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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 14:23

Hi - I am just hoping for a little help here...haven't been through a situation like I'm currently experiencing and it's very painful to the point of making me sick.

If I can kindly ask that no one advises against workplace romances, as I work with several couples, some of whom are married and even one who is divorced. I know a lot of people in my place of work who met here and are now married and still working together. So I thought it was ok for me too.

I don't have a support system. My parents have both passed away and friends that I do have keep everything at a surface level, which has made me unable to discuss this, therefore I apologise in advance for the length. I can't face anymore harsh criticism, so if you don't have time to read this as I understand it is very long, or you are critical of me, please be kind. I'm blaming myself enough.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man. A few years after we started working together, he told me that his second marriage was on the rocks and that he felt unlovable. I told him that I thought he was very lovable and made a joke that if I'd marry him if they were to split. Again, didn't pay it too much mind and thought nothing would ever happen, went about my life. Another few years passed without incident.

As Covid was coming to an end, and with his marriage over, we had been getting on very well at work and one night out of the blue, he rang me and we talked for 5 hours about everything and anything. I had been single for a long time after an abusive relationship with a man from outside the UK who just disappeared on me one night after living together for almost a year. At this point, I hadn't had a relationship in 11 years and wasn't looking but I was really really drawn to this guy at work. We had a lovely conversation but again, nothing much to report afterward.

A couple of months later, I plucked up the courage to ask him if he'd like to have another phonecall (facetime). We were essential workers and still in the cloud of the pandemic so thought this was the best approach. I wasn't prepared for his response. At this point he was 49 years old, he stood up, started to rub his chest, said 'oh God no no...oh no...this is making me really uncomfortable...' and left the room. I had rehearsed this in my head all day waiting for the right moment and this happened. I was completely mortified, hurt and eventually went home and beat myself up for not being cool enough or maybe even good enough for him. When I woke up the next morning he had called me three times and sent me messages to see if I was ok. I texted back how shocked I was and how I had obviously misread the signals, but told him he was someone I had grown to like very much and that it wasn't my intention to upset or scare him. When I got back to work a few days later, he'd stopped speaking to me.

This went on for a couple of weeks so I just kept my head down and got on with it. Another two weeks passed and all of a sudden, he was trying to make me laugh again, which he always could. I was relieved he seemed ok, but just left him to it. We started to get on better, and for his 50th I bought him a silly gift, no one else in his life seemed to make an effort, so I wanted to do something for him. On one of our dates he told me that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy. (It was a bottle opener made from wood).

We would be here all year if I told you the full story but although he and his wife didn't divorce, they separated, and he said he wanted nothing to do with women for a year. This to me was fine and healthy but he made a huge announcement to me about it. Feeling it safe, I said 'well if after that year is up, would you like to have a coffee with me?' and he said 'yes...I will have a think about that'.

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics. In work that day he kissed me for the first time.

We had arranged for him to come to my home, as I knew him so well this wasn't an issue and we were going to have a few drinks. I made a real effort, scrubbed the house until it was shining, and made myself look really nice, I thought. He arrived at the time we arranged. We sat down for our first drink and he immediately started to become nervous again. He admitted to being nervous and I just soothed him, telling him to relax, it was just me etc...but he said 'no no I have to leave'. He was only with me despite the massive build up for 5 minutes. I was completely and totally distraught and thought it must be something to do with my looks, or weight etc. I'm not stick thin and quite curvy but he had been paying me so many compliments I thought he was attracted.

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me infront of my colleagues.

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.

Then he came round again - this time my idea I admit it as I couldn't let him go. We became more involved and he came to my home, asked to see my family albums, made me promises about holidays, the future, said I didn't have to be concerned about money anymore (I'm very independent so it isn't a money issue anyway but was nice to have support). We were close, talking on the phone, being intimate, he even said 'imagine how everyone in work will feel when they find out we've been together for like 8 months' or something..! He told me he wanted me to meet his family, and let me facetime with his sister. It was clear she knew who I was and paid me lots of compliments, telling me she only wanted him to be happy. I said I would never hurt him and would always try to make him happy. He told his sister that I would do anything for him and he told me he felt I was his soulmate. He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.

