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I don't know how much longer I can parent my young adult DD

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intheshallow · 21/06/2025 13:58

My DD is 18. I want to preface my post by saying that I love her. I want the best for her. She's talented and smart and funny. She's aspirational and interested in the world.

Life with my DD is unbearable most days. She's always been somewhat tricky , has control issues I would say, doesn't always connect well with other young people but does have a few close friends. She is a glass half empty sort of kid and while It's been hard at times , we stayed close and muddled through.

Fast forward to now and she's been studying hard A levels for the last two years. She has crashed and burned so badly that I do not recognise her.
She cannot tolerate even the smallest of requests from me , and I mean tiny ones like 'pick up your cup off the floor'. She is verbally abusive, says dreadful things about the kind of parent I am, and quotes long diatribes about being a toxic parent / she's going to go no contact when she's financially independent/hopes I rot in loneliness when I'm older.

It's just the two of us. Has been for a long time. She does see her Dad occasionally but he's a let-down on all fronts. She runs when he calls though, and I know that deep down so many of her issues are connected to him. Some days my life feels unbearable because for the last 2 years, I can't recall a single act of kindness that she has extended to me. She snarls when I speak, has taken to physically pushing me out of her way if I try to insist on a conversation, tells me to piss off/get out/ etc. my DD lives in squalor in her bedroom, I'm ashamed to say that it's so bad that it smells the entire upstairs. I tell her not to eat up there but she pushes past me and puts her headphones on to block me out. She is clean in herself but sometimes wears dirty clothes because she won't put them in the laundry basket but also won't let me in her room to take them out. She hardly leaves the house so entering her room anyway is not as easy as you'd think. She will physically push me out if I enter. Many, many times I've resorted to telling her that I cannot have her live here and act like this and she just snarls and says she won't be going anywhere.

My DD only interacts me to ask for lifts money or something else. She is escalating every week. There isn't a shred of her former kind self I can connect with , no matter how hard I try. I dream of selling my house and moving to a one bed flat that she can't come to. Believe me when I say that I feel like the mother she says I am, when I think this way.

I've tried to get her counselling. She won't go. She isn't going to university either. She does say she will get a job soon so that's something. I feel desperate most days

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 22/06/2025 21:24

DeepRubySwan · 22/06/2025 20:56

"Nobody said autism and pda is a get out of jail free card. It's merely an attempt to explain what could be going on, so the op can actually try and find some method which might help. which i should think it's a lot more helpful than "kick her out and never have anything to do with her again."

And NOBODY in this thread is qualified to diagnose this adult with Autism based on a few descriptions from OP. She needs a psychological or psychiatric assessment. The squalor and aggressive behaviour is concerning. I think this alone would mean it is prioritised. Please try to get this happening OP. Talk to your GP even if she won't.

I think people are just suggesting it as an option. Not diagnosing it.

Confuuzed · 22/06/2025 21:46

DeepRubySwan · 22/06/2025 20:56

"Nobody said autism and pda is a get out of jail free card. It's merely an attempt to explain what could be going on, so the op can actually try and find some method which might help. which i should think it's a lot more helpful than "kick her out and never have anything to do with her again."

And NOBODY in this thread is qualified to diagnose this adult with Autism based on a few descriptions from OP. She needs a psychological or psychiatric assessment. The squalor and aggressive behaviour is concerning. I think this alone would mean it is prioritised. Please try to get this happening OP. Talk to your GP even if she won't.

Right.... So, nobody is trying to diagnose her and it's pretty fucking obvious nobody is qualified to do so here. None of us said we were. If nobody suggested autism/pda as a possibility, and the thread was entirely full of "kick her out/cut her off" then why would op think it was an avenue worth exploring and trying to get that assessment that you agree she needs?

Honestly why is everyone SO upset that we are talking about autism being a possibility on a thread about a young woman that is very clearly not typical?

TALKING about something is not the same as DIAGNOSING it.

DeepRubySwan · 23/06/2025 00:09

Confuuzed · 22/06/2025 21:46

Right.... So, nobody is trying to diagnose her and it's pretty fucking obvious nobody is qualified to do so here. None of us said we were. If nobody suggested autism/pda as a possibility, and the thread was entirely full of "kick her out/cut her off" then why would op think it was an avenue worth exploring and trying to get that assessment that you agree she needs?

