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I don't know how much longer I can parent my young adult DD

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 13:58

My DD is 18. I want to preface my post by saying that I love her. I want the best for her. She's talented and smart and funny. She's aspirational and interested in the world.

Life with my DD is unbearable most days. She's always been somewhat tricky , has control issues I would say, doesn't always connect well with other young people but does have a few close friends. She is a glass half empty sort of kid and while It's been hard at times , we stayed close and muddled through.

Fast forward to now and she's been studying hard A levels for the last two years. She has crashed and burned so badly that I do not recognise her.
She cannot tolerate even the smallest of requests from me , and I mean tiny ones like 'pick up your cup off the floor'. She is verbally abusive, says dreadful things about the kind of parent I am, and quotes long diatribes about being a toxic parent / she's going to go no contact when she's financially independent/hopes I rot in loneliness when I'm older.

It's just the two of us. Has been for a long time. She does see her Dad occasionally but he's a let-down on all fronts. She runs when he calls though, and I know that deep down so many of her issues are connected to him. Some days my life feels unbearable because for the last 2 years, I can't recall a single act of kindness that she has extended to me. She snarls when I speak, has taken to physically pushing me out of her way if I try to insist on a conversation, tells me to piss off/get out/ etc. my DD lives in squalor in her bedroom, I'm ashamed to say that it's so bad that it smells the entire upstairs. I tell her not to eat up there but she pushes past me and puts her headphones on to block me out. She is clean in herself but sometimes wears dirty clothes because she won't put them in the laundry basket but also won't let me in her room to take them out. She hardly leaves the house so entering her room anyway is not as easy as you'd think. She will physically push me out if I enter. Many, many times I've resorted to telling her that I cannot have her live here and act like this and she just snarls and says she won't be going anywhere.

My DD only interacts me to ask for lifts money or something else. She is escalating every week. There isn't a shred of her former kind self I can connect with , no matter how hard I try. I dream of selling my house and moving to a one bed flat that she can't come to. Believe me when I say that I feel like the mother she says I am, when I think this way.

I've tried to get her counselling. She won't go. She isn't going to university either. She does say she will get a job soon so that's something. I feel desperate most days

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EscapeToSuffolk · 21/06/2025 15:34

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/06/2025 14:02

She sounds autistic?

Oh thanks very much!!

3luckystars · 21/06/2025 15:34

Sounds from your initial post that she has autism and has burned out.

If you can you could peruse a diagnosis.

It might explain a lot.

Often times when they are treating you the worst, it’s when they need you the most.

FionaJT · 21/06/2025 15:36

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:26

To be fair she says she is going to get a job. Before she deteriorated so badly in her behaviour, we talked about her plans after A levels and how she'd have to work if she doesn't want to study further. She accepted it. I don't think she plans to not work

If she's just done A levels and the serious deterioration is linked to that, and she is thinking about future plans, I'd be inclined to give her a bit of time to decompress with a deadline for some progress to start in September, even if it's just to seek outside help - if you can get through the next couple of months.

zagazig · 21/06/2025 15:36

Another for autism. My DD is a bit younger bit similar. Also lives in squalor. Even if I tidy and clean everything, it is filthy again in 5 minutes. Also swings between hating me and loving me. She is also very controlling of me and tries to dictate what I can and cannot do.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 21/06/2025 15:38

The only advice I have is that sometimes autistic people respond best to just being told what is going to happen, rather than being asked questions that need to be answered or being asked what they think should happen. (My eldest DD is autistic and I deal with autistic people day to day). They sometimes feel safer if you take any decision making away and simply say 'today, this is happening. Tomorrow this is happening.' You have declared. It will happen. They are not being asked to join a conversation about it, It. Is. Happening.

Might that work with your DD? If it's simply presented as a statement of fact that 'tomorrow we are clearing out your bedroom.' Or 'today you are bringing me the dirty cups from your room'.

