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I don't know how much longer I can parent my young adult DD

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 13:58

My DD is 18. I want to preface my post by saying that I love her. I want the best for her. She's talented and smart and funny. She's aspirational and interested in the world.

Life with my DD is unbearable most days. She's always been somewhat tricky , has control issues I would say, doesn't always connect well with other young people but does have a few close friends. She is a glass half empty sort of kid and while It's been hard at times , we stayed close and muddled through.

Fast forward to now and she's been studying hard A levels for the last two years. She has crashed and burned so badly that I do not recognise her.
She cannot tolerate even the smallest of requests from me , and I mean tiny ones like 'pick up your cup off the floor'. She is verbally abusive, says dreadful things about the kind of parent I am, and quotes long diatribes about being a toxic parent / she's going to go no contact when she's financially independent/hopes I rot in loneliness when I'm older.

It's just the two of us. Has been for a long time. She does see her Dad occasionally but he's a let-down on all fronts. She runs when he calls though, and I know that deep down so many of her issues are connected to him. Some days my life feels unbearable because for the last 2 years, I can't recall a single act of kindness that she has extended to me. She snarls when I speak, has taken to physically pushing me out of her way if I try to insist on a conversation, tells me to piss off/get out/ etc. my DD lives in squalor in her bedroom, I'm ashamed to say that it's so bad that it smells the entire upstairs. I tell her not to eat up there but she pushes past me and puts her headphones on to block me out. She is clean in herself but sometimes wears dirty clothes because she won't put them in the laundry basket but also won't let me in her room to take them out. She hardly leaves the house so entering her room anyway is not as easy as you'd think. She will physically push me out if I enter. Many, many times I've resorted to telling her that I cannot have her live here and act like this and she just snarls and says she won't be going anywhere.

My DD only interacts me to ask for lifts money or something else. She is escalating every week. There isn't a shred of her former kind self I can connect with , no matter how hard I try. I dream of selling my house and moving to a one bed flat that she can't come to. Believe me when I say that I feel like the mother she says I am, when I think this way.

I've tried to get her counselling. She won't go. She isn't going to university either. She does say she will get a job soon so that's something. I feel desperate most days

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MolluscMonday · 21/06/2025 16:28

Autistic people must get so sick of being compared to arseholes all the time…

OP. I think I would send her a text saying that you have had enough of her abusive behaviour and that you have made some decisions about what you will and won’t allow in your home. First, you are going to come into her room tomorrow and clear it unless she does so first, and that if she attempts to stop you or is abusive, you will be contacting her Father, telling him everything and asking him to have her live with him for the foreseeable.

Next, that the money, wifi and lifts are suspended with immediate effect until she consistently treats you better.

I would end it saying that you still love her and want to help her but that you cannot keep living like this in your own home.

Go out as much as you can. Join a gym, or a library. Endless walks. No wifi when you’re not there, no tv packages at any time. V basic food and drink in the cupboards.

Really, it doesn’t sound like you’ve got much to lose right now. But I think you do have things to potentially gain. Peace, your mental health, your boundaries, a calm home.

AmyDuPlantier · 21/06/2025 16:29

Naddd · 21/06/2025 16:24

She can't just be a ungrateful spoilt madam? who thinks she can do as she pleases with no consequence and when called out on her behaviour will gaslight and deflect anything not to take responsibility. Couldn't possibly be that!
Don't tell me she also expects full unconditional support.
It has to be some sort of syndrome?

Sometimes kids are just awful.

The vast majority of posters are literally making excuses for her behavior adhd, odd, autism and any other diagnosis to explain her awful gaslighting behaviour.
It's no wonder kids with these issues get such a hard time from the general public.

No longer does a young adult need to be held responsible for their behaviour not when a "syndrome" will explain it all away 🙄

So in your judgement these are just excuses, and there’s literally no possibility of them being an explanation?

Loubylie · 21/06/2025 16:29

Auroraofthedawn · 21/06/2025 16:09

It sounds like she is autistic with a PDA profile, check out some fb groups for parents and I bet you will recognise your daughter on there. She sounds like she’s been in burnout. It’s so hard OP, my son was really hard to live with until I figured he had PDA. Do you have audible? Check out the abridged version of The Explosive Child it’s brilliant and will help. Look at the PDA society too, and a low demand approach and language strategies.

I agree with this.
She needs help but you also need to protect yourself from her. She sounds impossible to live with.

