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I don't know how much longer I can parent my young adult DD

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 13:58

My DD is 18. I want to preface my post by saying that I love her. I want the best for her. She's talented and smart and funny. She's aspirational and interested in the world.

Life with my DD is unbearable most days. She's always been somewhat tricky , has control issues I would say, doesn't always connect well with other young people but does have a few close friends. She is a glass half empty sort of kid and while It's been hard at times , we stayed close and muddled through.

Fast forward to now and she's been studying hard A levels for the last two years. She has crashed and burned so badly that I do not recognise her.
She cannot tolerate even the smallest of requests from me , and I mean tiny ones like 'pick up your cup off the floor'. She is verbally abusive, says dreadful things about the kind of parent I am, and quotes long diatribes about being a toxic parent / she's going to go no contact when she's financially independent/hopes I rot in loneliness when I'm older.

It's just the two of us. Has been for a long time. She does see her Dad occasionally but he's a let-down on all fronts. She runs when he calls though, and I know that deep down so many of her issues are connected to him. Some days my life feels unbearable because for the last 2 years, I can't recall a single act of kindness that she has extended to me. She snarls when I speak, has taken to physically pushing me out of her way if I try to insist on a conversation, tells me to piss off/get out/ etc. my DD lives in squalor in her bedroom, I'm ashamed to say that it's so bad that it smells the entire upstairs. I tell her not to eat up there but she pushes past me and puts her headphones on to block me out. She is clean in herself but sometimes wears dirty clothes because she won't put them in the laundry basket but also won't let me in her room to take them out. She hardly leaves the house so entering her room anyway is not as easy as you'd think. She will physically push me out if I enter. Many, many times I've resorted to telling her that I cannot have her live here and act like this and she just snarls and says she won't be going anywhere.

My DD only interacts me to ask for lifts money or something else. She is escalating every week. There isn't a shred of her former kind self I can connect with , no matter how hard I try. I dream of selling my house and moving to a one bed flat that she can't come to. Believe me when I say that I feel like the mother she says I am, when I think this way.

I've tried to get her counselling. She won't go. She isn't going to university either. She does say she will get a job soon so that's something. I feel desperate most days

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Harry12345 · 23/06/2025 12:28

intheshallow · 23/06/2025 12:11

Yes very. Very chilled baby by the toddler years lasted a very long time. It went on for years. The tantrums lasted hours. I wasn't very good at managing them though. I would get wound up myself looking back. I could have done so much better at helping her to regulate. I was on my own with her but still, s he needed better.

That’s exactly what I went through and the only reason I knew something wasn’t right and it wasn’t my parenting is because I had older kids , if my youngest had been my only child I would’ve thought I was a failure, it’s so so hard

intheshallow · 23/06/2025 12:42

She was still having bug tantrums in public at 6-7yrs, it was hard for sure. She did settle though

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LadyLucyWells · 23/06/2025 13:01

'I am completely unable to meet her new calm energy and respond with fire. She feels justified at this point in her original behaviour and the cycle continues. '

This approach is not working. So I would stop doing that and break this cycle of drama. Take a deep breath in these situations and stay calm.

Engage as infrequently as possible. Don't initiate conversation (let her do that). Don't ask her to do anything (as you know the response will be negative or even abusive).

Sounds like there is a lot of anger and resentment with the world in her at the moment and being the closest one to her, unfortunately she is taking it all out on you.

You can fight drama with drama or you can choose to ignore drama and refuse to respond or engage. You are not a 'weak' parent at all because you have been standing up to her but it isn't working - and so often doesn't; it only prolongs, exacerbates and justifies the teenage anger. The less you give her to rebel against, the quicker she will come round.

Confuuzed · 23/06/2025 13:08

Literally everything in your latest posts screams autism. Extreme meltdowns when younger followed by masking as she got older, inability to cope when other people can't follow "the rules" (this is an interesting one, because when an autistic person learns to mask, they think they have it all figured out and they think they know where they stand, and then someone else breaks the rules. The autistic person thought they understood, so it can be incredibly destabilising to their sense of the world and society. Her taking it SO personally/like a moral failing ties into this and the autistic sense of injustice. It's not just someone making a mistake - it can feel devastating), sensory issues around food. You said before you didn't think she was demand avoidant - that's more than likely what the meltdowns were when she was smaller. Now she's been masking for years, it's got too much and all exploded , she can't contain it anymore. So she's burnt out.

