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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 14:23

Hi - I am just hoping for a little help here...haven't been through a situation like I'm currently experiencing and it's very painful to the point of making me sick.

If I can kindly ask that no one advises against workplace romances, as I work with several couples, some of whom are married and even one who is divorced. I know a lot of people in my place of work who met here and are now married and still working together. So I thought it was ok for me too.

I don't have a support system. My parents have both passed away and friends that I do have keep everything at a surface level, which has made me unable to discuss this, therefore I apologise in advance for the length. I can't face anymore harsh criticism, so if you don't have time to read this as I understand it is very long, or you are critical of me, please be kind. I'm blaming myself enough.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man. A few years after we started working together, he told me that his second marriage was on the rocks and that he felt unlovable. I told him that I thought he was very lovable and made a joke that if I'd marry him if they were to split. Again, didn't pay it too much mind and thought nothing would ever happen, went about my life. Another few years passed without incident.

As Covid was coming to an end, and with his marriage over, we had been getting on very well at work and one night out of the blue, he rang me and we talked for 5 hours about everything and anything. I had been single for a long time after an abusive relationship with a man from outside the UK who just disappeared on me one night after living together for almost a year. At this point, I hadn't had a relationship in 11 years and wasn't looking but I was really really drawn to this guy at work. We had a lovely conversation but again, nothing much to report afterward.

A couple of months later, I plucked up the courage to ask him if he'd like to have another phonecall (facetime). We were essential workers and still in the cloud of the pandemic so thought this was the best approach. I wasn't prepared for his response. At this point he was 49 years old, he stood up, started to rub his chest, said 'oh God no no...oh no...this is making me really uncomfortable...' and left the room. I had rehearsed this in my head all day waiting for the right moment and this happened. I was completely mortified, hurt and eventually went home and beat myself up for not being cool enough or maybe even good enough for him. When I woke up the next morning he had called me three times and sent me messages to see if I was ok. I texted back how shocked I was and how I had obviously misread the signals, but told him he was someone I had grown to like very much and that it wasn't my intention to upset or scare him. When I got back to work a few days later, he'd stopped speaking to me.

This went on for a couple of weeks so I just kept my head down and got on with it. Another two weeks passed and all of a sudden, he was trying to make me laugh again, which he always could. I was relieved he seemed ok, but just left him to it. We started to get on better, and for his 50th I bought him a silly gift, no one else in his life seemed to make an effort, so I wanted to do something for him. On one of our dates he told me that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy. (It was a bottle opener made from wood).

We would be here all year if I told you the full story but although he and his wife didn't divorce, they separated, and he said he wanted nothing to do with women for a year. This to me was fine and healthy but he made a huge announcement to me about it. Feeling it safe, I said 'well if after that year is up, would you like to have a coffee with me?' and he said 'yes...I will have a think about that'.

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics. In work that day he kissed me for the first time.

We had arranged for him to come to my home, as I knew him so well this wasn't an issue and we were going to have a few drinks. I made a real effort, scrubbed the house until it was shining, and made myself look really nice, I thought. He arrived at the time we arranged. We sat down for our first drink and he immediately started to become nervous again. He admitted to being nervous and I just soothed him, telling him to relax, it was just me etc...but he said 'no no I have to leave'. He was only with me despite the massive build up for 5 minutes. I was completely and totally distraught and thought it must be something to do with my looks, or weight etc. I'm not stick thin and quite curvy but he had been paying me so many compliments I thought he was attracted.

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me infront of my colleagues.

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.

Then he came round again - this time my idea I admit it as I couldn't let him go. We became more involved and he came to my home, asked to see my family albums, made me promises about holidays, the future, said I didn't have to be concerned about money anymore (I'm very independent so it isn't a money issue anyway but was nice to have support). We were close, talking on the phone, being intimate, he even said 'imagine how everyone in work will feel when they find out we've been together for like 8 months' or something..! He told me he wanted me to meet his family, and let me facetime with his sister. It was clear she knew who I was and paid me lots of compliments, telling me she only wanted him to be happy. I said I would never hurt him and would always try to make him happy. He told his sister that I would do anything for him and he told me he felt I was his soulmate. He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.

