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YourBrickTiger · 15/07/2025 14:23

Hi - I am just hoping for a little help here...haven't been through a situation like I'm currently experiencing and it's very painful to the point of making me sick.

If I can kindly ask that no one advises against workplace romances, as I work with several couples, some of whom are married and even one who is divorced. I know a lot of people in my place of work who met here and are now married and still working together. So I thought it was ok for me too.

I don't have a support system. My parents have both passed away and friends that I do have keep everything at a surface level, which has made me unable to discuss this, therefore I apologise in advance for the length. I can't face anymore harsh criticism, so if you don't have time to read this as I understand it is very long, or you are critical of me, please be kind. I'm blaming myself enough.

I met a man, a colleague who I really liked, about 8 years ago, admired from afar as he was married and never gave it much thought other than I thought he was a really nice decent man. A few years after we started working together, he told me that his second marriage was on the rocks and that he felt unlovable. I told him that I thought he was very lovable and made a joke that if I'd marry him if they were to split. Again, didn't pay it too much mind and thought nothing would ever happen, went about my life. Another few years passed without incident.

As Covid was coming to an end, and with his marriage over, we had been getting on very well at work and one night out of the blue, he rang me and we talked for 5 hours about everything and anything. I had been single for a long time after an abusive relationship with a man from outside the UK who just disappeared on me one night after living together for almost a year. At this point, I hadn't had a relationship in 11 years and wasn't looking but I was really really drawn to this guy at work. We had a lovely conversation but again, nothing much to report afterward.

A couple of months later, I plucked up the courage to ask him if he'd like to have another phonecall (facetime). We were essential workers and still in the cloud of the pandemic so thought this was the best approach. I wasn't prepared for his response. At this point he was 49 years old, he stood up, started to rub his chest, said 'oh God no no...oh no...this is making me really uncomfortable...' and left the room. I had rehearsed this in my head all day waiting for the right moment and this happened. I was completely mortified, hurt and eventually went home and beat myself up for not being cool enough or maybe even good enough for him. When I woke up the next morning he had called me three times and sent me messages to see if I was ok. I texted back how shocked I was and how I had obviously misread the signals, but told him he was someone I had grown to like very much and that it wasn't my intention to upset or scare him. When I got back to work a few days later, he'd stopped speaking to me.

This went on for a couple of weeks so I just kept my head down and got on with it. Another two weeks passed and all of a sudden, he was trying to make me laugh again, which he always could. I was relieved he seemed ok, but just left him to it. We started to get on better, and for his 50th I bought him a silly gift, no one else in his life seemed to make an effort, so I wanted to do something for him. On one of our dates he told me that his friends dog had used it as a chew toy. (It was a bottle opener made from wood).

We would be here all year if I told you the full story but although he and his wife didn't divorce, they separated, and he said he wanted nothing to do with women for a year. This to me was fine and healthy but he made a huge announcement to me about it. Feeling it safe, I said 'well if after that year is up, would you like to have a coffee with me?' and he said 'yes...I will have a think about that'.

No more than 2 weeks passed, when we were alone and he asked me out. I was elated! We set a date and he was calling me and texting me in the build up to it. All his nerves seemed to have gone. He sent me photos of himself, went through my socials and complimented me on my photos. He even sent me a few intimate pics. In work that day he kissed me for the first time.

We had arranged for him to come to my home, as I knew him so well this wasn't an issue and we were going to have a few drinks. I made a real effort, scrubbed the house until it was shining, and made myself look really nice, I thought. He arrived at the time we arranged. We sat down for our first drink and he immediately started to become nervous again. He admitted to being nervous and I just soothed him, telling him to relax, it was just me etc...but he said 'no no I have to leave'. He was only with me despite the massive build up for 5 minutes. I was completely and totally distraught and thought it must be something to do with my looks, or weight etc. I'm not stick thin and quite curvy but he had been paying me so many compliments I thought he was attracted.

I had the awful situation of having to face him again in work but I just tried to walk past him with a brief hello. It was agonising - he did attempt a short apology but in his words it was 'sorry about everything I just got all'...and made this funny noise that you would make as if you were shivering or something.

