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I don't know how much longer I can parent my young adult DD

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 13:58

My DD is 18. I want to preface my post by saying that I love her. I want the best for her. She's talented and smart and funny. She's aspirational and interested in the world.

Life with my DD is unbearable most days. She's always been somewhat tricky , has control issues I would say, doesn't always connect well with other young people but does have a few close friends. She is a glass half empty sort of kid and while It's been hard at times , we stayed close and muddled through.

Fast forward to now and she's been studying hard A levels for the last two years. She has crashed and burned so badly that I do not recognise her.
She cannot tolerate even the smallest of requests from me , and I mean tiny ones like 'pick up your cup off the floor'. She is verbally abusive, says dreadful things about the kind of parent I am, and quotes long diatribes about being a toxic parent / she's going to go no contact when she's financially independent/hopes I rot in loneliness when I'm older.

It's just the two of us. Has been for a long time. She does see her Dad occasionally but he's a let-down on all fronts. She runs when he calls though, and I know that deep down so many of her issues are connected to him. Some days my life feels unbearable because for the last 2 years, I can't recall a single act of kindness that she has extended to me. She snarls when I speak, has taken to physically pushing me out of her way if I try to insist on a conversation, tells me to piss off/get out/ etc. my DD lives in squalor in her bedroom, I'm ashamed to say that it's so bad that it smells the entire upstairs. I tell her not to eat up there but she pushes past me and puts her headphones on to block me out. She is clean in herself but sometimes wears dirty clothes because she won't put them in the laundry basket but also won't let me in her room to take them out. She hardly leaves the house so entering her room anyway is not as easy as you'd think. She will physically push me out if I enter. Many, many times I've resorted to telling her that I cannot have her live here and act like this and she just snarls and says she won't be going anywhere.

My DD only interacts me to ask for lifts money or something else. She is escalating every week. There isn't a shred of her former kind self I can connect with , no matter how hard I try. I dream of selling my house and moving to a one bed flat that she can't come to. Believe me when I say that I feel like the mother she says I am, when I think this way.

I've tried to get her counselling. She won't go. She isn't going to university either. She does say she will get a job soon so that's something. I feel desperate most days

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:50

We are in an awful cycle of her being horrible to me, then approaching me calmly an hour later to ask me for something. I am completely unable to meet her new calm energy and respond with fire. She feels justified at this point in her original behaviour and the cycle continues. My DD has not reflected or apologised to me for a single unkind act in years and the idea that I could ever ' sit her down' to talk about anything is laudable but not realistic. She would not ever tolerate ' sitting down' for any kind of talk from me.

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idonotwantthat · 21/06/2025 14:50

I knew when I opened this it would be full of ‘chuck her outs’ and while I do think the OP and her DD need some space from one another, it’s such a naive thing to say.

Where is she going to go? I mean yes, house shares and rooms are available at 18, but they are dependent on an income and therefore holding down a job. So if the DD refuses to go, what’s the OP going to do?

There are no easy answers here. Autism or not I agree the problems are linked to the dad.

Gall10 · 21/06/2025 14:50

KurtShirty · 21/06/2025 14:46

How utterly repulsive to refer to this young woman as a bitch

No it isn’t….she sounds like she needs shock tactics….send her to her fathers whether either of them wants it or not. We all have just one life…don’t let her waste either hers or yours.

Gall10 · 21/06/2025 14:51

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:50

We are in an awful cycle of her being horrible to me, then approaching me calmly an hour later to ask me for something. I am completely unable to meet her new calm energy and respond with fire. She feels justified at this point in her original behaviour and the cycle continues. My DD has not reflected or apologised to me for a single unkind act in years and the idea that I could ever ' sit her down' to talk about anything is laudable but not realistic. She would not ever tolerate ' sitting down' for any kind of talk from me.

She’s totally controlling you….no child should ever be allowed to control a parent. Get a grip.

megatwat · 21/06/2025 14:52

I was chucked out at 17, had to grow up and get a job and stand on own 2 feet

idonotwantthat · 21/06/2025 14:52

Gall10 · 21/06/2025 14:51

She’s totally controlling you….no child should ever be allowed to control a parent. Get a grip.