On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed. We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. Despite his text, a month later he approached me again, asking for another chance and when I asked him why he had told me he didn't want me, his explanation was that he had just freaked out because he knew I had such deep feelings. Of course I agreed. Nearly as soon as I agreed, he turned cold. Despite the fact we'd made a date, he became cold with me. When I asked him why, he said 'I'm not going back there, I can't do it'.

This was the only time that I visibly cracked at work. Someone saw me crying and told my colleague who told him. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc.

For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him, but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.

On the day that I moved, the guy was coming out of the department I work in. I don't know why he was there but he shouted 'Good luck in the new job!' at me and walked on. I have rarely seen him since but if I do bump into him he is very nice, talkative wants to show me pictures on his phone etc. I do not understand this behaviour. He was hiding from me, but now he's being nice?

Because of everything that has happened, I have become a shell of myself. I work alone now, with very little interaction with anyone, I've isolated myself and feel like everyone hates me or doesn't want me around. He has remained in his position, which I guess is down to me as I didn't make a fuss as I would never have wanted him to be hurt. So I've carried it all. I felt I had up to a point a good relationship with my former boss but he didn't speak out for me or help me with some of the language that was used, the hiding in the toilets and the silent treatment that the guy inflicted in work. I've heard rumours of being called names like Baby Reindeer which I never was. I never stalked him, called him repeatedly, went to his home, didn't do anything harmful to him at all. He said that 'you went about it all the wrong way'. I have never asked a guy out before so that was a huge knock.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man, I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together. My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me. I really doubt myself now, all my interactions with people and fear because I'm not picture perfect, or picture thin that this happened to me due to that. To me he is very handsome, so maybe that's it? I am so scared for my future now, and my health is declining. I didn't know it was such a crime to be in love but if someone does hide from me in the bathroom, it surely means I'm repulsive? Out of everything I had shared with him and everything he knew, the hiding is probably the worst. I have thought of ending my life because if I am that bad what is the point, but I am trying to believe that maybe this isn't my fault? I just don't know anymore and thank you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who takes the time to read this and for letting me talk.

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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 23:01

Voxon · 15/07/2025 19:48

This was really hard to read. I will start with saying I think you'd lost your confidence long before you met him, so you attached feelings of love to him in order to fill a void. You dont love him because what you've described is nothing like love.

What I think went on with him.was classic man behaviour. He was separated, probably had a lot of deep pain and his own void to fill, and you were offering attention, admiration, affection so he took it at times. It sounds though like he was nowhere near ready for a relationship.

By tolerating his heinous behavior, you taught him not to value you. The relationship was always just two people with a void trying to full it, and while some will say he used you, in a broader sense you were using each other.

I know it's hard to forget him, but I can promise you it will never come to anything. So you can forget him now, or waste more time. The way things occurred they can't ever be put right.

So the focus is on you. Yes you are 49 but that's not old. I know many people who met their partners after this age. Put yourself in the world, travel, enjoy your one life and he will come.

Thank you, but I wasn’t trying to fill a void. He was someone who on the service of what I believed him to be, and who before we were close, portrayed himself to be a wonderful man. I had happily lived without a relationship for 13 years and wasn’t bothered. It has never been something I needed until him. But I absolutely do love him - please don’t take that from me. I would have done anything for him and I know that might seem strange but for me that is my heart, my feelings and I have loved the person I believed him to be for a very long time.

I am sorry to question your response which is appreciated but if it’s standard male behaviour, does that mean all men do this if lonely? If I had valued myself would it change who he is? I didn’t see it that way at the time and just kept believing he needed time, wasn’t ready and scared. I do see now I should not have tolerated it all but if I was tougher would he not be a horrible person?

I would forgive him if he worked on these issues so it isn’t beyond repair if he was to own up and address some of his issues. I am doing my best to address mine.

What I’m trying badly to say is, would I be in a happy relationship with him now if I had put a stop to things sooner? That’s what I mean about not being able to forgive myself. I’m blaming myself for not being tougher thinking if I was, he’d be with me now. I don’t know how to get past that guilt. Thank you.

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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 23:14

Apologies tried to edit it didn’t work….