Honestly why is everyone SO upset that we are talking about autism being a possibility on a thread about a young woman that is very clearly not typical?

TALKING about something is not the same as DIAGNOSING it.

It is not simply being suggested as a diagnostic possibility. You know that as well as I do. And quite frankly is not even the most likely diagnosis here. I would be more worried about mental illness not a developmental difference which is what ASD is. Literally every second thread is banging on about ND and ASD. This person needs an urgent psychological assessment. That's the responsible advice which I AM qualified to provide, in fact.

vickylou78 · 23/06/2025 00:35

What happens if you try to connect with her in a nice way? For example what would she do if you said let's go out for a coffee? Or to the Cinema or something? Would she react well? Would she go? What happens when you pay her a compliment? Or congratulate her on doing something well etc.? Does she respond nicely and engage with you,? I'm just wondering is she trying to get attention from this bad behaviours? Could she be crying out for positive interactions?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 23/06/2025 02:08

DeepRubySwan · 23/06/2025 00:09

It is not simply being suggested as a diagnostic possibility. You know that as well as I do. And quite frankly is not even the most likely diagnosis here. I would be more worried about mental illness not a developmental difference which is what ASD is. Literally every second thread is banging on about ND and ASD. This person needs an urgent psychological assessment. That's the responsible advice which I AM qualified to provide, in fact.

It’s only an internet forum. People can say what they like,

Slatterndisgrace · 23/06/2025 02:42

intheshallow · 21/06/2025 14:50

We are in an awful cycle of her being horrible to me, then approaching me calmly an hour later to ask me for something. I am completely unable to meet her new calm energy and respond with fire. She feels justified at this point in her original behaviour and the cycle continues. My DD has not reflected or apologised to me for a single unkind act in years and the idea that I could ever ' sit her down' to talk about anything is laudable but not realistic. She would not ever tolerate ' sitting down' for any kind of talk from me.

She isn’t going to change so your response to her has to, hard as it is. Currently, it’s a vicious circle. She will be expecting your response and manipulating the situation.

Slatterndisgrace · 23/06/2025 02:54

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 23/06/2025 02:08

It’s only an internet forum. People can say what they like,

It is and they can but the OP is feeling pretty desperate.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 23/06/2025 03:16

Slatterndisgrace · 23/06/2025 02:54

It is and they can but the OP is feeling pretty desperate.

Indeed. So people can offer what advice they have. Much of it about living with ND young adults.

It doesn’t have to be ‘diagnosed’ or an ’armchair diagnosis’ it’s just people’s opinions and lived experiences.

So they can offer advice freely.

SatsumaDog · 23/06/2025 07:37

I have to say op that you are way more caring towards your daughter than I think I could ever be under the same circumstances. You are really trying to find a way forward with her. I hope you manage to work your way through to a happier situation.

SapphireSeptember · 23/06/2025 07:37

Alltheyellowbirds · 21/06/2025 15:11

Agreed. Horrible. She clesrky very troubled and in need of help. And though 18 is technically an adult, it really isn’t.

But it is old enough to know better. She's nice to OP when she wants something!

@intheshallow You are not a shit mum, but you are being abused. Just because your daughter hasn't hit you yet doesn't mean it's not abuse! There was a thread recently about a woman who's 13 year old son was barging past her when she was in the kitchen and her husband went ballistic at him.

I really really hate how autism is trotted out as an excuse for vile behaviour on Mumsnet. Maybe this young woman does have autism, but that knowledge isn't going to help OP being bullied by her daughter.

SapphireSeptember · 23/06/2025 07:40

EasyTouch · 21/06/2025 14:36

How does your online diagnosis confront the issue of the OP suffering domestic abuse from her daughter?

It doesn't. I'm autistic and I was severely depressed when I was a teenager. I somehow managed to not be vile to my mum (and then be nice when I wanted stuff.) I wonder if this was an 18 year old man the answers would be different?

minnienono · 23/06/2025 07:47

Whether she meets the diagnosis of autism or not is almost irrelevant, it’s practical help op needs.

your dd sounds like mine. I let it slip until after a levels finished then we went away for a week (planned) on return it was a case of bin bags, washing basket etc and spent a full weekend clearing out her room before decorating it - she kept it better with far less contents for starters. I gave it til September and then made her sign on for uc, she was refused as the work coach said she needed to claim esa instead as had support needs, the form for that was even worse and the thought of the whole work ready meetings got her to apply for jobs - she got one in McDonald’s who were great (bear in mind they are franchises so branches vary) loads of support and within weeks she was a supervisor though this actual hard work spurred her on the apply for university for the following year.

a levels were the lowest point and things did get easier

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 23/06/2025 07:53

I think autism too. My dd was burnt out at 17 Could NOT Cope with school and is demand avoidant. We had a really tough year but once diagnosed she has slowly improved her mental health and our relationship got much better.
However you are entitled to be firm.

