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Glam & Fab Part 5 - Summer Loving

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macdoodle · 15/05/2008 19:11

Gosh time for a new thread already
I'm up for a half term meet - tis the week of the bank hol here 26 May - I will be with sis in Hitchin prob from Sun 25 May most of that week so up for London or roundabout meetup

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Dior · 21/06/2008 21:01

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Paddlechick666 · 21/06/2008 21:24

mac, i have tonsillitis.

still feeling very shaky but have eaten okay and am drinking lots of wine water.

going to bed shortly..........

Dior · 21/06/2008 21:28

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ladythrush · 21/06/2008 22:03

Tonsilitis is horrid Rest up PC

TFM - I think you are right to keep things as they are if you are happy. Plus you are right, it could be now that you are most confident and in control that he feels a little insecure and wants you to be more dependent on him. He might (albeit on an unconscious level)feel that marriage would make you need him more.

On hols tomorrow for a week. Hope everyone has a good week.

Paddlechick666 · 22/06/2008 14:42

unfortunately not much chance to rest with a lively toddler.

had an absolutely shocking night. nightmares and frequent waking.

still feeling pretty shakey but a nice morning around the shops with dd to get wellies. no wellies but she walked a million miles and behaved perfectly.

h has been admitted to hospital after he took a fall on Friday and cut his arm. apparently they need to x-ray and drain it and possibly operate.

FFS, everything going west right now

Dior · 22/06/2008 16:14

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Baffy · 22/06/2008 18:05

Is anyone around?

Paddlechick666 · 22/06/2008 18:11

well, i think the whole thing is about to crash around my ears.

h won't see registrar till tomorrow and then they might not operate till the day after.

so that's holiday gone and probably glastonbury too.

just had a huge go at him over the phone which i concede is unfair and i brought some other stuff up about how he sees the other kids etc but hardly ever dd and about me being ill myself but i have to keep going and no one helps me out and on and on and on.

so apart from everything being screwed anyway, i've just stuffed it up even further.

and i would just bloody well like to know why i get the shit on me every bloody time?

Baffy · 22/06/2008 18:18

Ok just had a quick catch up - PC I'm sorry you're feeling so rubbish hope you get better very soon xx

TFM what an amazing turnaround!! I actually can't believe it. Well actually yes I can. I knew how far you'd come. But I didn't realise just how much of an impact it's finally having on him And great that you're happy as you are and had the reaction that you had.

One other thought though... could being married actually work to your advantage? It would give you rights. It would give you a legal right financially too. I know that all you care about is being happy. You love P for who he is. You don't care about material posessions. But, you are also very vulnerable and you have worked bloody hard to be the best parner and mum possible. Should you ever decide you do want your flat with the cats, you should be able to split your assets fairly to enable you to do that. But the way things are you can't.

I don't know. I'm rambling. But it may have benefits for you too. A piece of paper won't change all your hard work. But it may help in terms of you legally being able to have what you're entitled to, should it ever matter.

Well... do you want my news...

Baffy · 22/06/2008 18:19

oh no pc that's rubbish news

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Baffy · 22/06/2008 18:30

Well...

H and I had a massive breakthrough on Friday. After a misunderstanding we both finally opened up to each other! With great results. We agreed that we seem happiest when we're together, a lot has happened and we need some time to deal with that, but, in the meantime we both want to spend time together, see how things go, and that's what we'll do. So we arranged a lovely day out today.

Got to his flat at lunch time. I knew something was wrong immediately.

He broke down.

OW is pregnant. She did a test in front of him and he saw the letter for her scan appointment this week.

So... which one of my wonderful friends on here would like a new neighbour? Because ds and I are not sticking around here to watch that lunatic bring an innocent child into her messed up world. H is adamant he doesn't want to know her. But will stick by his child, both financially and in terms of having a relationship with it. As he bloody should.

But I can't sit around and watch it. I just can't.
I do hope and pray H has as much involvement as possible, even custody, because I don't believe that she is menatally stable enough to bring a child into this world. Genuinely. And especially not as a single mum. She has no idea at all how hard it will be.

She openly admitted that she stopped taking her pill to get pregnant as there was no way she would let H out of her life, (the first thing she said when she told him was 'can we move in together now'!) and she wanted to 'even things up' so she has as much 'right' to see H as me?!

