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I don't know how much longer I can parent my young adult DD

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 13:58

My DD is 18. I want to preface my post by saying that I love her. I want the best for her. She's talented and smart and funny. She's aspirational and interested in the world.

Life with my DD is unbearable most days. She's always been somewhat tricky , has control issues I would say, doesn't always connect well with other young people but does have a few close friends. She is a glass half empty sort of kid and while It's been hard at times , we stayed close and muddled through.

Fast forward to now and she's been studying hard A levels for the last two years. She has crashed and burned so badly that I do not recognise her.
She cannot tolerate even the smallest of requests from me , and I mean tiny ones like 'pick up your cup off the floor'. She is verbally abusive, says dreadful things about the kind of parent I am, and quotes long diatribes about being a toxic parent / she's going to go no contact when she's financially independent/hopes I rot in loneliness when I'm older.

It's just the two of us. Has been for a long time. She does see her Dad occasionally but he's a let-down on all fronts. She runs when he calls though, and I know that deep down so many of her issues are connected to him. Some days my life feels unbearable because for the last 2 years, I can't recall a single act of kindness that she has extended to me. She snarls when I speak, has taken to physically pushing me out of her way if I try to insist on a conversation, tells me to piss off/get out/ etc. my DD lives in squalor in her bedroom, I'm ashamed to say that it's so bad that it smells the entire upstairs. I tell her not to eat up there but she pushes past me and puts her headphones on to block me out. She is clean in herself but sometimes wears dirty clothes because she won't put them in the laundry basket but also won't let me in her room to take them out. She hardly leaves the house so entering her room anyway is not as easy as you'd think. She will physically push me out if I enter. Many, many times I've resorted to telling her that I cannot have her live here and act like this and she just snarls and says she won't be going anywhere.

My DD only interacts me to ask for lifts money or something else. She is escalating every week. There isn't a shred of her former kind self I can connect with , no matter how hard I try. I dream of selling my house and moving to a one bed flat that she can't come to. Believe me when I say that I feel like the mother she says I am, when I think this way.

I've tried to get her counselling. She won't go. She isn't going to university either. She does say she will get a job soon so that's something. I feel desperate most days

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TonTonMacoute · 21/06/2025 15:13

Being autistic is not a get out of jail free card for bad, selfish behaviour. It is a challenge in life that someone needs help and support in dealing with, so that they don't behave like utter arseholes to their loved ones.

She has refused therapy, don't accept her autism excuses until she agrees to see someone - unfortunately I understand it's a long wait for this atm.

aredcar · 21/06/2025 15:14

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:08

I also don't want to imply she is violent. She isn't. But she has pushed me multiple times. Mainly to get me out of her room or push past me in an argument. She hasn't hit me or anything like that

Pushing is still violence.

shes 18. A adult. Regardless of whether she is autistic or not, she cannot go around assaulting you. It’s completely unacceptable

Alltheyellowbirds · 21/06/2025 15:14

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:05

And yes despises me...this is what it feels like. She doesn't say it but she says other stuff close to it. I genuinely think she does not want a relationship with me and has said as much for when she's independent. My heart is shattered by that but my central nervous system welcomes it

She doesn’t dispise you, I’m sure of that. She is struggling with life and lashing out at the safest person.

Conkerjar · 21/06/2025 15:15

Calling you toxic etc sounds like internet speak. Does she have a lot of social media/online time? I struggled at her age and was anxious, I tried to leave home for uni but came back home as my exec function was dreadful, I had no idea how to self organise or keep myself going. I'd be diagnosed ND these days. However, I was definitely not vile to my parents. They were definitely unfair at times, but I have no doubt they struggled with a house full, me and 3 younger kids. They insisted I work and pay towards rent. I did a degree in my home town, worked in a bar, got a crappy job when I graduated until I found something better and moved away in my early 20s. Work was very helpful for me, and time. If I'd been sidetracked by a smartphone I'd never have grown up, tho. You can have rules in your own home, regardless of her age. She probably needs them tbh. I needed scaffolding at that age.

Billybagpuss · 21/06/2025 15:16

I actually think you need to go upstairs now with a bin bag and the cleaning bucket. It’s warm, washing will dry, get a wash on. Be firm that this can not continue, it is your home and you have a right for it to be a reasonable standard of hygiene. Don’t engage with any arguments, please do not speak to me like that and walk away, don’t engage. You have to start setting boundaries.

That said, she will need some time to decompress after A levels and life as she knows it has ended. From September in order to stay with you she needs to get a job, or at least be out the house for several hours a day doing something constructive, moping in her room has a time limit.

if she refuses to sit down and have this conversation face to face, message it to her. Doing nothing from September is not an option if she wishes to stay with you.

good luck

Fusedspur · 21/06/2025 15:19

Billybagpuss · 21/06/2025 15:16

I actually think you need to go upstairs now with a bin bag and the cleaning bucket. It’s warm, washing will dry, get a wash on. Be firm that this can not continue, it is your home and you have a right for it to be a reasonable standard of hygiene. Don’t engage with any arguments, please do not speak to me like that and walk away, don’t engage. You have to start setting boundaries.