I say things like

No im not able to do that. Your not the boss of me etc

Please dont talk to me in that way and walk away. Then she generally calms out and becomes more normal.

If she has mentioned it I feel a diagnosis would benefit all of you however wait lists are
Long and private expensive

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 23/06/2025 07:58

No one is saying her behaviour is an excuse for autism. But understanding her better may explain and unpick her behaviour.

She doesn't hate you op. She is very unhappy and your her safe person

I bet she doesn't act this way for anyone else????

I'm my dd safe person and it can be exhausting but now we are very close and she tells me things which never used to happen.

estrogone · 23/06/2025 08:10

intheshallow · 22/06/2025 19:29

Please can I ask that I am not misquoted in the posts I've made. I really want to learn a way forward and get better in my own communication style but never did I say I meet my daughter's attempts to reconnect with silence. I've been around MN for a long time and I have to say that I find this to be somewhat of a frustration on threads where posters are taken out of context. I said I find it hard to bounce back and meet my dd where she wants to be met. Which is at ground zero with no mention whatsoever of what's just gone before. I will call her out at that point, often refuse point blank to do the thing she's asking me to do , because , yeah , I dont much feel like chatting about that new top she's looking at , or can you help me find my shoes when I've just been called a shit mother half an hour before. I do not give her the silent treatment.
Where I will give the silent treatment, if you want to use that term, is when I'm being hounded from room to room when I've said no to something, and my DD can't accept my no. Won't accept my no, and so will pursue and hound me around the house haranguing me and shouting and cornering me until I cry. Sometimes I have to lock myself inside my bedroom and she's outside it persisting with the thing she's asking for. When that happens , I go silent yes.

I feel your frustration on this one. It is so infuriating when somebody deliberately latches on to something, misinterprets it and then derails the conversation. It's almost like it's deliberate.

FWIW - you were very clear on the supposed "silent treatment". I would call it not engaging with a bully - you are doing the right thing by not endorsing your DDs behaviour when she is following and hounding you.

Ignore the deliberate attempts to misunderstand 💐

Edited: spelling mistake

WindySkiesAtNight · 23/06/2025 08:25

It does sound like has read some stuff online.

I wouldn't over analyse it- just think what an 18 year old needs - structure, ability to make mistakes - be firm, adrress direct abuse, set deadlines.

If you have it within your financial means, possibly some CBT therapy or family therapy.

I also personally believe (totally unfounded scientifically - never looked into it) that energy intake helps a lot I.e. enough calories from healthy sources and regular meal times. There is some evidence of a mediterranean diet helping AdHd so am not sure if same applied with ASd. That's just my personal experience of how much easier things feel and less avoidant I am when I am fuelled adequately (I have adhd and possible asd). The brain is still developing and growing until age 30.

Divaprincess · 23/06/2025 08:46

Sounds awful. I can imagine that my youngest son may be like this one day but we're trying our best. He's currently been diagnosed with ADHD and autism so we're looking at medication to try and regulate that which will help massively. whenever we have a bad spell with him everything gets removed pocket money phone iPad console with strip his room back to nothing. I wonder whether it is something on the spectrum because he is also very unclean hygienically and his room . he doesn't seem to be bothered either sometimes he smells but he won't wear deodorant. He'll happily wear clothes out of the wash basket! I think in your situation given that she's an adult I'll take everything away, getting that room clean it strip it back to nothing and also stop giving any lifts, not pay for phone et cetera until she can show some basic respect. Bring things back gradually take away equally as quick if it happens again. It does work eventually it's tiring. You go on constantly and go through the tantrums but always get there in the end with some persistence.