I had developed feelings by this point but just had to try to get on with it. I was hit with various other awful things like him accusing me of stalking one of his exes. He blew up at me in work as I had clicked on her profile when she came up as a friend suggestion. It was genuine. She is friends with my cousin and I have family in the area he is from. He defriended me from facebook as I had clicked 'like' on this ladies nails, and then once I realised who she was I unliked it. Thinking no harm done, but he found out. He was SO angry with me. It crushed me that he had deleted me and when I tried to explain the family connection, he put his hand up in front of me and said 'I don't want to hear it'. When I said 'Please let me explain!' he shouted 'F* off' at me infront of my colleagues.

There is a lot of other stuff that has happened but that Christmas he approached me again after he started talking to me again and we slept together. He told me he knew how much I had fallen for him and that he just needed time as he admitted he didn't know what he was doing with his life. I told him to take all the time he needed. A few days later, he stopped speaking to me again. He approached me for another date which I agreed to and at the time he was due to meet me, he cancelled, saying he wasn't quite ready.

Then he came round again - this time my idea I admit it as I couldn't let him go. We became more involved and he came to my home, asked to see my family albums, made me promises about holidays, the future, said I didn't have to be concerned about money anymore (I'm very independent so it isn't a money issue anyway but was nice to have support). We were close, talking on the phone, being intimate, he even said 'imagine how everyone in work will feel when they find out we've been together for like 8 months' or something..! He told me he wanted me to meet his family, and let me facetime with his sister. It was clear she knew who I was and paid me lots of compliments, telling me she only wanted him to be happy. I said I would never hurt him and would always try to make him happy. He told his sister that I would do anything for him and he told me he felt I was his soulmate. He told other people (who told me) that he had told them he knew I had fallen for him and that I was a lovely girl who would make a wonderful wife.

On the day we were due to meet his family, his whole demeanour changed. We woke up and even his facial expressions were different. He said 'I have to go now' and when I enquired about the family he said 'we'll do it another time'. He assured me he wasn't coming back but I didn't hear from him for 5 days. He sent a text to say he wanted to be alone, he didn't love me, he knew I loved him, that all it was was 'sex and a drink', and that he knew I'd react badly and he had to go because I was stressing him out.

I totally and completely fell apart but managed to sort of hold it together at work. Despite his text, a month later he approached me again, asking for another chance and when I asked him why he had told me he didn't want me, his explanation was that he had just freaked out because he knew I had such deep feelings. Of course I agreed. Nearly as soon as I agreed, he turned cold. Despite the fact we'd made a date, he became cold with me. When I asked him why, he said 'I'm not going back there, I can't do it'.

This was the only time that I visibly cracked at work. Someone saw me crying and told my colleague who told him. He became so so angry with me that he arranged a meeting with me and my boss in which he said in front of my boss 'I did not make love to you - I f*** you'. My boss said nothing. He told me he could 'get any girl in a bar and take her home' and told me that I had caused him a total nightmare.

I took some time off work and when I returned I didn't go near him. But apparently made one fatal mistake. I borrowed his coffee cup. One day when I forgot my own, I used his. Washed it thoroughly and put it back. He found out about this too because someone started to tease him about me using it and he apparently laughed. But with me it was a different story. He took the cup home and said 'I don't like anyone using my stuff'. Despite having been in my home etc.

For the next month he stopped talking to me and texted my colleagues to say things like 'Tell her I'm hiding in the toilets' or 'has she gone yet?'. I was so devastated because all I had done was borrowed a cup. I hadn't bothered him, begged him, stalked him, annoyed him, nothing at all. I had left him alone. I begged my boss to talk to him, to get him to stop and he said he would not speak to him, but would keep an eye on it. It continued for over a month with no help until I begged my boss. I was so humiliated and because of this, decided to move to a different department.

On the day that I moved, the guy was coming out of the department I work in. I don't know why he was there but he shouted 'Good luck in the new job!' at me and walked on. I have rarely seen him since but if I do bump into him he is very nice, talkative wants to show me pictures on his phone etc. I do not understand this behaviour. He was hiding from me, but now he's being nice?

