😊

Thank you for answering that for me. I appreciate it. I'm afraid I just don't understand people at all.

He's left me feeling there's not much to love see. He said I was 'clingy' that I 'pick pick pick' at everything, that he 'can't cope with my love' that I was 'only a fuck' that he 'liked women from this certain part of Asia' that 'ladyboys had given him a lob on' that he had the nicest penis women he'd been with had ever seen, that I 'freaked him out'. He told my colleagues he was 'hiding in the toilets' from me and that he was deliberately packing up his car ahead of time to leave work so he didn't have to see me. He also announced to my colleagues that he was 'just going to stop speaking' to me. This was all because he knew how I felt and after he had told me I was his soulmate and that he couldn't wait to see how people would react when they found out we'd been together for 'x amount of months'. He then kept shouting at me, 'we are colleagues only'. Talk about a head melt.

So yes, he's made me feel there isn't a whole lot there to love. I loved him, deeply, but I wasn't a stalker, wasn't a bother, gave him space etc. Only to end up being referred to as Baby Reindeer.

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YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 10:27

TheAverageJoanne · 12/09/2025 10:23

How can younger women be better? Better than who? In what context? Is Sabrina Carpenter better than Kylie Minogue for example?

Guys like that who think like that are shallow and misogynistic.

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Their bodies. I remember when he went into my social media he brought up all the photos of me when I was 20 and said 'oh I bet your tits were really pert then'.

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Bittenonce · 12/09/2025 10:32

YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 09:31

Would it be someone who wakes up and thinks why am I with this fat cow? No?

Lets try a different tack, try to think a little differently:
Everyone who’s ever been close to this guy - wives, partners, kids - thinks he’s a shit. Everyone on this thread thinks he’s a shit. You still believe he’s a catch.
Maybe everyone else in the world is right?
There are a lot of women who’ve posted on here, trying, without any agenda or ulterior motive, to help you - who have, like you, been abused and manipulated and mistreated by unpleasant men. So do you think they deserved it because they were all dull, stupid, fat, ugly?
Or maybe, just maybe, like you, they’re decent attractive people? I dare you to tell them that you also think what happened to them was their fault.
I’m no therapist and I haven’t been through what you have, but I know it’s a serious head fuck to accept that what you’ve fervently believed is actually a distortion, whether that has been caused by a lover, a fraudster, dishonest politician, whoever.
You are still as confused and hurt as you were when you started this thread, I hope to God that you get some professional help to see you through this because I just don’t have the right tools.
I’ve got 2 shoulders you can use any time you like, but you need to dig deep inside yourself to make the changes you need.

BetterOffNow · 12/09/2025 10:34

YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 10:26

Thank you for answering that for me. I appreciate it. I'm afraid I just don't understand people at all.

He's left me feeling there's not much to love see. He said I was 'clingy' that I 'pick pick pick' at everything, that he 'can't cope with my love' that I was 'only a fuck' that he 'liked women from this certain part of Asia' that 'ladyboys had given him a lob on' that he had the nicest penis women he'd been with had ever seen, that I 'freaked him out'. He told my colleagues he was 'hiding in the toilets' from me and that he was deliberately packing up his car ahead of time to leave work so he didn't have to see me. He also announced to my colleagues that he was 'just going to stop speaking' to me. This was all because he knew how I felt and after he had told me I was his soulmate and that he couldn't wait to see how people would react when they found out we'd been together for 'x amount of months'. He then kept shouting at me, 'we are colleagues only'. Talk about a head melt.

So yes, he's made me feel there isn't a whole lot there to love. I loved him, deeply, but I wasn't a stalker, wasn't a bother, gave him space etc. Only to end up being referred to as Baby Reindeer.

I think from what you've posted that he could see how much you liked him and chose to use this to boost his own ego by being cruel to you.
That's on HIM not you!
You say you don't understand people but I promise you they're not all like that, in fact most aren't!
But you're only going to get to know the lovely people out there if you let this particular nasty excuse for a man go.
Don't try to understand him, I'm glad you're not wired the same way he is, he sounds dreadful and you sound lovely.
Start letting him go now. It won't happen overnight but make a start and you'll find the less space you give him in your head the more space there will be to love yourself.
And don't worry about what happens to him in the future, you're the only one you need to think about.

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TheAverageJoanne · 12/09/2025 10:36

He's left me feeling there's not much to love see. He said I was 'clingy' that I 'pick pick pick' at everything, that he 'can't cope with my love' that I was 'only a fuck' that he 'liked women from this certain part of Asia' that 'ladyboys had given him a lob on' that he had the nicest penis women he'd been with had ever seen, that I 'freaked him out'. He told my colleagues he was 'hiding in the toilets' from me and that he was deliberately packing up his car ahead of time to leave work so he didn't have to see me. He also announced to my colleagues that he was 'just going to stop speaking' to me. This was all because he knew how I felt and after he had told me I was his soulmate and that he couldn't wait to see how people would react when they found out we'd been together for 'x amount of months'. He then kept shouting at me, 'we are colleagues only'.

