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Please help- exh wants access to my dd, he is not her legal parent and I'm upset

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kultish · 16/05/2025 11:40

Posting for traffic and hopefully some past experiences. My husband and I separated at the end of last year - our 8 year relationship (6 year marriage) was pretty rocky, and a lot of our arguments revolved around the way he treated my dd who he first met when she was 3. He has always been shouty, strict and also childish with her - bickering like he's her age, but then being overly disciplinarian at other times, which has led to huge rows between us as I felt he didn't let me parent her as I would have liked. This drove a rift between us, I stopped loving him really as I also felt his selfishness and lack of empathy applied to other areas and he was just not a very nice person to live with. We separated temporarily a few times but then permanently. Anyway, dd has been ambivalent about contact with him, even though she has never known her bio dad she has a conflicting feeling about ex-h and the other thing is that he has now moved abroad. So apart from a call on her birthday, they haven't spoken and she hasn't asked to. She does love him but she genuinely doesnt remember how bad things were for most of the relationship as she was too young. It was like, when I went away for work for a week 2 years ago, I had to get my mum to come look after dd because I felt like exH would just be mean with her, or ignore her - he would just let her watch tv for hours while he gamed. It wasn't the father figure I wanted modelled for her. I should have left long ago.

I have just received a strongly worded letter from my ex-h's solicitor saying that he wants to have weekly calls with her and have her for 3 weeks every year, 'either in the UK or (country where he now lives)'. The letter is not offering any kind of financial support towards her. He never adopted her or took on legal parental responsibility, so that doesnt surprise me and I haven't asked for it. However they are basically saying they will take this to court if I don't start facilitating these zoom calls and visits, with the first step being mediation.

I have zero idea of ex-h's current living situation, relationship status, anything. I cant imagine agreeing to send dd off with him when things are so frayed between us and he is acting like he has the legal right here.

The past year (and tbh previous years) have been traumatic. I am so upset to get this formal email today, in the midst of trying to pull things together financially for me and dd and start over again. I have also just had a huge health scare which landed me in hospital for 3 days. And now this.

Please help me. Is this normal for step parents to do this? What do I do? Im worried about affording a lawyer myself but he earns 6 figures and so the disparity between ys is so big. I dont want my dd to be brought into this, she has been through enough.

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JaneAustensCat · 16/05/2025 15:26

OP, please stop panicking and think calmly. It's highly unlikely if not impossible he'd get access to her via the courts, certainly not for a child her age who can have an opinion and where he loves abroad and hasn't seen here since the split.. He'd have to apply for a Child Arrangement Order that specifies type and extent of access, and he might not even get permission from the court to make such an application at all. Have a read here
https://www.stephens-scown.co.uk/family/children-issues/adoption/parental-responsibility-step-parents-2/

and here:
https://www.mcalisterfamilylaw.co.uk/services/child-law/step-parents-rights/

At all sates the court take into account the best interests of the child. It's not about his 'rights'.

He's doing it to distract you and put pressure on you over the financial settlement and it's working. Stop letting him control the narrative.

Ignore the letter.

Parental responsibility – Step-Parents | Stephens Scown

In this series we are talking about parental responsibility, here focusing on step-parents and their rights and responsibilities.

https://www.stephens-scown.co.uk/family/children-issues/adoption/parental-responsibility-step-parents-2/

AmusedPoster · 16/05/2025 15:27

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Tiredofallthis101 · 16/05/2025 15:32

He's almost certainly doing it as leverage to force you to settle on the terms he wants - 'ok, will drop the DD ask if you drop the pension ask'. Don't fall for it. But do get a solicitor and use joint account money to help- take your half.

MozartJoy · 16/05/2025 15:34

HolidayHattie · 16/05/2025 12:02

You don't have to go to mediation. He won't win in court.

Just reply "No." No is a complete sentence.

Agreed.

dunroamingfornow · 16/05/2025 15:34

kultish · 16/05/2025 11:48

Because he is asking for access rights despite also not being her father.

He won’t get them

CottonCandyLand · 16/05/2025 15:35

HopscotchBanana · 16/05/2025 12:05

Are you not listening?

He's got as much right to tell you he's seeing your child as I have.

There's no "if he wins this." He doesn't have a case. Literally no case.

