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Is this financial abuse?

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wellwellwell39 · 21/06/2025 17:12

Looking for some perspective and hoping to show this to my fiance.

He earns over 80k working full time and long hours, he works away mon-friday, back home every weekend. Take home pay is around 3,100 or thereabouts. He works incredibly hard for this.

I work 3 days a week in a decent job but it's not well paid, take home pay is about 1200 every month.
I get child maintenance from exp, was 300 a month but now it's going to be slashed to about 150.
Child benefit comes to me every week on top of that.

When we met, we were both 31 and both had one child each. We got engaged a year after meeting and made the choice to have a 3rd child between us before getting married. We had hoped to be married a while ago but life with 3 kids has gotten in the way and has gone to the bottom of the priority list sadly.

When we met, I rented, OH owned his home. I had no debt, OH had a huge amount (mostly due to his divorce and ongoing court proceedings as his exp was trying to stop contact with his DC 🙄) but he has no debt now.

9 years later, blended family is for the most part pretty good. All 3 kids adore each other and get on very well and love being together.

His exp is no longer an issue but my exp is always causing issues with child maintenance amongst other things so that does being a decent amount of stress into the relationship, but so does finances.

I will be the first to admit that due to not having any financial awareness when growing up, not having any adults to talk to about finances and discuss these type of issues as a young person leaving home, and not having any decent role models full stop, I am not particularly money savvy. In the past I have also been a very impulsive shopper and if I felt I needed it, I would buy, then would worry about it later. Now at almost 40 I of course regret that as I have zero savings and about 10k of credit card debt, I'm completely ashamed actually and beat myself up a lot about this, however a lot of this was accrued from needing to put diesel in car, buy birthday or Xmas gifts for the kids or buy food as money was so short on more than a few occasions.

OH puts in 1300 to the joint account. I put in around 800. With my bills including phone, debt repayments, DC's clubs (I pay some and OH pays some) then I'm usually left with around £100 -150 disposable income.

Over the years I've felt very frustrated about this set up. I believe it makes much more sense to pool all income, pay off bills and with whatever is left that covers kids clubs, savings then we both decide how much disposable income we want to take from what's left over. OH has always been dead set against this.

We're lucky to have a lovely 4bed detached (which I of course couldn't afford on my wage alone) but as OH's career has taken off especially in the last 5 years, I'm becoming pretty resentful as I can't work full time. There is no after school care provision in my area thanks to covid and grandparents can't help much.

OH is very careful with his money and always has been, something I admire and wish I had been able to be over the years . He sees me getting into debt as my own fault and not his issue. He often says, it's not my fault you chose this career, I shouldn't have to suffer because of your choices. I can see why he wants to ring fence his money, his eldest DC will need support with buying a home probably in around 10-15 years time or so, this is very important to him and I appreciate that. But he now says I need to put more in to the pot, I've explained I can't, he replies work full time then, which is easier said than done.

His outgoings are no where near as significant as mine, although he pays about 200 in CM and pays for his own food when away mon-fri and had his own bills too, and to be fair he does all the DIY I the house and pays for all of this. Eg. Any issues with the car he pays for it, re-tiled the bathroom and put a new shower in, he paid for it. Lots of things like this which I would struggle to contribute to, but he does say to me ' look at everything I do for this family, I pay for x,y,z'

So again I'm made to feel bad because I cant/don't contribute to these things.

The latest is he's saying the amount I contribute doesn't even cover myself, let alone my DC and I need to put in more because he's paying 'twice'. He believes he pays for his child when at her mum's, as well as my child, also believes he pays 'twice' for food as the money he puts into the joint account goes towards food then he pays for his own midweek.

What's got to me is that he's announced we now need to put diesel in the car from our own disposable income. We've always paid for that through the joint account but as my job now involves me driving when at work (and I claim mileage which is minimal and this is paid to me) he announced he will not be paying for 'my employers name' too! And he's fed up paying for EVERYTHING

I get where he is coming from so I'm happy to put the difference into the joint account going forward but this leaves me with even less disposable income.

I very much live pay check to pay check, I have a lot of nieces and nephews who have birthdays etc through the year and although it's a modest amount of spend, things like this plus kids friends parties etc all add up and often I'm in my overdraft.

It all feels very much like we're flatmates at times, and a bit like him vs me instead of a solid family unit doing life and hard things together.

I think he resents me as he sees me being at home 2x days a week but it's hard work keeping a family of 5 going all the time and my days off are absolutely not days off. Thanks for getting this far, please let me know your thoughts 🙏

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wellwellwell39 · 21/06/2025 17:15

I forgot to add that now my child maintenance will be halved, I'm desperately looking g for a second job, would rather not of course and working extra midweek isn't an option so will have to be bar work likely. I honestly feel exhausted with everything I do already but won't have OH telling me I'm not even covering me and my DC so needs must.

