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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 14:23

Hi - I am just hoping for a little help here...haven't been through a situation like I'm currently experiencing and it's very painful to the point of making me sick.

If I can kindly ask that no one advises against workplace romances, as I work with several couples, some of whom are married and even one who is divorced. I know a lot of people in my place of work who met here and are now married and still working together. So I thought it was ok for me too.

I don't have a support system. My parents have both passed away and friends that I do have keep everything at a surface level, which has made me unable to discuss this, therefore I apologise in advance for the length. I can't face anymore harsh criticism, so if you don't have time to read this as I understand it is very long, or you are critical of me, please be kind. I'm blaming myself enough.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man. A few years after we started working together, he told me that his second marriage was on the rocks and that he felt unlovable. I told him that I thought he was very lovable and made a joke that if I'd marry him if they were to split. Again, didn't pay it too much mind and thought nothing would ever happen, went about my life. Another few years passed without incident.

As Covid was coming to an end, and with his marriage over, we had been getting on very well at work and one night out of the blue, he rang me and we talked for 5 hours about everything and anything. I had been single for a long time after an abusive relationship with a man from outside the UK who just disappeared on me one night after living together for almost a year. At this point, I hadn't had a relationship in 11 years and wasn't looking but I was really really drawn to this guy at work. We had a lovely conversation but again, nothing much to report afterward.

A couple of months later, I plucked up the courage to ask him if he'd like to have another phonecall (facetime). We were essential workers and still in the cloud of the pandemic so thought this was the best approach. I wasn't prepared for his response. At this point he was 49 years old, he stood up, started to rub his chest, said 'oh God no no...oh no...this is making me really uncomfortable...' and left the room. I had rehearsed this in my head all day waiting for the right moment and this happened. I was completely mortified, hurt and eventually went home and beat myself up for not being cool enough or maybe even good enough for him. When I woke up the next morning he had called me three times and sent me messages to see if I was ok. I texted back how shocked I was and how I had obviously misread the signals, but told him he was someone I had grown to like very much and that it wasn't my intention to upset or scare him. When I got back to work a few days later, he'd stopped speaking to me.

This went on for a couple of weeks so I just kept my head down and got on with it. Another two weeks passed and all of a sudden, he was trying to make me laugh again, which he always could. I was relieved he seemed ok, but just left him to it. We started to get on better, and for his 50th I bought him a silly gift, no one else in his life seemed to make an effort, so I wanted to do something for him. On one of our dates he told me that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy. (It was a bottle opener made from wood).

We would be here all year if I told you the full story but although he and his wife didn't divorce, they separated, and he said he wanted nothing to do with women for a year. This to me was fine and healthy but he made a huge announcement to me about it. Feeling it safe, I said 'well if after that year is up, would you like to have a coffee with me?' and he said 'yes...I will have a think about that'.

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics. In work that day he kissed me for the first time.

We had arranged for him to come to my home, as I knew him so well this wasn't an issue and we were going to have a few drinks. I made a real effort, scrubbed the house until it was shining, and made myself look really nice, I thought. He arrived at the time we arranged. We sat down for our first drink and he immediately started to become nervous again. He admitted to being nervous and I just soothed him, telling him to relax, it was just me etc...but he said 'no no I have to leave'. He was only with me despite the massive build up for 5 minutes. I was completely and totally distraught and thought it must be something to do with my looks, or weight etc. I'm not stick thin and quite curvy but he had been paying me so many compliments I thought he was attracted.

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me infront of my colleagues.

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.

Then he came round again - this time my idea I admit it as I couldn't let him go. We became more involved and he came to my home, asked to see my family albums, made me promises about holidays, the future, said I didn't have to be concerned about money anymore (I'm very independent so it isn't a money issue anyway but was nice to have support). We were close, talking on the phone, being intimate, he even said 'imagine how everyone in work will feel when they find out we've been together for like 8 months' or something..! He told me he wanted me to meet his family, and let me facetime with his sister. It was clear she knew who I was and paid me lots of compliments, telling me she only wanted him to be happy. I said I would never hurt him and would always try to make him happy. He told his sister that I would do anything for him and he told me he felt I was his soulmate. He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.

On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed. We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. Despite his text, a month later he approached me again, asking for another chance and when I asked him why he had told me he didn't want me, his explanation was that he had just freaked out because he knew I had such deep feelings. Of course I agreed. Nearly as soon as I agreed, he turned cold. Despite the fact we'd made a date, he became cold with me. When I asked him why, he said 'I'm not going back there, I can't do it'.

