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I need to get something off my chest

179 replies

FairPlayer274 · 09/05/2025 00:38

It’s a bit of a long story, but bear with me.

Without giving away too many details about my job, I basically go away to work for two days a month, or for longer for special training. Recently I went for a week long course, and I was catching a certain vibe from one of the instructors, who works with me… Like at one point I thought he was flirting but I wasn’t sure, and he asked me about my relationship status (I’m married with a young child, which I told him.)

At the beginning of the week, he’d sent me a friend request, which I accepted. The service/Wi-Fi was spotty, so I didn’t get his subsequent message there until the last day of the course, when we were testing out. (Thankfully, he wasn’t the one scoring my test. We are equals, at least, but I wanted to be sure I actually earned my certification in the skill he was teaching, you know?) The message basically asked what would I do if a certain coworker matching his description might possibly be attracted to me. But then…

Let me stress to you that I regret my reply, but at the risk of being crucified on here, I’m gonna share it anyway… I told him that if that was the case, it might possibly be mutual, but that nothing could ever come of it (given my marital status.) I don’t know why I said that. I shouldn’t have said that.

He wrote back, essentially, that he understood and respects that, but that he’d “be there” if I ever changed my mind, winky face. The conversation then turned back to work related things. I thought that was the end of it. Nope.

He’s started flirting with me at work. I should be angry that he’s not being respectful, but honestly I’m such a slut for attention that I can’t help but enjoy it. I’m being strictly polite and professional back, but it’s good, smooth flirting, if I’m being honest, and I think he can tell it gets me flustered. It doesn’t help that I’m having intrusive thoughts about how I’m put up in my own hotel room on the occasions we work, and how easy it would be to find an excuse to invite him in… (I’m NOT going to do it. But I’m having trouble not thinking about it, and I have a lot of guilt.)

The worst part is, the day I read that initial message, DH texted me that I was being quiet. I screen-shotted Coworker’s message (cropping out my reply) and sent it to him, and told him I was wondering if I had really earned my certification. We had a mini shit-talking session about how unprofessional it was, and DH made fun of the phrasing. I didn’t mention my response, and deleted it from my phone. It’s been eating at me.

And the thing is, DH and I aren’t even strictly sexually monogamous… though we do have limitations for one another. One of his is that I can’t have extramarital sex with the same man more than once, and it can’t be anyone I interact with on a regular basis (to prevent emotional connections from forming.) I have zero desire to go out and get some strange, but this limitation makes it so Coworker is out of bounds, so to speak…

And I already know the hypothetical, forbidden sex isn’t even likely to be as good as what I have at home— I’ve been with a LOT of men, and very few of them were good at it, and none as good as DH… I guess the idea of doing it with Coworker is alluring because of the taboo-ness of a workplace affair.

Also, I’m thinking maybe it’s that I miss feeling desired, and experiencing New Relationship Energy, like I did when I was younger and dating/sleeping around? I’m not sure how to go about asking DH to help me feel desired like that again, though. Like, I “flirt” with DH at home, and I’m always the one initiating the sex, but he rarely initiates with me, and he never flirts first…(Even if I did field that request/express that feeling tactfully, I would question if he really desired me when he did those things, or if he was just trying to placate me… is that insane ?) I feel loved. Just not particularly sexy, if you know what I mean?

Anyway, I’m just struggling with these feelings, and I just needed to get this off my chest. Thanks for listening, if you’ve read this far.

OP posts:
healthybychristmas · 14/05/2025 10:02

What are your rules for your husband? Why does he never ever make the first move?

FairPlayer274 · 20/05/2025 05:03

KitsyWitsy · 14/05/2025 09:57

Sorry I’m confused though. I said we didn’t care about who slept with who? There was no sexual jealousy because we ultimately didn’t care.

Right, and then you said you cared about it with your subsequent partner

OP posts:
Cellotaped · 28/05/2025 20:42

ERthree · 10/05/2025 07:53

What a bloody mess you have brought a child into. This will only end in tears and heartbreak and most of the heartbreak will be your poor child's.

Yep this

LastPostISwear · 29/05/2025 02:14

Cellotaped · 28/05/2025 20:42

Yep this

How often do you involve your child in your sex life?

Cellotaped · 29/05/2025 06:24

LastPostISwear · 29/05/2025 02:14

How often do you involve your child in your sex life?

🧦 @LastPostISwear

Notsosure1 · 29/05/2025 07:13

FairPlayer274 · 14/05/2025 06:17

Sorry you’re going through that, and thanks.

I don’t mind giving women oral; I like their expressions of pleasure. But there are also fingering, strap-ons, and toys to use.