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puffylovett1 · 21/06/2025 17:20

I think I’d be responding with the fact that you cannot afford to contribute any more than you currently do for now.
and then I’d be informing him he’d be cooking his own meals at the weekend, sorting out half of his childrens pick ups and drop offs from school and oh by the way he will also now be doing half of the cleaning and laundry. And all of the bedtimes and weekend childcare as you now have to look for an second job to try and find a way to contribute more.
he sounds insufferable to be honest

Sthoremouse · 21/06/2025 17:21

You need to find a better paying job and contribute more. Your DH shouldn't be taking on not only 90% of the financial pressures but also the majority of the household tasks.

Do better OP.

CluelessAboutBiology · 21/06/2025 17:22

If he’s on £80k a year, he should be taking home more than £3,100

Octoberdreaming · 21/06/2025 17:24

CluelessAboutBiology · 21/06/2025 17:22

If he’s on £80k a year, he should be taking home more than £3,100

I thought this - unless he puts lots into pension?

puffylovett1 · 21/06/2025 17:30

Sthoremouse · 21/06/2025 17:21

You need to find a better paying job and contribute more. Your DH shouldn't be taking on not only 90% of the financial pressures but also the majority of the household tasks.

Do better OP.

How is he taking on 90% if he puts in £1300 and she puts in £800?
she doesn’t say what her wage is, but surely they should both be putting in the same % of wage to all the joint household running costs at the very least and the above figures don’t sound like that given the amount he’s on and her wage description.

Scissor · 21/06/2025 17:36

Salary calculator puts an £80k income as a take home of 4700
1600 a month into a pension is a lot but he may be ??

Eastendboysandwestendgirls · 21/06/2025 17:38

Agree with pps re his take home being a lot higher than you think. And unless you have his child most of the time, he doesn't pay much CM.
He sounds very tight. He made the choice to be with someone who had a child and much less money, so he shouldn't punish you for this, which he is.

thatsawhopperthatlemon · 21/06/2025 17:41

In answer to your question op - yes. This is financial abuse. You are a couple, each with your own dc, and now a joint one as well.

Your income is much lower than his, to the point that you have ended up in considerable debt. You are contributing a huge proportion of your income (all of it, and more) whereas he pays relatively little. And now he is expecting you to pay even more. What with - shirt buttons?

DancingNotDrowning · 21/06/2025 17:43

Sthoremouse · 21/06/2025 17:21

You need to find a better paying job and contribute more. Your DH shouldn't be taking on not only 90% of the financial pressures but also the majority of the household tasks.

Do better OP.

Don’t be absurd, she’s responsible for childcare and running the home.

when her DH takes half the responsibility for the childcare that prevents OP from working longer hours then maybe he has a point but until then he needs to pull his weight or at least ensure OP has enough money to put diesel in the car.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/06/2025 17:43

I'm not sure what's going on. For a start, if you're living in his house, it's right he pays for DIY and refurbishment.

Second, you need to take responsibility for your spending. Contact the National Debt line about your debts and do a course in financial management. There are plenty which are free online.

Third,he's right about petrol. If you get petrol allowance from work, why do you expect him to pay as well?

Why can't you work full time? There will be nurseries near you and your partner needs to pay towards childcare for his own child.

You're in a very vulnerable position OP, so work towards alleviating that.

Eric1964 · 21/06/2025 17:46

Look, I doubt my perspective will be of much use but wtf. In my 20-odd years of married life, if my wife every says something like, "Well, if you pay for this, I'll send you some money," I say, without fail, "There is no 'my money' and 'your money'. There is only our money." In terms of finance, the pendulum has swung in our relationship; when we met, I wasn't on a particularly high salary (teacher), she was, she had equity from a flat, I had next to fck all from a previous relationship. However, shortly after marrying, she gave up her high-paying career (with my full support) so I've been the primary earner since. But - so fcking what? What am I going to do? Penny-pinch when dealing with my most beloved? Fck that.

There. That's probably no use to you at all.

wellwellwell39 · 21/06/2025 17:49

He doesn't like discussing finances and is very cagey about it. But when I asked to see his income he dod show me his most recent wage which was about 3,100. He's heavily taxed (we're in Scotland and taxes are slightly higher I'm sure).

My income is 29k pro rata and take home pay every month is around 1200

His input to joint finances leaves him with well over 1600 or 1700 to spend as he wishes (minus phone bill and subscriptions) whereas when I put my share in I'm left with very little, this is where I feel very annoyed.

We haven't booked a summer holiday yet and schools break up in Friday. He doesn't want to pay for it all, we'll end up going camping which is fine and I usually enjoy that as I'm extremely outdoorsy but it would be lovely to work together on saving across the year.

It's really frustrating as he works hard and has done for years. Feels like at almost 40 has nothing to show for it. But I feel the same and have barely anything to spend.

I did have a second job teaching fitness classes on an ad hoc basis so the money wasn't guaranteed every month, but that employer recently lost all funding so this isn't an option anymore and would need to travel outwith my local area if I wanted to do this elsewhere.

Life is so very hard, and I don't know who is right or wrong, or is it just very nuanced.