My DD couldn't cope with anything that wasn't an absolute, so telling her rather than asking her worked best. Apologies if this isn't the case with yours.

fruitflavouredmilk · 21/06/2025 15:38

SpicedHerbalTea · 21/06/2025 15:31

Give her a long deadline… say the new year, and spell out to her very clearly, in writing if needed, what she needs to achieve by then, and why. So you’re not throwing her out, you’re just setting your terms and giving yourself a light at the end of the tunnel should it not work out. In fact I’d definitely put it in writing in case she shows anyone else!! She would be welcome to!! Have a friend with you when you do this.

So, she needs to…

Enrol on a course of At least x hours a week and/or get a job for y hours a week

Keep her room tidy enough for you or her to vacuum and wipe surfaces in there at any time

Have a curfew of whatever time/on whatever days

do x hours per week of housework in communal areas

Spend one evening per week with you on a pre-planned activity e.g. night class, movie night, cook for each other night etc.

Set boundaries around money and transport too. E.g. lifts on one night per week only, allowance of £x per week (which stops if she moves out).

Tell her that you will review and discuss with her monthly and stick to the plan ruthlessly.

Tell her that you’re doing this because you want to heal your relationship. That you love her and that you think there’s lots of potential for you to have a lovely relationship in future and I’d like that. Tell her you’re doing it this way to give her time and space to get her head around it and know what the boundaries and timescales are.

Then really try to leave it to her without holding anything over her whilst it plays out. It will be difficult but you’ll have a simple plan then and you’ll both be on the same page.

And write this in a group chat with her father. It’s funny how he gets to opt out, when you can’t cope either.

MyDeftDuck · 21/06/2025 15:39

Stop giving her lifts and stop giving her money. If she needs cash, tell her she can earn it by pulling her weight in the home, cleaning her shit hole of a bedroom, doing some laundry and basically function like a decent human being. With her attitude she will be lucky to get a job.

HoppingPavlova · 21/06/2025 15:42

My DD only interacts me to ask for lifts money or something else

Cut those out asap. I had one similar, suspect they may be autistic (they do have ASD sibling plus ADHD in family), but had them tested by various specialists, including those meant to be expert with ASD in females and nadda. Everyone said there was ‘something’ going on but it didn’t fit anything. Irrespective of ASD, ADHD or any other letters this behaviour is unacceptable. I certainly wouldn’t have accepted it from my diagnosed kids! The only thing that made a difference was tough love. We stopped all financial aid - not abusive as they had a roof over their head (ours), food provided (ours and too bad if not to their liking), hot water, shampoo/conditioner/soap/hygiene products etc provided - everything needed for survival😁. But all money for extras stopped and if they wanted to get anywhere they made their own way, as it’s inappropriate to give an abusive person lifts. The realisation that we were not going to break and give in slowly turned them around. They are still our trickiest ‘kid’ (ours are adults now), and honestly probably least liked by their siblings, but the core abusive behaviour stopped.

RedBeech · 21/06/2025 15:42

Hmm. My son and my DH are autistic and they do NOT and never have behaved like that.

Whether she is autistic or just a stressed hormonal teen, I suspect she simply has no idea what it is like to be on the receiving end of her hatred. I'd either film her or mimic her - not in a mocking way but to let her understand how her behaviour comes over. I strongly believe in mimicking teen behaviour to teach them what they are doing. I'd say: 'How would you feel if I told you I plan to go no contact as soon as you are old enough and that I hope you rot in loneliness?' Use the tone of voice she uses at you back at her when you ask it. Then - crucially - insist on an answer. It's not a rhetorical question. She needs to think how she would feel.

Copy her language and tone of voice back at her, with all the venom, but either side of mimicking her, speak calmly in a loving voice, so she gets the distinction between your behaviour and hers. Don't give up until she answers. And then have as calm a chat about her behaviour as you can.

A dear friend of mine has an autistic son who treats her like this. She never ever stands up to him. So he never learns. I never let DC or DH treat me - or anyone else - with cruelty or contempt. So they don't. Autistic people may need a lot more time dedicated to teaching them socially acceptable behaviour but if they are intelligent enough to be sitting A levels, they are certainly capable of learning emotional intelligence too.