That said, she will need some time to decompress after A levels and life as she knows it has ended. From September in order to stay with you she needs to get a job, or at least be out the house for several hours a day doing something constructive, moping in her room has a time limit.

if she refuses to sit down and have this conversation face to face, message it to her. Doing nothing from September is not an option if she wishes to stay with you.

good luck

Sorry but that’s terrible advice. And if I did that to my otherwise stable PDA’er, there would scorched earth for miles.

Fleetheart · 21/06/2025 15:21

People who don’t have neurodivergence to deal with really shouldn’t be so dismissive of the really hard effect is has on us parents, particularly if we are single parents. It is literally like being abused, except you can’t leave your child. Not in all cases obviously, but certainly in my experience. And fighting with schools, authorities etc is tiring!! so give us all some sympathy, not just get a grip comments. And for the lady who said oh just get upstairs with some warm water and start cleaning the room- you really have no idea!!! do you actually think it’s that easy??

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:23

Guys her dad wants to be her mate. So it's a no go. Trust me. I've had years of him being completely disassociated from anything that doesn't affect him directly.
I agree I sound hesitant and defeatist. A group chat with him is a great idea. Not because he would help. But because she would hate for him to know how she lives

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PiggyPigalle · 21/06/2025 15:24

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/06/2025 14:02

She sounds autistic?

I've marked it off my card, thanks. BINGO!!

stargirl1701 · 21/06/2025 15:25

Your ‘currency’ is surely wifi. Remove it from your house. I would also suggest autism.

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:26

Fusedspur · 21/06/2025 15:19

Sorry but that’s terrible advice. And if I did that to my otherwise stable PDA’er, there would scorched earth for miles.

To be fair she says she is going to get a job. Before she deteriorated so badly in her behaviour, we talked about her plans after A levels and how she'd have to work if she doesn't want to study further. She accepted it. I don't think she plans to not work

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:27

stargirl1701 · 21/06/2025 15:25

Your ‘currency’ is surely wifi. Remove it from your house. I would also suggest autism.

I need it for my work but yes I'm sure I could figure out the settings to isolate her from it. She has tons of data though :(

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Cherrysoup · 21/06/2025 15:27

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/06/2025 14:02

She sounds autistic?

Really? Being autistic does not turn people into absolute arseholes.

@intheshallow you can make her homeless and you can inform social services that you are doing so. She has no right to stay in the family home at 18. Morally, ethically, can you do it? I’m assuming she’d refuse therapy. The situation is untenable for you (and her). Something needs to change and you may have to force the change.

She may change when she realises how much you do for her, but frankly, given her atrocious behaviour, I fear the relationship will not improve when you’re living together. It may exacerbate the issues if you kick her out (change the locks/inform the police if she tries to break back, she has been assaulting you, ffs). Would her dad take her in?

FionaJT · 21/06/2025 15:27

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:05

And yes despises me...this is what it feels like. She doesn't say it but she says other stuff close to it. I genuinely think she does not want a relationship with me and has said as much for when she's independent. My heart is shattered by that but my central nervous system welcomes it

Hang in there! My daughter said some awful things to me, used to flinch if I went near her and shout 'get out of my room' if I just walked up the stairs. I totally felt like a failure as a parent and frequently wondered if she was right.

The behaviour is definitely not OK. I told Dd often that if she was any other adult living with me I would absolutely not tolerate it, so she needed to change if she wanted to be treated as an adult. 18 is not mature, it's so hard to get across that transition, but it is possible.

Noshadelamp · 21/06/2025 15:28

Your DD is similar to my DD who was diagnosed with autism as a young teen then the stress of A levels caused a complete breakdown and burnout.

Her nervous system is shot and she needs time to reset. She's in flight or flight mode most of the time.

I promise you it gets better but you have to be prepared to parent differently and look after your own emotional regulation.

Have you read about PDA or demand avoidance autism?

Pp will say she's a nasty bully etc and "your house your rules" but that attitude will only make things worse with someone struggling with burnout and PDA.

You need to go on a communication detox, write notes if it's important eg "I'll be back at 10pm"
Stop trying to have conversations with her when she doesn't want to talk.

At the same time you need to establish a few boundaries in a firm loving way.

Pick your top three until they are established and working eg no physically pushing, allow me more time to recover if we've rowed, bring cups and plates down 3 times a week

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:29

Conkerjar · 21/06/2025 15:15

Calling you toxic etc sounds like internet speak. Does she have a lot of social media/online time? I struggled at her age and was anxious, I tried to leave home for uni but came back home as my exec function was dreadful, I had no idea how to self organise or keep myself going. I'd be diagnosed ND these days. However, I was definitely not vile to my parents. They were definitely unfair at times, but I have no doubt they struggled with a house full, me and 3 younger kids. They insisted I work and pay towards rent. I did a degree in my home town, worked in a bar, got a crappy job when I graduated until I found something better and moved away in my early 20s. Work was very helpful for me, and time. If I'd been sidetracked by a smartphone I'd never have grown up, tho. You can have rules in your own home, regardless of her age. She probably needs them tbh. I needed scaffolding at that age.

