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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 14:23

Hi - I am just hoping for a little help here...haven't been through a situation like I'm currently experiencing and it's very painful to the point of making me sick.

If I can kindly ask that no one advises against workplace romances, as I work with several couples, some of whom are married and even one who is divorced. I know a lot of people in my place of work who met here and are now married and still working together. So I thought it was ok for me too.

I don't have a support system. My parents have both passed away and friends that I do have keep everything at a surface level, which has made me unable to discuss this, therefore I apologise in advance for the length. I can't face anymore harsh criticism, so if you don't have time to read this as I understand it is very long, or you are critical of me, please be kind. I'm blaming myself enough.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man. A few years after we started working together, he told me that his second marriage was on the rocks and that he felt unlovable. I told him that I thought he was very lovable and made a joke that if I'd marry him if they were to split. Again, didn't pay it too much mind and thought nothing would ever happen, went about my life. Another few years passed without incident.

As Covid was coming to an end, and with his marriage over, we had been getting on very well at work and one night out of the blue, he rang me and we talked for 5 hours about everything and anything. I had been single for a long time after an abusive relationship with a man from outside the UK who just disappeared on me one night after living together for almost a year. At this point, I hadn't had a relationship in 11 years and wasn't looking but I was really really drawn to this guy at work. We had a lovely conversation but again, nothing much to report afterward.

A couple of months later, I plucked up the courage to ask him if he'd like to have another phonecall (facetime). We were essential workers and still in the cloud of the pandemic so thought this was the best approach. I wasn't prepared for his response. At this point he was 49 years old, he stood up, started to rub his chest, said 'oh God no no...oh no...this is making me really uncomfortable...' and left the room. I had rehearsed this in my head all day waiting for the right moment and this happened. I was completely mortified, hurt and eventually went home and beat myself up for not being cool enough or maybe even good enough for him. When I woke up the next morning he had called me three times and sent me messages to see if I was ok. I texted back how shocked I was and how I had obviously misread the signals, but told him he was someone I had grown to like very much and that it wasn't my intention to upset or scare him. When I got back to work a few days later, he'd stopped speaking to me.

This went on for a couple of weeks so I just kept my head down and got on with it. Another two weeks passed and all of a sudden, he was trying to make me laugh again, which he always could. I was relieved he seemed ok, but just left him to it. We started to get on better, and for his 50th I bought him a silly gift, no one else in his life seemed to make an effort, so I wanted to do something for him. On one of our dates he told me that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy. (It was a bottle opener made from wood).

We would be here all year if I told you the full story but although he and his wife didn't divorce, they separated, and he said he wanted nothing to do with women for a year. This to me was fine and healthy but he made a huge announcement to me about it. Feeling it safe, I said 'well if after that year is up, would you like to have a coffee with me?' and he said 'yes...I will have a think about that'.

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics. In work that day he kissed me for the first time.

We had arranged for him to come to my home, as I knew him so well this wasn't an issue and we were going to have a few drinks. I made a real effort, scrubbed the house until it was shining, and made myself look really nice, I thought. He arrived at the time we arranged. We sat down for our first drink and he immediately started to become nervous again. He admitted to being nervous and I just soothed him, telling him to relax, it was just me etc...but he said 'no no I have to leave'. He was only with me despite the massive build up for 5 minutes. I was completely and totally distraught and thought it must be something to do with my looks, or weight etc. I'm not stick thin and quite curvy but he had been paying me so many compliments I thought he was attracted.

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me infront of my colleagues.

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.

Then he came round again - this time my idea I admit it as I couldn't let him go. We became more involved and he came to my home, asked to see my family albums, made me promises about holidays, the future, said I didn't have to be concerned about money anymore (I'm very independent so it isn't a money issue anyway but was nice to have support). We were close, talking on the phone, being intimate, he even said 'imagine how everyone in work will feel when they find out we've been together for like 8 months' or something..! He told me he wanted me to meet his family, and let me facetime with his sister. It was clear she knew who I was and paid me lots of compliments, telling me she only wanted him to be happy. I said I would never hurt him and would always try to make him happy. He told his sister that I would do anything for him and he told me he felt I was his soulmate. He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.