MaryGreenhill · 23/06/2025 08:46

I just wanted to say how sorry l am that you are being treated like this @intheshallow. To me, you are being verbally , mentally and physically abused daily and this is not on . No amount of abuse is ok .
I think you need to get help for yourself to be able to cope with your DD because your daughter is not going to change imho her behaviour is very abusive towards you and the only thing that can change ATM is you .
Bless you and good luck 🤞 🙏 💐

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 23/06/2025 09:20

I really really hate how autism is trotted out as an excuse for vile behaviour on Mumsnet. Maybe this young woman does have autism, but that knowledge isn't going to help OP being bullied by her daughter

But it will! She could start to parent and understand her like an ASD child. This could change everything.

Do you have nd relatives?

intheshallow · 23/06/2025 09:22

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 23/06/2025 07:58

No one is saying her behaviour is an excuse for autism. But understanding her better may explain and unpick her behaviour.

She doesn't hate you op. She is very unhappy and your her safe person

I bet she doesn't act this way for anyone else????

I'm my dd safe person and it can be exhausting but now we are very close and she tells me things which never used to happen.

Correct. She doesn't act like this at all for anyone else. But then we don't have much family around and she hardly sees her dad. He isn't interested in hearing any of this stuff and has made it clear he won't get involved with it because he doesn't see it. My DD knows this and so he can't be used as leverage.

We have good days. Someone asked earlier what happens if I compliment her or say nice things. I often say nice things and she seems to like this , which is good. I also offer to take her out regularly. Probably more than once a week I offer , usually to eat out or cinema. Recently she has been refusing because of exams which is fair enough but often she will say yes , as long as it's to a place of her liking. My DD has a what I think is a pretty limited palate for her age , and so only has one or two places that she would agree to come along to really. I don't quite know if I'm right about that though as she likes the typical McDonalds and pizza that other kids like so it's not that unusual. She won't eat things like Sunday dinners, or sauces ,etc. And wet foods are usually pushed around the plate.

The good days are usually something along the lines of her being civil and chatty and asking to go to her favourite expensive coffee shop. It's never to cuddle up or watch telly or go for a walk. It's always, always something involving spending money but again I don't know if that's especially unusual at her age. She will say , do you want to go to xx for a coffee? And it does make me chuckle because she isn't actually asking to go there to hang out with me, it's because she wants one of her £8 drinks and needs me to pay for it 🤣. That being said , most of the time I'll take whatever offers to socialise I can get and usually say yes.
The good days keep me going. I am guilty of softening very very quicky in these days , 'forgetting' the verbal batterings or the day before , and it's in these days that I tend to agree to stuff or book stuff or make gestures in an attempt to keep reconnecting. For example book a trip away for us to a place she said she wants to go , or pay for her and a mate to eat out. Almost every time I come to regret it because these gestures don't carry us forward in any way I'm hoping. They have no impact on her. She will continue as normal in spite of them.
Perhaps strangely, my DD still loves to come on holiday with me. She loves the sun and to relax but even on holiday the behaviour is there and so I have come to dread them. i don't want to go this year and she is disappointed about that.

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intheshallow · 23/06/2025 09:30

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 23/06/2025 09:20

I really really hate how autism is trotted out as an excuse for vile behaviour on Mumsnet. Maybe this young woman does have autism, but that knowledge isn't going to help OP being bullied by her daughter

But it will! She could start to parent and understand her like an ASD child. This could change everything.

Do you have nd relatives?

We don't have any ND in the family that I can recall. She sometimes jokes/ makes remarks that she knows she has traits. I will try to raise it with her.
Honestly for me the single biggest thing that upsets me is how lacking in empathy my DD is. She is unmoved by my upset or even tears if I'm pushed too far. She makes comments about me being a narcissistic victim if I show emotion at her behaviour. She is definitely reading stuff on social media about this because how else could a teenager possibly talk lol that? The good side of that though, is that she is also clearly reading stuff that is positive , as she is aware of the world news and is passionate about what's right and wrong and is developing feminist principles etc. I do try to talk to her about her behaviour towards me as a woman being actually anti feminist but we aren't quite there yet in her understanding of that.

I've been inconsistent in my boundaries and I know it's lead us here. I need to sort this out.