Because of everything that has happened, I have become a shell of myself. I work alone now, with very little interaction with anyone, I've isolated myself and feel like everyone hates me or doesn't want me around. He has remained in his position, which I guess is down to me as I didn't make a fuss as I would never have wanted him to be hurt. So I've carried it all. I felt I had up to a point a good relationship with my former boss but he didn't speak out for me or help me with some of the language that was used, the hiding in the toilets and the silent treatment that the guy inflicted in work. I've heard rumours of being called names like Baby Reindeer which I never was. I never stalked him, called him repeatedly, went to his home, didn't do anything harmful to him at all. He said that 'you went about it all the wrong way'. I have never asked a guy out before so that was a huge knock.

His kids don't talk to him anymore and I had hoped he would be able to reconcile whatever happened with my help but it's never happened. He told me his ex wife has turned them against him.

I've come away thinking that I'm a freak, that there is something the matter with me because I fell for someone who I genuinely liked. It is killing me, I've had to have therapy but nothing is convincing me that I didn't cause this by loving him and by believing he was just scared and giving so many chances. There are days I just don't cope at all, then days I really do, and days I really miss him so so much. I believed he was a different man, I still do believe he's lost and afraid but I don't know why he had to do this to someone who had been so kind to him and loving for so long, even when we weren't together. My fear is now that I'm no good for anyone and never will be. I'm 49 now and can't get past it. No matter what I try to do it's like a black cloud hanging over me. I really doubt myself now, all my interactions with people and fear because I'm not picture perfect, or picture thin that this happened to me due to that. To me he is very handsome, so maybe that's it? I am so scared for my future now, and my health is declining. I didn't know it was such a crime to be in love but if someone does hide from me in the bathroom, it surely means I'm repulsive? Out of everything I had shared with him and everything he knew, the hiding is probably the worst. I have thought of ending my life because if I am that bad what is the point, but I am trying to believe that maybe this isn't my fault? I just don't know anymore and thank you from the bottom of my heart to anyone who takes the time to read this and for letting me talk.

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YourBrickTiger · 12/08/2025 09:29

Bittenonce · 12/08/2025 09:16

Don’t see them as over! Just need time to get stronger, love yourself first

Thank you, I have been left feeling there is nothing to love. I still have certain beliefs that you have to be and act and look a certain way before you will be lovable. It certainly doesn't leave room for a belly or ADHD ;) or being overly loving. Until I have some things figured out I won't ever go there again x

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Bittenonce · 12/08/2025 10:55

YourBrickTiger · 12/08/2025 09:29

Thank you, I have been left feeling there is nothing to love. I still have certain beliefs that you have to be and act and look a certain way before you will be lovable. It certainly doesn't leave room for a belly or ADHD ;) or being overly loving. Until I have some things figured out I won't ever go there again x

I’m going to start telling you off soon!
You’ve got people IRL telling you you’re special. And not because they’re after something…..
So your first step is to start believing them.
Then your next step is to believe it yourself, without being told.
But there’s no hurry - and you know you can reach out any time if you have a wobble.
Now go and have a lovely day

GwendolineFairfax8 · 12/08/2025 11:03

YourBrickTiger · 12/08/2025 09:29

Thank you, I have been left feeling there is nothing to love. I still have certain beliefs that you have to be and act and look a certain way before you will be lovable. It certainly doesn't leave room for a belly or ADHD ;) or being overly loving. Until I have some things figured out I won't ever go there again x

@YourBrickTiger
You come across as a good and kind person. We all have our faults and things that make us imperfect - we are human.

Someone I should have been able to trust betrayed me (my elder and only sibling). I did everything I could to support her in lots of awful situations she was/is involved in. It hurt so much when the one time I needed help she betrayed me and worse behind my back which I only found out about by chance. I would have had more respect if she’d told me to my face. I look back at what I put up with or kept quiet about (really serious criminal behaviour which is in the press) and I don’t understand why I did at the expense of victims.