On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed. We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. Despite his text, a month later he approached me again, asking for another chance and when I asked him why he had told me he didn't want me, his explanation was that he had just freaked out because he knew I had such deep feelings. Of course I agreed. Nearly as soon as I agreed, he turned cold. Despite the fact we'd made a date, he became cold with me. When I asked him why, he said 'I'm not going back there, I can't do it'.

This was the only time that I visibly cracked at work. Someone saw me crying and told my colleague who told him. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc.

For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him, but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.

On the day that I moved, the guy was coming out of the department I work in. I don't know why he was there but he shouted 'Good luck in the new job!' at me and walked on. I have rarely seen him since but if I do bump into him he is very nice, talkative wants to show me pictures on his phone etc. I do not understand this behaviour. He was hiding from me, but now he's being nice?

Because of everything that has happened, I have become a shell of myself. I work alone now, with very little interaction with anyone, I've isolated myself and feel like everyone hates me or doesn't want me around. He has remained in his position, which I guess is down to me as I didn't make a fuss as I would never have wanted him to be hurt. So I've carried it all. I felt I had up to a point a good relationship with my former boss but he didn't speak out for me or help me with some of the language that was used, the hiding in the toilets and the silent treatment that the guy inflicted in work. I've heard rumours of being called names like Baby Reindeer which I never was. I never stalked him, called him repeatedly, went to his home, didn't do anything harmful to him at all. He said that 'you went about it all the wrong way'. I have never asked a guy out before so that was a huge knock.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man, I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together. My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me. I really doubt myself now, all my interactions with people and fear because I'm not picture perfect, or picture thin that this happened to me due to that. To me he is very handsome, so maybe that's it? I am so scared for my future now, and my health is declining. I didn't know it was such a crime to be in love but if someone does hide from me in the bathroom, it surely means I'm repulsive? Out of everything I had shared with him and everything he knew, the hiding is probably the worst. I have thought of ending my life because if I am that bad what is the point, but I am trying to believe that maybe this isn't my fault? I just don't know anymore and thank you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who takes the time to read this and for letting me talk.

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Itsalittlewetout · 11/09/2025 10:56

It’s actions OP. Any idiot can say “I love you”. Love is the feeling you get from someone, it’s easy, it’s safe, it’s not confusing, it’s not based on terms, there’s no eggshells or holding back, it’s complete freedom.

TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 10:59

Itsalittlewetout · 11/09/2025 10:25

You aren’t thinking about this in the right way. You didn’t love him in a super special way, you simply loved him. He will find others who love him with no problem as he has in the past. The problem is he can’t love them in return, he uses them. We aren’t special, we can’t think we are enough, we are the perfect medicine, we would have been enough if only. They can’t love.

She loved what she thought he was. If the first encounter with him had been finding him wanking at work or an overheard misogynistic conversation she wouldn't have given him the time of day.

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 11:03

Itsalittlewetout · 11/09/2025 10:53

He isn’t capable of love, ever. He isn’t a complete human.

Can you please elaborate for me on why you think he isn't a complete human? Really sorry.

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Bittenonce · 11/09/2025 11:15

A complete human can give as well as take. Can put others’ needs before their own. Can feel remorse, regret. Can do things without them being purely for their own self gratification. Can care what others think. Can moderate their own behaviour.
Do I really need to go on?
You can do these things, right? So can I.
He can’t.

TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 11:21

This is from an American website hence spelling. Sound familiar op?

The 20 traits of a psychopath are based on Dr. Robert Hare's Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R), a clinical tool used by trained professionals. These traits are organized into four factors that describe an individual's interpersonal, affective, and behavioral tendencies.

Interpersonal traits
These describe a psychopath's way of interacting with others.
Glibness and superficial charm: A tendency to be smooth, engaging, and slick, but lacking in depth or sincerity.
Grandiose sense of self-worth: An arrogant and inflated view of one's own importance and abilities.
Pathological lying: Deceit and dishonesty used to manipulate and con others. The lies are often disproportionate to any potential gain.
Conning and manipulative behavior: The use of deceit and exploitation to cheat or defraud others for personal gain.

Affective (emotional) traits
These relate to a psychopath's emotional responses and capacities.

  1. Lack of remorse or guilt: An indifference to or lack of concern for the suffering and pain they cause others.
  2. Shallow affect: A limited range or depth of emotions, characterized by coldness and a lack of genuine feeling.
  3. Callousness and lack of empathy: An inability to understand or care about the feelings of others. They are cold, contemptuous, and tactless.
  4. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions: A tendency to deny or shift blame for their wrongdoing to others.