It's not too late to sort this, but it's going to take both of you. If she won't get on board, then there is stuff you can do - going low demand might allow you to detach somewhat from her behaviour which will help you anyway.

AmyDuPlantier · 23/06/2025 13:29

Aguinnessplease · 21/06/2025 17:20

It’s not autism. You , nor she are alone - there are countless other teenagers with similar troubled behaviour, and it’s getting worse. Gen Z entitled culture, Covid fall out, Social media impact on self esteem, I’m not exactly sure what’s at the root cause, but you’ve not done much wrong directly. This is a growing problem, this I know.

Wow, it’s amazing you can tell that from one Mumsnet thread. You could have saved me £4000 going through the diagnosis process for my (very very similar) daughter.

Your ignorance is perhaps understandable if you don’t have an autistic child, but you should be grateful for that, and maybe have a think about how that allows you to live on a high horse.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 23/06/2025 14:45

This. Time for him to step up. She can either reset her behaviours with him if she's capable or address the issues.

Honestly, I'd pack her a bag, change the locks and hand her a train ticket for a summer holiday at her Dads. No discussion. She can take it or leave it.

Then tackle her room, get your house and some headspace back and decide how your relationship is going to work going forward.

DrCoconut · 23/06/2025 14:45

@Newnamesameme PDA immediately came to mind for me too

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 23/06/2025 17:01

She won't engage with therapy until she feels safe or desperate enough to do so.

I'd leave that for a while until things are calmer

Trouble is as parents when we first enter this state we are desperate to fix. Desperately trying to get them slotted back in. Screaming internally. What will become of them will they get exams get jobs etc etc plus feeling judged by society.

If those of us with lived experience are correct you need to go back to basics.

She is a like a newborn and needs warmth love and food. That's all she can cope with right now.

If we are right things will start to improve. However slow and it's painful and is not linear.

Feel free to post on this thread whenever you need to vent or cry or update.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 23/06/2025 17:02

Also my dd admitted to me she couldn't revise and didn't for her GCSEs

She passed them. Some very high grades but didn't revise!!

I was astounded

Fleetheart · 23/06/2025 17:19

@intheshallow how are you doing today? So many responses, there are so many teens who seem to have trouble. But I really get it - when you are on your own it is just so difficult and so hard to know what the right thing is. I think there have been some nice considered suggestions, and I guess there is no harm if you have the money in speaking to a psychologist yourself. Camhs is all very well but the waiting lists are just too long. Whether it's PDA or whether it's something else it would be useful to understand what is the best way for you to react. Wishing you all the best and solidarity...

Delphinium20 · 23/06/2025 17:55

She is pretty scathing about adults in her world for example who have fallen short of ' proper' behaviour.

Teens are pretty self-focused, but this speaks to a complete lack of understanding irony. Her own behavior is so bad, but she doesn't seem appalled by it! I don't mean this in a snarky way, I feel so much for what you're going through. She can treat you poorly, but she is off the hook? How is that moral? She can also control the behavior around others, so it's not like a child with a disability who lashes out regardless of social prohibition.

Does she have a difficulty understanding jokes that involve self-deprecation? If one can't self-reflect or see irony or even humor in contradictions, I've noticed people with that trait sometimes fall under an autism bucket. TBF, I don't necessarily believe in autism as a specific diagnosis...there are a collection of unrelated traits and many seem to contradict (and there's no physical marker like there is for cancer, diabetes) and professionals admit they decided to organize them into an autism category, so there is a good argument that autism is it just a variation of human behavior.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter because her behavior needs to change regardless. If it can't, I hate to see you suffer for years in her orbit. I agree w/ PP that rewarding her in the good times isn't helpful to you or her. You're teaching her she can abuse people until they are willing to take any crumbs she offers, which are only ever self-serving. That's not a healthy relationship and I'd be worried she was doing this in more sophisticated ways with her friends. Or, worse, that she would accept this behavior directed toward her from a partner.

BruFord · 23/06/2025 18:03

Harry12345 · 23/06/2025 10:00

Oh my goodness, she’s obviously tried this repeatedly over the years! Do you seriously think her demanding an apology from her daughter will make her daughter apologise now at this age and that she doesn’t attempt this and is so worn down? People really have no idea of living either this kind of behaviour.