This is why he doesn’t ’mind’ if you have sex with other women - he’d find it a turn on which would add to his pleasure. If you can only have sex with other men when he’s there that’s another turn on - cuckolding. Basically if he doesn’t get anything out of you having sex with your ppl it ain’t happening. And you’re ok with that. It’s almost like a dominant/submissive relationship. He definitely has the upper hand. Maybe you like that dynamic. It is definitely not an equal relationship tho and you’re putting his needs before your own - he isn’t doing the same for you.

The feelings you have when he leaves you to initiate and jokes about not having to make any effort - why are these less important than his feelings would be of you broke one of his unrequited rules? He doesn’t care how you feel, but he cares how he feels, and has convinced you to care more about how he feels too. So why the guilt with your co-worker?

LastPostISwear · 29/05/2025 18:27

Cellotaped · 29/05/2025 06:24

🧦 @LastPostISwear

I don’t know what that means, but surely you’re projecting to what you expose your DC onto my family.

ARainyNightInSoho · 29/05/2025 18:48

There are many reasons why monogamy became an accepted norm, not least because the situation you're in is headache inducing and frankly, not terribly sexy. All so negotiated, intense and transactional, for what amounts to a quick lay

This exactly.

LastPostISwear · 29/05/2025 19:15

I don’t find it to be a headache at all. It’s a very minor part of our lives.

LastPostISwear · 29/05/2025 19:27

Notsosure1 · 29/05/2025 07:13

This is why he doesn’t ’mind’ if you have sex with other women - he’d find it a turn on which would add to his pleasure. If you can only have sex with other men when he’s there that’s another turn on - cuckolding. Basically if he doesn’t get anything out of you having sex with your ppl it ain’t happening. And you’re ok with that. It’s almost like a dominant/submissive relationship. He definitely has the upper hand. Maybe you like that dynamic. It is definitely not an equal relationship tho and you’re putting his needs before your own - he isn’t doing the same for you.

The feelings you have when he leaves you to initiate and jokes about not having to make any effort - why are these less important than his feelings would be of you broke one of his unrequited rules? He doesn’t care how you feel, but he cares how he feels, and has convinced you to care more about how he feels too. So why the guilt with your co-worker?

I think you’re reading too far into it. He’s excited by or comfortable with or neutral about xyz, so he allows me to do xyz. If I’m allowed to do xyz and I want to do xyz, then I’ll do xyz. If I don’t want to, or he doesn’t feel comfortable with it, then I won’t.

Cuckholding has an element of humiliation that someone else is having sex with your partner. There’s none of that going on here. Our dynamic most closely aligns to what is called “stag/vixen,” which is pretty much just mutual enjoyment of sexual non monogamy.

And since I got home from a holiday, he’s been complimenting me, initiating, and flirting more, so I feel better.

Biropens · 30/05/2025 06:05

LastPostISwear · 29/05/2025 19:15

I don’t find it to be a headache at all. It’s a very minor part of our lives.

But you say that until very recently your husband never initiated sex with you never flirted with you.

It must have been pretty shit to know he was initiating sex with strangers?

FortyElephants · 30/05/2025 07:40

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 09/05/2025 07:25

Why bother getting married if you both fuck other people and you enjoy flirting/being desired/having your ego boosted?

Gosh, it's almost as if different types of relationship exist!

FortyElephants · 30/05/2025 08:03

I have no idea why you would choose to discuss issues in a non monogamous relationship on mumsnet @FairPlayer274 but here you are. FWIW I understand your dilemma completely. For my DH and me, we take anything non monogamous off the table if our sex life isn't where we want it to be. Why do you always initiate? Sounds like that doesn't really work for you?

Biropens · 30/05/2025 08:35

@FortyElephants but if your sex life with partner is “ where you want it to be”
why would you want to have sex with anyone else?

FortyElephants · 30/05/2025 10:04

Biropens · 30/05/2025 08:35

@FortyElephants but if your sex life with partner is “ where you want it to be”
why would you want to have sex with anyone else?

Because sex with other people is a fun thing we enjoy doing as part of our relationship. You don't need to understand why, just accept it's not for you but it is for other people.

aquashiv · 30/05/2025 10:48

Goodness, no judgment, but I can't even cope with one man, let alone others. I don't understand this, so it's no wonder you're confused.

Why did you get married? Surely, this defeats the purpose. I don't get the impression it's just about sex. So maybe you are scared.

Biropens · 30/05/2025 10:58

FortyElephants · 30/05/2025 10:04

Because sex with other people is a fun thing we enjoy doing as part of our relationship. You don't need to understand why, just accept it's not for you but it is for other people.

It was a question
i was just curious
you have explained

TaupeRaven · 30/05/2025 11:10

FairPlayer274 · 09/05/2025 02:24

If I wanted to get with a stranger, I’d probably hop on Fetlife or a dating app and have one ready to go in a minute… men are easy like that. But like I said, the statistical probability of the sex being better than what I have at home already is slim, and I haven’t sought that out.