Lifestyle traits
These describe a psychopath's typical behaviors and choices.

  1. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom: Seeking excessive stimulation to avoid boredom, often through risky behavior.
10. Parasitic lifestyle: Relying on others for financial and material support through exploitation. 11. Poor behavioral controls: Exhibiting irritability and aggression with little control over their temper. 12. Lack of realistic, long-term goals: Struggling to form and follow realistic plans. 13. Impulsivity: Acting without considering consequences or planning. 14. Irresponsibility: Failing to meet obligations and commitments consistently. Antisocial traits These involve violating societal norms and rules. 15. Early behavior problems: A history of behavioral issues before age 13. 16. Juvenile delinquency: Engaging in criminal or antisocial behavior between 13 and 18. 17. Revocation of conditional release: Violating probation or parole terms. 18. Criminal versatility: Committing a variety of criminal offenses. 19. Promiscuous sexual behavior: Having numerous brief and superficial sexual relationships. 20. Many short-term marital relationships: Lacking commitment to long-term relationships.
CrownCoats · 11/09/2025 11:23

YourBrickTiger · 10/09/2025 16:03

Thank you guys but what is the point? It's like I've said many times if I am this unworthy to the person I loved so much, what is the point? And now for my brother to be doing it to me as well?? I'm not sure there is a point in trying as it will continue to happen to me. Whatever 'defect' it is I have is obviously now really apparent. I feel like the lowest of the low no matter what I do and sure we can't even get seen by doctors here. Can't get through to the surgeries and the waiting lists are too long.

I'd love to have some money out of the house to travel but don't even know how to do that. I couldn't go to another job at the minute I'm not even strong enough to get through my day here half the time. I just feel like screaming.

If I lost the weight it might change and he may be different I don't know. There may well be more life out there for me but there's a deep sadness which I don't believe will EVER go away now. I don't have the money for fancy clothes or to tame my mane of hair at the minute, I think I'm just in survival mode every day.

He had found pictures of me when we first started going out which showed me thinner and he said I was stunning. Asked me did I put weight on when my Mum died. So I'm completely believing that this is why this didn't work. His second wife is small, but he said she was too thin.

Maybe that's why he said that yesterday maybe all I deserve is a punch in the face. I just don't understand how someone could give up someone who loves them so much for what? The unknown?

Sorry I don't want to lose anyone here, your friendships mean a lot to me.

OP, you are letting one unhinged man question your entire existence! You were unlucky to ever get involved with him, he treated you appallingly (it doesn’t matter why - he’s just not a very nice human) and you have done nothing wrong. You were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You need to stop letting this define you and you need to stop trying to work out why this happened and what you could have done differently. It’s irrelevant.

Please, please, please get some professional therapy to help you out this behind you and move on with your life.

Itsalittlewetout · 11/09/2025 11:40

You do need to seek more help OP. I can feel how traumatised you are by this. If you let this filter in that he was abusive it makes all your memories terrifying. That’s too much fear for you to deal with right now, it’s too traumatic. I know what you are doing because I’ve done it myself. If you can convince yourself you had some control over this, it was because of weight etc then it doesn’t feel so out of control. Allowing yourself to feel just how at that mercy of this man you were is terrifying. Knowing you’ve been abused is really scary. You are scared of this, I can see. You are seeking safety in control but the reality is we had none.

TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 13:39

16 Signs of Narcissistic Abuse & Victim Syndrome https://share.google/UNLolNzUsZg18tYB9

This is worth a read.

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 13:50

Thanks everyone.

@TheAverageJoanne - these books and 'guides' etc, does that mean that people with these traits that it's....like set in stone? It's a personality type? I keep finding excuses to deviate from it...for some reason, but he matches so many of them so I'm not sure why I'm doubting that this is what he is?

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Lmnop22 · 11/09/2025 14:05

I don’t think any of us can say why and it is definitely not a reflection of you not being lovable but he just didn’t love you.

He knew you loved him and you were his back up plan. When he was single/lonely/felt like it he would use you for your love. For the ego boost it gave him to be adored, to be able to get you back, to get sex from you etc. He then tried to justify his hot and cold behaviour by saying he wasn’t ready or didn’t know how he felt or was worried about committing or whatever. None of that was true, it was a way to never actually have to commit to you but still get the attention and sex and compliments when he wanted them.