And they are the reasons that this kid is bringing an innocent new life into this world.

The poor poor child. I hope and pray that she gets her act together and is the best mum in the world. Because that baby is an innocent result of one of the most f*cked up relationships I've ever seen. And it deserves to be loved, happy and have a stable life.

I can't even find the words anymore.

Paddlechick666 · 22/06/2008 18:41

oh jeeezuz christ baffy.

sorry to jump on your bandwagon but seems every every time you and me get somewhere with them something else happens to de-rail it.

what a huge shock for you (and him). you'll both need time to work out how you feel.

gut feel for you, is this a show stopper? is this something you can work thru? going on what you've said about how he and ds are then i think he'd find it impossible not to be involved with this child.

look at what happened to DHH when he tried to ignore, and he's not even that much of a hands on parent.

going for custody may well be the way forward for the sake of the child altho never underestimate the importance to a child of their mother.

IMO, if you guys are able to get thru this then it will be a lucky child to have you as step-parent that's for sure.

i'm so sorry this has happened right now.

i am so utterly fed up with something stuffing up each time i put any hope/trust in what H is going to do. unfair and irrational i know as this isn't his fault but all he has to do now is sit in hospital and get waited on hand and foot.

come and live near me, we can start a commune

Baffy · 22/06/2008 18:50

Am packing already PC, get the kettle on

Is it a show stopper? I think so, yes.

It's not that I can't accept the child. I am 100% behind H's wish to be in it's life and would not want that any other way. I could be a step mum to it. Honestly, after only knowing about this for a few hours I already know that all I care about is that child being happy.

It needs both parents. I hope OW can rise to this and be a good mum. I hope they can form some sort of amicable co-parenting relationship for the childs sake.

But... I knew from day 1 she'd get pregnant to keep him in her life. It's not rocket science. She openly told us both!

He made the decision to sleep with her without contraception. Knowing this.

Her having a child isn't just about him. It affects me. My son has a brother or sister on the way.

Did H think about any of that when he was sleeping with her? Did me or ds ever enter his head?

No. Never. He couldn't even be bothered to wear a condom.

The only reason she could get pregnant was because he was not man enough to take control of the situation and use contraception. He is a grown man. You can't ejaculate into someone and just think 'oh it'll be ok' FFS! She's a young girl. Probably very fertile. And TOLD him she wanted his child!

So he is probably more to blame than her. Because he could have prevented this from happening SO easily.
But he CHOSE not to.

So he can live with the consequences of his actions.

But I'm not prepared to.

Baffy · 22/06/2008 18:59

I'm going to bath ds and try to get some sleep.

I doubt I'll go to work this week as I'm in a pretty bad way. But I'll get on to catch up when I can.

Paddlechick666 · 22/06/2008 19:00

i'd say don't make any fast decisions. give yourself a day or two to assimilate what's happened.

whether she got pregnant or not all those things that H did were already done before this weekend. yes, there are consequences now but actually those consequences could've presented themselves a year ago, 6 months ago, 3 months ago when you and H were at rock bottom and divorce papers were being sent out.

i know it's a completely different spin on things now but if you were prepared to forgive that behaviour with a future in mind, it's not entirely impossible to still forgive and go forward.

don't want to put a spanner in your mind and confuse you but am sort of playing devils advocate a bit.

i am so so so so so so so so so pissed off! partly coz i lost the plot and ranted at H which is probably enough for him to run to hills yet again.

trying to screw up the courage to go and get teh van and bloody well go on my own. which i'd be prepared to do but the logistics of it all are freaking me out tbh.

i'd have to leave my car 90mins away which presents probs for when i get back etc. i have no idea how the bloody thing works in terms of getting the beds out or the cooker etc.

all's i wanted was a few days away with someone to help out with dd and to have a bloody break.

honestly, is that too much to hope for. clearly yes!

i might just as well go onto a dairy farm and stand myself under the silage pipe and take a blood long shower.

fed up with shit landing on my head. i must've done something really really really fucking bad to someone else to have reaped all this in return.

apologies for the rant, i am feeling very very sorry for myself!

Baffy · 22/06/2008 19:11

I can still forgive him. I can deal with it all. But I just don't think I can be by his side while he brings up the child he created with her.
Talk about torture. How would we ever get past it? How would the affair become something from the 'past' with a little mini H or OW running round.