This was the only time that I visibly cracked at work. Someone saw me crying and told my colleague who told him. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc.

For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him, but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.

On the day that I moved, the guy was coming out of the department I work in. I don't know why he was there but he shouted 'Good luck in the new job!' at me and walked on. I have rarely seen him since but if I do bump into him he is very nice, talkative wants to show me pictures on his phone etc. I do not understand this behaviour. He was hiding from me, but now he's being nice?

Because of everything that has happened, I have become a shell of myself. I work alone now, with very little interaction with anyone, I've isolated myself and feel like everyone hates me or doesn't want me around. He has remained in his position, which I guess is down to me as I didn't make a fuss as I would never have wanted him to be hurt. So I've carried it all. I felt I had up to a point a good relationship with my former boss but he didn't speak out for me or help me with some of the language that was used, the hiding in the toilets and the silent treatment that the guy inflicted in work. I've heard rumours of being called names like Baby Reindeer which I never was. I never stalked him, called him repeatedly, went to his home, didn't do anything harmful to him at all. He said that 'you went about it all the wrong way'. I have never asked a guy out before so that was a huge knock.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man, I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together. My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me. I really doubt myself now, all my interactions with people and fear because I'm not picture perfect, or picture thin that this happened to me due to that. To me he is very handsome, so maybe that's it? I am so scared for my future now, and my health is declining. I didn't know it was such a crime to be in love but if someone does hide from me in the bathroom, it surely means I'm repulsive? Out of everything I had shared with him and everything he knew, the hiding is probably the worst. I have thought of ending my life because if I am that bad what is the point, but I am trying to believe that maybe this isn't my fault? I just don't know anymore and thank you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who takes the time to read this and for letting me talk.

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YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 19:20

Itsalittlewetout · 11/09/2025 18:42

@YourBrickTiger I can’t understand why you’d think it’s ok to abuse someone that you aren’t interested in. Wouldn’t the correct way to behave would be to tell someone it’s not working and move on as adults. Would you abuse someone that you just aren’t interested in? It doesn’t really matter what angle you come at this from, his behaviour is unacceptable in all angles.

Not according to the recent post - that is what it is indirectly telling me and even if that's not what was meant, that is how MY MIND views it. There was no mention at all of what he'd done, just that 'aw he wasn't that into you'. Indirectly that is exactly how I took it and how it was meant. And I'm not being 'obtuse', these are my feelings and my experience and that's how I interpret that. He didn't love you, so he lashed out and that's ok, because he wasn't that into you. But he will be totally wonderful to someone he is into. Meaning - he isn't an abuser, or a narcissist, which is what I have believed for the weeks since the thread started. Like I said maybe I'm really stupid but how the hell am I supposed to feel? 'Oh look he's being so wonderful to Gym Bunny', but he nearly destroyed my life. It makes NO sense. You're either an abusive person or not, a narcissist or not. I don't know what to think now, but I feel like shit. I'm more convinced than ever now that it's down to me and my looks. Have you any idea how horrible I feel? I thought I had someone who was attracted to me, who enjoyed my body and now I just feel disgusting, someone who isn't even worthy of sex the way others are. I don't know how else to explain it. I feel like I'm viewing the world from a bubble watching all these other people who are worthy of love, but I'm just not. He has ruined my self esteem and confidence, its destroyed me, I feel lifeless. Its pointless now, I cant get past this, I guess some things you don't recover from. I cant explain it any other way I am sorry. Love you guys x

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GwendolineFairfax8 · 11/09/2025 19:30

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 15:02

Right. See? So there's nothing wrong with him? He is capable of love but just treated me like shite for years. Brilliant. Back to square one. He's 'just not that into me' - so it was ok to abuse me and completely destroy me. Does this apply to him abandoning his kids too? Is he just not into them either?

You have no idea what you've just done to me with these words. It was ok to abuse me, and ruin my life because he 'just wasn't in to me'.

Gotcha.

@YourBrickTiger

Come on now. You know the poster wasn’t meaning this 😢

Please consider, given what you have told us (and we believe you) that none of us would have that ‘man’ anywhere near us.

Also, it is not easy but you can lose weight if it would make you feel better - but remember there are many gorgeous curvy women in this world so do it for yourself.

