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I don't know how much longer I can parent my young adult DD

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 13:58

My DD is 18. I want to preface my post by saying that I love her. I want the best for her. She's talented and smart and funny. She's aspirational and interested in the world.

Life with my DD is unbearable most days. She's always been somewhat tricky , has control issues I would say, doesn't always connect well with other young people but does have a few close friends. She is a glass half empty sort of kid and while It's been hard at times , we stayed close and muddled through.

Fast forward to now and she's been studying hard A levels for the last two years. She has crashed and burned so badly that I do not recognise her.
She cannot tolerate even the smallest of requests from me , and I mean tiny ones like 'pick up your cup off the floor'. She is verbally abusive, says dreadful things about the kind of parent I am, and quotes long diatribes about being a toxic parent / she's going to go no contact when she's financially independent/hopes I rot in loneliness when I'm older.

It's just the two of us. Has been for a long time. She does see her Dad occasionally but he's a let-down on all fronts. She runs when he calls though, and I know that deep down so many of her issues are connected to him. Some days my life feels unbearable because for the last 2 years, I can't recall a single act of kindness that she has extended to me. She snarls when I speak, has taken to physically pushing me out of her way if I try to insist on a conversation, tells me to piss off/get out/ etc. my DD lives in squalor in her bedroom, I'm ashamed to say that it's so bad that it smells the entire upstairs. I tell her not to eat up there but she pushes past me and puts her headphones on to block me out. She is clean in herself but sometimes wears dirty clothes because she won't put them in the laundry basket but also won't let me in her room to take them out. She hardly leaves the house so entering her room anyway is not as easy as you'd think. She will physically push me out if I enter. Many, many times I've resorted to telling her that I cannot have her live here and act like this and she just snarls and says she won't be going anywhere.

My DD only interacts me to ask for lifts money or something else. She is escalating every week. There isn't a shred of her former kind self I can connect with , no matter how hard I try. I dream of selling my house and moving to a one bed flat that she can't come to. Believe me when I say that I feel like the mother she says I am, when I think this way.

I've tried to get her counselling. She won't go. She isn't going to university either. She does say she will get a job soon so that's something. I feel desperate most days

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SatsumaDog · 21/06/2025 16:03

She sounds absolutely awful. If she were mine I would be telling her she had a week to change her ways or she will have to move out. She’s 18 and I wouldn’t have an 18yo behaving like that towards me in my own home. Tbh if she said those things to me I would have no problem closing the door on her and never seeing her again.

Let her father take over and put up with her abuse.

TheGander · 21/06/2025 16:03

I think TrainGame makes many excellent points. She sounds like my brother at the same age. At the grand old age of 55 he has been diagnosed with autism. I think
my father was on the spectrum too. My only other piece of advice is don’t let shame paralyse you . Family therapy/ an autism assessment might help here. See the GP as a 1st port of call. Believe me, there are many young people stuck in their bedrooms with minimal communication and GPs will not be judgemental. In the meantime do you have a mate who can help you tackle her bedroom? She might be less inclined to threaten you if there’s another adult to back you up.

Moonlightdust · 21/06/2025 16:04

It does sound like an autistic burnout as I have experience in. Have you ever thought she may neurodivergent or to get her assessed? Girls in particular mask heavily. It sounds like the result of working hard for A levels has contributed to the burnout. Shut down, lack of self care, being aggressive and struggling to leave the house are all signs. There are supportive groups you can reach out to OP - you are likely to get more help and advice from there.

VIOLETPUGH · 21/06/2025 16:05

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/06/2025 14:02

She sounds autistic?

NO she doesn't; what an insult to autistic people. She sounds like a nasty foul girl, with no respect for her mother, but on the other hand mother is allowing her to do this. She is 18yrs old and this domestic abuse as per the law. Grow some op and stop allowing this young adult to abuse you like this

Velmy · 21/06/2025 16:07

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/06/2025 14:02

She sounds autistic?