Our relationship is over for good. It was only once I recognised that, that I started to feel better without her in my life because ‘family’ is supposed to come first. I changed myself to accommodate her and now I am free to be me - but it’s not like it’s a full stop and I can just forget it and move on quickly.

I am so sad what you are going through and would not want it for you - but you being brave enough to post has really helped me (and I’m sure lots of others) process how one person can have such a massive influence over another - even when the alarm signals are flashing.

Sorry to derail your thread but hope you can see that you are getting stronger - one step at a time. There is no quick fix unfortunately but you are doing great and that is from a stranger with no agenda 😊

Please keep posting - good or bad.

YourBrickTiger · 13/08/2025 09:38

Sorry everyone, had a bit of a bad night. It was so warm and I found it difficult to sleep then some thoughts started to creep back in and kept me awake. She popped into my head again and fake scenarios that haven't happened too. Is that normal with trauma? Overthinking and worrying about stuff that hasn't happened?? I realise she isn't the friend I thought she was but for me it's MASSIVE and deliberate and her wanting to be queen bee with no other females around her. I don't know if the ADHD that makes me think like this. It's really horrible.

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Sunflowers67 · 13/08/2025 10:07

It was a warm one last night and I expect a few had trouble sleeping (especially with big furry dogs wrapped around your legs too!).
I used to dread going to bed in the early days because unless I was absolutely exhausted, I would lie awake thinking, wondering, worrying. Then I'd feel so drained the next day that I was over emotional all day.
A friend of mine recommended 'audible' books and I never looked back! So me and the dogs got the app on the phone and listen to a bedtime story now. I am usually fast asleep within 20 minutes!
Might be worth a try?

You will get there, of that I am certain. Us women are made of strong stuff 🌻

afraidberry · 13/08/2025 10:12

sorry to hear this it sounds really hard :( I'd seek help from a qualified professional when it comes to mental health.

try and also look after yourself which i know is hard when you feel like this but connect with friends/family, get outside, eat well, move your body, listen to podcasts and audiobooks that you resonate with.

Lmnop22 · 13/08/2025 10:15

You did absolutely nothing wrong here OP. You had good intentions and had feelings for someone. He just used your feelings to make himself feel good about himself and stroke his ego when he never really reciprocated them properly.

This was an abusive man and you really are better off without him, time will heal and you will see that.

You sound absolutely genuine and lovely and, when your ready, any man would be lucky to have such a loving and caring partner as you

Lmnop22 · 13/08/2025 10:16

You did absolutely nothing wrong here OP. You had good intentions and had feelings for someone. He just used your feelings to make himself feel good about himself and stroke his ego when he never really reciprocated them properly.

This was an abusive man and you really are better off without him, time will heal and you will see that.

You sound absolutely genuine and lovely and, when your ready, any man would be lucky to have such a loving and caring partner as you

Bittenonce · 13/08/2025 10:30

YourBrickTiger · 13/08/2025 09:38

Sorry everyone, had a bit of a bad night. It was so warm and I found it difficult to sleep then some thoughts started to creep back in and kept me awake. She popped into my head again and fake scenarios that haven't happened too. Is that normal with trauma? Overthinking and worrying about stuff that hasn't happened?? I realise she isn't the friend I thought she was but for me it's MASSIVE and deliberate and her wanting to be queen bee with no other females around her. I don't know if the ADHD that makes me think like this. It's really horrible.

We all have those nights, it’s not just you. When you can’t sleep and then can’t get some thought out of your head….

YourBrickTiger · 13/08/2025 11:40

Lmnop22 · 13/08/2025 10:15

You did absolutely nothing wrong here OP. You had good intentions and had feelings for someone. He just used your feelings to make himself feel good about himself and stroke his ego when he never really reciprocated them properly.

This was an abusive man and you really are better off without him, time will heal and you will see that.

You sound absolutely genuine and lovely and, when your ready, any man would be lucky to have such a loving and caring partner as you

Thank you for saying that. I just wish I was enough to have been with him. There was nothing I wouldn't have done for him and I think I will struggle forever to understand why that wasn't enough.

