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Considering leaving my husband to have a second baby on my own

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Clementine1945 · 29/03/2025 13:35

I’ve always wanted a big family, but definitely wanted at least 2. I think having siblings is very important and would like to give that to my child. I’ve been with my husband for 12 years. We have one 4 year old son. It took us a long time to decide to start trying for our son (I was 34, he’s 7 years younger than me, so for about two years beforehand it was always “someday, not yet” which I understood) and then we had a fertility issue (blocked tubes) making IVF our only option. We did IVF when I was 36, it worked first round, and since then I’ve been wanting to do another round to try for a second, but husband has been dragging his feet, saying he’s happy with 1, maybe later, he’ll see in a year if he changes his mind etc etc. I’ve tried to be patient, certain he would eventually come around. But now 4 years later he’s told me that he 100% does not want a second and his assumption was that his saying no is what goes, and I’d just get over it eventually if he waited it out. I feel a bit like he procrastinated until nearly running out the clock. I’m now 40, he’s 33, and my doctor has said to do IVF soon if I want another. We had 1 frozen extra embryo from our first round that we tried to use this past month, after much much discussion and compromise and counselling, and I suffered an early miscarriage at 6 weeks. He says that’s it, he used the embryo because it was there but he’s relieved that it stopped growing, whereas I was devastated. There are no financial constraints, we are very comfortable both working good jobs, and have lots of family and if we want hired help, it won’t be an issue. I feel like we’re quite blessed with lots of options and support for a second baby. I get a full 18 months paid maternity leave for goodness sake! He says it’s simply related to “not wanting the hassle of a second”, the time commitment especially of the first 1-2 baby years. He says maybe in future we could foster or adopt an older child but he can’t guarantee or know “when”. I see that as being another big round of me wanting and him not wanting, and on and on we’ll go. I know that I could do it on my own with a donor, I loved the baby years and did a large percentage (like 80 or 90%) on my own the first round, doing every night waking and morning and basically everything for the first 12-14 months anyway. He’s a loving and good dad to our son, and has become more involved post age 2 with him. I do feel strongly that he would also love a second, but he doesn’t want one, so that’s it. He said that even the amount he did for the first year was “too much” and he doesn’t want to do it again. He lets fear and inconvenience rule a lot in his life, and finds many things much more of a “hassle” than I do. It’s something we’ve struggle with for a while, with a resulting heavier house/admin/parenting/everything load on me. Is it completely crazy to leave him and try for the family size/sibling for my child on my own? He says it’s completely illogical and irrational, but I already feel so deeply hurt and unseen by him on this anyway. How do I stay with someone who can’t see how much this hurts me? With someone who cannot share in the pain of a miscarriage of their child? He says because it was “just an embryo” and so we feel continents away from each other emotionally. Biology made it hard for me to have children, and it feels so brutal that I also have a partner that makes it impossible to even try for a bigger family. I don’t want to pressure him into the second (he really doesn’t want it and the lonely miscarriage made it abundantly clear) but neither can I get past my own wishes and the sense that I’ll regret forever and resent him his inflexibility and “fear of inconvenience.” I feel like I have more love to give and want to give it to another child, and have a brother or sister for my child, in whatever form that eventually takes. And with my husband, there is no form of that. I would have to close the door forever and I just can’t. Is this desire of mine too selfish? Is it insane? For perspective I’m from a family of 4 kids and am very close to my siblings. He is from 2 kids and not super close with his brother, although no specific issues. Is there any hope for any of this?

OP posts:
ClarasSisters · 29/03/2025 13:51

I guess you've got to decide if you want another child more than you want your family as is. Then again, I'm not sure that I could get past "just an embryo" and being relieved by a miscarriage so I'd probably pick single parenthood even with just the child you already have.

Soontobe60 · 29/03/2025 14:00

You can’t force someone to feel the same as you feel, just like he can’t force you to feel the same as him. Would you prefer he lied to you?
Nobody should be forced into having a child. I find it quite sad that you’re putting your desires over having another child over the chances of your son living with both parents. Divorce is very damaging enough as it is on children, please don’t inflict it on your DS because you ant another child.