Thank you, but I wasn’t trying to fill a void. He was someone who on the surface of what I believed him to be, and who before we were close, portrayed himself to be a wonderful man. I had happily lived without a relationship for 13 years and wasn’t bothered. It has never been something I needed until him. But I absolutely do love him - please don’t take that from me. I would have done anything for him and I know that might seem strange but for me that is my heart, my feelings and I have loved the person I believed him to be for a very long time. I certainly did not in any sense use him. I wanted a relationship with him and to me he was my person and the thought of causing him any hurt would have killed me. I wanted him for life, and am absolutely devastated he’s not here, I wasn’t using him. I don’t need a man in my life, I just wanted him. I hope that makes sense. I have zero interest in ever meeting anyone else because I think I will get it all wrong again so choose to be alone now.

I am sorry to question your response which is appreciated but if it’s standard male behaviour, does that mean all men do this if lonely? If I had valued myself would it change who he is? I didn’t see it that way at the time and just kept believing he needed time, wasn’t ready and scared. I do see now I should not have tolerated it all but if I was tougher would he not be a horrible person?

I would forgive him if he worked on these issues so it isn’t beyond repair if he was to own up and address some of his issues. I am doing my best to address mine.

What I’m trying badly to say is, would I be in a happy relationship with him now if I had put a stop to things sooner? That’s what I mean about not being able to forgive myself. I’m blaming myself for not being tougher thinking if I was, he’d be with me now. I don’t know how to get past that guilt. Thank you.

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TalulaHalulah · 15/07/2025 23:29

I am sorry I have not read everything you wrote because it was a very long post and it is late. But I have read enough to know that a fundamentally decent person worthy of time and love does not treat you as this man has treated you.

You have a lot of love to give and you wanted to give it to this man. He does not deserve it. There is nothing you can or should have done differently which would make him deserve it, his bad behaviour towards you is on him, entirely 100%. That is who he is.

Kindly, you cannot make someone love you and treat you well if they do not want to. Sometimes that is heartbreaking because you want to love them and them to love you. But you cannot make this happen without mutual consent to it. And if you love, when someone does not love you back, you make yourself vulnerable and open to abuse. You also close off avenues to finding a person who is kind and decent and has love to give you back.

Voxon · 15/07/2025 23:34

YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 23:01

Thank you, but I wasn’t trying to fill a void. He was someone who on the service of what I believed him to be, and who before we were close, portrayed himself to be a wonderful man. I had happily lived without a relationship for 13 years and wasn’t bothered. It has never been something I needed until him. But I absolutely do love him - please don’t take that from me. I would have done anything for him and I know that might seem strange but for me that is my heart, my feelings and I have loved the person I believed him to be for a very long time.

I am sorry to question your response which is appreciated but if it’s standard male behaviour, does that mean all men do this if lonely? If I had valued myself would it change who he is? I didn’t see it that way at the time and just kept believing he needed time, wasn’t ready and scared. I do see now I should not have tolerated it all but if I was tougher would he not be a horrible person?

I would forgive him if he worked on these issues so it isn’t beyond repair if he was to own up and address some of his issues. I am doing my best to address mine.

What I’m trying badly to say is, would I be in a happy relationship with him now if I had put a stop to things sooner? That’s what I mean about not being able to forgive myself. I’m blaming myself for not being tougher thinking if I was, he’d be with me now. I don’t know how to get past that guilt. Thank you.

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To put it bluntly, yes, men will have sex with women and even do relationshipy things because they're lonely, because they're depressed, because they like the attention. I dated men like that when I was younger - hot and cold - and it just means they don't want to be with you.

This "he wasn't ready" or "he was scared" is, I am sorry to say, something I think women invented to feel better. Men can be scared or not ready, but if they want to be with you, nothing will keep them away. I know this from experience.

With kindness, what you've described is not a wonderful man. He's a pretty horrible man actually. This didn't happen because of you as a person, or you not being stick thin, or you not walking away. He just wasn't the right one for you.

What you've described from him is really cruel behavior and it's nothing like love or even basic respect. Do you have friends in real life you can speak to about this? I feel very sad that you don't realise you deserve better.

I dated a string of the biggest arseholes when I was younger, and even felt in love with a few of them. But I think rejection can make you feel like that and blowing hot and cold fucks with your brain chemistry. If I'd known what was coming for me I wouldn't have wasted my time.

