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Considering leaving my husband to have a second baby on my own

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Clementine1945 · 29/03/2025 13:35

I’ve always wanted a big family, but definitely wanted at least 2. I think having siblings is very important and would like to give that to my child. I’ve been with my husband for 12 years. We have one 4 year old son. It took us a long time to decide to start trying for our son (I was 34, he’s 7 years younger than me, so for about two years beforehand it was always “someday, not yet” which I understood) and then we had a fertility issue (blocked tubes) making IVF our only option. We did IVF when I was 36, it worked first round, and since then I’ve been wanting to do another round to try for a second, but husband has been dragging his feet, saying he’s happy with 1, maybe later, he’ll see in a year if he changes his mind etc etc. I’ve tried to be patient, certain he would eventually come around. But now 4 years later he’s told me that he 100% does not want a second and his assumption was that his saying no is what goes, and I’d just get over it eventually if he waited it out. I feel a bit like he procrastinated until nearly running out the clock. I’m now 40, he’s 33, and my doctor has said to do IVF soon if I want another. We had 1 frozen extra embryo from our first round that we tried to use this past month, after much much discussion and compromise and counselling, and I suffered an early miscarriage at 6 weeks. He says that’s it, he used the embryo because it was there but he’s relieved that it stopped growing, whereas I was devastated. There are no financial constraints, we are very comfortable both working good jobs, and have lots of family and if we want hired help, it won’t be an issue. I feel like we’re quite blessed with lots of options and support for a second baby. I get a full 18 months paid maternity leave for goodness sake! He says it’s simply related to “not wanting the hassle of a second”, the time commitment especially of the first 1-2 baby years. He says maybe in future we could foster or adopt an older child but he can’t guarantee or know “when”. I see that as being another big round of me wanting and him not wanting, and on and on we’ll go. I know that I could do it on my own with a donor, I loved the baby years and did a large percentage (like 80 or 90%) on my own the first round, doing every night waking and morning and basically everything for the first 12-14 months anyway. He’s a loving and good dad to our son, and has become more involved post age 2 with him. I do feel strongly that he would also love a second, but he doesn’t want one, so that’s it. He said that even the amount he did for the first year was “too much” and he doesn’t want to do it again. He lets fear and inconvenience rule a lot in his life, and finds many things much more of a “hassle” than I do. It’s something we’ve struggle with for a while, with a resulting heavier house/admin/parenting/everything load on me. Is it completely crazy to leave him and try for the family size/sibling for my child on my own? He says it’s completely illogical and irrational, but I already feel so deeply hurt and unseen by him on this anyway. How do I stay with someone who can’t see how much this hurts me? With someone who cannot share in the pain of a miscarriage of their child? He says because it was “just an embryo” and so we feel continents away from each other emotionally. Biology made it hard for me to have children, and it feels so brutal that I also have a partner that makes it impossible to even try for a bigger family. I don’t want to pressure him into the second (he really doesn’t want it and the lonely miscarriage made it abundantly clear) but neither can I get past my own wishes and the sense that I’ll regret forever and resent him his inflexibility and “fear of inconvenience.” I feel like I have more love to give and want to give it to another child, and have a brother or sister for my child, in whatever form that eventually takes. And with my husband, there is no form of that. I would have to close the door forever and I just can’t. Is this desire of mine too selfish? Is it insane? For perspective I’m from a family of 4 kids and am very close to my siblings. He is from 2 kids and not super close with his brother, although no specific issues. Is there any hope for any of this?

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Smallmercies · 29/03/2025 18:09

AlphaApple · 29/03/2025 18:06

I don’t think you should leave. You have a healthy child and a good husband. How would you feel if the positions were reversed and he decided to leave you for a woman without fertility issues?

Siblings aren’t as important as two parents who live together.

It's not "good" to resent taking your wife to A&E with a broken ankle. It's not "good" to future-fake your wife with vague promises while running down the clock.

Smallmercies · 29/03/2025 18:10

I think, based on what you've said about your husband, he is likely to have children with someone else in future whether or not you decide to leave him now.

pinkdelight · 29/03/2025 18:13

Smallmercies · 29/03/2025 18:09

It's not "good" to resent taking your wife to A&E with a broken ankle. It's not "good" to future-fake your wife with vague promises while running down the clock.

This future-fake/clock running down narrative is spurious. She's 7 years ahead of where he is, it's okay for him not to have known his position on more kids until he was in his early 30s with one DC already. You can ascribe nefarious motives if it makes it more black and white and dastardly of him but that doesn't make it so.

Smallmercies · 29/03/2025 18:14

pinkdelight · 29/03/2025 18:13

This future-fake/clock running down narrative is spurious. She's 7 years ahead of where he is, it's okay for him not to have known his position on more kids until he was in his early 30s with one DC already. You can ascribe nefarious motives if it makes it more black and white and dastardly of him but that doesn't make it so.

I'm actually more concerned about his lack of care for her health. Would you like to gloss that bit over too? 😊

OliveGoose · 29/03/2025 18:17

bigboykitty · 29/03/2025 18:08

Yes, just you

Not judging by the reacts it got...😬

Guess you're another selfish sperm donor mum who is all me me me. Fuck the kid and what they'd want

Smallmercies · 29/03/2025 18:20

OliveGoose · 29/03/2025 18:17

Not judging by the reacts it got...😬

Guess you're another selfish sperm donor mum who is all me me me. Fuck the kid and what they'd want

Show me ONE parent who's truly considered whether their future kids would like to be born?! All parenthood is essentially selfish - we have babies because we want them. Me, me, me or us, us, us, same thing.