@Harry12345 Fair enough. Given the OP’s updates though, I’m now more concerned that she reaches out to her GP for help for herself.

She is being seriously abused - her description of having to lock herself in her bedroom and cry while her DD hounds her is terrifying.

Her DD is several decades younger and stronger, she could seriously injure her Mum if her verbal abuse escalates into violence. I know that my DD (20) could seriously injure me (50), she’s taller, far stronger, and can easily pick me up, for example.

I appreciate that posters are trying to help the OP understand what might be happening with her DD, but her own safety must come first. I think that she needs to confide the extent of the abuse to her GP so that they can hopefully be prioritized for help. Otherwise she could end up in hospital.

@HeBeaverandSheBeaver Your approach may be the right one, but the OP needs to ensure her own safety first. If a partner were abusing her like this, everyone would be urging her to tell people and get help. This is no different.

shrewdasserpentsinnocentasdoves · 23/06/2025 18:24

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 21/06/2025 14:02

She sounds autistic?

Why? Do all the autistic people you know behave like this? That is certainly not my experience.

Why can't people behave shitty without soneone suggesting there must be undiagnosed neurodoversity?

intheshallow · 23/06/2025 18:29

BruFord · 23/06/2025 18:03

@Harry12345 Fair enough. Given the OP’s updates though, I’m now more concerned that she reaches out to her GP for help for herself.

She is being seriously abused - her description of having to lock herself in her bedroom and cry while her DD hounds her is terrifying.

Her DD is several decades younger and stronger, she could seriously injure her Mum if her verbal abuse escalates into violence. I know that my DD (20) could seriously injure me (50), she’s taller, far stronger, and can easily pick me up, for example.

I appreciate that posters are trying to help the OP understand what might be happening with her DD, but her own safety must come first. I think that she needs to confide the extent of the abuse to her GP so that they can hopefully be prioritized for help. Otherwise she could end up in hospital.

@HeBeaverandSheBeaver Your approach may be the right one, but the OP needs to ensure her own safety first. If a partner were abusing her like this, everyone would be urging her to tell people and get help. This is no different.

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I've never been afraid of violence from my DD. Ever. Her pushing is completely wrong but it's bolshy belligerent pushing past me and edging me out of her room, not physically strking me. I'm not at all concerned she will be violent. I don't really want this thread heading in that direction. It's just not reflective of where I am.

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intheshallow · 23/06/2025 18:34

Delphinium20 · 23/06/2025 17:55

She is pretty scathing about adults in her world for example who have fallen short of ' proper' behaviour.

Teens are pretty self-focused, but this speaks to a complete lack of understanding irony. Her own behavior is so bad, but she doesn't seem appalled by it! I don't mean this in a snarky way, I feel so much for what you're going through. She can treat you poorly, but she is off the hook? How is that moral? She can also control the behavior around others, so it's not like a child with a disability who lashes out regardless of social prohibition.

Does she have a difficulty understanding jokes that involve self-deprecation? If one can't self-reflect or see irony or even humor in contradictions, I've noticed people with that trait sometimes fall under an autism bucket. TBF, I don't necessarily believe in autism as a specific diagnosis...there are a collection of unrelated traits and many seem to contradict (and there's no physical marker like there is for cancer, diabetes) and professionals admit they decided to organize them into an autism category, so there is a good argument that autism is it just a variation of human behavior.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter because her behavior needs to change regardless. If it can't, I hate to see you suffer for years in her orbit. I agree w/ PP that rewarding her in the good times isn't helpful to you or her. You're teaching her she can abuse people until they are willing to take any crumbs she offers, which are only ever self-serving. That's not a healthy relationship and I'd be worried she was doing this in more sophisticated ways with her friends. Or, worse, that she would accept this behavior directed toward her from a partner.

She's never had a problem with the nuance of humour. She's brilliantly funny and sarcastic herself and while I wouldn't say she's self depricating, I do think she is low on self esteem as she's pretty timid socially. She holds adults to a pretty high standard yeah, ironically. For me it's not that the mistakes she is scathing about haven't occured , it's more that she attaches more significance to them that is , I think, proportionate. I also think I don't see other young people moralising quite so much about stuff in the way she does. It's a bit Mary Whitehouse sometimes 🤣

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BruFord · 23/06/2025 18:38

intheshallow · 23/06/2025 18:29

I've never been afraid of violence from my DD. Ever. Her pushing is completely wrong but it's bolshy belligerent pushing past me and edging me out of her room, not physically strking me. I'm not at all concerned she will be violent. I don't really want this thread heading in that direction. It's just not reflective of where I am.