No need to be so bloody rude.

Muffinmam · 16/05/2025 15:41

kultish · 16/05/2025 12:17

I'm sorry if I sound so naive but this is just incredibly overwhelming. The divorce is bad enough because he has so much cash to pay lawyers and he is also pressuring me first through emotional blackmail then through the threat of mediation followed by court, that I should not seek any of his pension or really get an equal settlement. When we met we were almost earning the same and since then his earnings have over tripled and mine have now quartered as I moved away from my job to benefit his. He has built up his 6 figure pension since we got together and mine has just stagnated, I haven't been able to pay in anything for 2 years. I am going to put all this on Form E but I know I really need a lawyer. I'm just scared of the cost, I had to put almost all my savings into upfront rent for a place for me and dd as I didnt have a recent rental history. blah blah blah woe is me, I know, but getting this letter this morning threw me hard. I feel like a shell of my once-self since the split, its made me realise how much that relationship cost me. I cant bear the thought of him pouring poison into dd's ear about me. And the fact he is so much richer, he would no doubt try and buy her affection, she hates our small place that we've rented and the fact I dont have much spare cash (although I have just been offered a job finally... small victories_) I think he wants to play 'Disney dad' for a new partner, if I had to guess. I dont know why else he has done this.

I will tell you why he has done it. There’s actually two reasons:-

1). Post separation abuse - he’s punishing you for the end of your relationship by hurting you in the worst way possible - by threatening to remain a constant in your life via access to your daughter and the threat of taking her away from you.

2). Threatening filing in Court for access to your daughter is meant so that you don’t go after him for money. You will likely accept anything to keep your daughter away from him and he is counting on this threat as a way to keep you away from his pension.

Call his bluff. Get every single cent you’re entitled to and use that money to get a better home for you and your daughter.

Didn’t you say he isn’t even in the country you reside in? No Court is going to send a young girl to live with a man who is not the biological father of that child and who has no legal rights to her. Nor would the Court order telephone contact. Do not let your daughter speak to him on the phone. Let him file for contact orders and then you file an objection based on him having no legal rights. Also make note that he is not a safe person to have around your child and that is reason you sought a divorce - particularly as your child is on the brink of puberty.

Thisisittheapocalypse · 16/05/2025 15:48

"See you in court."

Muffinmam · 16/05/2025 15:54

kultish · 16/05/2025 13:13

if I block him, how is he going to take that regards contact with dd? He will take me to court saying I am blocking contact, evidently. As she doesnt have a phone. So I dont know what to do.

He has no legal rights to your daughter.

He never adopted her.

He isn’t related to her.

He was abusive.

He was neglectful.

Your daughter has no ongoing relationship with his family.

It is not in your daughter’s best interest to remain in contact with a man who exposed her to domestic violence.

Something you can do before you engage a lawyer is pick up the phone and speak with his lawyer. Ask him on what legal basis is he seeking contact?

Every minute you spend on the phone with his lawyer - he will be charged. Every phone call his lawyer will need to make a file note of your contact and then contact his/her client and then make a file note that he has spoken to his client.

You shouldn’t have any communication with him as he is legally represented. As you’re not legally represented you need to engage with his lawyer.

If this were me I would be phoning regularly. Every single time your ex contacts you you need to contact his lawyer in writing and say that he has contacted you and ask that any communications go through his lawyer.

Tell his lawyer the amount you wish to settle financial matters and you will wait for his application for contact so you can dispute it through the Courts.

bigboykitty · 16/05/2025 15:56

You can definitely just ignore this. So glad he's your ex. He has no chance of contact via any legal route. What a dick.

GoodCharl · 16/05/2025 16:02

Change your email and close that one down. Sorry didnt receive it.

would a solicitor send an email vs physical letter in the post?

also check online the solicitors actually exist or is he blagging this?

so child is now 11, i think around this age they get a say in what they want. Also hes no actual right to contact.

just ignore him

MiniCoopers · 16/05/2025 16:06

I would say this is a tactic to scare you into his divorce demands. So if you promise to drop various financial issues he’ll ‘stop’ re DD. It’s purely to scare you.