On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed. We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. Despite his text, a month later he approached me again, asking for another chance and when I asked him why he had told me he didn't want me, his explanation was that he had just freaked out because he knew I had such deep feelings. Of course I agreed. Nearly as soon as I agreed, he turned cold. Despite the fact we'd made a date, he became cold with me. When I asked him why, he said 'I'm not going back there, I can't do it'.

This was the only time that I visibly cracked at work. Someone saw me crying and told my colleague who told him. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc.

For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him, but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.

On the day that I moved, the guy was coming out of the department I work in. I don't know why he was there but he shouted 'Good luck in the new job!' at me and walked on. I have rarely seen him since but if I do bump into him he is very nice, talkative wants to show me pictures on his phone etc. I do not understand this behaviour. He was hiding from me, but now he's being nice?

Because of everything that has happened, I have become a shell of myself. I work alone now, with very little interaction with anyone, I've isolated myself and feel like everyone hates me or doesn't want me around. He has remained in his position, which I guess is down to me as I didn't make a fuss as I would never have wanted him to be hurt. So I've carried it all. I felt I had up to a point a good relationship with my former boss but he didn't speak out for me or help me with some of the language that was used, the hiding in the toilets and the silent treatment that the guy inflicted in work. I've heard rumours of being called names like Baby Reindeer which I never was. I never stalked him, called him repeatedly, went to his home, didn't do anything harmful to him at all. He said that 'you went about it all the wrong way'. I have never asked a guy out before so that was a huge knock.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man, I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together. My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me. I really doubt myself now, all my interactions with people and fear because I'm not picture perfect, or picture thin that this happened to me due to that. To me he is very handsome, so maybe that's it? I am so scared for my future now, and my health is declining. I didn't know it was such a crime to be in love but if someone does hide from me in the bathroom, it surely means I'm repulsive? Out of everything I had shared with him and everything he knew, the hiding is probably the worst. I have thought of ending my life because if I am that bad what is the point, but I am trying to believe that maybe this isn't my fault? I just don't know anymore and thank you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who takes the time to read this and for letting me talk.

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MuckFusk · 06/08/2025 06:33

YourBrickTiger · 05/08/2025 19:39

I saw him today. I was in the carpark and he came in as we were both leaving at the same time. I didn’t expect to see him. He clocked me and was so so nice. He said hello by my name and asked me how I was and how I was doing. I just mumbled I’m ok. He said a little about what his day had entailed before we both went to our separate cars. Not the actions of someone who is uncomfortable around me.

This is the danger zone. Keep no contact. Don't let him have a chance to manipulate you, because that's exactly what he was doing.
If you run into him somewhere just get the hell out of there as quickly as you can.

CampCrow · 06/08/2025 08:04

YourBrickTiger · 05/08/2025 19:39

I saw him today. I was in the carpark and he came in as we were both leaving at the same time. I didn’t expect to see him. He clocked me and was so so nice. He said hello by my name and asked me how I was and how I was doing. I just mumbled I’m ok. He said a little about what his day had entailed before we both went to our separate cars. Not the actions of someone who is uncomfortable around me.

OP,
why are you even talking to him and giving him a chance to be ‘so so nice’ He isn’t capable of being ‘nice’. Look at what he has done and look how he has treated you. He doesn’t care about you and is just messing with you. Don’t be gullible and fall for it. This is why so many posters have said you need to leave that job.

what did you feel after speaking to him?

fluffiphlox · 06/08/2025 08:50

I commented on here three weeks ago. You have been given loads of sensible advice which you seem to discount while wallowing in the delusion that this is a nice man with honest intentions. Ignore him!

YourBrickTiger · 06/08/2025 09:17

CampCrow · 06/08/2025 08:04

OP,
why are you even talking to him and giving him a chance to be ‘so so nice’ He isn’t capable of being ‘nice’. Look at what he has done and look how he has treated you. He doesn’t care about you and is just messing with you. Don’t be gullible and fall for it. This is why so many posters have said you need to leave that job.

what did you feel after speaking to him?