For the record, I am a UK size 10. It did not stop me from being betrayed by my own family. Unlike you, I blamed them because when I looked at it logically child abuse/benefit fraud/blackmail etc - my only fault was trying to live with it for so long for the sake of ‘family’.

Please spend your inheritance on yourself. You have an opportunity to travel and enjoy life, rather than leave the money that your parents worked hard for, to your abusive brother

Bittenonce · 11/09/2025 19:33

He was nice to you for a while, same as he was to others for a while. Then he treats everyone like shit, including his kids.
So why do you have to think it’s because of how you are, how you act or look? The way he was with you is exactly the same as everyone else he’s ever met. EVERYONE.
He’s not a catch - the same way syphilis isn’t a catch! You’ve said it yourself, if you remember - how if your Dad was here, he’d have punched this guy out, because your Dad was a decent person. And yes this guy is an abusive narcissist. Every now and then you accept this truth and believe it, then you switch it round and the only way you can think of why he was like that with you, must be because of you. Sometimes I think if you saw him strangling your cats, within 24 hours you’d be finding a way to make it your fault he did it. Sometimes you make me want to cry

TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 19:36

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 19:20

Not according to the recent post - that is what it is indirectly telling me and even if that's not what was meant, that is how MY MIND views it. There was no mention at all of what he'd done, just that 'aw he wasn't that into you'. Indirectly that is exactly how I took it and how it was meant. And I'm not being 'obtuse', these are my feelings and my experience and that's how I interpret that. He didn't love you, so he lashed out and that's ok, because he wasn't that into you. But he will be totally wonderful to someone he is into. Meaning - he isn't an abuser, or a narcissist, which is what I have believed for the weeks since the thread started. Like I said maybe I'm really stupid but how the hell am I supposed to feel? 'Oh look he's being so wonderful to Gym Bunny', but he nearly destroyed my life. It makes NO sense. You're either an abusive person or not, a narcissist or not. I don't know what to think now, but I feel like shit. I'm more convinced than ever now that it's down to me and my looks. Have you any idea how horrible I feel? I thought I had someone who was attracted to me, who enjoyed my body and now I just feel disgusting, someone who isn't even worthy of sex the way others are. I don't know how else to explain it. I feel like I'm viewing the world from a bubble watching all these other people who are worthy of love, but I'm just not. He has ruined my self esteem and confidence, its destroyed me, I feel lifeless. Its pointless now, I cant get past this, I guess some things you don't recover from. I cant explain it any other way I am sorry. Love you guys x

@YourBrickTiger, please go back and read the post by @Lmnop22 again. Nowhere did she say it's ok that he abused you. I knew when I read what she'd written that you'd fixate on that and dismiss the rest of the post which was excellent

Nobody knows if he was "not that into" you, his wives, other women who've had the misfortune to come across him. It doesn't matter how much "into" anyone he's been. He's treated all of them appallingly, even indirectly. Look at what he said to you about another woman and what she was like during sex.

I've asked you several questions today you've not seen. You don't have to share the answers but share them with yourself.

Spend some time stroking your cats. They're real. He's just a worthless melt.

Lmnop22 · 11/09/2025 19:38

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 15:02

Right. See? So there's nothing wrong with him? He is capable of love but just treated me like shite for years. Brilliant. Back to square one. He's 'just not that into me' - so it was ok to abuse me and completely destroy me. Does this apply to him abandoning his kids too? Is he just not into them either?

You have no idea what you've just done to me with these words. It was ok to abuse me, and ruin my life because he 'just wasn't in to me'.

Gotcha.

I’m not saying his behaviour is acceptable at all, it totally abhorrent!

I am just trying to express that you are not the problem, his desire/need to take advantage of people who love him (you) is the problem. I want you to understand that, in my opinion, you are a lovely, kind and deserving person but he took advantage of how you felt about him despite not feeling the same and he manipulated you and used your feelings to get what he wanted out of the situation.

He may well have done this to other women in the past and it’s evidence of him being a totally selfish and self serving arsehole. But it is NOT evidence that you are not enough - you just weren’t someone he had genuine feelings for but someone he lied to and led on.

AnneKipankitoo · 11/09/2025 19:43

To be honest, I could not get to the end of your OP.
You sound lovely.
He…. So not worth it.

Bin. Block. Do not engage on a social level, work only.

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 19:46

Lmnop22 · 11/09/2025 19:38

I’m not saying his behaviour is acceptable at all, it totally abhorrent!