My husband came to me in mid life. He was scared, he wasn't ready and yet he never for a moment doubted what he wanted. That's how it'll happen when the person is right.

Good luck

YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 23:37

TalulaHalulah · 15/07/2025 23:29

I am sorry I have not read everything you wrote because it was a very long post and it is late. But I have read enough to know that a fundamentally decent person worthy of time and love does not treat you as this man has treated you.

You have a lot of love to give and you wanted to give it to this man. He does not deserve it. There is nothing you can or should have done differently which would make him deserve it, his bad behaviour towards you is on him, entirely 100%. That is who he is.

Kindly, you cannot make someone love you and treat you well if they do not want to. Sometimes that is heartbreaking because you want to love them and them to love you. But you cannot make this happen without mutual consent to it. And if you love, when someone does not love you back, you make yourself vulnerable and open to abuse. You also close off avenues to finding a person who is kind and decent and has love to give you back.

Thanks for the reply at this late hour.

I do have adhd late diagnosis so I take things very literally. Does that mean people who don’t love you but you love them have a right to abuse you? He did accuse me of ‘trying to control him to love me’. I promise I wasn’t. I was just trying to build a relationship.

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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 23:45

Voxon · 15/07/2025 23:34

To put it bluntly, yes, men will have sex with women and even do relationshipy things because they're lonely, because they're depressed, because they like the attention. I dated men like that when I was younger - hot and cold - and it just means they don't want to be with you.

This "he wasn't ready" or "he was scared" is, I am sorry to say, something I think women invented to feel better. Men can be scared or not ready, but if they want to be with you, nothing will keep them away. I know this from experience.

With kindness, what you've described is not a wonderful man. He's a pretty horrible man actually. This didn't happen because of you as a person, or you not being stick thin, or you not walking away. He just wasn't the right one for you.

What you've described from him is really cruel behavior and it's nothing like love or even basic respect. Do you have friends in real life you can speak to about this? I feel very sad that you don't realise you deserve better.

I dated a string of the biggest arseholes when I was younger, and even felt in love with a few of them. But I think rejection can make you feel like that and blowing hot and cold fucks with your brain chemistry. If I'd known what was coming for me I wouldn't have wasted my time.

My husband came to me in mid life. He was scared, he wasn't ready and yet he never for a moment doubted what he wanted. That's how it'll happen when the person is right.

Good luck

Thanks for getting back to me. The actual words of .scared, not ready, freaked out, got spooked, got cold feet were all his words, not mine. He even told me I had done a great job of tearing down part of his wall, but I had a good bit still to tear down. I believed him. All the things you describe in your husband is how I was with this man. Scared but never once doubted that I wanted to be with him. At the start he portrayed a spiritual, kind, funny, eccentric and understanding man. The change I saw was terrifying.

it’s just when I read things like he’s not the one for me, it frightens me that I was only subject to his abuse because of this. I need to believe it’s not just ME he would be horrible to.

No I don’t have friends to talk to about this. He is a closed subject because they don’t see how I can’t just leave it. It’s a very deep pain. And not having any family either is very hard. I am very isolated and just trying to survive and pay my bills. His actions have made me question my very existence, especially his hiding in the toilets.

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Ohnobackagain · 15/07/2025 23:47

@YourBrickTiger he is vile. You didn’t do
anything wrong; he did. Your boss is weak - that language/behaviour would not have been tolerated where I work. So many things to unpick.

Do yourself a favour and have nothing more to do with him, please. You deserve so much better.

TalulaHalulah · 16/07/2025 00:04

YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 23:37

Thanks for the reply at this late hour.

I do have adhd late diagnosis so I take things very literally. Does that mean people who don’t love you but you love them have a right to abuse you? He did accuse me of ‘trying to control him to love me’. I promise I wasn’t. I was just trying to build a relationship.

No, no-one has a right to abuse you.

What I mean is this.
If you love someone and you are not willing or able to walk away when they treat you badly, then you are vulnerable to being treated badly. It’s not that you are giving them the right, because no-one has the right to abuse you, but that you are making yourself vulnerable if you do not value yourself here and you are giving him the power.