ERthree · 21/06/2025 15:43

Autistic or not she does not get to physically, verbally and mentally abuse you. Her Alevels finish soon, what does she plan to do? Will it be uni or straight into the work place, if it is uni, great as long as it is too far to travel to every day. If it is the work place then give her 12 months notice of her moving out day. Tell her she is welcome to stay but the abuse stops now. If she intends to go to college maybe it is time she goes and lives with her Father.
You have put up with enough and cannot spend the rest of your life being abused every single day. You cannot finance her life whilst she is making your life hell. Yes, no doubt a diagnosis of Autism would be made but that does not mean another adult gets to push you about in your own home. The time has come to deal with her.

Confuuzed · 21/06/2025 15:43

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:21

She describes herself as autistic at times so it's hard to say what her thinking on a potential diagnosis would be. I don't know if I have the mental energy anymore to get her to explore it fully. She can't tolerate a simple interaction that has any perceived demand/task in it whatsover so even the idea of trying to talk about it makes me nervous.

This is textbook autism with a PDA profile. (Pathological demand avoidance) It certainly sounds like she's absolutely burnt out.

It sounds like there's a lot in her life that's placing demands - her relationship with her dad and having to study. Then you, her safe person, walks in and demands she clean her room and she CANNOT handle it and that's why you're getting the brunt of it.

Have a look at the PDA Society. See if it resonates.

zagazig · 21/06/2025 15:48

RedBeech · 21/06/2025 15:42

Hmm. My son and my DH are autistic and they do NOT and never have behaved like that.

Whether she is autistic or just a stressed hormonal teen, I suspect she simply has no idea what it is like to be on the receiving end of her hatred. I'd either film her or mimic her - not in a mocking way but to let her understand how her behaviour comes over. I strongly believe in mimicking teen behaviour to teach them what they are doing. I'd say: 'How would you feel if I told you I plan to go no contact as soon as you are old enough and that I hope you rot in loneliness?' Use the tone of voice she uses at you back at her when you ask it. Then - crucially - insist on an answer. It's not a rhetorical question. She needs to think how she would feel.

Copy her language and tone of voice back at her, with all the venom, but either side of mimicking her, speak calmly in a loving voice, so she gets the distinction between your behaviour and hers. Don't give up until she answers. And then have as calm a chat about her behaviour as you can.

A dear friend of mine has an autistic son who treats her like this. She never ever stands up to him. So he never learns. I never let DC or DH treat me - or anyone else - with cruelty or contempt. So they don't. Autistic people may need a lot more time dedicated to teaching them socially acceptable behaviour but if they are intelligent enough to be sitting A levels, they are certainly capable of learning emotional intelligence too.

Autism presents differently in girls. My DD has been under the care of CAMHS and this kind of behaviour is a very common presentation according to the psychiatrists and clinical psychologists I have spoken to.

SpicedHerbalTea · 21/06/2025 15:48

@fruitflavouredmilk I’d be happy to put this in a group chat!

Also OP by doing this you’d be gently but firmly taking back control.

You DO have things that she wants… a home, ands I’d be very surprised if she doesn’t want a positive relationship with you underneath it all.

You should also say in the that any pushing and shouting should stop since you deserve to feel safe and relaxed in your own home, and that if any of that continues you deserve the right to review the whole situation.

She’ll accuse you of holding her over a barrel but you’re not, you’re just dealing positively and proactively with the situation.