Yes, this description is of a real catch!

TheAverageJoanne · 12/09/2025 10:40

The Baby Reindeer stuff was used to make people think he was some irresistible piece of hot stuff.

I actually was stalked by a man I worked with after I'd been out with him twice. He tried to get time off sick because he couldn't cope with the rejection. He left notes and gifts and sent me horrible emails. I didn't tell colleagues or call him things at work. I confided in my best friend and went to the harassment officer at work.

He's doing that because he thinks it bigs him up. Most people who were genuinely being stalked by a colleague would handle it more professionally than that.

YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 10:51

BetterOffNow · 12/09/2025 10:34

I think from what you've posted that he could see how much you liked him and chose to use this to boost his own ego by being cruel to you.
That's on HIM not you!
You say you don't understand people but I promise you they're not all like that, in fact most aren't!
But you're only going to get to know the lovely people out there if you let this particular nasty excuse for a man go.
Don't try to understand him, I'm glad you're not wired the same way he is, he sounds dreadful and you sound lovely.
Start letting him go now. It won't happen overnight but make a start and you'll find the less space you give him in your head the more space there will be to love yourself.
And don't worry about what happens to him in the future, you're the only one you need to think about.

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What frightens me about this is that maybe he just used how I felt about him because I wasn't good enough to be with full time?

Thanks for the lovely comments I appreciate them. He's just 'there' all the time.

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YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 10:53

TheAverageJoanne · 12/09/2025 10:36

He's left me feeling there's not much to love see. He said I was 'clingy' that I 'pick pick pick' at everything, that he 'can't cope with my love' that I was 'only a fuck' that he 'liked women from this certain part of Asia' that 'ladyboys had given him a lob on' that he had the nicest penis women he'd been with had ever seen, that I 'freaked him out'. He told my colleagues he was 'hiding in the toilets' from me and that he was deliberately packing up his car ahead of time to leave work so he didn't have to see me. He also announced to my colleagues that he was 'just going to stop speaking' to me. This was all because he knew how I felt and after he had told me I was his soulmate and that he couldn't wait to see how people would react when they found out we'd been together for 'x amount of months'. He then kept shouting at me, 'we are colleagues only'.

Yes, this description is of a real catch!

What if because I was so loving though, it was obvious I always looked at him with love in my eyes, always defended him to others, always tried to be kind and do little things for him even if it didn't seem like a lot (for example I would never leave work without making sure the kettle was boiled or his water that he would leave out absentmindedly was chilled in the fridge, you know stupid things) but what if that was all so off putting he had to hide?

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TheAverageJoanne · 12/09/2025 11:05

YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 10:51

What frightens me about this is that maybe he just used how I felt about him because I wasn't good enough to be with full time?

Thanks for the lovely comments I appreciate them. He's just 'there' all the time.

No he did it because he's a user, full stop.

TheAverageJoanne · 12/09/2025 11:06

YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 10:53

What if because I was so loving though, it was obvious I always looked at him with love in my eyes, always defended him to others, always tried to be kind and do little things for him even if it didn't seem like a lot (for example I would never leave work without making sure the kettle was boiled or his water that he would leave out absentmindedly was chilled in the fridge, you know stupid things) but what if that was all so off putting he had to hide?

Then he'd be a bloody wimp.

BetterOffNow · 12/09/2025 11:09

YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 10:51

What frightens me about this is that maybe he just used how I felt about him because I wasn't good enough to be with full time?

Thanks for the lovely comments I appreciate them. He's just 'there' all the time.

Not good enough in who's eyes?
You are good enough to be with someone who thinks the world of you. If his perception was that you weren't good enough to be with him then that's his problem, not yours.
He used how you felt about him because he's not a nice person, not because you weren't good enough.
He doesn't deserve your headspace. Every time you think of him, picture him turning into a slug (or something you don't like) and laugh at how stupid he looks. You can retrain your brain into new ways of thinking, it works, I've done it!

AncoraAmarena · 12/09/2025 11:10

Honestly, stop with the 'what ifs'. Go back through this long thread and read what Every Single Poster has said to you and ask yourself why you aren't taking that on board.

You are going around in circles and you are feeding your own addiction to this man.

perfectcolourfound · 12/09/2025 11:12

Hi Op, I've just come across your thread and skim-read all of your posts. Sorry if I've overlooked anything.