I've joined a weight loss group now as I worry everyday that this caused what happened. I've only joined a week ago and only lost 1 pound but the girl said that is normal. Just in a bit of a funk today. I saw him again the other day and once again, nice as pie. I feel like screaming at him some days 'All this! All this love, devotion, you won't get it anywhere else so why was it not enough??? Why am I not enough??' Because each time lately that he has seen me, the awful man isn't there and the nice one has reappeared.

Anyway, sorry.

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Itsalittlewetout · 13/08/2025 12:02

YourBrickTiger · 13/08/2025 11:40

Thank you for saying that. I just wish I was enough to have been with him. There was nothing I wouldn't have done for him and I think I will struggle forever to understand why that wasn't enough.

I've joined a weight loss group now as I worry everyday that this caused what happened. I've only joined a week ago and only lost 1 pound but the girl said that is normal. Just in a bit of a funk today. I saw him again the other day and once again, nice as pie. I feel like screaming at him some days 'All this! All this love, devotion, you won't get it anywhere else so why was it not enough??? Why am I not enough??' Because each time lately that he has seen me, the awful man isn't there and the nice one has reappeared.

Anyway, sorry.

Oh dear. You need to get to grips with this thought “I wish I was enough”. With a man like this, sounds like a classic narc no one is enough. They get off on the game, on you making him special, you doing the humiliating pick me dance. He will never pick you, he failed to pick his 2 ex wives or his kids so why would you be any different. He’s not the man you think he is. You will always be enough for the right people without having to do anything. It’s about who and what you surround yourself with that will change your life. My dear he was never enough for you!

Sunflowers67 · 13/08/2025 12:09

I am so sorry that your self esteem has been shot to pieces by this piece of work. By thinking you could have been better in some way to keep hold of him is just so sad. I guarantee that had you looked like a supermodel he would have been the same.
You are a beautiful person inside and out and he is one ugly MF inside and out. No amount of self improvement will ever change that for him. He is inherently damaged through and through.

It makes me so angry that these types of men do that to us.

Great news on joining a slimming club - try and do it for you though, not to attract him or to prove something to him. Do it for the health benefits, do it the outing, do it for meeting people and yes, do it for vanity reasons - but do it for you! I'm thinking of going myself - but only because I'd like to get out the house a bit more of an evening and meet new people. I could do with losing a few pounds (okay, probably more than a few) but my main reasons are definitely not to impress him in any shape or form.

I'm perfect as I am and so are you xx

ArsenicAlice · 13/08/2025 12:29

I just wish I was enough to have been with him. There was nothing I wouldn't have done for him and I think I will struggle forever to understand why that wasn't enough.

After 19 pages of discussion, surely it should have registered by now that HE IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE WITH YOU, IT IS NOT YOU @YourBrickTiger - until you really keep telling yourself this until it sinks in, you will be going round and round in circles.

It's nuts that you are questioning why you are not enough for a man who:

is a drug addict
is an abuser
is racist
is a sex pest and a misogynist
is a liar and a dissembler
is sexually inappropriate at work to women in actions and comments "He also (when I worked there) and got a new car said to a 25 year old 'do you want to come and see the semen stains in my car?"
is unprofessional at work in general
said that the women he had been with ALL said that he had 'the nicest penis they had ever seen' (I think he's fibbing!)
has a history of domestic issues such that his kids don't want to know him and both wives kicked him out
blamed both his wives for problems and failed to take responsibility
gets his todger out in the office
masturbated in one of the offices one day
told you that "I was coked up. Don’t get me wrong - your pictures were nice to have a wank over…"
told you that was only with you cos I was horny and on coke
"said in the workplace 'oh I'd give her one!' and started doing the actions"
should have been fired a very long time ago
IS A RAPIST

Looks horrific doesn't it, all listed down? And I am sure I have missed things out. Can you not see the common denominator here is not you? IT'S HIM. You are not obliged to fix him. He would be spending money on drugs - would you want that?

Please ask yourself why you would want a man with those qualities? Just as reflection and for moving forwards. Would you be proud to have a man like that as your partner, and introduce him to friends and family? This is not having a go at you, it's to help you think and reflect.

Can you imagine what being married to him would be like? You would be in absolute hell.