He used you. I don’t think he isn’t capable of love or being different with other people, but he wasn’t that into you and led you on and lied to you so he could benefit from how you felt about him.

But you are 100% lovable, just not to him. The same way you don’t love your male friends but they’re still enough and lovable as people, just not to you.

TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 14:40

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 13:50

Thanks everyone.

@TheAverageJoanne - these books and 'guides' etc, does that mean that people with these traits that it's....like set in stone? It's a personality type? I keep finding excuses to deviate from it...for some reason, but he matches so many of them so I'm not sure why I'm doubting that this is what he is?

I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist but I'd trust them.

I'm worried you're looking for a loophole with him @YourBrickTiger to absolve him and have a shred of hope that he'll change. Nope, he's still a nasty narcissistic piece of work.

If he'd asked you out after you'd seen him playing with himself in the office and using abusive misogynistic words what would your answer have been? If the timelines were different?

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 15:02

Lmnop22 · 11/09/2025 14:05

I don’t think any of us can say why and it is definitely not a reflection of you not being lovable but he just didn’t love you.

He knew you loved him and you were his back up plan. When he was single/lonely/felt like it he would use you for your love. For the ego boost it gave him to be adored, to be able to get you back, to get sex from you etc. He then tried to justify his hot and cold behaviour by saying he wasn’t ready or didn’t know how he felt or was worried about committing or whatever. None of that was true, it was a way to never actually have to commit to you but still get the attention and sex and compliments when he wanted them.

He used you. I don’t think he isn’t capable of love or being different with other people, but he wasn’t that into you and led you on and lied to you so he could benefit from how you felt about him.

But you are 100% lovable, just not to him. The same way you don’t love your male friends but they’re still enough and lovable as people, just not to you.

Right. See? So there's nothing wrong with him? He is capable of love but just treated me like shite for years. Brilliant. Back to square one. He's 'just not that into me' - so it was ok to abuse me and completely destroy me. Does this apply to him abandoning his kids too? Is he just not into them either?

You have no idea what you've just done to me with these words. It was ok to abuse me, and ruin my life because he 'just wasn't in to me'.

Gotcha.

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YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 15:07

TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 14:40

I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist but I'd trust them.

I'm worried you're looking for a loophole with him @YourBrickTiger to absolve him and have a shred of hope that he'll change. Nope, he's still a nasty narcissistic piece of work.

If he'd asked you out after you'd seen him playing with himself in the office and using abusive misogynistic words what would your answer have been? If the timelines were different?

Well according to the latest poster he just wasn't that into me so I'm assuming he wouldn't do it to anyone else and will just turn into prince charming because why would he want my ugly big old face anyway!?

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TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 15:15

If he'd asked you out after you'd seen him playing with himself in the office and using abusive misogynistic words what would your answer have been? If the timelines were different? @YourBrickTiger

TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 15:17

@Lmnop22 He's treated two wives as well as his own children the same way as the OP. This says everything about him.

AboogaBooga · 11/09/2025 15:33

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 15:02

Right. See? So there's nothing wrong with him? He is capable of love but just treated me like shite for years. Brilliant. Back to square one. He's 'just not that into me' - so it was ok to abuse me and completely destroy me. Does this apply to him abandoning his kids too? Is he just not into them either?

You have no idea what you've just done to me with these words. It was ok to abuse me, and ruin my life because he 'just wasn't in to me'.

Gotcha.

That is NOT what that poster said and you know it. You are being deliberately obtuse.

and about him abandoning his kids. Yep, that makes him a shitty father and no, he probably wasn’t ever that into them. He probably never really wanted kids to begin with like lots of men out there. There are shitty horrible parents walking around us every day. Does that mean the children that have been abused must be horrible, unlovable and they should kill themselves?

what about all the women on MN who have been lied to, cheated on, and abused, should they also end their lives? Are you saying they all deserved it? Are you saying skinny beautiful women don’t get abused or cheated on? Are you that one dimensional?

maybe step out of your self inflicted psychosis and think critically for a second. If you wouldn’t tell an abused woman that she deserved it, then why are you so hell bent on believing that you deserved the abuse?