I am just trying to express that you are not the problem, his desire/need to take advantage of people who love him (you) is the problem. I want you to understand that, in my opinion, you are a lovely, kind and deserving person but he took advantage of how you felt about him despite not feeling the same and he manipulated you and used your feelings to get what he wanted out of the situation.

He may well have done this to other women in the past and it’s evidence of him being a totally selfish and self serving arsehole. But it is NOT evidence that you are not enough - you just weren’t someone he had genuine feelings for but someone he lied to and led on.

Thank you for that. To be clear though, to me the original post was not excellently written - it was totally and bloody confusing for me and regardless, I need to speak out for myself here for once. I found it absolutely confusing and it really really upset me. OK so you didn't mean it was ok to abuse me I get that - but you did say 'he is capable of love' when on this entire thread I've been told he isn't and to add on to the top of that 'he just wasn't that in to you' for someone like ME, not saying it's normal or right, but for someone like ME, you might as well have brought a bull into my house and waved a red flag because for reasons unknown to even me - THAT is how I interpret things like that. I've been trying my best to learn all about abusers and narcissists - and I've learned they aren't capable of love so to hear that today was EXTREMELY confusing for me. I've learned they CAN'T have geunine feelings for anyone!!!! So to hear he may be capable of love I have NO IDEA how to understand that. Please just accept that.

@TheAverageJoanne I'm sorry if I've missed your questions I can go back on them. I am tring to juggle so much at the minute. I wasn't being deliberately ignornant.

@Bittenonce I can't even think of my babies being hurt.

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Lmnop22 · 11/09/2025 19:53

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 19:46

Thank you for that. To be clear though, to me the original post was not excellently written - it was totally and bloody confusing for me and regardless, I need to speak out for myself here for once. I found it absolutely confusing and it really really upset me. OK so you didn't mean it was ok to abuse me I get that - but you did say 'he is capable of love' when on this entire thread I've been told he isn't and to add on to the top of that 'he just wasn't that in to you' for someone like ME, not saying it's normal or right, but for someone like ME, you might as well have brought a bull into my house and waved a red flag because for reasons unknown to even me - THAT is how I interpret things like that. I've been trying my best to learn all about abusers and narcissists - and I've learned they aren't capable of love so to hear that today was EXTREMELY confusing for me. I've learned they CAN'T have geunine feelings for anyone!!!! So to hear he may be capable of love I have NO IDEA how to understand that. Please just accept that.

@TheAverageJoanne I'm sorry if I've missed your questions I can go back on them. I am tring to juggle so much at the minute. I wasn't being deliberately ignornant.

@Bittenonce I can't even think of my babies being hurt.

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I am genuinely sorry I have upset you. It was a thoughtless turn of phrase and I didn’t think it through and I’m sorry.

I was trying to help you see that you (quite rightly) believed what he told you because you are an honest and trustworthy person and don’t lie. But he’s a liar and every time he does anything it is because it serves him and he does not give a single shit how it makes you feel or how it affects your mental health or whether it’s the truth or not.

Please disregard what I said before and don’t fixate on a silly phrase I shouldn’t have used. You do not deserve to be treated like this and I am heartbroken that he has this power over you where you can’t see your worth because he’s just extinguished your self esteem without a shred of remorse.

CrownCoats · 11/09/2025 20:13

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 19:46

Thank you for that. To be clear though, to me the original post was not excellently written - it was totally and bloody confusing for me and regardless, I need to speak out for myself here for once. I found it absolutely confusing and it really really upset me. OK so you didn't mean it was ok to abuse me I get that - but you did say 'he is capable of love' when on this entire thread I've been told he isn't and to add on to the top of that 'he just wasn't that in to you' for someone like ME, not saying it's normal or right, but for someone like ME, you might as well have brought a bull into my house and waved a red flag because for reasons unknown to even me - THAT is how I interpret things like that. I've been trying my best to learn all about abusers and narcissists - and I've learned they aren't capable of love so to hear that today was EXTREMELY confusing for me. I've learned they CAN'T have geunine feelings for anyone!!!! So to hear he may be capable of love I have NO IDEA how to understand that. Please just accept that.

@TheAverageJoanne I'm sorry if I've missed your questions I can go back on them. I am tring to juggle so much at the minute. I wasn't being deliberately ignornant.

@Bittenonce I can't even think of my babies being hurt.