But what comes across to me is that you ended up with this deeply defected, awful, crass man. You fell for him. You let him treat you badly. And now you're blaming yourself for his vile behaviour. You think it must somehow be your fault.

But that isn't how it works. From your posts I see an eliquent, thoughful, kind person in you.

I see a defective monster in him.

You were just unlucky to have met him. Not just luck, though. He will have sniffed out your insecurities and your need for connection.

Don't blame yourself for any of this. And don't look for ways it must have been your fault, or you could have fixed it. You couldn't fix it because the fault was all with him.

I'm really sorry you lost your parents. And I'm sorry your friends haven't been much use. You deserve better. Is there one friend you could approach and explain that you need to be able to talk about this and to have a more than superficial friendship?

If not, perhaps you could look to widening your circle of friends.

In the meantime, if you can work on your self esteem (is therpay an option? Sorry if that's already been discussed) so that you build yourself up and feel more able to buield new friendships. And more importantly, to never let a man treat you like that again. You deserve better.

TheAverageJoanne · 12/09/2025 11:14

@perfectcolourfound 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

FrogFrogFrog · 12/09/2025 11:15

OP, this thread has been almost 40 pages now of people trying and trying to get through to you. Thousands of words - heartfelt, sometimes deeply personal - have been typed in an attempt to help you. But I'm not sure any of it has, because as the saying goes, 'You can't logic someone out of a position that they didn't logic themselves into.'

The fact is, none of us - no matter how hard we try - can convince you that you're a person of worth and that you deserve so much better than this guy, even though it's blindingly obvious to everyone here.

You're the only one who can do that. You're the only one who can choose to value yourself enough to do the needed work on your self-esteem and mindset. It sounds trite, but it isn't: when you learn to love yourself, everything else will follow. I sincerely hope that someday you'll understand that.

I'm out of this thread now. I wish you all the best, lovely @YourBrickTiger. x

Itsalittlewetout · 12/09/2025 11:16

YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 10:05

I'm so sorry you went through that, can I ask you a question? Now bear in mind this is from my headspace ok. But if they can have an affair with a much younger woman, does that not mean it's just because younger women will always be better? I'm so sorry to ask that I'm just trying to understand.

My ex after I finally left found another partner and she is 15 years younger than him. They do this because they are clever, they know that younger women are less experienced and less able to see the red flags. As they age comes wisdom so all their relationships have an expiration date. They look for pretty girls and yeah my partner gf is pretty. They look outwardly in their world so the girl needs to reflect how they view themselves. But he treats her the same as he treated me. I know this because we share a child and he shouts at the gf as he shouted at me. We are all born with different faces, it really shouldn’t reflect how we are treated. She is quite a pretty young girl but she doesn’t deserve to be treated appallingly either just because she’s inexperienced.

YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 11:24

TheAverageJoanne · 12/09/2025 10:40

The Baby Reindeer stuff was used to make people think he was some irresistible piece of hot stuff.

I actually was stalked by a man I worked with after I'd been out with him twice. He tried to get time off sick because he couldn't cope with the rejection. He left notes and gifts and sent me horrible emails. I didn't tell colleagues or call him things at work. I confided in my best friend and went to the harassment officer at work.

He's doing that because he thinks it bigs him up. Most people who were genuinely being stalked by a colleague would handle it more professionally than that.

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That's dreadful. I will be totally honest about the things I have 'bought': These incidences were before we were together and one after.

The donuts aka DonutGate. I felt I was being kind. I think I bought 2, maybe 3 packets of donuts over the course of a couple of months. I was very aware that he couldn't eat all of them, but thought he could share them with the guys. I thought it was a nice thing to do as I liked him and he seemed to need cheering up. The first time I did it he blew me a kiss and so I thought it was ok. But by the third packet, I was brought into a meeting with my boss who explained although my intentions may have been good, that's not how it was being received. And if I continued it may go down the line of 'harrassment'. I was handed a book on what qualifies as 'harrassment'.

I never did anything like that again. But I vividly remember one day one of our other staff bringing donuts in for the team and he was happy to take those. He even said in front of her 'would you like one?' to me.

I had stayed away and things sort of settled down. I was very aware his 50th was coming up and we were still sort of in Covid, only essential workers, and he had no one to do anything special for him. It broke my heart so I thought I will do something small (in hindsight ok probably very stupid). I got a silly card and designed a beer opener which wasn't expensive but I had it engraved with his name and 50 on it. He said he really really liked it. I didn't do it for any other reason other than to be kind. He later told me on one of our dates that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy.