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BellissimoGecko · 21/06/2025 17:50

CluelessAboutBiology · 21/06/2025 17:22

If he’s on £80k a year, he should be taking home more than £3,100

This

Eric1964 · 21/06/2025 17:51

His job is to provide for the family.

BellissimoGecko · 21/06/2025 17:52

And this is why you should get married before having a dc together.

He’s a mean bugger.

puffylovett1 · 21/06/2025 17:52

wellwellwell39 · 21/06/2025 17:49

He doesn't like discussing finances and is very cagey about it. But when I asked to see his income he dod show me his most recent wage which was about 3,100. He's heavily taxed (we're in Scotland and taxes are slightly higher I'm sure).

My income is 29k pro rata and take home pay every month is around 1200

His input to joint finances leaves him with well over 1600 or 1700 to spend as he wishes (minus phone bill and subscriptions) whereas when I put my share in I'm left with very little, this is where I feel very annoyed.

We haven't booked a summer holiday yet and schools break up in Friday. He doesn't want to pay for it all, we'll end up going camping which is fine and I usually enjoy that as I'm extremely outdoorsy but it would be lovely to work together on saving across the year.

It's really frustrating as he works hard and has done for years. Feels like at almost 40 has nothing to show for it. But I feel the same and have barely anything to spend.

I did have a second job teaching fitness classes on an ad hoc basis so the money wasn't guaranteed every month, but that employer recently lost all funding so this isn't an option anymore and would need to travel outwith my local area if I wanted to do this elsewhere.

Life is so very hard, and I don't know who is right or wrong, or is it just very nuanced.

On those take home wages with an equal percentage contribution to the joint finances of 2k, you should only be contributing about £450.

Viviennemary · 21/06/2025 17:55

You are a self confessed spendthrift in a lot of debt. You enjoy a nice life you couldn't afford on your own. Sorry no sympathy.

Summerhillsquare · 21/06/2025 17:55

Sthoremouse · 21/06/2025 17:21

You need to find a better paying job and contribute more. Your DH shouldn't be taking on not only 90% of the financial pressures but also the majority of the household tasks.

Do better OP.

Oh hello op's partner!

BellissimoGecko · 21/06/2025 17:57

You should be paying bills etc in proportion to what you earn, so you have a similar amount left offer to sites each month.

You are doing all the parenting Monday to Friday and he does nothing, yet you don’t have anything financial to show for it, and he doesn’t seem to value your contribution.

He sounds like a mean, selfish prick.

Minnie798 · 21/06/2025 17:59

It's a bit confusing.
Is the house in his name only, if so of course he'd be paying for all diy and costs associated with it himself.
Why are your outgoings significantly more than his. He's paying more into the joint account, has been paying for fuel, food for the home and then his own food while he is working away, plus child maintenance. His costs must be higher than yours. Do you mean as a percentage of total income.
If you are receiving a fuel allowance from work, that should be used to put fuel in the car.
He will be paying the child benefit back due to his earnings, so that would need deducted from his total 'income'.
I think having children that are not shared complicates matters. Some people don't expect to fund children that aren't theirs, there are already two parents to do this.
I don't think it is financial abuse but I do think he is being unrealistic about how far your salary can go. Can you not sit down together and go through all income, outgoings etc and reach an agreement which sees you having more disposable income than you currently do.

wellwellwell39 · 21/06/2025 18:00

A few weeks ago OH mentioned that I am benefitting from being with him, as I didn't own my home when we met. I can't help but feel he's very much focusing on where he benefits from being with me (financially) and has decided he doesn't so is piling on the pressure that I work full time.

I can't remember who asked but DC are all at school and youngest is 5. There is zero after school childcare provision in our town, and only one childminder locally who can collect from DC's school but they are currently full so it's very difficult. (I know a lot childminders gave it up and found jobs elsewhere during covid)

I would like to work an extra day or two but it's not as easy, plus I need to work fairly close to kids school which limits things too

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AmpleBrickWriter · 21/06/2025 18:00

Hi so it sounds like maybe you both need to have guidence and p roffessional help.Here in the UK we have charities like Citizen,s Advice Bureau and similiar charities where you are that you could BOTH get proper advice and support.By reading what you have written it seems that maybe you and your husband are in a different worlds and i feel that maybe go and see a good charity that could help you both work towards a workable budget plan.Sometimes having and getting help is far better that struggling in your different worlds.Also what struck me was a lack of visible support.I think that doing something sensible with a work plan and an easy goal and breaking the problem down into easy to work goals might help.I wish you luck.

BellissimoGecko · 21/06/2025 18:00

Sthoremouse · 21/06/2025 17:21

You need to find a better paying job and contribute more. Your DH shouldn't be taking on not only 90% of the financial pressures but also the majority of the household tasks.

Do better OP.

How do you work that out? He isn’t even at home Monday to Friday, so how can he do anything then? The OP does it all.

Do better.

wellwellwell39 · 21/06/2025 18:00

The house is in both our names

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