You have cast yourself as a person without agency at the mercy of this deep and painful love. Being rejected is painful, and can be even more so if you have ADHD (read about rejection sensitivity dysphoria). But gently, this is your problem to solve, not his. He has given you some very mixed messages about his feelings and you have built your love story around this, but he cannot give you a clearer message than saying you are trying to control him to love you. You need to walk away and rebuild your life in healthier ways. This is not healthy.

I am sorry if I sound harsh, I was single for twelve years and then was asked out by someone who was the absolute master of mixed messages. I was heartbroken in the end so I get what you are saying, but you cannot make someone love you, you cannot change them, all you can do is work on your own life. Let go. Recover. Move on.

YourBrickTiger · 16/07/2025 00:11

TalulaHalulah · 16/07/2025 00:04

No, no-one has a right to abuse you.

What I mean is this.
If you love someone and you are not willing or able to walk away when they treat you badly, then you are vulnerable to being treated badly. It’s not that you are giving them the right, because no-one has the right to abuse you, but that you are making yourself vulnerable if you do not value yourself here and you are giving him the power.

You have cast yourself as a person without agency at the mercy of this deep and painful love. Being rejected is painful, and can be even more so if you have ADHD (read about rejection sensitivity dysphoria). But gently, this is your problem to solve, not his. He has given you some very mixed messages about his feelings and you have built your love story around this, but he cannot give you a clearer message than saying you are trying to control him to love you. You need to walk away and rebuild your life in healthier ways. This is not healthy.

I am sorry if I sound harsh, I was single for twelve years and then was asked out by someone who was the absolute master of mixed messages. I was heartbroken in the end so I get what you are saying, but you cannot make someone love you, you cannot change them, all you can do is work on your own life. Let go. Recover. Move on.

I don’t understand. Are you saying he is justified in his behaviour? I wasn’t trying to control anything, he had all the control and I thought I was starting to date someone! Plus even after he accused me of trying to control him to love me, he came back and admitted he had only said that because he freaked out! I did leave him alone - it was him who kept coming back? But each time he freaked out again it was somehow my fault! I wasn’t trying to MAKE him love me I hoped it would just grow naturally. I’m so confused I’m sorry. I was so so gentle with him and moved at his pace. Do you mean I caused this? I don’t mean to offend I’m sorry x

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Ilovelurchers · 16/07/2025 00:13

OP, just to add to what many others have said, THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. Nothing you did made this idiotic lunatic treat you in this appalling, insane, manipulative way. That is all on him, because he is unhinged. The coffee cup for example - a grown man acting like that about a cup! It's repulsive, laughable, inexplicable.

And it's very easy for people removed from the situation to say, why did you "let" him treat you like that...... But the point is, the manipulative abusers are good at what they do. They draw you in, make you doubt your sense of self and everything you know to be true.

I have always considered myself a strong, self-confident woman, knowledgeable about abuse (I even worked supporting abuse survivors for a while) and able to spot the signs easily and take appropriate action.

Didn't stop me getting absolutely exploited by a bullying narcissist who wheedled his way into my affections over time, and then subjected me to so much manipulation and strange, unsettling behaviour that for a whole i didn't know left from right or down from up.

In the right circumstances, I truly believe almost any of us could fall victim to these wierd, vampiric monsters.

In only it we're a case of "making sure your boundaries are high enough". We ALL have high boundaries until somebody systematically and deliberately dismantles them.

Nontheless, therapy (or counsellinf, or life coaching - whatever worlds for you but I suggest some form of talking therapy) can and does help you heal and protect yourself more going forwards. And you deserve it!

But please don't go into it thinking you are "broken". You are perfectly whole. Just a woman who has been treated horribly by an idiot, and understandably needs some help to put herself back to where she needs and wants fo bs.

Good luck.

InterestedBeing · 16/07/2025 00:18

YourBrickTiger · 16/07/2025 00:11

I don’t understand. Are you saying he is justified in his behaviour? I wasn’t trying to control anything, he had all the control and I thought I was starting to date someone! Plus even after he accused me of trying to control him to love me, he came back and admitted he had only said that because he freaked out! I did leave him alone - it was him who kept coming back? But each time he freaked out again it was somehow my fault! I wasn’t trying to MAKE him love me I hoped it would just grow naturally. I’m so confused I’m sorry. I was so so gentle with him and moved at his pace. Do you mean I caused this? I don’t mean to offend I’m sorry x

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He's not justified in his behaviour. I don't think anyone thinks that.