Do you honestly think ‘get a grip’ is helpful?

It isn’t. HTH.

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:54

She gets an allowance and phone paid for by dad with lots of data. I've got no ' currency' with her that would be effective. Nothing that I can withdraw.

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:55

Her dad won't house her. He lives too far away

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Gall10 · 21/06/2025 14:56

imip · 21/06/2025 14:26

Yes, I would suspect autism as well. If it’s not been recognised, she may not actually recognise her behaviour or that it out of order. Coupled with being a teenage, the behaviour is more extreme.

i have three teenage daughters and they are all various types of what you describe, though we also have good times, where I know it will be (generally) ok.

perhaps you could talk to her about getting a diagnosis, possibly via the right to choose as anything else will take forever. She maybe waiting for this from you if she is self identifying, she maybe waiting wish to join groups of other autistic teens and yp?

Why do people start talking ‘autism, neurodivergence’ when some people are just plain horrible! This adult female can turn on ‘normality’ when she wants something. She needs to try being normal when the mum wants something…such as picking her cup off the floor.
Shes 18 FGS…not 8.

Newnamesameme · 21/06/2025 14:58

Foreverm0re · 21/06/2025 14:23

Why do people instantly jump to autism with everything? Some people are just tossers.

Because of our lived experience. She sounds very much like my son. PDA and it sounds like a bit of autistic burnout too. That doesn't mean I am right but it sounds very much like what I have first hand experience of living with. It's worth considering.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 21/06/2025 15:02

Love, you need outside help and support FOR YOU now. Whether your daughter is in burnout or not, -you- are.

Can you contact the organisation mentioned above? Or an organisation like Young Minds or similar?

Nothing will change unless you change your actions but right at this moment I think you need support and help first.

FionaJT · 21/06/2025 15:04

Also sounds very much like my Dd who really struggled through 6th form & was diagnosed with ASD as she turned 18. My friends also commented that it sounded like being in an abusive relationship (it has always just been me & her) . Since getting a part time job in her year out, then going to university, her attitude and behaviour has improved a great deal. I got a spontaneous Mother's Day card and present this year for the first time ever. So some of it was just immaturity, but she was also pretty motivated to do something - to get away from me, mostly! I would definitely suggest laying down strict boundaries, and enlisting outside help if at all possible.

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:05

And yes despises me...this is what it feels like. She doesn't say it but she says other stuff close to it. I genuinely think she does not want a relationship with me and has said as much for when she's independent. My heart is shattered by that but my central nervous system welcomes it

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SixteenClovesOfGarlic · 21/06/2025 15:05

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:55

Her dad won't house her. He lives too far away

Send her to the man's house to live. She doesn't need to be in your house, abusing you. She has finished school, so her other parents house is not too far.

alexdgr8 · 21/06/2025 15:06

You've done your bit.
She is now an adult.
If she will not accept your authority as a parent and the householder she should go somewhere else.
She either shapes up or ships out.
I think you need to distance yourself emotionally somehow.
Your life matters just as much as hers.
How about dealing with as if she is a horrendous lodger.
That you need to get out.
Communicate in writing email or text. Bare minimum. State that she will need to find somewhere else to live.
Then a few weeks later repeat the text and say by October.
You need to stand up for yourself.
By being calm and clear sighted.
Don't expect anything from her.
It's your house. You choose who lives there. If anyone.
All the best.

Fusedspur · 21/06/2025 15:07

Foreverm0re · 21/06/2025 14:23

Why do people instantly jump to autism with everything? Some people are just tossers.

Because there are a few markers in the OP which point that way. Especially the demand avoidance and sensory issues.