I a relative with PDA and many other conditions, he essentially abused another relative for 10+ years with these sorts of behaviours and it all ended very traumatically. Take action so that you don’t end up like this

wastingtimeonhere · 21/06/2025 15:52

If this was a boy, the pushing would not be excused, it would be 'he's escalating abuse'

Conkerjar · 21/06/2025 15:53

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 15:29

She is on her phone constantly. I recognise the ' therapy speak ' she uses on me. I work with young adults and a lot of them use it. Instagram psychology

It's the worst, in the wrong hands. Not good for anyone, but especially not teens. I wonder if it would help your OH to see some content around this - he may be able to get through to her more effectively than you can. Use him to your advantage. Mainly though I think you need to get some space from this; if you can't change things much at home then at least get yourself out. Can you park up for 10mins after going shopping and have a bit of time to yourself? Small treat, book, park up on a quiet road. Just something to maintain your sense of self.

Kayakingvacation · 21/06/2025 15:54

Definitely chuck her out. She is 18 and can get a job to support herself. OP mentioned in the first post she wants to be financially independent of you.

You deserve a break and in the long run it will be good for her. Don't enable her my coming up with labels for her destructive behaviour ( some people are and just selfish and take advantage).

If after a while she is still struggling at least she will have had time to reflect on her actions and might learn some humility.

Stand firm OP. You never know it might be the making of her.

Conkerjar · 21/06/2025 15:54

Conkerjar · 21/06/2025 15:53

It's the worst, in the wrong hands. Not good for anyone, but especially not teens. I wonder if it would help your OH to see some content around this - he may be able to get through to her more effectively than you can. Use him to your advantage. Mainly though I think you need to get some space from this; if you can't change things much at home then at least get yourself out. Can you park up for 10mins after going shopping and have a bit of time to yourself? Small treat, book, park up on a quiet road. Just something to maintain your sense of self.

Sorry, I mean content around how internet stuff is affecting teen brains for your husband to see. It might get him on board.

Mollysocks · 21/06/2025 15:55

My DD only interacts me to ask for lifts money or something else.

Please don’t say you agree to these demands…

Fmlgirl · 21/06/2025 15:56

I was thrown out at that age. I wasn‘t even half as bad I think. I never came back from the abandonment I felt and now being a parent myself, I understand it even less. I think to protect your mental health this may be the way it has to go but it did destroy mine and my mother‘s relationship. I have a really good life now (took me years to get there though, successful in my career and own property. But I hardly speak to my mother.

TrainGame · 21/06/2025 15:56

Autism. Pathological demand avoidance. Possibly ADHD or ADD too.

This: "I am completely unable to meet her new calm energy and respond with fire."

This is also a problem. You are the adult. You cannot fight her energy with the same energy. Then it just becomes a battle of wills. She's 18 now not a toddler. Sorry but you need to change course. This won't work anymore. You can't fight fire with fire and as the responsible adult and parent, you need to do better and get to the real source of the issue. why is she so angry with life - usually this is hiding something much deeper and often it is fear-based.

She may well be very scared. She doesn't know what the future holds. She knows she needs to do something with her life but what? It's easy to blame your ex - sure he's a loser but it doesn't mean to say you can't improve what you have with her, and also help her learn to self-regulate without exploding like she does.

I would ask for family counselling from a charity or possibly CAHMS, if there is any possibility though I know it's often long wait lists. if you pay privately make sure it's a very good therapist with a good track record. Far too many willing to take your money and offer very little tangible resutls.

If your DD is autistic, could I ask if you might be too? it is hereditary and there can be a lot of difficutly raising children when you are autistic yourself.

Many blind spots and zero to 100 anger from both sides means this sort of complete fall-out of a relationship where neither can compromise or see the other's side. You both need help. I would look at podcasts, YouTube, Amazon for help with this. There is a lot of free help out there about how to communicate better with each other. It will take time but there is definitely the possibility of change for both of you. Don't give up. It's good you asked for help. I'm sure even from this thread something will come of it. Keep asking for help. It's the very best thing you could do.