Nobody knows what he was really thinking. Only he knows that. He may have thought it was absolutely obvious that you weren't together and nothing was going to develop.

He told you he didn't love you and he kept backing away. Maybe he thought you knew there was nothing there.

It's not that he's justified in his behavior but maybe he thought you knew what the deal was

Heartbrokenanddevastated · 16/07/2025 00:24

OP I just wanted to add to what others have said, this man is a toxic, nasty gaslighting person. He may have liked you but used your feelings for him as collateral to elevate himself above you and steal your obviously loving, kind and innocent energy. That is the behaviour of a sociopath. You did nothing wrong. He has not only messed you around, but has made you believe it’s your fault. It is not your fault. You sound like a lovely person, worthy of respect like everyone else. This man is an utter shit. Please forgive yourself for loving him, even the idea of him. He is not worth any more of your previous time.

Delphiniumandlupins · 16/07/2025 01:07

You treated him too well because that's the person you are. You thought he was a good person too. He did not treat you well because he took your kindness as weakness. I think you were very honest and brave and patient with him but he did not deserve you. Please don't judge yourself by his words, they are a reflection of him, not you.

Do not get sucked back by him, create as much distance as you can. If you see him fake indifference until it becomes real. Try to keep busy, with new friends and hobbies perhaps. Your confidence has taken a knock because you thought he was worthy of your love but he wasn't. He's weak and cowardly and cruel. I think therapy would help you to appreciate your own value.

OohhhhhBigStretch · 16/07/2025 01:16

It’s not you op, it’s him

You need to stop engaging with him. If he approaches you to talk, or show you photos just say ‘can I just stop you there Bob, is this work related?’ When he says no, respond with ‘ok, I think it’s best we leave it there’ and walk off.

Could you look for another job in a different company?

SpryCat · 16/07/2025 02:51

He saw you were vulnerable, told you about his failing marriage to gain sympathy and pull you in. To make you think, he trusted you enough to confide in you and he told you he felt unlovable, which you told him he wasn’t and that you liked him.
A few years pass, he knows you like him, he out of the blue FaceTimed you for five hours, it was for you to feel there was a deeper connection and want more contact. After a few months of you waiting for more contact, you approached him, to ask, if he wanted another FaceTime, he discarded you, made you feel foolish and later that night tried to ring you and left messages, to hook you in again.

He likes to hook you in, discard you, make out you misread the signs, act concerned and then go completely cold on you by ignoring you. He hooks you in again, makes out he’s scared to get close, make you think he’s vulnerable, discards you and then go cold. He becomes even more cruel, raises your hopes up high, in order to confuse you and discards you once again.
It’s a cycle of abuse, a game he has played many times, to many women, in order to make him feel important/ special, he enjoys hurting people. He likes to break people, confuse them and break them some more!
He may come to you in the future, to pretend to be nice and try and hurt you further, you have to completely ignore him!
I know you are hurting, you feel humiliated but @YourBrickTiger you got off lightly, compared to his ex wives and his children. He would’ve tried to completely wipe them out, he would’ve been so much more abusive because they had the misfortune of living with him. He would’ve raged against them, threatened them and even been violent.
He is full of rage, hatred, he likes to punish everyone because he is a despicable, it wasn’t your fault, you were vulnerable and he is a predator looking for vulnerable people to destroy.

momtoboys · 16/07/2025 03:17

You have not mentioned one thing that this man is, says or does that seems in the least bit appealing. Pick your head up. Put on your big girl panties and go into your new
job and leave him in the dirt.

Newnamehiwhodis · 16/07/2025 03:45

“If someone treats me badly, does that mean I deserve it?”
no. Not at all. I used to feel this way, too, until therapy helped me see a few things.

  1. normal people who are even moderately kind do not expect others to earn respect and kindness. Think about it. You don’t treat one person badly because somehow they’re less than, and then turn around and be polite and even-tempered with someone else because somehow they earned that.