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intheshallow · 23/06/2025 09:46

By the way she reached puberty quite late. This has definitely had an impact. I see the difference in her and some of her classmates in terms of maturity and it's stark. The impact that A level study has had on her has been , I would say, absolutely awful. It has been to the detrimental of her social life , well being and even hygiene. It's been hard to say which of these are teenage/puberty related , which are stress related or which are possible ND related. I just don't know. But I do know that she has not coped with this level of study and the fact she doesn't want to take it further right now is actually a relief. It's not for her. No level of study should cost this.

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imip · 23/06/2025 09:46

Her approach to food certainly makes autism seem even more likely. Any other sensory triggers?

How she responds to you without empathy - she may not really understand how to respond. Social norms may confuse her, there may be other communication difficulties. I can only understand these through the years spent observing my children.

I know 50% of people here are getting mad when people with lived experience say autism. However, dh and I have siblings who have bipolar and schizophrenia. Mental health across our siblings is terrible, these siblings don’t work and have very depressing lives. Slowly, they are starting to be diagnosed with autism. Autism doesn’t mean poor mental health, though it certainly can lead to it if it is not well understood (or, sadly, even if it is). This is why posters are suggesting this, because they can see the poor mental health and life outcomes that can happen when it is not recognised or supported

CarefulN0w · 23/06/2025 09:50

This article isn’t an easy read for those of us with ND children, but I suspect most of us can identify with what can be possible impacts of unrecognised and unsupported conditions.

The goal for OP and her DD needs to be positive health and wellbeing for both of them. Kicking a vulnerable teen out won’t achieve that aim. The right support and practising new communication strategies might.

My brother died at 33 — what I wish I’d known

https://www.thetimes.com/article/92a0f28c-42d6-4983-a1c7-15e4f0d70ff1?shareToken=e4df0bedc177ae7df2736b1846fe2ecb

My brother died at 33 — what I wish I’d known

Her son’s autism diagnosis made Georgina Fuller reassess her late brother’s mental health issues

https://www.thetimes.com/article/92a0f28c-42d6-4983-a1c7-15e4f0d70ff1?shareToken=e4df0bedc177ae7df2736b1846fe2ecb

Harry12345 · 23/06/2025 09:51

intheshallow · 23/06/2025 09:22

Correct. She doesn't act like this at all for anyone else. But then we don't have much family around and she hardly sees her dad. He isn't interested in hearing any of this stuff and has made it clear he won't get involved with it because he doesn't see it. My DD knows this and so he can't be used as leverage.

We have good days. Someone asked earlier what happens if I compliment her or say nice things. I often say nice things and she seems to like this , which is good. I also offer to take her out regularly. Probably more than once a week I offer , usually to eat out or cinema. Recently she has been refusing because of exams which is fair enough but often she will say yes , as long as it's to a place of her liking. My DD has a what I think is a pretty limited palate for her age , and so only has one or two places that she would agree to come along to really. I don't quite know if I'm right about that though as she likes the typical McDonalds and pizza that other kids like so it's not that unusual. She won't eat things like Sunday dinners, or sauces ,etc. And wet foods are usually pushed around the plate.

The good days are usually something along the lines of her being civil and chatty and asking to go to her favourite expensive coffee shop. It's never to cuddle up or watch telly or go for a walk. It's always, always something involving spending money but again I don't know if that's especially unusual at her age. She will say , do you want to go to xx for a coffee? And it does make me chuckle because she isn't actually asking to go there to hang out with me, it's because she wants one of her £8 drinks and needs me to pay for it 🤣. That being said , most of the time I'll take whatever offers to socialise I can get and usually say yes.
The good days keep me going. I am guilty of softening very very quicky in these days , 'forgetting' the verbal batterings or the day before , and it's in these days that I tend to agree to stuff or book stuff or make gestures in an attempt to keep reconnecting. For example book a trip away for us to a place she said she wants to go , or pay for her and a mate to eat out. Almost every time I come to regret it because these gestures don't carry us forward in any way I'm hoping. They have no impact on her. She will continue as normal in spite of them.
Perhaps strangely, my DD still loves to come on holiday with me. She loves the sun and to relax but even on holiday the behaviour is there and so I have come to dread them. i don't want to go this year and she is disappointed about that.

Seriously in the kindest way you need to stop going all these things for her. You’re getting the piss taken out of you and she has no respect. I know you are trying with hope to build a relationship and have a nice time when you do these things but it’s adding to the problem. My son is the same so I know how hard it is