She is on her phone constantly. I recognise the ' therapy speak ' she uses on me. I work with young adults and a lot of them use it. Instagram psychology

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Gymnopedie · 21/06/2025 15:30

We are in an awful cycle of her being horrible to me, then approaching me calmly an hour later to ask me for something. I am completely unable to meet her new calm energy and respond with fire.

Next time she asks, take a deep breath, just say no, turn and walk away. Don't get into a battle.

SpicedHerbalTea · 21/06/2025 15:31

Give her a long deadline… say the new year, and spell out to her very clearly, in writing if needed, what she needs to achieve by then, and why. So you’re not throwing her out, you’re just setting your terms and giving yourself a light at the end of the tunnel should it not work out. In fact I’d definitely put it in writing in case she shows anyone else!! She would be welcome to!! Have a friend with you when you do this.

So, she needs to…

Enrol on a course of At least x hours a week and/or get a job for y hours a week

Keep her room tidy enough for you or her to vacuum and wipe surfaces in there at any time

Have a curfew of whatever time/on whatever days

do x hours per week of housework in communal areas

Spend one evening per week with you on a pre-planned activity e.g. night class, movie night, cook for each other night etc.

Set boundaries around money and transport too. E.g. lifts on one night per week only, allowance of £x per week (which stops if she moves out).

Tell her that you will review and discuss with her monthly and stick to the plan ruthlessly.

Tell her that you’re doing this because you want to heal your relationship. That you love her and that you think there’s lots of potential for you to have a lovely relationship in future and I’d like that. Tell her you’re doing it this way to give her time and space to get her head around it and know what the boundaries and timescales are.

Then really try to leave it to her without holding anything over her whilst it plays out. It will be difficult but you’ll have a simple plan then and you’ll both be on the same page.

Delphiniumandlupins · 21/06/2025 15:31

Just want to send sympathy. You're not a bad parent, I'm sure, but this abusive relationship has worn you down.

  1. Could she go and stay with her father?
  2. Are there any other relatives she could move in with?
  3. Could you help her financially to move out (don't sign up as guarantor)?

All these options may just feed her narrative that you're a dreadful mother/abandoning her but honestly could things get any worse? Even a break over the summer might help.

Wineandrun · 21/06/2025 15:31

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:47

The poster that said I was a weak parent is absolutely right. Believe me , I couldn't feel more of a failure if I tried.

You are not a weak parent. I have three children, two I parent brilliantly and one who treats me in a similar way to your daughter treating you, only they are younger which causes further issues. As a result, I find them very difficult to parent and being constantly told you are rubbish wrecks your confidence and self belief. I am a good mum, struggling with a very difficult relationship. I feel for you OP, everyone is telling you to just cuck her out or just clean her room but that is so hard when someone is screaming at you or physically stopping you. I’m not sure how they expect you to do that. I wish I had advice, but I can only offer solidarity.

FeistyFrankie · 21/06/2025 15:32

OP it sounds like you've had poor boundaries with your daughter, so she never learned when younger what the consequences of being mean and selfish would be. You now have a young adult on your hands with the emotional intelligence of a very young child.

I'm going to suggest therapy for you. So that you can learn how to assert yourself and lay down boundaries.

Second, your daughter needs to move out. In the kindest way possible, she hasn't learnt how to be a responsible and considerate person under your roof, so she'll have to learn all of that somewhere else.

I'm pretty certain that once she has grown up a bit, and has some space away from you, she'll reflect on her behaviour and realise how awful she's been. But she has to move out first for that to happen.

Be kind to yourself OP. It sounds like a very tough situation. But you need your home back and it's time for your daughter to sort herself out - by herself.

PinkChaires · 21/06/2025 15:32

sorry i dont think shes autistic, i think she is a bully who knows how to manipulate and get her way. I would genuinely give her a deadline and tell her by that point she must be eg actively looking for a job or have a job and after that a deadline to move out.

wizzywig · 21/06/2025 15:32

I'd say separate potential diagnosis of nd from her personality. Being nd doesn't give her a free pass to be vile and she is being utterly awful.
Whether you carry on or tell her to leave once she is 18 she will blame you. You can't win.

Yogabearmous · 21/06/2025 15:32

Slobberchops1 · 21/06/2025 14:06

I’ld be telling her it’s time to be financially independent and to GTFO until she can learn to be respectful

This

its Time to let her fly independently and ask her to move out. Your allowing and enabling this behaviour by letting her stay and treat you like this.

Itallcomesdowntothis · 21/06/2025 15:32

Where are you in all of this OP? Why are you acting like a passenger in your own life? Enabling this behaviour and making your life miserable.

Enough is enough. This changes today. Calmly tell her your expectations and how things are going to go with boundaries. Then step up. Set consequences and follow through - pushes you? No headhones. Goes ballistic - take her phone. Etc etc.

For your own sake your need to do this now. From what you have said it can’t get any worse so what are you afraid of?