It would torture me. I could do it. I could be the best wife and step mum he could ever want.

But I may as well tear out my heart and soul right now. Because being in his life, with OW and their child there too, as a constant reminder of this 18 months of unbearable pain. Even I'm not that strong.

Thanks for listening though.

PC is there any way H may be ok to go tomorrow? Or could you just go on Tuesday or Wednesday once he's out? I know you'll miss a day or two but would that be better than missing it all together?

(Totally agree about the logistics of doing it alone, I don't think I'd fancy that much either.)

Baffy · 22/06/2008 19:14

I will take your advice though and give myself some time. I'll see how I feel once it sinks in a bit more. A week off work will give me some breathing space.
I'd be useless in work anyway.

Paddlechick666 · 22/06/2008 19:20

yeh it may well be that the IV ABs do the trick overnight and he won't need an operation.

but i'm just once again fed up with being left holding the baby and having to organise everything. i've taken the time off work and cancelled childcare.

now i have to work out how to get to his place with dd in tow then get back here. if i do it i'd leave on tuesday rather than attempt to go from his place. otherwise dd will spend about 10 hours in a vehicle.

i was just so looking forward to sharing responsiblity for dd. not having to be the one to do everything.

pathetic and ungrateful i know when i have such a beautiful and amazing child.

Baffy · 22/06/2008 19:27

not pathetic and ungrateful at all totally understandable.

life's bloody shit sometimes.

try to relax, get yourself better too, and you can still go away and have a wonderful time. just a bit delayed.

don't let it get you down. these things are sent to try us xx

Dior · 22/06/2008 19:39

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macdoodle · 22/06/2008 20:11

oh god bloody shit and hell I am sorry but life is just not fair come on give us a break now don't we bloody deserve it!!
First PC - sorry hon life really does seem to kick you when you are down
I hope YOU are feeling physically better - what on earth was H doing to fall over that badly ???
I know how much you were looking forward to getting away ....can you go alone I know not what you planned, can you come to one of us - more than welcome in Cardiff and the lovely beaches of West Wales just a drive away - always welcome the pair of you - bet DD1 would LOVE your DD they sound a pair
Oh Baffy my heart is bleeding for you...afraid this is what OW did here - its almost like they can sense that H and you/me have made a breakthrough and really are ready to move on and this is their last ditch attempt ...though WTF the H were doing sleeping with them at that stage
Wasn't just me that warned H she would get pregnant his friends warned him too (his best friend a very sensible woman)...so why weren't they taking precautions - and not just the pregnancy what about bloody STD's grrr I too have done the GUm clinic not pleasant...
God I am not even sure what to advice as you know has taken almost a year here for me to even remotely come to terms with the OW baby and we still have not told DD1 - the problem of course is not the baby's but the mothers - how on earth can we trust them to have a normal co-parenting relationship with our H's (how do we trust either of them) - I have given myself another 6 months to decide this (all the other issues aside)
Baffy I truly know how you are feeling - I was physically violently sick for a few days and then numb....even now sometimes it will catch me unaware and I have thoughts of the mad OW and him sitting with a baby and smiling and chatting and it breaks my heart into pieces - yes I think about moving away all the time especially as I have started to see her and baby about more ....
I am so so so sorry what more can I say please email/FB/text or phone whenever you want ..and the offer goes for you too - you are more than welcome here anytime - DD1 will look after your DS and I will feed you wine chocolate and hugs xxxxxx

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macdoodle · 22/06/2008 20:14

oh TFM congrats (even if you didn't accept) sounds like a changed man
Must admit though a glam and fab wedding would be just the thing - we will all expect invites you know

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Paddlechick666 · 22/06/2008 22:17

fuck it, i'll take dd on my own.

will go get van tomorrow then head off on tuesday.

Tanee58 · 23/06/2008 06:23

MOrning girls - yes, it's 6am and I have been up since 4.

This is turning into a nightmare summer. Where's the loving?

Baffy - oh my god - I am so sorry. The most positive thing I can think of is that this happened before he said the positive things about you and him - but this poor child is a huge thing to take into the equation. I so agree you need some time off work - I plan to do the same this week as I feel physically sick and a large mug of peppermint tea hasn't helped.

PC - go girl, enjoy the festival. It'll be a great experience for dd even if she's too young to remember it - but keep a long string on her - you know how fast she moves .