Because each time lately that he has seen me, the awful man isn't there and the nice one has reappeared.
No no no no no!!! People have said repeatedly that there is no "nice one" - that was a part this guy played.

It will be so useful to talk this over in therapy. YOU ARE WORTH MORE!

PS: I am a size 16/18. Nothing wrong with it - and nothing wrong with you except a tendency to blame yourself for others' issues.

Bittenonce · 13/08/2025 13:34

Sunflowers67 · 13/08/2025 12:09

I am so sorry that your self esteem has been shot to pieces by this piece of work. By thinking you could have been better in some way to keep hold of him is just so sad. I guarantee that had you looked like a supermodel he would have been the same.
You are a beautiful person inside and out and he is one ugly MF inside and out. No amount of self improvement will ever change that for him. He is inherently damaged through and through.

It makes me so angry that these types of men do that to us.

Great news on joining a slimming club - try and do it for you though, not to attract him or to prove something to him. Do it for the health benefits, do it the outing, do it for meeting people and yes, do it for vanity reasons - but do it for you! I'm thinking of going myself - but only because I'd like to get out the house a bit more of an evening and meet new people. I could do with losing a few pounds (okay, probably more than a few) but my main reasons are definitely not to impress him in any shape or form.

I'm perfect as I am and so are you xx

I was going to write this! But you said it all, and probably better than I would have done!

Lmnop22 · 13/08/2025 14:04

YourBrickTiger · 13/08/2025 11:40

Thank you for saying that. I just wish I was enough to have been with him. There was nothing I wouldn't have done for him and I think I will struggle forever to understand why that wasn't enough.

I've joined a weight loss group now as I worry everyday that this caused what happened. I've only joined a week ago and only lost 1 pound but the girl said that is normal. Just in a bit of a funk today. I saw him again the other day and once again, nice as pie. I feel like screaming at him some days 'All this! All this love, devotion, you won't get it anywhere else so why was it not enough??? Why am I not enough??' Because each time lately that he has seen me, the awful man isn't there and the nice one has reappeared.

Anyway, sorry.

Please remember that you’ll never ever be “enough” for someone who isn’t coming from a genuine place and is manipulating you, because nothing would be “enough” for them. No matter what you looked like, what you said, how you acted, you can never win with a narcissist abuser!

For someone genuinely wanting to form a connection, you are absolutely enough!

This dickhead is the one who isn’t good enough for you OP

YourBrickTiger · 13/08/2025 15:23

Lmnop22 · 13/08/2025 14:04

Please remember that you’ll never ever be “enough” for someone who isn’t coming from a genuine place and is manipulating you, because nothing would be “enough” for them. No matter what you looked like, what you said, how you acted, you can never win with a narcissist abuser!

For someone genuinely wanting to form a connection, you are absolutely enough!

This dickhead is the one who isn’t good enough for you OP

Thank you. Do you mind if I ask you and @ArsenicAlice something? Sorry this will be hard to explain but I will do my best.

How do I know that this is his character and not just because he was using me specifically? The words 'you will always be enough for the right person' really confuse me - I can't explain why - but it is like hearing 'You weren't right for him, but he might not abuse someone else'. Like if he was MARRIED to me he'd be like this but wouldn't be like it if he was married to someone else.

Is that why you refer to him as a narcissistic abuser? Because they DO not change based on who they are with and that THIS IS their character?

Yes as a result of this I have no self esteem left. All I wanted was that genuine connection, I truly loved him. But he's made me feel that that is wrong.

The list is horrific @ArsenicAlice - but I thought I could help him that's why I feel not enough because no amount of love or loyalty or understanding made him stay and I am frightened that it's because of a quality that I don't posess that he chooses to 'stay' in 'that list'. I do not know why, nor can I explain why I think he'd be different if only I was more sophisticated, skinnier, richer etc. I don't even know HOW to articulate that to the therapist. And the ruminating and overthinking that everyone else sees him as Mr Wonderful are rife today. I think again it's because I'm here by myself with no reassurance and he has the team. I have it in my head there is a huge conspiracy going on but again it could be just my damaged self esteem and overthinking.