LurkyMcLurkinson · 21/06/2025 15:58

If your daughter won’t tolerate a conversation face to face I would text or write her a letter explaining that while you love her, you dislike her behaviour, which is abusive and cruel, and explaining how it makes you feel. Add that you assume that she must be desperately unhappy to treat someone so unkindly. Say after much thought you’ve therefore decided it’s time for her to move out as clearly neither of you are happy. Ask her if she would like you to speak to her father about moving there, to approach the council to tell them she is homeless and to see if there is a hostel she can live in or if she’d like help looking to rent a room from somewhere, such as with an older couple. At this point say she needs to consider which option would suit her best and that’ll you support her with any option, whether that support is packing bags, helping her apply for benefits, figuring out all her outgoings like gas, electric, WiFi, water, council tax, food, phone contract etc, or checking the rules of where she will live next. At this point it’s important that your comments about support highlight what she would really be signing up for (like living in a hostel and with strangers). she believes you are serious, otherwise it will be a pointless exercise. If she hasn’t had any consequences before she probably wont believe you and you must just tell her you’re done, you’ve reached your limit. She will then either pick an option, or announce things will change. If she picks an option then support her with that and move the process along as quickly as possible in case she gets cold feet. If she promises things will change say you’re willing to offer her a week to show that she can treat you more kindly and you can review how it’s going then. Tell her you understand that relationships aren’t always perfect and she might still get frustrated, feel overwhelmed etc, but there are some things you just will not tolerate, such as verbal abuse. any pushing etc. If she breaks your rules you will need to follow through on your plan. Call the police if she’s being abusive or pushing you and tell her this is the end of your living arrangement. The police are highly unlikely to take things further but it might give your daughter a wake up call. If her behaviour has improved you need to tell her you’re willing to extend your living arrangement for another week but it will be under strict review. While the above might sound harsh, she’s a young adult now and you’re doing her no favours in allowing her to behave this way, as she’s unlikely to be able to maintain friendships or romantic relationships or to be able to hold down a job, and she’ll likely end up in trouble with the police. If she is going to have any chance of a better future she needs to recognise that she operates in a world where she has to behave a certain way, regardless of the cause of her behaviour.

Summerseagulls · 21/06/2025 15:59

I'm diagnosed autistic and my boys .
I've never behaved like your daughter is doing
But my eldest son with autism and learning disabilities has done in the past .
Mainly when he was overwhelmed and burnt out
Once education was finished and he was back to having no demands on him ,he was easier to live with ..but he's never nice to live with .
He's currently extremely difficult with this heat and busy making my life a misery and annoying the dogs ,who have snapped at him twice .
Any way my advice..for what it's worth..
Stop parenting her ..just stop ..
No demands,let her live in filth.
I had to stop ,he would get so angry with any demand to wash and change clothes,I haven't been able to get in his bedroom for years .he's broke the wardrobe,the window frame .the bed frame..he has a metal
The entire house smells of him..he's not washed in months and months .
I have to buy shower in a can and things like that.
He doesn't work or leave the house .he had a social worker from 18 to 25 ,but he doesn't have one now .
You could try to involve social services,
But trying to get help is going to be difficult without a diagnosis .
That might be your best bet , getting the doctor to help with referral for autism assessment

NotTheRealStacy · 21/06/2025 15:59

I feel for you OP, I guarantee you are not a failure of a parent and I also guarantee that she doesn’t despise you. Children show their worst behaviour to the very person they feel safest around.

My son is autistic and he can go from telling me he hates me to sunshine and rainbows in the blink of an eye and I also find it very difficult to match the change of pace. What has helped me is realising that actually it’s not personal, they are feeling big feelings that they don’t know how to handle.

I would have a chat with her dad, ask can she stay with him for a couple of weeks, tell your daughter you need a reset on your relationship.

Take the time to clean her room and have a breather. When she comes back put simple boundaries in place.

Laundry day is Tuesday. Your clothes must be in the basket by then. We don’t eat upstairs. Etc. I choose my battles carefully, it is easier to pick up a cup myself than have a row over it but he absolutely must take his turn at dishes on his day day.

pinkstripeycat · 21/06/2025 16:00

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/06/2025 14:02

She sounds autistic?

There’s always that stupid excuse from someone.

I seriously doubt that all autistic people behave this way.