@intheshallow Ok, but you do know that if a partner were treating you like this, everyone would be urging to you to confide in someone and warning that verbal abuse can escalate.

I’m sorry to be so blunt and I truly hope that’s not the case with your DD, but hounding you until you lock yourself in your room is very serious. Please tell someone IRL what’s happening, because your welfare is important too. 💐

Delphinium20 · 23/06/2025 18:47

She holds adults to a pretty high standard yeah, ironically. For me it's not that the mistakes she is scathing about haven't occured , it's more that she attaches more significance to them that is , I think, proportionate. I also think I don't see other young people moralising quite so much about stuff in the way she does.

Some of that does sound like the age, of course. You know EVERYTHING at 18, and then at 30, you realize how much you didn't know and that your parents were saints putting up w/ you. But if her moralizing is more extreme than her peers, is there a way to point that out? Like, "Hey, no need to get this upset over something minor. Save it for the big stuff." But, I'm sure you've tried that...A job might help point it out - like other adults showing her not to get upset over little things.

intheshallow · 23/06/2025 18:47

BruFord · 23/06/2025 18:38

@intheshallow Ok, but you do know that if a partner were treating you like this, everyone would be urging to you to confide in someone and warning that verbal abuse can escalate.

I’m sorry to be so blunt and I truly hope that’s not the case with your DD, but hounding you until you lock yourself in your room is very serious. Please tell someone IRL what’s happening, because your welfare is important too. 💐

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Yes it's true she hounds me if I say no. It doesn't happen as much as it used to but when it does it's not good. At all.

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intheshallow · 23/06/2025 18:50

Delphinium20 · 23/06/2025 18:47

She holds adults to a pretty high standard yeah, ironically. For me it's not that the mistakes she is scathing about haven't occured , it's more that she attaches more significance to them that is , I think, proportionate. I also think I don't see other young people moralising quite so much about stuff in the way she does.

Some of that does sound like the age, of course. You know EVERYTHING at 18, and then at 30, you realize how much you didn't know and that your parents were saints putting up w/ you. But if her moralizing is more extreme than her peers, is there a way to point that out? Like, "Hey, no need to get this upset over something minor. Save it for the big stuff." But, I'm sure you've tried that...A job might help point it out - like other adults showing her not to get upset over little things.

Yes I agree a job will help in so so many ways. Not just in taking instructions form other adults and having another frame of reference for how people live ( she's adamant she's hard done to by me ) but also to be less upright about humans in general and their shortcomings. It's not so much that she gets upset about it , than is scathing and critical. Like my sister with the smoking. You'd think she'd killed someone

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BruFord · 23/06/2025 19:07

@intheshallow It’s amazing how getting into the outside world can change young adults’ perceptions of their home life. My DD’s been at uni for two years and seems to have a far higher opinion of DH and I nowadays!

Delphinium20 · 23/06/2025 19:13

My DD1 attended high school (we're in the US, so ages 14-18) in a school with a diverse group of kids...many with truly abusive homes who'd moved into foster care, or w/ parents w/ addictions. It gave her a sense of comparison in that she would go on and on about what wonderful parents she had (she's an outlier as a teen in this regard). I truly don't think we are (DH is a functioning alcoholic, for one, and we both work truly long hours). But in juxtaposition to violence, finding strange adults sleeping on the couch, a parent disappearing for a time, not having any clean clothes at age 6, 7, 8 and needing school interventions, yeah, then we're angels, I guess.

On the flip side: Youngest DD went to a high school in a wealthier school district, and despite DH and I being on better financial footing, she had teen complaints about DH and myself all the time. Like complaining it's not a real beach holiday when we drive to Florida, rather than fly to the Caribbean every spring.