  2. the difference is: healthy people don’t stick around for this stuff. The man has ex wives for a reason. The man’s kids have refused contact for a reason.

  3. there is nothing wrong with you - except whatever wound has you believe that the way he treated you was ok. Work on healing that wound.

he sounds like a drama queen - was my first thought - but as this went on, it felt worse than that. Some people love strife and stress, and can’t live without some kind of battle to fight - but this is even worse. That hot/cold push/pull crap? That’s ALL HIM and the only thing you did “wrong” (which is not at all your fault) was to somehow believe that the more loving you were, the more he’d be a good person and a normal person. He is NOT. This man has something really wrong with him.
this kind of histrionic drama is not normal.
it sounds like he kept testing what you would accept.
he is abusive - and you’ve only scratched the surface! I bet his ex wives could tell you a hair-raising tale of abuse that would shock you.

PLEASE do NOT let him back into your life. Please remember how you felt when he humiliated you in front of your boss; if you have to, write it down and put it somewhere you’ll continue to see it - because he sounds like the type of sicko who will come back again and again to get a fix- of your emotions and goodness - and then humiliate you again so he can have an ego boost.

I know it doesn’t feel like it right now, but you got off lightly. You dodged a horrible speeding train that could have drained years of your life, your sanity, your bank account.

please cut him off and never let him fool you.

heal until you will walk away without question from someone who: love bombs you, future-fakes you, lies to you, Hoovers you, humiliates you, discards you, then Hoovers you back in again. Heal until you will without question block someone like this immediately, the first moment you get even a hint of this unstable behavior. The first time they cancel a date. The first time they hint at ex wife drama or child drama. The first time they push pull you with “I can’t be with a woman for a year” (BULLSHIT. He was just trying to see how much power you’d give away. Fucking creep. I am so angry at him on your behalf.)

you are lovely, and you deserve someone who has worked on himself, who is even tempered, loyal, and honest.

BabyCatFace · 16/07/2025 04:03

YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 23:45

Thanks for getting back to me. The actual words of .scared, not ready, freaked out, got spooked, got cold feet were all his words, not mine. He even told me I had done a great job of tearing down part of his wall, but I had a good bit still to tear down. I believed him. All the things you describe in your husband is how I was with this man. Scared but never once doubted that I wanted to be with him. At the start he portrayed a spiritual, kind, funny, eccentric and understanding man. The change I saw was terrifying.

it’s just when I read things like he’s not the one for me, it frightens me that I was only subject to his abuse because of this. I need to believe it’s not just ME he would be horrible to.

No I don’t have friends to talk to about this. He is a closed subject because they don’t see how I can’t just leave it. It’s a very deep pain. And not having any family either is very hard. I am very isolated and just trying to survive and pay my bills. His actions have made me question my very existence, especially his hiding in the toilets.

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He's got two wives and two kids who don't want to speak to him any longer. It's not just you!

FairyMaclary · 16/07/2025 04:03

Op the guys an arsehole. His phrases about ‘breaking down his barriers’ etc were him saying what he thought you wanted to hear. What decent man would lose contact with his kids?

Theres a book called ‘Love yourself like your life depends on it’ by Kamil Ravikant. He describes how he clawed himself back from a very bad time in his life. He tells you exactly what he did, exercise by exercise. They are simple and effective. If recommend reading it and doing the exercises very regularky fir several months. Especially every time you think about him.

Sometimes the dopamine hits if high / low and push /pull from
this type of ‘relationship’ can be addictive. It may make you feel more than you would had it been more level and easy. It can also make you feel subsequent relationships are lacking when in reality they are just normal.

Good luck op - the trick here is to work on you. Write down your values - write a journal each evening detailing how you lived by your values that day. Read that Ravikant book. Watch Brene Brown on YouTube - shame can be a factor in how we feel about ourselves. Recognising shame will also help you.

Anonusername1234 · 16/07/2025 06:38

‘I would forgive him if he worked on these issues so it isn’t beyond repair if he was to own up and address some of his issues. I am doing my best to address mine.’

You've had some amazing advice here from people who can see this nasty piece of work for who he is.