Fucking hell, first reply 🙃

She sounds like an ungrateful little shit. Unfortunately that's unlikely to change while you're facilitating it.

So...no lifts. No money. No phone contract. No wifi. Next time she goes out, bin bag all the crap in her room and let her know that moving forward, that's what will happen to everything that's left out, whether its a sock or her phone.

Give her a list of chores/behaviors you expect in order to earn the above privileges back.

Let her know that as an adult, she'll now be expected to pay rent, so it's job time.

And if she doesn't like it...she can leave. All you are required to do is give 'reasonable notice'. 'Reasonable' isn't clearly defined, so a month, a week or even less, depending on your circumstances. Make sure you give her a letter to take to the local authority - she'll need to evidence that she's been made homeless if she wants help with housing, as opposed to having left of her own accord.

You can change the locks when she's out. If she physically refuses to leave, call the police the next time she puts her hands on you and have them remove her.

None of this will be easy, and you'll no doubt have to deal with everything from anger to tears and the inevitable emotional blackmail, but it will solve your problem.

Long term, she'll realize that fending for herself or life with her deadbeat dad isn't all it's cracked up to be. Hopefully that will give her a bit of insight and maturity and you'll be able to fix your relationship down the line.

The issue with people like this is that they think they're untouchable. She's effectively abusing you, and you're still giving her lifts and money. She's got no reason to believe that you'll ever follow through with anything you say. If you want things to change, and you want to do what's best for your daughter, you need to draw a line in the sand and stick to it.

TrainGame · 21/06/2025 16:09

https://www.amazon.co.uk/What-Did-Wrong-Accessible-Misunderstandings/dp/B0CHL7DJ2J/ref=asc_df_B0CHL7DJ2J?mcid=72b7f28bb47636709fbc1e9a85d2cdea&th=1&psc=1&hvocijid=16987774637920965690-B0CHL7DJ2J-&hvexpln=74&tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=696285193871&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16987774637920965690&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045909&hvtargid=pla-2281435176858&psc=1&gad_source=1

Maybe this one? If she's autistic OP, which I'm almost certain she is, then there's a lot of catching up to do.

I also always sign post people like you to Spectrumy on Facebook who has quarter of a million followers who goes through what it's like to be an autistic woman in the UK with young children who are also autistic.

https://www.facebook.com/p/Spectrumy-100044510616450/

She's well worth reading through some of her posts and thoughts on life and how hard things are for her.

It's great, even for neurotypicals. Great insight into what it's like to be autistic.

Auroraofthedawn · 21/06/2025 16:09

It sounds like she is autistic with a PDA profile, check out some fb groups for parents and I bet you will recognise your daughter on there. She sounds like she’s been in burnout. It’s so hard OP, my son was really hard to live with until I figured he had PDA. Do you have audible? Check out the abridged version of The Explosive Child it’s brilliant and will help. Look at the PDA society too, and a low demand approach and language strategies.

Moonlightdust · 21/06/2025 16:10

Auroraofthedawn · 21/06/2025 16:09

It sounds like she is autistic with a PDA profile, check out some fb groups for parents and I bet you will recognise your daughter on there. She sounds like she’s been in burnout. It’s so hard OP, my son was really hard to live with until I figured he had PDA. Do you have audible? Check out the abridged version of The Explosive Child it’s brilliant and will help. Look at the PDA society too, and a low demand approach and language strategies.

Yep. I have a PDA son in severe burnout. It’s awful.

TrainGame · 21/06/2025 16:10

Auroraofthedawn · 21/06/2025 16:09

It sounds like she is autistic with a PDA profile, check out some fb groups for parents and I bet you will recognise your daughter on there. She sounds like she’s been in burnout. It’s so hard OP, my son was really hard to live with until I figured he had PDA. Do you have audible? Check out the abridged version of The Explosive Child it’s brilliant and will help. Look at the PDA society too, and a low demand approach and language strategies.

That was the first book I posted on Amazon for OP up above, bit further up thread :)

PermanentTemporary · 21/06/2025 16:12

I’ve only raised one teenager so not that much experience.