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:07

Thanks , I do feel like I need help for me. I can't throw her out , realistically speaking. I have to find a way to live with it though. I keep thinking that now the exams are over she will improve. She will get a job and leave the house , connext with others and get given instructions by a boss. Dare I say it , learn some humility. That's what I'm holding out for

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kiwiane · 21/06/2025 15:07

There have to be consequences for her poor behaviour - currently she still gets meals, money and lifts. She is an adult and you need to protect yourself - go to your GP and let them know what’s happening in case there’s an episode where you have to involve the crisis team or even the police.

imip · 21/06/2025 15:08

As above, lived experience. I have three female autistic teens in my house and work in the area also. At this point it would really be helpful to see if there is something underlying her behaviour rather than just call her an arsehole

schools already do this, labelling kids as bad when really autism or adhd underlie their behaviour. Yes, I work in secondary schools and see it first hand.

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:08

I also don't want to imply she is violent. She isn't. But she has pushed me multiple times. Mainly to get me out of her room or push past me in an argument. She hasn't hit me or anything like that

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PennywisePoundFoolish · 21/06/2025 15:08

This sounds really difficult. I'd wonder if she's got online friends encouraging her you are toxic and to go no contact.

It's obviously not going to be an easy one to fix.

I suspect she's probably ashamed of how bad her room is, which is why she's being so defensive of it. I would be pretty hard-hearted about the room, though, it's probably a fire-hazard. I'd do it on one of her rare trips out or cut upstairs electrics (via the circuit board fuse) until she surfaces. She'd be raging, but I think the squalor will be affecting her mood quite significantly.

Does her dad ever come and visit her?

657904I · 21/06/2025 15:10

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:50

We are in an awful cycle of her being horrible to me, then approaching me calmly an hour later to ask me for something. I am completely unable to meet her new calm energy and respond with fire. She feels justified at this point in her original behaviour and the cycle continues. My DD has not reflected or apologised to me for a single unkind act in years and the idea that I could ever ' sit her down' to talk about anything is laudable but not realistic. She would not ever tolerate ' sitting down' for any kind of talk from me.

then text her, email her, message her on social media? She has a phone that she engages with. What would happen if you made a group chat with her dad? she isn’t going to ignore other people having visibility on this.

you just seem hesitant to do ANYTHING.

I agree that immediately jumping to an in person conversation would not help you, as it would be inflamed and might become violent. Plus given the context of the household, with long standing tension and resentment, you’re never going to start afresh and level headed. All of that will come to the surface as you refer to above.

At the moment, your daughter has poor conflict resolution skills. And given what you have explained, she will struggle to find a job. Poor hygiene will make her unemployable at interview stage. So she’s never going to realistically move out by herself.

Therefore her dad needs more visibility and awareness of this. At the moment your daughter thinks you’re a massive nag. If her dad agrees with you, that support might make her see sense. If her dad agrees with her, then maybe that opens the door for her to move in with him. Surely her dad and her, would see that the current set up isn’t viable. Can he financially support her in getting somewhere to rent?

Fleetheart · 21/06/2025 15:11

People often suggest autism I think because there are a lot of people who don’t realise that behaviour is communication. This behaviour shows this girl is unhappy and not able to make herself understood. Which is often one of the issues that autistic people can have. Sounds like my DS who has a PDA profile.

I haven’t managed to get to a great place with him yet and of course I am no psychologist so not saying it’s the same- I’m just drawing parallels in case they’re useful. I’m certainly not preaching; but what I do know is that any demand sends him into argument mode and I also can do nothing if he abuses me!Its such a hard situation as I don’t want to throw him out (he wouldn’t go so I would need to get a lot of other people involved), but this is no way to live. I would suggest OP gets help for herself from a mental heath charity which does know about autism and PDA profile and get support in dealing with this behaviour. It’s really difficult I do sympathise.

And my theory is that often a single parent is left with this problem and no support because the other parent also suffered from the same/ similar issue and couldn’t really handle being a responsible parent.

Alltheyellowbirds · 21/06/2025 15:11

KurtShirty · 21/06/2025 14:46

How utterly repulsive to refer to this young woman as a bitch

Agreed. Horrible. She clesrky very troubled and in need of help. And though 18 is technically an adult, it really isn’t.