I felt confused, if I'm being honest. It was like a 5 secs conversation but it's like a completely different person to the one that felt the need to hide in the toilets. I know I will get flack for saying this but I felt reassured, like maybe I'm not the bad smell I've been led to believe. But I was also a bit scared. I didn't see him coming so was blindsighted.

I am not 'ignoring' advice, which will I have outlined in the posts which may be being ignored by some. I'm just writing with a small follow up.

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TheAverageJoanne · 06/08/2025 09:26

This is him pretending to be "nice" so that you'll give him an opportunity - which he'll use to muck you about again.

He's the bad smell as you put it.

YourBrickTiger · 06/08/2025 09:27

TheAverageJoanne · 06/08/2025 09:26

This is him pretending to be "nice" so that you'll give him an opportunity - which he'll use to muck you about again.

He's the bad smell as you put it.

It was weird. I expected him just to walk by so I sort of froze. I need to get better at whatever this grey rock thing is.

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Sunflowers67 · 06/08/2025 09:39

It is horrible when you see them, probably even worse when they speak to you - poor you, being caught off guard like that.
My counsellor and I had a plan in place for what I would do when/if I saw him.
It was to not engage, turn and walk the other way and sit down somewhere away from him, out of sight and catch my breath.
Sounds nice and easy but it wasn't.

I looked up from shopping and there he was! One part of me wanted to fall on the floor at his feet and sob like a baby, the other part wanted to run. I left the trolley in the middle of the aisle, turned and walked the long way around the store on shaky legs and got to my car. Then I sat and sobbed. That encounter left me wobbly and on edge for days, emotions all over the place.

Well done you! Sounds like you coped extremely well with that situation.

As for him appearing cool, calm, collected and 'nice' - yes, that's what they do. They have to be nice - its part of the charade. But we all know how quickly they can change into the cruel, vile people that they are.
Next time, try to not engage at all - act as if he doesn't exist. I know that it isn't easy to blatantly ignore someone as we are kind, considerate people and being rude is not in our nature, but just do a quick turn and walk the other way as if he isn't there.

But very well done for managing that moment.

MaryGreenhill · 06/08/2025 09:54

You need that moment when all you thought he was falls from your eyes and you see him for what he truly is . Once you have that you can't unsee it and you are instantly cured . I really wish this for you @YourBrickTiger

IncessantNameChanger · 06/08/2025 10:18

Op you. He is both the nicey nicey person and deeply spiteful person. At the same time. He isn't the nice person who was also cruel to you. He is simultaneously both as a whole person. But the nice person is the acting part of him, while he is on stage. The part of him who is like the phone scammer saying you need to hand over your banking details. At the same time as they charm you, they are also robbing you blind.

There's no nice him and him on a bad day. It's the same person.

Think of the genuinely nicest person you know. Do they humiliate people too? Or do they have their bad moments and bad days? Really nice people tend not repeatedly be cruel and nasty on bad days. They loose their shit maybe, maybe shout, maybe rude but look harder and they don't insult and humiliate, they don't low blow. Because they aren't acting at being nice.

Nice people get no satisfaction from hurting people therefore try not to resort to it.

GwendolineFairfax8 · 06/08/2025 11:13

YourBrickTiger · 06/08/2025 09:17

I felt confused, if I'm being honest. It was like a 5 secs conversation but it's like a completely different person to the one that felt the need to hide in the toilets. I know I will get flack for saying this but I felt reassured, like maybe I'm not the bad smell I've been led to believe. But I was also a bit scared. I didn't see him coming so was blindsighted.

I am not 'ignoring' advice, which will I have outlined in the posts which may be being ignored by some. I'm just writing with a small follow up.

For what it’s worth @YourBrickTiger I think you handled the situation really well. You didn’t run away or let him see you cry, you acted with dignity.