Tbh I wonder who you have to support you - sibling, other relatives, friends? I would start bringing other people to the house to cheer yourself up. Have normal times, cups of tea in the kitchen, talk about life, invite people round to watch a film. Stop focusing on this terrible spiral between you, get yourself some nice times in the house so that it’s not all about the two of you. I hope also that she will see a bit of normality, perhaps will regulate herself a little in front of other people. She is too young to be everything in your world in this way and too young to fix the situation from scratch herself.

Confuuzed · 21/06/2025 16:13

I mean yeah, let's just assume that this girl is just an unpleasant piece of shit. That's obviously far easier than thinking of other explanations. Or you could spend about 0.1 second thinking about the fact that nobody would choose to behave like this and maybe, just maybe there is something going on behind it.

If the op goes on just believing that her daughter is a nasty bad person then nothing will change. That's a very defeatist position to take and condemns her to eventually losing her relationship with her daughter entirely.

People suggesting autism and other related profiles might just end up pointing her in a direction that will change everything for the better. Those suggestions often come from people who have experienced this particular type of autism or neurodivergency (like me. Me and my kids are autistic and PDA. How else do you think i recognize it?) If her daughter is not autistic, and she is just an evil person, then nothing has been lost by op spending half an hour looking at the autistic society or the PDA society website. On the other hand, if it's possible that she is autistic with a PDA profile, it could change everything. Clearly this behavior isn't "normal". So rather than telling her to kick her 18yo out (to go where?!) at least those suggesting autism are trying to be helpful.

AtIusvue · 21/06/2025 16:13

So agree with other posters about Autism, AdHD,PDA etc

Trouble is she’s now 18 and it’s really hard to engage an adult with GPs, calming techniques etc if she doesn’t want to. I’m sure others will have some good advice.

Mine is straight up and very practical- however, extreme.

She NEEDS to be in a clean environment (this will be severely affecting her MH).

If she doesn’t go out and won’t let you in her room- you tell her that you’re putting the house up for sale and you’re doing a declutterring. You hire a skip and she’s in charge of chucking stuff out. You go to the length of tidying her room, new bedding etc. Tidy the whole house, get an estate agent round and take pics

Now this will probably cause stress but you need to get that room done. If you talk about moving, explain she can come with you if she seeks help for her temper and gets a job. But if she refuses either, then she won’t be moving with you. Yes it’s underhand but needs must.

Good luck OP

ThatCyanCat · 21/06/2025 16:13

Why does she say you are toxic? What examples does she give?

I'm not saying she's right but we have to know her reasoning, even if it's dead wrong, before we know how to respond to it.

timestressed · 21/06/2025 16:13

Her A levels are nearly over. She can move to her dad's now if she is not happy living with you.

coffeegirl73 · 21/06/2025 16:15

Oh OP
this must be so horrible for you. Is she applying for uni? Best thing that could
happen is if she gets a place a long way away?? After the exams I think I’d insist of cleaning her room. Try and get thru to her. Maybe she will calm down a bit when exams are finished? Poor you hugs Xxxxxxxx

DadofDaughters · 21/06/2025 16:16

This is just like my 13 year old daughter. With the addition that she also self harms and hurts us, her parents. Like others have said here - sounds like autism may be involved. We had a diagnosis four years ago which helps with understanding but not day to day life.

TrainGame · 21/06/2025 16:16

Also, she needs a long-term vision for her future. She needs to feel inspired for something, anything to get her out of the house long-term. What is that for her? Have you ever asked her what her dream life looks like? What would she be doing? Who would she be with? What would her surroundings look like? What change in the world would she be making?

When I was learning about this I did some life-coaching training and it taught me to listen, to really listen to what my children were saying and then ask very powerful questions to get them to open up more, Not just the stuff up there but deeper things...