BruisedNeckMeat · 29/03/2025 14:00

I think if your DS was able to choose he would probably pick being the only child of an intact family than the consequences of dealing with split parents and a half-sibling.

What I am saying is, I don’t think you should frame this at all as doing it to provide something for your DS.

pinkdelight · 29/03/2025 14:04

I think at age 40 with your history, it’d be a big risk to break up your son’s family for a baby that may well never happen. And I’m sorry but I can’t help thinking that given how much younger your DH is, the more likely scenario if you leave him is that he’ll end up having another DC with someone else which would surely make you feel even worse. All of this stems from not being happy with what you have, which of course isn’t easy when your heart was set on more DC, but your DC has a loving family now and to take that away instead of dealing fully with your loss and moving forward to enjoy your 40s with the family you have, opting instead for divorce and more upset trying to have another child and other relationships… I just don’t see how that stacks up as the right thing to do. It’s not like your DH didn’t try, and it’s understandable to stop trying and enjoy his life as the father of a lovely child. The age gap has no doubt been a factor too. Plenty of men in their early 30s are still putting off having a first DC.

TennesseeStella · 29/03/2025 14:04

Yes, this is crazy. It's quite low odds that you would be successful with IVF again, especially at 40 plus.

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 29/03/2025 14:07

BruisedNeckMeat · 29/03/2025 14:00

I think if your DS was able to choose he would probably pick being the only child of an intact family than the consequences of dealing with split parents and a half-sibling.

What I am saying is, I don’t think you should frame this at all as doing it to provide something for your DS.

Yes, very much this.

Purely as far as your own life goes, you could be swapping living full-time with your one child to living full-time with your new one and half-time with your existing one

Assuming in the first place that your DH wouldn't fight to be the RP - meaning that you could end up effectively swapping your time with your existing child for time with the new one, with just a weekend here or there with both.

pinkdelight · 29/03/2025 14:09

BruisedNeckMeat · 29/03/2025 14:00

I think if your DS was able to choose he would probably pick being the only child of an intact family than the consequences of dealing with split parents and a half-sibling.

What I am saying is, I don’t think you should frame this at all as doing it to provide something for your DS.

Yes, this puts it succinctly. Your DS needs his dad more than a sibling, you know that. There was a thread on here last week about a new report on Lads Need Dads, about all the issues boys are facing now that 50% of homes don’t have a male parent around. Obviously that situation is unavoidable when a relationship has utterly broken down, but that’s not the case here and it’d be your choice, based on your fragile hopes for more DC, not based on what’s best for your son. Sounds like you need some counselling to work through your feelings, together and just for you. I hope it’ll help you get through this period and onto better times as a family.

Clementine1945 · 29/03/2025 14:10

pinkdelight · 29/03/2025 14:04

I think at age 40 with your history, it’d be a big risk to break up your son’s family for a baby that may well never happen. And I’m sorry but I can’t help thinking that given how much younger your DH is, the more likely scenario if you leave him is that he’ll end up having another DC with someone else which would surely make you feel even worse. All of this stems from not being happy with what you have, which of course isn’t easy when your heart was set on more DC, but your DC has a loving family now and to take that away instead of dealing fully with your loss and moving forward to enjoy your 40s with the family you have, opting instead for divorce and more upset trying to have another child and other relationships… I just don’t see how that stacks up as the right thing to do. It’s not like your DH didn’t try, and it’s understandable to stop trying and enjoy his life as the father of a lovely child. The age gap has no doubt been a factor too. Plenty of men in their early 30s are still putting off having a first DC.