Teens are extremely influenced by their peers and social media. Your DD sounds like she's been fed a diet of 'toxic parents' based on social media algorithms...DD2 went through that phase and it's obnoxious af. While we're thrilled DD2 wasn't experiencing daily violence in the school hallways like DD1, DD2 doesn't have that same understanding DD1 has of how bad life is for many people.

intheshallow · 23/06/2025 19:55

Delphinium20 · 23/06/2025 19:13

My DD1 attended high school (we're in the US, so ages 14-18) in a school with a diverse group of kids...many with truly abusive homes who'd moved into foster care, or w/ parents w/ addictions. It gave her a sense of comparison in that she would go on and on about what wonderful parents she had (she's an outlier as a teen in this regard). I truly don't think we are (DH is a functioning alcoholic, for one, and we both work truly long hours). But in juxtaposition to violence, finding strange adults sleeping on the couch, a parent disappearing for a time, not having any clean clothes at age 6, 7, 8 and needing school interventions, yeah, then we're angels, I guess.

On the flip side: Youngest DD went to a high school in a wealthier school district, and despite DH and I being on better financial footing, she had teen complaints about DH and myself all the time. Like complaining it's not a real beach holiday when we drive to Florida, rather than fly to the Caribbean every spring.

Teens are extremely influenced by their peers and social media. Your DD sounds like she's been fed a diet of 'toxic parents' based on social media algorithms...DD2 went through that phase and it's obnoxious af. While we're thrilled DD2 wasn't experiencing daily violence in the school hallways like DD1, DD2 doesn't have that same understanding DD1 has of how bad life is for many people.

Honestly the bilge they're being fed about toxic parents/abusive childhoods/going no contact when they're done needing our money is truly sickening, and all from unqualified Instagrammers who make money based on delivering sermons about a subject they know nothing about. My DD uses therapy speak to describe an abusive and toxic world she absolutely does not live in.

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Lins77 · 23/06/2025 20:30

Totally agree that a job could very well make a difference. My DD got a part-time service industry job at 16, and it did her a world of good, learning to deal with people (and having to be polite to them 😂) and take instruction without kicking off.

Lins77 · 23/06/2025 20:36

Delphinium20 · 23/06/2025 19:13

My DD1 attended high school (we're in the US, so ages 14-18) in a school with a diverse group of kids...many with truly abusive homes who'd moved into foster care, or w/ parents w/ addictions. It gave her a sense of comparison in that she would go on and on about what wonderful parents she had (she's an outlier as a teen in this regard). I truly don't think we are (DH is a functioning alcoholic, for one, and we both work truly long hours). But in juxtaposition to violence, finding strange adults sleeping on the couch, a parent disappearing for a time, not having any clean clothes at age 6, 7, 8 and needing school interventions, yeah, then we're angels, I guess.

On the flip side: Youngest DD went to a high school in a wealthier school district, and despite DH and I being on better financial footing, she had teen complaints about DH and myself all the time. Like complaining it's not a real beach holiday when we drive to Florida, rather than fly to the Caribbean every spring.

Teens are extremely influenced by their peers and social media. Your DD sounds like she's been fed a diet of 'toxic parents' based on social media algorithms...DD2 went through that phase and it's obnoxious af. While we're thrilled DD2 wasn't experiencing daily violence in the school hallways like DD1, DD2 doesn't have that same understanding DD1 has of how bad life is for many people.

Mine got heavily into a certain genre of music aged about 11/12 (puberty hit early and hard) and it encouraged a lot of ideas about how awful everything was (particularly parents) and how nobody understood her 🤦‍♀️

Luckily the height of that stage didn't last too long.

AmyDuPlantier · 23/06/2025 21:27

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 23/06/2025 17:01

She won't engage with therapy until she feels safe or desperate enough to do so.

I'd leave that for a while until things are calmer

Trouble is as parents when we first enter this state we are desperate to fix. Desperately trying to get them slotted back in. Screaming internally. What will become of them will they get exams get jobs etc etc plus feeling judged by society.

If those of us with lived experience are correct you need to go back to basics.

She is a like a newborn and needs warmth love and food. That's all she can cope with right now.

If we are right things will start to improve. However slow and it's painful and is not linear.

Feel free to post on this thread whenever you need to vent or cry or update.

Oh, absolutely this. My daughter didn’t go to school for about 18 months. I was terrified for her and for her future.

But in that time…she learned that we are her safe people. If she feels unsafe, she knows we’re not going anywhere. That helped so much.

She’s back at school now and completely amazing and calm and smart and kind and funny and all the things I still knew she was underneath.

Pushing gets you nowhere.

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