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You’re trying to be too black or white about this. You have a desperate need to make this whole situation make sense and be logical. I assume this is because you have ASD. You must stop obsessing over this and seek some urgent professional help. You are in a very dark place, OP.

Almost all posters have told you that this man is a narcissist and not worthy of you. You have done absolutely nothing wrong. You were very unlucky.

Please log out of mumsnet and get some help.

IncessantNameChanger · 11/09/2025 20:16

Op is this really helping you right now?

No one on here can diagnose a psychopath, sociopath or a narc. Even if was we qualified too over the Internet. We can't guarantee you that is medically incapable of love.

Any advice on here has to be taken with a pinch of salt as we have never met anyone so it's mostly just good intentions based on what you say and our own life experiences.

Do you need a firm diagnosed of him being incapable medically to love anyone to accept that he was a mean shit?

Also bigger woman are most definitely desirable to men. One of my friends is much bigger than you and has a never ending supply of men.

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 20:33

Lmnop22 · 11/09/2025 19:53

I am genuinely sorry I have upset you. It was a thoughtless turn of phrase and I didn’t think it through and I’m sorry.

I was trying to help you see that you (quite rightly) believed what he told you because you are an honest and trustworthy person and don’t lie. But he’s a liar and every time he does anything it is because it serves him and he does not give a single shit how it makes you feel or how it affects your mental health or whether it’s the truth or not.

Please disregard what I said before and don’t fixate on a silly phrase I shouldn’t have used. You do not deserve to be treated like this and I am heartbroken that he has this power over you where you can’t see your worth because he’s just extinguished your self esteem without a shred of remorse.

Thank you so much I appreciate that and the clarification.

@CrownCoats yes for me it's black or it's white. And I'm in a very very dark place. As @Lmnop22 says there is no remorse - so I'm not worth that.

@IncessantNameChanger -- yes I feel like I need a definite answer because I feel he was only a mean shit to ME.
@CrownCoats - do i need to leave now?

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CampCrow · 11/09/2025 20:35

OP, do you think this thread has helped you at all? I’m in not qualified in any relevent way but you still seem as confused, upset and as overwhelmed as you did when you started the thread. The people on this this thread are trying to help but it’s difficult to give meaningful constructive advise on a chat forum when dealing complex situations such as yours.

You need to talk to your GP and ask for help in trying to sort out your disordered way of thinking.

Your priority should be to get more in depth professional help AND to leave your job.

Itsalittlewetout · 11/09/2025 20:35

You need to have a good hard look at how you define love. It’s up to you what you define it to be, you get to decide how you like to be loved and what you base this on. It’s not up to us on here to tell you what this man thinks, only he know what he thinks. His definition of love might be for my partner to cater to all my needs, to not have feelings, to keep quiet, let me control her, occasionally maybe give her smack, let me take my shit mood out and never complain etc etc. Do you want to be loved by a man who has these parameters for love? You are looking at the relationship from your viewpoint, you have no idea how he views a relationship to be.

TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 20:47

"@CrownCoats yes for me it's black or it's white. And I'm in a very very dark place. As @Lmnop22 says there is no remorse - so I'm not worth that."

He won't show remorse about anything or anyone. That's on him, not the people he's been rotten to. I'm astonished he's kept his job.

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 21:03

Itsalittlewetout · 11/09/2025 20:35

You need to have a good hard look at how you define love. It’s up to you what you define it to be, you get to decide how you like to be loved and what you base this on. It’s not up to us on here to tell you what this man thinks, only he know what he thinks. His definition of love might be for my partner to cater to all my needs, to not have feelings, to keep quiet, let me control her, occasionally maybe give her smack, let me take my shit mood out and never complain etc etc. Do you want to be loved by a man who has these parameters for love? You are looking at the relationship from your viewpoint, you have no idea how he views a relationship to be.

I thought everyone just wanted love. Pure love which is what I felt for him. I had been told all he wanted was someone to sit and watch Netflix with - and that he thought he was unloveable.

All I wanted was to have him to cuddle with, travel with, talk to, watch Netflix with, protect each other. Enjoy nice dates. Have a date and someone to go to couple things with, like weddings. All my dreams have been shattered now because I trusted him. Anyway. I’m sure you’ve all got tired listening to me now. x

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YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 21:04

TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 20:47

"@CrownCoats yes for me it's black or it's white. And I'm in a very very dark place. As @Lmnop22 says there is no remorse - so I'm not worth that."