Redflagsabounded · 16/05/2025 16:06

You are in a panic, and I sympathise with you on that. It's what he hoped to achieve as an expert abuser. It's a tactic he's using to manipulate you about the divorce. It sounds as though a solicitor would be helpful for that.

But please try to calm down and re-read through all the advice on here later and absorb it.

I promise you he has a cat's chance in hell for the Family Court (which is nothing like a criminal type court by the way) giving him permission to even open an application for this.

But I know the 'what ifs' are running round your mind.

So, let's look at what would happen if they did give permission and it did end up in family court

Your child would be allocated a Carcass social worker who would speak to you, him and your child, and prepare a report for the judge. Their aim is to work out what's going on, and then what is in the best interests of the child. They are expected to be 'the voice of the child'. You have evidence of abuse - they have a special pathway for these cases. Even though they tend to get a bit of a slagging on here I know that they really do care about the child, are brilliant at talking appropriately with them, and have a lot of experience in seeing through people who are manipulative (your ex).

GabriellaMontez · 16/05/2025 16:09

I wouldn't even respond.

Just file the letter away out of sight.

JohnofWessex · 16/05/2025 16:10

It seems to me that the letter is evidence of abuse both by your husband and his solicitor

Sodthesystem · 16/05/2025 16:31

So he abused her. He abused your daughter, for years.

Op he shouldn't have any acess to her.
And he's not entitled to it.

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 16/05/2025 16:43

DurinsBane · 16/05/2025 15:08

I wouldn’t say zero (maybe very low) if he tells the court he was her father in every other respect for 8 years (not saying he was, but he could tell the court he was, and with a good solicitor……

Stop scaremongering the OP. It is zero.

Cakeandcardio · 16/05/2025 16:50

ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 16/05/2025 12:02

Why does he want weeks of overnight private access to someone else’s young teenage daughter he doesn’t appear to even like?

This 👆🏻
If he wasn't kind to her when he lived with her then he is either a paedo or trying to control you. Be careful.

CautiousLurker01 · 16/05/2025 16:52

kultish · 16/05/2025 11:48

Because he is asking for access rights despite also not being her father.

I am pretty sure that a) because he is no your DD’s bio parent and b) because he was in her life briefly and did not apply at that time for parental responsibility and c) because he is not resident in the country in which the child lives. I would tell him to take this to court, frankly.

Riaanna · 16/05/2025 16:54

kultish · 16/05/2025 11:44

If he wins this in court would they not also order him to pay child support? I'm so confused. He has not offered us any help financially and yet he wants the access, bio parents dont get this.

He won’t in court. He has no legal rights at all.

Riaanna · 16/05/2025 16:55

Scottishskifun · 16/05/2025 14:00

Dear XH solicitor,

Ex H is neither the biological father, adopted father or named as any legal parental responsibility.
Therefore I acknowledge the letter sent but legally he has no rights to access. Should my daughter wish to get in contact with him when she becomes an adult then this will be of her choosing. Until such time the matter is closed.

Yours sincerely

Kultish.

OP he doesn't have any legal rights and no judge is going to force a parent who does to allow access it sets a dangerous precedent.

Do not send this. Ignore it.

Riaanna · 16/05/2025 16:56

OrangeAndPistachio · 16/05/2025 14:20

@kultish I'd like to suggest something to you. Practice saying no. The next time he requests something stupid via text , just reply with no. Can he speak to dd? No. You don't need to give reasons.

I know that he's in your head and you're afraid , this is what bullies do. But I want you to try standing up to him using this one word and see what the consequences are. He will throw his toys out of his pram , he will dictate a ridiculous letter through his solicitor , but let him. He'll get bored very quickly.

He's not your boss , he's just a man with control issues that you don't have to listen to.

Also don’t do this. There is no need to have any contact. Block on everything.

Riaanna · 16/05/2025 16:57

DurinsBane · 16/05/2025 15:08

I wouldn’t say zero (maybe very low) if he tells the court he was her father in every other respect for 8 years (not saying he was, but he could tell the court he was, and with a good solicitor……

No. It’s zero.

Dreichweather · 16/05/2025 16:59

Topjoe19 · 16/05/2025 12:02

A "step father" can be given access ordered by court.

They can.

But by the time this goes to court she will be 12 and her thoughts will be strongly considered.