TheOGBethDuttton · 21/06/2025 16:31

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:23

Guys her dad wants to be her mate. So it's a no go. Trust me. I've had years of him being completely disassociated from anything that doesn't affect him directly.
I agree I sound hesitant and defeatist. A group chat with him is a great idea. Not because he would help. But because she would hate for him to know how she lives

So?! Send her to him! Let him be her mate and he can clean up her mess.

allwillbe · 21/06/2025 16:31

Confuuzed · 21/06/2025 16:13

I mean yeah, let's just assume that this girl is just an unpleasant piece of shit. That's obviously far easier than thinking of other explanations. Or you could spend about 0.1 second thinking about the fact that nobody would choose to behave like this and maybe, just maybe there is something going on behind it.

If the op goes on just believing that her daughter is a nasty bad person then nothing will change. That's a very defeatist position to take and condemns her to eventually losing her relationship with her daughter entirely.

People suggesting autism and other related profiles might just end up pointing her in a direction that will change everything for the better. Those suggestions often come from people who have experienced this particular type of autism or neurodivergency (like me. Me and my kids are autistic and PDA. How else do you think i recognize it?) If her daughter is not autistic, and she is just an evil person, then nothing has been lost by op spending half an hour looking at the autistic society or the PDA society website. On the other hand, if it's possible that she is autistic with a PDA profile, it could change everything. Clearly this behavior isn't "normal". So rather than telling her to kick her 18yo out (to go where?!) at least those suggesting autism are trying to be helpful.

Fantastic response . Unbelievable how people pile on with unhelpful insults. My daughter was like this and we almost just thought maybe that’s the type of person she is. But thank god we didn’t. She had had a trauma we did not know about and undiagnosed ND that was diagnosed at 18. It was unbearable, violent and terrifying. With social services and camhs after a few years it is improving. It’s a long haul but we do now have a lovely daughter who we are very proud of and unrecognisable from the person a couple of years ago. I probably wouldn’t have had sympathy before this happened to me. It’s the only positive of this experience- I don’t judge people - behaviour is communication

Namechangerage · 21/06/2025 16:33

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:23

Guys her dad wants to be her mate. So it's a no go. Trust me. I've had years of him being completely disassociated from anything that doesn't affect him directly.
I agree I sound hesitant and defeatist. A group chat with him is a great idea. Not because he would help. But because she would hate for him to know how she lives

Maybe send a picture of her room in a group chat with dad. “Hi Ex, DD won’t listen to me about this room. See pics. Please can you two have a chat? I don’t want to fight with DD about this any more.”

ohfook · 21/06/2025 16:37

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/06/2025 14:02

She sounds autistic?

This was my first thought. I know a young person with PDA and the op could literally be describing them.

vdbfamily · 21/06/2025 16:39

My DD was like this. It was such a relief when she moved out. As soon as she moved away I was suddenly mother of the year and she was very apologetic for her teenage years. She was diagnosed with ADHD during lockdown and had no emotionally regulation and I was her main trigger. There was nothing I could say that would not result in swearing, kicking doors and threatening to run away and I would never see her again. She is still delightful at a distance but we cannot spend too many days together!! Interestingly though now she has changed from living in a pigsty to almost being obsessively clean and tidy which is very strange.

Waitingfordoggo · 21/06/2025 16:40

Your DD sounds a lot like a friend’s DD who is ND and has also suffered a lot of trauma with a completely absent Dad who left the family home in difficult circumstances. My friend has had to call the police at times when her DD has become threatening.

There are no easy answers and I’m afraid I have no suggestions, but I don’t think you sound like a weak parent. I know there are a number of posts criticising you but I want you to know that some of us are reading this and seeing a mum who loves her child and is trying her best in a very challenging situation. Wishing you well OP 💐

Theroadt · 21/06/2025 16:42

aredcar · 21/06/2025 14:21

She could be autistic but bullying behaviour does not always equal autism.

this girl is physically and verbally abusive to her mum. It’s not acceptable

Agreed. A bit unfair on autistic people imho

Fitasafiddle1 · 21/06/2025 16:42

I think in your place I would give my dd an ultimatum:

She gets a full home job in the next 6-8 weeks and starts paying something towards the home

Anymore abuse or physical violence and she is out

Her bedroom is completely clean from top to bottom and stays that way if she is to stay

A meeting with you for an hour to discuss the above

otherwise

You pick up the phone to her father and give him two choices, she either goes there to live or he pays for a place for her until she is fully financially independent. Or she is homeless which one would he prefer. It would be a straight choice.

I would put the house on the market and down size. With a box bedroom as a guest bedroom.

You can not carry on like this op, so you have no choice but to do something drastic.

I don’t think she despises you but she senses your weakness and has contempt for you. Looks the same.