The only other thing I ever bought him was for another birthday, we weren't together but I wanted to show him (I know I'm stupid) that I wanted to put the past behind us with no bitterness so I got him a stupid pair of socks and a small (very very small) bottle of whisky in a glass (one of those sets). He said again he thought it was really nice.

Other than that I've only ever passed on condolences if someone dies.

I have never and would never, make silent phonecalls, turn up at his house, follow him, invade his space, I just wouldn't. I wouldn't cross that line.

He took my gifts etc, which I did out of the kindness of my heart and did it because I truly believed he had no one to help celebrate his birthdays etc. He had no 50th party, no nice Christmas' etc. Because I cared, I wanted to let him know he had someone. I've always told him I'm always here for him but it's not enough. Whatever it is I'm missing, it's not enough for him to want me even though he said I had 'broken down' some of his walls. Any time I've tried to be nice, supportive or just present, without expectation, it's been met with mockery and at worst times, cruelty.

And now it's spilling over into other relationships. Like this morning I saw my old boss and we had had an emergency. I asked him what happened and he said 'we've had a medical emergency' but then proceeded to tell my colleague exactly what had happened and she said to me 'oh he told me all about it'. CUE HUGE PARANOIA and I started to cry because I think everyone hates me. She said 'oh he told me all about it' and I'm thinking what's wrong with telling me? Again, my old boss I've been nothing but supportive of and kind to.

I honestly just feel like running away. I don't feel anyone wants me around.

And what if he is irresistable? That just means I didn't meet his standards because anyone who believes they are irresistable is always going to want somebody stunning.

OP posts:
YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 11:26

FrogFrogFrog · 12/09/2025 11:15

OP, this thread has been almost 40 pages now of people trying and trying to get through to you. Thousands of words - heartfelt, sometimes deeply personal - have been typed in an attempt to help you. But I'm not sure any of it has, because as the saying goes, 'You can't logic someone out of a position that they didn't logic themselves into.'

The fact is, none of us - no matter how hard we try - can convince you that you're a person of worth and that you deserve so much better than this guy, even though it's blindingly obvious to everyone here.

You're the only one who can do that. You're the only one who can choose to value yourself enough to do the needed work on your self-esteem and mindset. It sounds trite, but it isn't: when you learn to love yourself, everything else will follow. I sincerely hope that someday you'll understand that.

I'm out of this thread now. I wish you all the best, lovely @YourBrickTiger. x

Thank you, I'm sorry I've driven you away too. I really appreciate your time, so sorry. x I don't have anyone to talk to. No one at home, no friends. I'm sorry x

OP posts:
TheAverageJoanne · 12/09/2025 11:36

And what if he is irresistible? That just means I didn't meet his standards because anyone who believes they are irresistible is always going to want somebody stunning.

He's very resistible! He tosses himself off at work. He reduces women to sexual objects. He rapes women. He sexually harasses women.

The only place he's irresistible is in his warped mind.

Sunflowers67 · 12/09/2025 13:42

You have automatically assumed that you have driven Frog away because you are too much. Frog may have triggers themselves within your post but took the time to reply despite that. Frog may well have huge caring responsibilities at home. Frog may well just pop on and pop off on here - but you assumed they had been driven away by you.
See a pattern?
It is very negative thinking, like you are hardwired to default to negativity.
I am not judging or blaming and I do understand - BUT - you have to start changing that.
YOU have to - no one else can. If I could, I would do it for you as I know I can. I would want to change. I would want to stop this vile man from invading my every thought and wasting even more of my life.
Do you want this to stop Tiger? Do you want this man out of your mind and life or is that a scary thought? Are you clinging to this belief because it feels safe and comfortable, even though its unpleasant?
Sometimes, we cling on and stop ourselves from starting the healing process because of that fear. Does that make sense?
I have a habit of waffling on, but I know what I mean :-)

Would you have felt better if he had physically attacked you, raped you, left bruises that could be felt and seen, maybe emptied your bank account or kicked one of your cats? Would you then have seen that he was the bad guy? Or would you have said it was your fault as you wound him up or didn't make his coffee exactly as he liked it?

You were badly treated by him, you were abused by him, everything you write about him shows that. Us lot on here are probably more experienced in these creeps than any book or podcast and we know you were abused by him.

When are you next seeing your therapist?
What are you doing this weekend?
What nice thing are you doing for yourself today?
And you are forbidden for mentioning him in that post.

TheAverageJoanne · 12/09/2025 14:11

@Sunflowers67 🌻 but she can mention the cats! How many cats do you have @YourBrickTiger and what colour are they and how old are they?

CrownCoats · 12/09/2025 14:36

YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 09:31

Would it be someone who wakes up and thinks why am I with this fat cow? No?

No. People keeping trying to tell you that this isn’t anything you’ve done or anything to do with who you are.

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