My limits for DH:

  • no exes
  • nobody crazy
  • no prostitutes
  • must take all reasonable precautions to prevent STDs and pregnancy
  • no kissing
  • must cease contact if he starts to catch feelings for the other person

His are that I can have sex with other women as I please, and other men if it’s something we do together (like at an event, party, threesome, etc., which we do every once in a while), or single instances with strangers whom I’ll likely never see again. No romantic feelings should be permitted to develop.

He likes to see me enjoy myself, but I don’t think it’s a fetish for him to see me with other men in particular. I’d honestly like to see him with another woman, but we have yet to make that happen.

lol’ing at the raincoat bit

Edited

Honestly reading some of these 'boundaries' makes me think that the ethical element of your ethical non-monogamy only extends to you and your DH. Some of them are verging on shitty.

Beyond that, the lying by omission to your DH is lying whether you're monogamous or not. Abd sending a screenshot of the message to your DH knowing full well you'd replied, and then mocking the guy, doesn't show you in a great light as a person OP

LastPostISwear · 30/05/2025 12:42

Biropens · 30/05/2025 06:05

But you say that until very recently your husband never initiated sex with you never flirted with you.

It must have been pretty shit to know he was initiating sex with strangers?

It didn’t bother me because he was only doing it when I wasn’t an option. When I was around, he was just waiting for me to do the initiating, because he knew I would.

Would have been different if I was home and he was out sourcing new tail

LastPostISwear · 30/05/2025 12:50

FortyElephants · 30/05/2025 08:03

I have no idea why you would choose to discuss issues in a non monogamous relationship on mumsnet @FairPlayer274 but here you are. FWIW I understand your dilemma completely. For my DH and me, we take anything non monogamous off the table if our sex life isn't where we want it to be. Why do you always initiate? Sounds like that doesn't really work for you?

Too many instances of getting DD to bed early, lying unclothed next to each other, with me waiting for something to happen, and DH assuming I’m not in the mood otherwise I’d be getting him hard, and him falling asleep without shagging me. Sometimes it would be five nights in a row and I would be dying; on the sixth night I would cave and initiate.

LastPostISwear · 30/05/2025 12:53

TaupeRaven · 30/05/2025 11:10

Honestly reading some of these 'boundaries' makes me think that the ethical element of your ethical non-monogamy only extends to you and your DH. Some of them are verging on shitty.

Beyond that, the lying by omission to your DH is lying whether you're monogamous or not. Abd sending a screenshot of the message to your DH knowing full well you'd replied, and then mocking the guy, doesn't show you in a great light as a person OP

What’s unethical about our boundaries?

I know the lie of omission was a shitty thing to do

FortyElephants · 30/05/2025 13:19

LastPostISwear · 30/05/2025 12:42

It didn’t bother me because he was only doing it when I wasn’t an option. When I was around, he was just waiting for me to do the initiating, because he knew I would.

Would have been different if I was home and he was out sourcing new tail

Are you the OP?

LastPostISwear · 30/05/2025 13:20

FortyElephants · 30/05/2025 13:19

Are you the OP?

Yes

TaupeRaven · 30/05/2025 14:05

LastPostISwear · 30/05/2025 12:53

What’s unethical about our boundaries?

I know the lie of omission was a shitty thing to do

Fort a start, "must cease contact if romantic feelings begin to develop".

Without even going into the whole thing about how you can't control your partners feelings, and how you clearly can't be relied upon to be honest with one another about your feelings, how is that fair on the other person your partner is seeing?

I once dated a guy who had a 3 page list of "boundaries" (they weren't boundaries, they were rules) that he and his DW had drawn up. They included, but were not limited to, that every effort should be made to avoid pregnancy and that termination should be discussed if it occurred. I'm well beyond wanting or having babies, but someone else and their wife don't get to decide what I do with my body. The list went on in a similar vein whereby if his wife felt uncomfortable about his feelings, they should all discuss it but ultimately he should end the relationship. Fortunately I wasn't emotionally invested and this whole row of red flags was more than enough for me to run in the opposite direction!

Thinking as a couple you can be non-monogamous but only in ways that suit the two of you shows a real lack of maturity and emotional intelligence. Interestingly, the couple I mentioned had a history of dishonesty in their relationship too - it always seems to be the dishonest ones who have the most prescriptive and self-absorbed rules.

(I'm very happily monogamous with my DH these days, but I think people should be free to have the relationships they want to... but only if they have the emotional intelligence to actually execute it in an ethical way. Couples have a habit of leaving a trail of emotional destruction in their wake when they engage in ENM in a selfish way)

Biropens · 30/05/2025 14:06

how old are you both Op?