I hope I've explained that ok and please be patient if you do answer. I had been doing ok but today I just feel so sad.

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ArsenicAlice · 13/08/2025 15:36

No @YourBrickTiger nobody can change him because he's hardwired that way. That is him. If you do explain it to the therapist just say what you said above:

I thought I could help him that's why I feel not enough because no amount of love or loyalty or understanding made him stay and I am frightened that it's because of a quality that I don't possess that he chooses to 'stay' in 'that list'. I do not know why, nor can I explain why I think he'd be different if only I was more sophisticated, skinnier, richer etc. I don't even know HOW to articulate that to the therapist.

They are experienced and will know what you mean by that.

How can anyone see him as Mr Wonderful when he has done those things to other people, waving his willy around in the office, making filthy comments etc - those people will think he is the same as I think he is. A total waste of oxygen.

YourBrickTiger · 13/08/2025 16:18

ArsenicAlice · 13/08/2025 15:36

No @YourBrickTiger nobody can change him because he's hardwired that way. That is him. If you do explain it to the therapist just say what you said above:

I thought I could help him that's why I feel not enough because no amount of love or loyalty or understanding made him stay and I am frightened that it's because of a quality that I don't possess that he chooses to 'stay' in 'that list'. I do not know why, nor can I explain why I think he'd be different if only I was more sophisticated, skinnier, richer etc. I don't even know HOW to articulate that to the therapist.

They are experienced and will know what you mean by that.

How can anyone see him as Mr Wonderful when he has done those things to other people, waving his willy around in the office, making filthy comments etc - those people will think he is the same as I think he is. A total waste of oxygen.

Thank you for your patience. I think a lot of it goes back to it all being swept under the carpet. He also has a less than favourable nickname which is well known and that of a high profile sex offender. Again, nothing is said. So that's what makes me think it isn't an issue.

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Lmnop22 · 13/08/2025 16:26

YourBrickTiger · 13/08/2025 15:23

Thank you. Do you mind if I ask you and @ArsenicAlice something? Sorry this will be hard to explain but I will do my best.

How do I know that this is his character and not just because he was using me specifically? The words 'you will always be enough for the right person' really confuse me - I can't explain why - but it is like hearing 'You weren't right for him, but he might not abuse someone else'. Like if he was MARRIED to me he'd be like this but wouldn't be like it if he was married to someone else.

Is that why you refer to him as a narcissistic abuser? Because they DO not change based on who they are with and that THIS IS their character?

Yes as a result of this I have no self esteem left. All I wanted was that genuine connection, I truly loved him. But he's made me feel that that is wrong.

The list is horrific @ArsenicAlice - but I thought I could help him that's why I feel not enough because no amount of love or loyalty or understanding made him stay and I am frightened that it's because of a quality that I don't posess that he chooses to 'stay' in 'that list'. I do not know why, nor can I explain why I think he'd be different if only I was more sophisticated, skinnier, richer etc. I don't even know HOW to articulate that to the therapist. And the ruminating and overthinking that everyone else sees him as Mr Wonderful are rife today. I think again it's because I'm here by myself with no reassurance and he has the team. I have it in my head there is a huge conspiracy going on but again it could be just my damaged self esteem and overthinking.

I hope I've explained that ok and please be patient if you do answer. I had been doing ok but today I just feel so sad.

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You know this is his character because nice people who do not want to pursue a relationship with someone do not lead them on, date them on and off, ignore them sometimes, fuel workplace gossip calling them stalkers when they were genuinely pursuing a connection and responding to mixed signals with understandable confusion and make them feel like you do now.

What I mean by you being enough for the right person is that you are not the reason why this turned out the way it did - he is. You could not have made this end differently by looking or acting differently because he was set on his course to use you. You have every quality someone could want in a partner and someone who is genuinely looking for a partner will see and appreciate that - this man is not that person but that’s on HIM.

YourBrickTiger · 13/08/2025 17:54

I think what is so hard is he is the ONLY man I’ve trusted or felt comfortable with since 2010. And he knew that.