I also have the feeling he will have other children with someone else in future. I guess I didn’t frame it correctly in my post—the choice would be to 100% have another child in some form, whether that would be IVF using my own eggs, a donor egg or an adoption. My doctor says that a donor egg would give me about 60-75% chance per transfer/embryo, and a near 100% chance of pregnancy within 3 transfers considering my circumstances and my body’s ability to get pregnant the last few times. So for me it’s not an “if” it’s a when—it’s have a second without him, stay with him and keep smaller family. I just can’t figure out if it would be a disaster to stay with him when I feel so distant and unseen and just like our core values around family and siblings are completely different.

OP posts:
Clementine1945 · 29/03/2025 14:15

pinkdelight · 29/03/2025 14:09

Yes, this puts it succinctly. Your DS needs his dad more than a sibling, you know that. There was a thread on here last week about a new report on Lads Need Dads, about all the issues boys are facing now that 50% of homes don’t have a male parent around. Obviously that situation is unavoidable when a relationship has utterly broken down, but that’s not the case here and it’d be your choice, based on your fragile hopes for more DC, not based on what’s best for your son. Sounds like you need some counselling to work through your feelings, together and just for you. I hope it’ll help you get through this period and onto better times as a family.

Thanks but why would he not have his dad? We’d coparent, hopefully pretty well, at least that would be the idea. If his dad walked away and left our son because we’re no longer married, then what kind of crap dad was he to begin with? And he’s not a crap dad, I don’t imagine him leaving him. I just don’t know how to stay with someone when we want such completely different things.

OP posts:
Bathnet · 29/03/2025 14:15

If your son had a choice he’d probably choose to live with both his parents than he would to grow up in a broken home with a half sibling by god knows who. You need to think of the practicalities too. Presumably your son will want to maintain contact with his dad, which would leave you alone with another child for things like birthdays and Christmasses. What if IVF doesn’t work and you’ve sacrificed your son’s family life for nothing?

Zanatdy · 29/03/2025 14:16

You could decide to stay to keep the family intact and then the marriage break up anyway, when it’s too late for another child. I’d leave.

CheeseWisely · 29/03/2025 14:17

BruisedNeckMeat · 29/03/2025 14:00

I think if your DS was able to choose he would probably pick being the only child of an intact family than the consequences of dealing with split parents and a half-sibling.

What I am saying is, I don’t think you should frame this at all as doing it to provide something for your DS.

I agree with this, and being frank, at 40 you may still not end up with a second child, so your existing DS ends up with neither sibling nor live-in Dad. If the relationship is salvageable (and I appreciate it may not be) then in your shoes I would opt for a stable family home for your DS rather than an unknown future.

Clementine1945 · 29/03/2025 14:18

ClarasSisters · 29/03/2025 13:51

I guess you've got to decide if you want another child more than you want your family as is. Then again, I'm not sure that I could get past "just an embryo" and being relieved by a miscarriage so I'd probably pick single parenthood even with just the child you already have.

That’s what I am afraid of too, that our relationship just rots from the inside and we eventually separate because we can’t stand each other anymore.

OP posts:
user6209817643 · 29/03/2025 14:18

At 40, your age is against you. You might end up with no baby and your son being with his father 50% of the time.
I get its not how you pictured your life turning out, but sometimes you just have to make the best of what you’ve got than chasing a dream that might well not happen.

Pices · 29/03/2025 14:18

if he’s really done with kids then ask him to get a vasectomy. Tubes can become unblocked (ask me how I know!) especially during peri.

If you think he’s planning a future without you then you really shouldn’t have more kids with him anyway. What a dreadful thing to do to a child.

saltandvinegarchipsticks · 29/03/2025 14:19

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 29/03/2025 14:07

Yes, very much this.

Purely as far as your own life goes, you could be swapping living full-time with your one child to living full-time with your new one and half-time with your existing one

Assuming in the first place that your DH wouldn't fight to be the RP - meaning that you could end up effectively swapping your time with your existing child for time with the new one, with just a weekend here or there with both.

And this is assuming the IVF is successful for a second child. Adoption is also much harder than OP seems to think, and would be a significant impact on her current child.
OP could end up with half of the time with her existing child, not to mention the impact on her child of having separated parents.
I think a reality check is needed here.