To other posters, this incident happened at her place of work. Can you imagine if she was hostile to him and he reported her for it. If she had become angry he would have likely claimed she was harassing him - after all he was only being polite and asking is she was ok (he will say). This may be a deliberate ploy on his part I agree.

I hope OP does not stop posting because I think some of the responses on here are massively helpful, not just to her but others who have been or are going through similar trauma and gaslighting.

YourBrickTiger · 06/08/2025 11:27

GwendolineFairfax8 · 06/08/2025 11:13

For what it’s worth @YourBrickTiger I think you handled the situation really well. You didn’t run away or let him see you cry, you acted with dignity.

To other posters, this incident happened at her place of work. Can you imagine if she was hostile to him and he reported her for it. If she had become angry he would have likely claimed she was harassing him - after all he was only being polite and asking is she was ok (he will say). This may be a deliberate ploy on his part I agree.

I hope OP does not stop posting because I think some of the responses on here are massively helpful, not just to her but others who have been or are going through similar trauma and gaslighting.

Thanks as always Gwendoline. Really appreciate that.

Yes I do have to be very careful. It really is like one wrong move and he will resort to 'she said this' or 'she did that'. He's done it before over really simple things like 'she touched my arm'. I'm naturally very tactile and will try to comfort people if they are upset. But he's such a mindworker that he would have slept with me, then told my boss a few weeks later 'oh she touched my arm'.

Better to give him the upper hand, at least externally so I don't have to worry about anything. It just amazes me he asks how I am - it's like it was his evil twin hiding in the bathroom.

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PeggyMitchellsCameo · 08/08/2025 13:20

How are you doing @YourBrickTiger ?

YourBrickTiger · 08/08/2025 13:42

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 08/08/2025 13:20

How are you doing @YourBrickTiger ?

Thank you for asking Peggy. I'm doing ok, just a little sad and anxious. I have a pizza planned with a newish friend this evening and tomorrow I really hope to cut my grass. I had a counselling session yesterday which was quite heavy and she has recommended Women's Aid, which I was really shocked to hear as she took it so seriously as abuse. Abuse abuse. That's what I have to keep saying. Him seeing me the other day and being so nice has thrown me. I think it means I must not be as awful as I thought. But am also quite guarded as to his motives for doing that. The counsellor said men like him do not change.

On Sunday I am having a massage as I have a sore back.

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Bittenonce · 08/08/2025 13:49
  1. Your counsellor is right!
  2. I’m glad you’re seeing her
  3. I’m also glad you’re having someone round for Pizza 😁

So don’t be sad, it’s all going in the right direction?! Enjoy the sunshine, have a lovely weekend

YourBrickTiger · 08/08/2025 13:53

Bittenonce · 08/08/2025 13:49

  1. Your counsellor is right!
  2. I’m glad you’re seeing her
  3. I’m also glad you’re having someone round for Pizza 😁

So don’t be sad, it’s all going in the right direction?! Enjoy the sunshine, have a lovely weekend

Thank you for the support and encouragement. Can I just ask one thing (sorry) - abusive men are abusive to all right? Not just me?

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PeggyMitchellsCameo · 08/08/2025 13:55

You are making great strides indeed!
I thought this thread might help? As you are very literal, this poster’s story is not the same as yours, but I think a lot of the feelings she has been left with are.
Might give you a glimpse that you aren’t the only person going through it. Again, it’s not the story that’s similar, more the feelings around it?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5362416-bf-making-me-feel-like-i-am-a-bad-person?page=7

Bittenonce · 08/08/2025 14:09

YourBrickTiger · 08/08/2025 13:53

Thank you for the support and encouragement. Can I just ask one thing (sorry) - abusive men are abusive to all right? Not just me?

Ok I’ll say it again - it’s not you!
I don’t need to be a counsellor or a woman to see he’s an abusive oxygen thief I wouldn’t want to be around me, or anyone I cared about. I’ll be happy when you can see clearly that it’s all down to him and it really, really isn’t you!