It does not matter that is ‘wrong’ with her you have to become much firmer. There is no way you can continue as you are.

nocoolnamesleft · 21/06/2025 16:44

Screams burned out autistic to me, but having waited until she’s over 18 is likely to mean a much longer wait for assessment.

legoplaybook · 21/06/2025 16:45

Does sound like you need a break from one another to reset the relationship.
Even if dad won't house her long term, could she just go and stay with him for the summer?
Or grandparents/other relatives?

Ilikeadrink14 · 21/06/2025 16:45

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:47

The poster that said I was a weak parent is absolutely right. Believe me , I couldn't feel more of a failure if I tried.

The poster who said you are a weak parent is cruel, insensitive, judgemental, unfair and a total waste of space if that’s their idea of help!
Please don’t be so hard on yourself.
You have been given a lot of good advice so far and I don’t have anything to add, other than to say you are worth more than this. Concentrate on getting your life back on track and stay strong.🌺

RobertJohnsonsShoes · 21/06/2025 16:45

Saying she sounds autistic is rude imo. She sounds like an entitled brat and you need to put her in her place. It doesn’t matter what’s going on, we hate we had made this escalate, you cannot tolerate being spoke to like that.

LancashireButterPie · 21/06/2025 16:46

Well this is absolutely not normal behaviour is it? But to the posters using words like Tosser, Bitch and Madam and calling OP weak you really have no bloody idea.

Totally agree with those suggesting ND.

Sounds like she is already exploring this possibility herself, you could maybe use this as a way in to discuss the situation further with her?
Read up on strategies to help. There's a really good book called "Walking on eggshells" that we found helpful.

Our ASD, DD is a completely different person to the angst ridden, burned out 18year old that we really struggled with. It was her diagnosis that changed everything. She now has a fabulous professional career in tech, her own home, and partner.

Don't give up on her. Walk away from the agro and tell her you'll discuss it when she's calm.

Cheesyfootballs01 · 21/06/2025 16:49

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:23

Guys her dad wants to be her mate. So it's a no go. Trust me. I've had years of him being completely disassociated from anything that doesn't affect him directly.
I agree I sound hesitant and defeatist. A group chat with him is a great idea. Not because he would help. But because she would hate for him to know how she lives

If a group chat would help then set one up asap.

Explain on there exactly what you have said on here. Say that unless she changes or improves then she will need to move out on x date. That she either goes to him or he helps her find a place to live.

Stop letting him get away with having no responsibility! He’s her parent too so needs to step the fuck up… plus you said she likes him so maybe it will help.

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 16:50

Thanks everyone. I am listening and reading all responses in between working.

I agree there is possible ND. She won't engage in a discussion about it. I don't know how to push it further until the relationship is better. I will look at the books suggested.

I don't think she is just 'bad'. I don't think this for a second. I think there is more to it. I know I sound passive but I don't want to give the impression that I am a wallflower. I am not. I fight back, the rows are horrible. I have contributed to them with my own poor emotional regulation. I could defend myself on that front by saying I too am burnt out from years of parenting her alone , but I want to be fair to DD in the way I represent her in this OP and say that I have not handled her behaviour well. I get emotional, shouty , have a harsh tone when I've been insulted by her one too many times. I want to get better.

The poster that asked why she says I'm toxic. I'm not sure. She also says I've got victim issues , narcissism. This tends to be when I talk about the impact of her behaviour on my mental health. She says the way she interacts has been learned from me so I can't be mad. I don't think this is true but perhaps it is.

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prelovedusername · 21/06/2025 16:52

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/06/2025 14:02

She sounds autistic?

I agree. Many autistic kids really struggle with the prospect of the unknown, and the end of A levels is a seismic shift for anyone. it’s overwhelming.

This thread will be divided between those who have autistic children and recognise the signs, and those who don’t, and think it’s just bad behaviour. Listen to the posters with actual experience.

zagazig · 21/06/2025 16:53

The nasty horrible comments towards the OPs DD are just disgusting.

Cheesyfootballs01 · 21/06/2025 16:54

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 16:50

Thanks everyone. I am listening and reading all responses in between working.

I agree there is possible ND. She won't engage in a discussion about it. I don't know how to push it further until the relationship is better. I will look at the books suggested.

I don't think she is just 'bad'. I don't think this for a second. I think there is more to it. I know I sound passive but I don't want to give the impression that I am a wallflower. I am not. I fight back, the rows are horrible. I have contributed to them with my own poor emotional regulation. I could defend myself on that front by saying I too am burnt out from years of parenting her alone , but I want to be fair to DD in the way I represent her in this OP and say that I have not handled her behaviour well. I get emotional, shouty , have a harsh tone when I've been insulted by her one too many times. I want to get better.