Sodthesystem · 29/03/2025 14:22

Everything else aside,

I know it's common these days but, I can't think of anything more selfish than deliberately planning to have a baby without a dad. Like, why does your desire to have another kid, trump the rights of the kid to have a mum and a dad? It's just so narcissistic.

saltandvinegarchipsticks · 29/03/2025 14:25

Not to mention if a pregnancy did actually work out, imagine being that child growing up without a dad but seeing their older brother going off to spend lots of time with theirs.

Honestly a recipe for some unsettled and potentially emotionally damaged children.

This is all about your wants, OP, not your child’s needs.

Azandme · 29/03/2025 14:25

Clementine1945 · 29/03/2025 14:15

Thanks but why would he not have his dad? We’d coparent, hopefully pretty well, at least that would be the idea. If his dad walked away and left our son because we’re no longer married, then what kind of crap dad was he to begin with? And he’s not a crap dad, I don’t imagine him leaving him. I just don’t know how to stay with someone when we want such completely different things.

It isn't the same, and you know it.

Please stop framing this as "giving" your son a sibling - you're talking about "taking" away one of his parents for, at best, 50% of the time.

Would you be happy only having your DS with you 50% of the time? Would your DS be happy only seeing you 50% of the time, whilst this potential sibling gets to be with HIS mummy all the time?

This is about you, and only about you. YOUR wants, YOUR needs. You're prioritising over a currently non-existent child over the needs of your very existing child.

Everything else is just you trying to justify an utterly selfish decision that's all about you.

You need to be a better parent to the child you already have - fucking up their otherwise happy two parent home for something only YOU want is not how you do that.

I say this as a divorced woman with a really amicable co-parenting relationship. No matter how amicable it is, it still does damage.

PoppyBaxter · 29/03/2025 14:27

Honestly? Pure insanity.

You've always wanted a big family?

Your husband is your and your child's family!

pinkdelight · 29/03/2025 14:27

I didn’t mean your DH would be a crap dad and disappear. The study was about not having both parents - most often the dad - together in a family home. Call it co-parenting, but you honestly can’t think it’s preferable to break up the family rather than stay together and it not have an impact on your boy. The issues you talk about around different views and not feeling seen are all things to deal with through therapy and working on the marriage, not reasons to break up on the level of not loving each other or infidelity or abuse or such things that would harm your DC to be around. They’re your issues and they need help and understanding for sure but the last thing you want is to visit the consequences of them on your son in hopes of some imagined sibling. And I’m sorry but for any 40yo woman to say it’s a matter of ‘when not if’ she’ll get pregnant is just not realistic. Even your percentages are far from 100% and there are plenty who go through three cycles for nothing but upset. You have a lot to work through, but be wary of fixating on donor eggs as the answer to your problems.

BruisedNeckMeat · 29/03/2025 14:29

@pinkdelight and not to mention the fact the hypothetical donor child will have no father at all.

andyouwillknowusbythetrailofdead · 29/03/2025 14:30

You'd be breaking up your family, and more importantly your son's family, for something that might never happen.

fiesta · 29/03/2025 14:33

So sorry OP that you are faced with this dilemma. Problem is as he is the man in this scenario he could leave you and have a child later on . By then it will be too late for you. Unfortunately from a biological standpoint men have more choices when it comes to fertility.

I think sometimes as much as we have to put our existing children first if the choice will potentially cause you misery for the rest of your life. I would leave. Especially as you seem to feel he has ignored your feelings anyway.

I guess the question really is whether you think if you stay, u won't resent him anyway and want to leave.

MrsWhites · 29/03/2025 14:33

It’s quite telling that he finds it illogical for you to leave him in order to have your wish of another baby but he doesn’t see it illogical to follow his wish of not having one.

He’s putting his feelings above your own and also the value of your son having a sibling.

I’d leave, I don’t think you‘ll ever be able to forgive him for not denying you another child.