YourBrickTiger · 08/08/2025 14:18

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 08/08/2025 13:55

You are making great strides indeed!
I thought this thread might help? As you are very literal, this poster’s story is not the same as yours, but I think a lot of the feelings she has been left with are.
Might give you a glimpse that you aren’t the only person going through it. Again, it’s not the story that’s similar, more the feelings around it?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5362416-bf-making-me-feel-like-i-am-a-bad-person?page=7

Thanks so much Peggy I will take a look x

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YourBrickTiger · 08/08/2025 14:19

Bittenonce · 08/08/2025 14:09

Ok I’ll say it again - it’s not you!
I don’t need to be a counsellor or a woman to see he’s an abusive oxygen thief I wouldn’t want to be around me, or anyone I cared about. I’ll be happy when you can see clearly that it’s all down to him and it really, really isn’t you!

Thank you so much. I forgot to say she gave me 'permission' to recognise what I have been through as trauma and the impact it's had on ME. I think I was trying to keep it buried but she says it's important to recognise it.

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Bittenonce · 08/08/2025 14:33

YourBrickTiger · 08/08/2025 14:19

Thank you so much. I forgot to say she gave me 'permission' to recognise what I have been through as trauma and the impact it's had on ME. I think I was trying to keep it buried but she says it's important to recognise it.

Really glad she’s helping. Like so many others, I can see the problem easily enough but sometimes don’t have the right words to help you out of it.

Sunflowers67 · 09/08/2025 10:39

Well done to you - that is real progress!
Pizza, massage booked and first therapy session.
You are doing so well.

Even with therapy and doing everything right, I just kept questioning if I was the bad guy in this tale. The word 'abuse' just didn't sit right - that didn't happen to me! That was people on films and on the TV - not me.
It took a lot of posting on here, writing in my journal, reading and watching everything available for it to start to sink in.
I'm by no means there yet (four months in, I think) but I'm better than I was.
What helped for me was actually saying it out loud to people (trusted ones of course) - "he was abusive to me", "he was a damaged man that abused me".

Then I would read that abusers will go around telling everyone that they are the victim and that you were the abuser, so I'd then question if I was the abuser merely by telling people that he was! Oh it just went round and round and round in my brain until I was exhausted.

My therapist was very good in putting me back on track again for a few days, forcing myself out and to mingle with others also helped - you just have to keep going and taking it one day/hour at a time.

It is easy from us on the outside looking in to whole heartedly see it and say it - Yes, he was/always will be an abuser. He abused you. But it will take some time for you to see it also - in the meantime, just trust your therapist and us!

Have a lovely weekend (or the best you can manage at the moment anyway!) 🌻

YourBrickTiger · 11/08/2025 18:33

A male co worker today told me I was the nicest lovliest person he knew and also said I am beautiful. He isn’t creepy or anything and it gave me a bit of a lift.

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Bittenonce · 11/08/2025 18:40

YourBrickTiger · 11/08/2025 18:33

A male co worker today told me I was the nicest lovliest person he knew and also said I am beautiful. He isn’t creepy or anything and it gave me a bit of a lift.

You see, there are people who appreciate you!
Made me smile to think you felt a bit lifted.
But at the same time - just be careful of men in your toxic workplace, okay? Enjoy the moment but - just don’t read anything into it, keep your guard up!
Sorry if I’m spoiling the moment but because it’s your workplace I just have this dread …..

YourBrickTiger · 12/08/2025 09:11

Bittenonce · 11/08/2025 18:40

You see, there are people who appreciate you!
Made me smile to think you felt a bit lifted.
But at the same time - just be careful of men in your toxic workplace, okay? Enjoy the moment but - just don’t read anything into it, keep your guard up!
Sorry if I’m spoiling the moment but because it’s your workplace I just have this dread …..

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I will be careful thank you. Would never entertain anyone now. Those days are over for me.

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Bittenonce · 12/08/2025 09:16

YourBrickTiger · 12/08/2025 09:11

I will be careful thank you. Would never entertain anyone now. Those days are over for me.

Don’t see them as over! Just need time to get stronger, love yourself first

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