The poster that asked why she says I'm toxic. I'm not sure. She also says I've got victim issues , narcissism. This tends to be when I talk about the impact of her behaviour on my mental health. She says the way she interacts has been learned from me so I can't be mad. I don't think this is true but perhaps it is.

Well isn’t she a manipulative little madam…

OP she needs to go.

Or completely withdraw from her - don’t engage with her, don’t give her lifts, cook, clean or do anything else for her.

NeverTrustaRabbit2000 · 21/06/2025 16:56

I would advise contacting the school with a view to raising the ASD/ADHD profile. A lot of this does ring very true with an undiagnosed young adult who has successfully masked for a long time. You don't have long left to get the ball rolling in an educational setting so that would be my first port of call.

HooverThatLounge · 21/06/2025 16:58

If she hates you, thinks you are a bad parent etc etc then why is she still living with you? She doesn't need to be close to school anymore so why doesn't she go and live with her Dad?

At 18 she has no automatic right to be housed by you and so she can pack her stuff and live with her "mate" Dad for a bit. Why should you have to live this unbearable life? Why does it all fall to you?

I would broach the subject with her, if she hates it so much why is she still here? Because you are her emotional punch bag.

Cesarina · 21/06/2025 17:01

657904I · 21/06/2025 14:23

Honestly you sound like a weak parent. Ie you’re not doing anything well:

  • you suggested she leave before, but what have you actually done to follow up on this?
  • Have you spoken to her dad about him taking her on? Have you asked him to speak to her about her behaviour?
  • It seems like someone else needs to mediate or step in. can any other family members do so?
  • If she physically assaults you, what is your reaction?
  • where is she asking for lifts to? What happens if you refuse?

Ultimately I don’t think barging into her bedroom is the right step if that will escalate to a physical altercation. She sounds like she absolutely despises you.

Part of it sounds like she is depressed and unwilling to face the world. Part of it sounds like, she just simply doesn’t like you much and doesn’t want a relationship with you.

If everyone thinks you both will be happier apart, what’s the point of this constant back and forth?

Obviously her difficulty is not being able to move out due to zero income. Is she claiming benefits? Can you possibly provide funds for something like a flat deposit? If it gets her out of your hair…

ultimately you do need to take charge and lay out the choices, either she lives under your rules until she can afford to move out or leaves immediately and lives however she wants and figures it out herself.

"Honestly you sound like a weak parent. Ie you're not doing anything well"
How on earth do you think that comment is going to help OP in any way?
Talk about kicking someone when they're down.....🙄

LancashireButterPie · 21/06/2025 17:03

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 16:50

Thanks everyone. I am listening and reading all responses in between working.

I agree there is possible ND. She won't engage in a discussion about it. I don't know how to push it further until the relationship is better. I will look at the books suggested.

I don't think she is just 'bad'. I don't think this for a second. I think there is more to it. I know I sound passive but I don't want to give the impression that I am a wallflower. I am not. I fight back, the rows are horrible. I have contributed to them with my own poor emotional regulation. I could defend myself on that front by saying I too am burnt out from years of parenting her alone , but I want to be fair to DD in the way I represent her in this OP and say that I have not handled her behaviour well. I get emotional, shouty , have a harsh tone when I've been insulted by her one too many times. I want to get better.

The poster that asked why she says I'm toxic. I'm not sure. She also says I've got victim issues , narcissism. This tends to be when I talk about the impact of her behaviour on my mental health. She says the way she interacts has been learned from me so I can't be mad. I don't think this is true but perhaps it is.

I could have written your post.
I've been called toxic too and I've yelled back (which I'm not proud of). I guess to them our ignorance does seem toxic.
It's not as simple as ordering her to clean her room. DDs home is an immaculate little palace now but at 18 her room was a hovel and the fear of starting to tidy it was like a paralysis.

DD described me waking her for college or even if she wanted to come with me on a shopping trip as being like someone going into her room with a machine gun firing all around her and yelling "now, now, now" it's total overload. I didn't understand that.

We are 10years down the line from the A levels and meltdowns and I can honestly say that we have not had a cross word for at least 7 years. She is absolutely my best friend.
Getting that diagnosis, reading up about how ASD affects women, learning coping strategies together, DD getting permission to stop masking and trying to fit her square peg in a round hole....it really changed everything.

Feel free to PM me if you ever need to talk.

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