IncessantNameChanger · 11/09/2025 16:27

OP I'm not sure what would help you right now?

To hear that nothing he said to you was a lie? That no one lies to get what they want or to hear he is a amazing catch and you blew it?

You don't need to belive us but most women if not all of the women on this thread 1) would not consider him a catch. Sure he might be fit hot and sexy looking but so are some murderers.

Brad Pitt and Tom Crise at age 21 would turn my stomach if I knew he'd called me a fat slag. And I get that everyone has their line in the sand on standards of what is desirable in a partner.

Have you never had anyone lie to you to get something they want before? Why would he be above what others are capable of? I have said before on your thread I am very highly likely autistic. I don't get why people say things they don't mean. But I understand they do. I get that people lie or suck up to me to use me. I don't see it at the time so I get used more than some people possibly do at times. But it's not a bad reflection on me. It's a bad reflection on the users. I have learnt not to try harder but instead to withdraw quicker.

I do feel that your in place where if you could just make yourself fit his narrative you'd want him back and that is still where your head is at.

but if a Tiger bites your hand off you don't offer the other hand to see if you didn't pet it softly enough.

People are saying things to try to help you see he is Tiger and even if you got back together he would still be very capable of biting your other hand off. That's what he is showing you. Unless the current him is the actor? Do you think he is?acting at being nasty and there's a reall him for you to save?

No need to answer any of that. It something only you need to be honest with yourself about.

I'd love to say that he sounds wonderful give it time, try harder and you will be together. In bliss. But be honest. Do you see yourself happy with someone who treats you so badly? Do you think he treated you badly? Or is the pain.more that your no longer together?

I really don't wish you any ill at all. The poster you quoted really at the crux of it was just saying he is bad news. And that children and woman who suffer at hands of shitty men do don't in any way eserve it which I fully agree with. Not everyone agrees on that clearly but most do. Also not every woman would recoil at a shitty man. But most would if given the choice. But everyone is different.

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 16:31

AboogaBooga · 11/09/2025 15:33

That is NOT what that poster said and you know it. You are being deliberately obtuse.

and about him abandoning his kids. Yep, that makes him a shitty father and no, he probably wasn’t ever that into them. He probably never really wanted kids to begin with like lots of men out there. There are shitty horrible parents walking around us every day. Does that mean the children that have been abused must be horrible, unlovable and they should kill themselves?

what about all the women on MN who have been lied to, cheated on, and abused, should they also end their lives? Are you saying they all deserved it? Are you saying skinny beautiful women don’t get abused or cheated on? Are you that one dimensional?

maybe step out of your self inflicted psychosis and think critically for a second. If you wouldn’t tell an abused woman that she deserved it, then why are you so hell bent on believing that you deserved the abuse?

That is EXACTLY what she said. 'He's just not that into you and he is capable of love' I am NOT being obtuse and my 'psychosis' is not self inflicted. It is right there in front of you, My mind wants me to KILL Myself is that self inflicted too???

"He is capable of love he didn't love you. He just wasn't that into you". And in MY MIND whether you agree or not it means I (ME THIS IS ABOUT ME not anyone else!) I deserved to be abused because he's not that into me!

Do not twist it around on me when I came here for help! I do NOT understand that, maybe I'm thick maybe I'm stupid but I did NOT say other women deserve abuse. The poster who said he's not that into me practically just told me that he wouldn't do it to other women because he's capable of love!!! Can't you see how confusing that is for me? I'm sorry if I'm not as clued in or smart as you are!

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TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 17:10

@YourBrickTiger That PP actually said " I don’t think he isn’t capable of love or being different with other people, but he wasn’t that into you and led you on and lied to you so he could benefit from how you felt about him."

It's a conjecture. She doesn't know for definite. She didn't state it as a fact. Please stop taking offence at what people say, they're not having a go at you.

Personally I doubt he's any integrity to be different with anyone.

YourBrickTiger · 11/09/2025 18:32

TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 17:10

@YourBrickTiger That PP actually said " I don’t think he isn’t capable of love or being different with other people, but he wasn’t that into you and led you on and lied to you so he could benefit from how you felt about him."

It's a conjecture. She doesn't know for definite. She didn't state it as a fact. Please stop taking offence at what people say, they're not having a go at you.

Personally I doubt he's any integrity to be different with anyone.