I would suggest looking at some coaching training to understand how to communicate better, to hold space for someone, to not always 'assume' you know best, to allow someone to process in your presence, a safe place to work things through. This is entirely possible to learn. It takes time and work to get these skills but it's completely life-changing.

when my child is really struggling I ask them "what is the one thing you would change right now, out of everything that's going on for you, that would make the greatest difference?"

Ask that, the answer may surprise you.

RedBeech · 21/06/2025 16:21

zagazig · 21/06/2025 15:48

Autism presents differently in girls. My DD has been under the care of CAMHS and this kind of behaviour is a very common presentation according to the psychiatrists and clinical psychologists I have spoken to.

That's true. But I know quite a few autistic boys who behave like this. And a friend has an autistic daughter who wouldn't dream of speaking to her mother this way. Because she never gets away with it. I'm not saying there isn't a tendency. I'm saying don't ever ignore it or give in to it or hope it will go away on its own. Like with social anxiety, body dysmorphia, ARFID - all of which my autistic DS has had to severe degrees, we have to be vigilant and super patient and keep gently addressing the issue and looking for solutions. It may take years (all these took years for me to help DS overcome) but it is worthwhile, and it means always facing the issue when it arises and owrking through it with the autistic teen.

Naddd · 21/06/2025 16:24

She can't just be a ungrateful spoilt madam? who thinks she can do as she pleases with no consequence and when called out on her behaviour will gaslight and deflect anything not to take responsibility. Couldn't possibly be that!
Don't tell me she also expects full unconditional support.
It has to be some sort of syndrome?

Sometimes kids are just awful.

The vast majority of posters are literally making excuses for her behavior adhd, odd, autism and any other diagnosis to explain her awful gaslighting behaviour.
It's no wonder kids with these issues get such a hard time from the general public.

No longer does a young adult need to be held responsible for their behaviour not when a "syndrome" will explain it all away 🙄

AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/06/2025 16:24

When did her father and you separate?. That’s had some bearing here and I would also look a lot more into PDA.

Her emotionally and physically absent dad wanting to be her mate does his daughter no favours at all. Small wonder she is lashing out because she may well feel no one is listening. He’s not and she lashes out because any attention even negative is better than none.

Cakeandusername · 21/06/2025 16:24

No one deserves to be treated like she is treating you. If it’s so shit at your house living with you then there no need to be there A level exams are over.
She could do anything work ft and live in a rented room, work abroad - there’s schemes for under 30s in commonwealth like Canada or a scheme like camp America or uni through extra or clearing - she could pick one hours away in Scotland or NI.
I’d be having a conversation about her plans. Doing nothing isn’t an option.
You do have bargaining power as you are housing and feeding her.
Other option is to look at downsizing and moving to a one bed cottage or flat by the sea/country. Tell her your plans and give her a few months notice.

TheOGBethDuttton · 21/06/2025 16:25

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:47

The poster that said I was a weak parent is absolutely right. Believe me , I couldn't feel more of a failure if I tried.

Ignore the C who called you a weak parent. I read her comment and honestly who says shit like that.

CarefulN0w · 21/06/2025 16:26

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:47

The poster that said I was a weak parent is absolutely right. Believe me , I couldn't feel more of a failure if I tried.

You can’t help your daughter unless you look after your own mental health and welfare. You need to be selfish enough to protect yourself.

You have described some things that could be traits of autism or they might not be. She might be acting out childhood trauma or she might not. She might or might not have another diagnosis. Can you get her to a GP or CAMHS to see if they will assess her or refer her for suitable support? If she has just taken A levels can school direct you?

Deep down I suspect there is something underlying this and that she is probably quite scared. That doesn’t mean she gets to treat you badly though.

Pollyjokeajoke · 21/06/2025 16:27

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/06/2025 14:02

She sounds autistic?

Don’t make excuses for shitty behaviour.

AmyDuPlantier · 21/06/2025 16:27

megatwat · 21/06/2025 14:52

I was chucked out at 17, had to grow up and get a job and stand on own 2 feet

That’s great. Does it sound to you like this girl is in any way capable of that?