He won't show remorse about anything or anyone. That's on him, not the people he's been rotten to. I'm astonished he's kept his job.

Edited

Again all his behaviour was normalised.

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TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 21:16

He clearly didn't want someone just to watch Netflix with. That's a line to reel someone - you - in. Then they ramp up the horrible behaviour.

He just lied, and before you ask "is it just me?" No it's not. People like that use people.

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 21:41

TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 21:16

He clearly didn't want someone just to watch Netflix with. That's a line to reel someone - you - in. Then they ramp up the horrible behaviour.

He just lied, and before you ask "is it just me?" No it's not. People like that use people.

Probably the same as spending 5 hours on the phone with someone. Maybe it’s those sort of things. Making me believe he wanted to be with me by doing things like that. Telling me he’d be there for me while I went to places to deal with my Mum’s affairs after her passing and thinking I would have someone to hold my hand and protect me. I think it’s all these things that meant so much to me that have me believing I must have done something really awful to make him run.

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toottoot3 · 11/09/2025 22:12

Whoa!!you got yourself all caught up trying to make this guy love you without ensuring he's treating you well..... It's ok, you went a bit crazy over him , but no kids, no joint debts or pets together.
Reflect on your behaviour, not his cause THATS What's problematic. Never ever get into this situation again. Do some work on your self esteem but don't let him ruin your life, move on. Allow people into your life who encourage and support you, who make you comfortable and who you can open up to, know what that feels like before looking for love

ForgetMeNotRose · 11/09/2025 22:23

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 21:41

Probably the same as spending 5 hours on the phone with someone. Maybe it’s those sort of things. Making me believe he wanted to be with me by doing things like that. Telling me he’d be there for me while I went to places to deal with my Mum’s affairs after her passing and thinking I would have someone to hold my hand and protect me. I think it’s all these things that meant so much to me that have me believing I must have done something really awful to make him run.

I think this says a lot OP. What kind of person says those kinds of things to someone then treats them like shit? What kind of person would encourage you to do things that make you feel vulnerable (like with your parents room) and then abandon you? A nasty, selfish, thoughtless, small person.

AnneKipankitoo · 11/09/2025 22:43

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 21:41

Probably the same as spending 5 hours on the phone with someone. Maybe it’s those sort of things. Making me believe he wanted to be with me by doing things like that. Telling me he’d be there for me while I went to places to deal with my Mum’s affairs after her passing and thinking I would have someone to hold my hand and protect me. I think it’s all these things that meant so much to me that have me believing I must have done something really awful to make him run.

It is not you.
You have been you. It is not wrong being you.

MNpenisadvisor · 11/09/2025 22:53

You cannot control his behaviour, thoughts or feelings. You can control your reactions and stop obsessing over him. Start by getting a different job!

TheAverageJoanne · 12/09/2025 07:15

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 21:41

Probably the same as spending 5 hours on the phone with someone. Maybe it’s those sort of things. Making me believe he wanted to be with me by doing things like that. Telling me he’d be there for me while I went to places to deal with my Mum’s affairs after her passing and thinking I would have someone to hold my hand and protect me. I think it’s all these things that meant so much to me that have me believing I must have done something really awful to make him run.

Nasty man.

YourBrickTiger · 12/09/2025 09:31

ForgetMeNotRose · 11/09/2025 22:23

I think this says a lot OP. What kind of person says those kinds of things to someone then treats them like shit? What kind of person would encourage you to do things that make you feel vulnerable (like with your parents room) and then abandon you? A nasty, selfish, thoughtless, small person.

Would it be someone who wakes up and thinks why am I with this fat cow? No?

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BetterOffNow · 12/09/2025 09:39

I'll tell you my story... I was with my ex for 23 years, married for 16 of them. My life was built around him and I thought he was perfect. BUT he slowly chipped away at my self confidence over the years, criticising everything I did and making me feel stupid and useless. Then he had an affair with a much younger woman and I kicked him out.
It's only with hindsight that I can see the problem wasn't me, it was him. He put so many dark thoughts into my head that I truly believed I was a worthless person and I wouldn't be able to form a relationship again.
The man I'm with now is the complete opposite - he lifts me up and encourages me to believe in myself and I feel like a new woman!
I've no idea what my ex is doing these days as I've cut him from my life completely, which is what you need to do when you're able to get away from this job. It doesn't matter what he does in the future, only what you do. He doesn't deserve your headspace.

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