So this is worrying.

He is not some broken mess that needs fixing, he clearly is a narcissist who is deeply unkind and thrives on treating people badly. You are prey to him and he’s feeding off your pain. Some people are just bad. Period. The fact all his loved ones are no contact with him is the largest red flag.

This relationship is beyond repair. It is completely broken.

Tbh I wouldn’t just be looking at counselling I’d be looking for a new job because your work colleagues sound utterly vile. You need a fresh start.

i don’t think you are blameless in this. For whatever reason you have repeatedly gone back for more of the same treatment and you have to own that and you have to fix yourself to stop. He’s being ‘nice’ to you atm, you are vulnerable. Shut the ‘nice’ down and tell him you are done. There is no friendship there.

And get some serious help. You didn’t deserve this but sweetheart you have not been your own best friend.

Epidote · 16/07/2025 06:53

He is disgusting from head to toe. He had played and will play with you untill he gets bored.
Put yourself frist and don't give him a second of your time. He doesn't deserve it.
You are fine. Is him the problem.
Put yourselve first.

Passwordsaremynemesis · 16/07/2025 06:58

This guy is a head wrecker. You need to stay away from him or he will hurt you even more. Not because you deserve it, you really don’t, but because he is not a nice person and he is getting a weird kick out of messing with your head.

TalulaHalulah · 16/07/2025 07:32

YourBrickTiger · 16/07/2025 00:11

I don’t understand. Are you saying he is justified in his behaviour? I wasn’t trying to control anything, he had all the control and I thought I was starting to date someone! Plus even after he accused me of trying to control him to love me, he came back and admitted he had only said that because he freaked out! I did leave him alone - it was him who kept coming back? But each time he freaked out again it was somehow my fault! I wasn’t trying to MAKE him love me I hoped it would just grow naturally. I’m so confused I’m sorry. I was so so gentle with him and moved at his pace. Do you mean I caused this? I don’t mean to offend I’m sorry x

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No, of course I don’t mean that you caused this. Literally every post on this thread is telling you that you did not cause this and this man is not good news.
But if someone said that I was controlling them to love them, I would walk away because even if they retracted the statement, love should be given freely and I would not want that thought of my own behaviour. Even if he said he did not mean it, there is nothing you can do to make him be the person capable of loving you the way you want. So the only solution is to walk away.
If you do not walk away, you have got this cycle where he pulls you in, and then pushes you away in quite demeaning and hurtful ways. You cannot fix him. All you can do is step out of this destructive dynamic. It is really hard to see when you are in the dynamic which is why you are in this looping cycle with your thoughts. If you can access a therapist, I would do so. Because you deserve more than this.

Bittenonce · 16/07/2025 07:38

@YourBrickTiger so I’m still worried about you when you’re questioning whether things would have been better if you’d acted differently, whether he could ‘work on himself’, whether you could have ever have had some kind of healthy relationship with him. None of these things are possible. He is someone who can act nicely and normally up to a point and then - bang - he’s gone. Your only ‘mistake’ and I hesitate to even call it that , is that your lack of relationship experience meant you didn’t spot the warning signals sooner and get out to protect yourself. But his failed marriages and relationships means you’re far from the only one. He has serious mental health and personality issues that I couldn’t start to put labels on - and there’s little point in trying. I’ve never heard of or met anyone who acted like this.
I said in an earlier post - it’s not you. It’s not how you acted, what you did, it’s all him being a psychotic bipolar narcissist with zero empathy or awareness (sorry, I’ve started on the labeling- my bad).
If you can get another job - do it.
You need the absolute minimum contact with this man in your life. Ever.
Not all men are like this.You’ve clearly got a lot to give, but you will find someone who is also a giver and a carer rather than a taker.

manicpixieschemegirl · 16/07/2025 07:52

He’s vile and used you for an ego boost. These types of men can sniff out a vulnerable woman a mile away and you sound incredibly vulnerable, OP. And incredibly naive.

I think you need quite intensive therapy to understand why you made yourself so available to such a toxic man who treated you so badly. He completely humiliated you and you still think the relationship is not beyond repair? This is very worrying. Work with your therapist to bolster your self-worth so you don’t accept this behaviour from anyone again.

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