It is literally one of the most confusing and dangerous things you could say to me. I literally do not understand how someone can be 'capable of love' and yet be abusive to me. It's like he's selective and chose to do it to me - it's ok for me to have my life destroyed because he wasn't that in to me but it's ok because he is capable of love.

I did not say it was ok for any woman to be abused - but for me to have been abused and to be told it's a 'self inflicted psychosis' how is that ok to say that to me? I was SO happy. I loved him so much and he has left me not wanting to live.

I'm really grateful to all of you who have been kind and patient with me. I must be just really stupid for it not to be sinking in. I am so so confused by statements like this as you may as well tell me that what I went through is ok - he won't do it to someone else and he's a lovely guy. I caused the abuse by being too loving. That is what I hear.

I should have known really that I'm nowhere near interesting or special enough to be with someone like him. There is nothing striking about me. He's ex army and really really attractive at least I think so. What would he want to be with me for? It is all making sense now. I really thought we had something special and that the love I had for him meant we would be able to work at things and build a relationship. I realise now it doesn't happen with overweight women like me who aren't that beautiful. I've been told by others I'm 'bog standard'. He is not going to want a bog standard girlfriend. I realise now that love isn't meant for me, and I have gotten this all completely wrong but I have told the truth about what has happened to me. I simply didn't measure up to his standard of woman and that's why this happened to me.

I feel I have melted your heads enough. If it is all just as simple as him not being into me, I wish I had known that years ago. I'm completely done. I can't compete with beautiful women, I should have known better. He is way out of my league I just wish I had known sooner. I was too loving and annoying, thats why it happened. I caused it, I drove him to it.

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Itsalittlewetout · 11/09/2025 18:42

@YourBrickTiger I can’t understand why you’d think it’s ok to abuse someone that you aren’t interested in. Wouldn’t the correct way to behave would be to tell someone it’s not working and move on as adults. Would you abuse someone that you just aren’t interested in? It doesn’t really matter what angle you come at this from, his behaviour is unacceptable in all angles.

Itsalittlewetout · 11/09/2025 18:46

Was it ok for my ex to abuse me and take advantage off me because I was autistic? Because he called me weird and not like a normal wife. No it certainly wasn’t, but based on your thinking I deserved this.

TheAverageJoanne · 11/09/2025 19:00

"I should have known really that I'm nowhere near interesting or special enough to be with someone like him."

Someone like him????

Someone listed what he was about 20 pages back. Those descriptions (from memory) included rapist, misogynist, abuser, gaslighter and drug addict. His workplace antics are also illegal.

What the actual $*#@ is special about him? He doesn't deserve anyone "special", he deserves oblivion and prison.

He's a bad man.

Edited: I just read he's been in the army. I had a nasty, narcissistic, abusive line manager who was ex police and ex army.

"He is way out of my league I just wish I had known sooner"

He's out of nobody's league. He's worth nothing. God knows what his actual job is but I don't think he's very good at it, he seems to spend all his time wanking and using offensive language. Why do you want someone as vile and worthless as this?

I wouldn't wish him on my worst enemy.

Sunflowers67 · 11/09/2025 19:10

and calmmmmmmmm.

Tiger, this was and is a huge trauma for you - as abuse often is for all of us.

I don't have any other mental health issues (that I'm aware of) - and I could not deal with the emotions, confusions and constant mind fooks that he caused me after 15 years together. I could not get a handle on it, understand it, make sense of it and therefore I would not of healed or even started to heal.
You do have, by your own admission, some other issues going on, so you need additional help, more than us 'been there, done that' folks on MN.
Of course we will all listen, offer support and do our best to be there for you, but we are no substitute for a good therapist.

You are currently stuck. Trapped in this vicious cycle. You have not started to heal, deal or move on from it - and that is absolutely fine. No judgement here.
But, if you can admit one thing to yourself, then its a start.
Admit that you need professional help to unravel it all and to help you.

I know it costs money - find it, borrow it, put it on a credit card - anything - just get into weekly sessions with someone who is trained and qualified to help you.

You must start to take some positive steps towards healing from this 'man' and you must admit that you cannot do this alone anymore.

Please 🌻

Sunflowers67 · 11/09/2025 19:14

Please refresh my memory to save my scrolling fingers - when were you last an item with this creature? Was it a year ago?

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