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TheAverageJoanne · 13/08/2025 18:43

YourBrickTiger · 13/08/2025 17:54

I think what is so hard is he is the ONLY man I’ve trusted or felt comfortable with since 2010. And he knew that.

It's really not a good idea to disclose prior abusive relationships, as if you've unwittingly started seeing an abusive person (which you won't know at the outset) it makes it easier for them to mess with your head.

That's not a telling off by the way, just info for the future.

Itsalittlewetout · 13/08/2025 19:58

YourBrickTiger · 13/08/2025 17:54

I think what is so hard is he is the ONLY man I’ve trusted or felt comfortable with since 2010. And he knew that.

Well he’s shown you who he is so that’s that. People will show you who you are, that’s how it works and we have to evaluate whether this person has potential. You seem to be internalising it an awful lot and reflecting it back on yourself. It’s not you, it’s just life. So he isn’t behaving particularly nicely, why are you racking your own brain. If a snake bit you would you spend all this time finding out what you did wrong for it to bite or would you just get away. He isn’t nice full stop. So you told him stuff, so what, so you told him your dreams, so what. It’s not life or death that he has to be the one. He listened and used it to string you along as he liked the way you made him feel. He’s dick, chalk it up, learn and move on.

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 09:20

Itsalittlewetout · 13/08/2025 19:58

Well he’s shown you who he is so that’s that. People will show you who you are, that’s how it works and we have to evaluate whether this person has potential. You seem to be internalising it an awful lot and reflecting it back on yourself. It’s not you, it’s just life. So he isn’t behaving particularly nicely, why are you racking your own brain. If a snake bit you would you spend all this time finding out what you did wrong for it to bite or would you just get away. He isn’t nice full stop. So you told him stuff, so what, so you told him your dreams, so what. It’s not life or death that he has to be the one. He listened and used it to string you along as he liked the way you made him feel. He’s dick, chalk it up, learn and move on.

Thank you but to me he was the One. I have had feelings for the man I thought he was for YEARS. It's not as easy as just 'moving on'. This whole thing has wrecked me and I'm completely stuck. I do appreciate your thoughts though and in a 'normal' situation that would work. I'm having to adapt now to a man I THOUGHT I knew, to realising I never knew him at all. It's killing me.

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Itsalittlewetout · 14/08/2025 09:33

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 09:20

Thank you but to me he was the One. I have had feelings for the man I thought he was for YEARS. It's not as easy as just 'moving on'. This whole thing has wrecked me and I'm completely stuck. I do appreciate your thoughts though and in a 'normal' situation that would work. I'm having to adapt now to a man I THOUGHT I knew, to realising I never knew him at all. It's killing me.

I would work on the obsessive thoughts. He has taken up a huge amount of your headspace from a far for a long time. You seem to have projected all of your thoughts onto him for many years in the hope he’d be the one. The one is someone who has earned your headspace by acting in a way that deserves it. Someone who has your back and makes you safe and is consistent. There isn’t a single thing I’ve read where he’s been any of these. It’s a very addictive type
of relationship where you get stuck on the highs and lows.

YourBrickTiger · 14/08/2025 09:49

Itsalittlewetout · 14/08/2025 09:33

I would work on the obsessive thoughts. He has taken up a huge amount of your headspace from a far for a long time. You seem to have projected all of your thoughts onto him for many years in the hope he’d be the one. The one is someone who has earned your headspace by acting in a way that deserves it. Someone who has your back and makes you safe and is consistent. There isn’t a single thing I’ve read where he’s been any of these. It’s a very addictive type
of relationship where you get stuck on the highs and lows.

I was all those things to him. He knew it. He told people, including his family that he thought I was The One. That's why I'm struggling - the complete detachment so quickly and the abuse that followed afterwards.

That's why I left my job so I didn't have to see him as often. Hopefully the counselling can help with the thoughts and my self esteem because I just feel SOMETHING about me must have made him do this. I had his back, cared deeply, defended him to others, did all the things a girlfriend is supposed to do and the cruelty that followed, not knowing what he told his family - even the thought of his family thinking I would ever hurt him - is just something I struggle with every day. It's really horrible.

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