LT, I had tears in my eyes reading your h's email from last week. WHat a beautiful, eloquant avowal. What did you reply?

TFM - wow - a proposal. Sounds like he won't be taking your gardening equipment to the dump again .

At the moment I could do with a proposal - or at least some sign of proper committment to this relationship with DP. I was really looking forward to this week as he has 4 days off. I went to his show yesterday, met some friends of mine there, had a lovely time despite the high winds, DP was pleased to see me, we got home about 9pm and I was all ready for a few days of loving, we talked about me shifting one of my work days around to spend time and maybe take in a play at the National - and then it all went pear-shaped.

So help me Teabags, I'm terrified.

He got worked up because DD was watching TV in the front room - he wanted to watch the end of the football and then listen to some music, and sit comfortably - we were consigned to the kitchen. I should have asked DD to sacrifice Heroes and stuff and let us have the front room, but I didn't. So he threw a strop and said he was going out to calm down. He at least agreed to me accompanying him, so off we went to walk round the park in the middle of the night.

And then he said that he hates coming home, doesn't feel it's his home, he has no place here, he's going to call in an estate agent this week and put it on the market (which of course he can't unless I agree, but if I refuse I know it's make him worse).

He says it's affecting his feelings for me, this just isn't working, he's a 53 yr old man who just wants to come home and do what he wants, where he wants, when he wants, and not feel shut out of his own front room because my daughter got there first.

Sadly, it wasn't even the drink talking. We'd only had a glass each. He was certainly very tired, and when we got back, I suggested we went to bed, and so we did. I said I loved him, and he said sorry. I said sorry doesn't come into it, I just love him, and can't imagine life without him, this is OUR home, not mine, we need to give it time - especially as he's away a lot and when he's back, money has been tight with no work. And I said to him, 'I think you love me too?' and he said 'Yes, but it's not enough'. Which was almost worse than if he'd said no, I felt.

God, I felt sick and scarcely slept till 4am when I gave up trying. There seem to be two issues. One the problem of sharing space with dd - and the other is he feels we've overstretched financially and he isn't able to pay his way. The pressure to contribute is eating him up, he said, he was thinking about it last Wednesday night, his 'dark night of the soul', he called it, and said we can't continue like this, it's driving him mad.

I don't know what to do, or say. We can't afford to buy two properties - not in London - and it's so unfair on DD to move her somewhere smaller when she'd waited 14 years for a room of her own. And I really love this house. He said he doesn't love it anymore - doesn't like it at all. Yet it's so close to our ideal.

I feel shattered. It seems to show a want of committment, that he just doesn't want to even discuss it. He seems to be thinking that if he gets away and doesn't live with me, our relationship may survive - and maybe it will - but buying this house was such a nightmare that I thought we'd both feel it was worth fighting to keep it - and us - together.

We could get a lodger - and I'm going to push for that later, but it doesn't solve the problem of personal space and freedom.

I suggested to dd last night, just before going to bed, that it would be good if she could visit her father this week - I said it wasn't that I wanted to get rid of her, but that there was serious shit to thresh out with DP and we needed to be on our own if poss. She seemed to take it well - she doesn't want to move either. Just hope her father doesn't ask why she suddenly wants to stay with him at such short notice.

And a tiny voice in me is saying that her father would NEVER have done this (there, the erring wife is getting her punishment at last).

I'm not enjoying this summer loving at all

Tanee58 · 23/06/2008 06:41

Don't suppose I'll be stitching those new bedroom curtains yet... and we were actually talking on Wednesday about finishing our room when he came home so that it would be our cosy refuge(this was prior to his 'dark night of the soul').

Oh well, I'm going back to bed - I'm shaking and I don't know if it's shock or cold. Don't like pulling a sickie but I really couldn't cope with work today.

I have to say the money situation worries me too - but I wouldn't even consider selling or quitting. But I feel like the lovely 'us' that we had before buying this place has dissipated in a sickening way. I know he probably didn't realise how it would be - despite staying over with DD and me when he was working in London - but it seems so immature to just sell up and go backwards. And I really, really don't know how we'd do it. I can't afford to buy him out and keep the house, and if we split the money I still wouldn't be able to get even a modest two bed round here.

And basically, I love having him with me - or at least, I do when he's being positive.

Sorry, moithering on here when I should be in bed. I just needed to offload.

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