Iwanttenofthose · 29/03/2025 18:21

I don't underestimate how hard this must be for you, but I'm in the camp of prioritising the family you already have over a hypothetical unborn child. I can't imagine how your existing child would process the feeling of not being enough.

Janefx40 · 29/03/2025 18:27

@Clementine1945it’s such a tough situation. I also went through IVF to have my children and when we were trying for a sibling, I was on a lot of different forums with women going through similar things. It was pretty common for the woman to be more keen to go ahead with IVF for a second than the man. IVF is obviously hard on a woman but it is also hard on the male partner having to watch their partner going through it and also feeling very out of control and often quite sidelined by the process. My partner was pretty traumatised by the whole experience - incredibly negative about it all and this played into how much he wanted a second child. I think if we could have got pregnant quickly the natural way he would have felt more positive. That doesn’t change anything of course - just a perspective on some of the feelings that can contribute to these decisions.

The other thing I was going to say is that I also experienced miscarriage differently to my partner and that is also not uncommon. Yes there are loads of men who share the grief and support their partners through it. But there are others who just don’t feel the same. 4 years on and I still feel the grief of losing that baby but my DP honestly never thinks about it and it doesn’t make him sad in any way. He was a bit sad at the time, briefly, but really didn’t support me very well. People deal with things differently and feel things differently and whilst I would have obviously preferred to have had a more shared grieving experience, I made the decision to just accept that sadly it wasn’t something we shared.

i do understand the desperate need for a sibling and especially the need to have a baby after a loss.

The decisions I made in the aftermath of my miscarriage weren’t the best ones in hindsight. I was so so sad for the loss of that baby and the potential loss of a sibling in general. I thought that if I could just have another baby then it would make that loss ok. But of course it doesn’t. The loss and the grief are still there for me. Tears falling as I write this.

We did get second eventually for which I am endlessly grateful but i pushed it pretty far and it took a long time for my partner to forgive me - obviously he’s pleased we have our son but it was a really brutal few years.

Only you know whether you choose to value your relationship over your need to try for a second. I’m not sure what I would have done in your situation and I’m so sorry you find yourself here. It’s probably best not to make any big decisions while you are grieving the loss.

lots of love to you all for whatever you decide x

Janefx40 · 29/03/2025 18:33

Oh and I also have a DP who is reluctant to try anything new or challenging!! So IVF massively pushed him outside his comfort zone (it’s outside anyone’s comfort zone but even more so!!). We wouldn’t even have our first if I didn’t drive things through. Or our home. Or pretty much any of the things he loves most about his and our life!! So it is a delicate balance between respecting their wishes and autonomy and desire to live the way they want and knowing when to push a bit!! I get it!!

LividSunshine · 29/03/2025 18:42

I'm really sorry you're going through this.

I've been through donor conception myself so I say this from a place of understanding: are you sure you would want a child of potentially double donation (ie not biologically related to you) as a sibling for your existing DC? I think that brings challenges beyond just further IVF or even IVF with simply donor sperm. I think at 40 you know that's your only real viable option, and I'd urge you to have some counselling to look at that.

I think he's only mentioning adoption down the line to placate you. I'd ignore that as an option entirely UNLESS you would want to be a single adopter.

Also, I think there's a chance the marriage is over no matter what. Is that something you are prepared for? To end up with no new baby and no husband? If you stayed, could you be happy with him again or has this gone too far? You don't describe him as a great man...

CuriouslyMinded · 29/03/2025 18:58

It is very hard when your desires diverge in this area. My DP is 20 years older than me. We have, after a lot of fertility issues on my side, managed to have a wonderful little girl, who is now 2 years old. I am 36, DP is 56. He absolutely 100% does not want another. He adores our daughter, and like your husband, he has become far more involved now that she is a bit older. But he has made up his mind, and my feeling is that I have to respect that. We have a beautiful daughter, she is happy and healthy and our family is comfortable.
Sometimes I do feel sad that I likely won't have another baby, that my daughter won't have a sibling, but what we have already is really good.

I think your DH was desperately insensitive in what he said about your miscarriage and I am so sorry you experienced that and I hope you are as well as can be expected in the circumstances 💐

Perhaps give yourself some time now (I appreciate you do feel in a hurry but try to be kind to yourself) to look at all aspects of your life and assess what you want and need and try not to make any big decisions while you are still grieving because it does cloud our judgement and a fertility quest can (in my experience) become all consuming.
Sending love OP

PussInBin20 · 29/03/2025 19:17

I think he’s been quite deceitful and was stringing you along. I mean the age gap is the problem really, you were both at different stages of life. There’s nothing wrong with not wanting a child but I don’t think he was honest with you and I think you will end up resenting him and eventually likely split up.

Purplecatshopaholic · 29/03/2025 19:31

Sorry op but I think you are being really selfish here and focusing on you and what you want, not your current child. I can’t believe you would break up your child’s family on the off-chance you would have another child. Pulling your child out of a happy, secure family unit, into a potential mix of step-parents, and half and/or step siblings when he, and maybe you, get other partners. And you might well not have another child either. Of course all that might happen anyway if you break up over this, such a difficult one. Sorry, just my view.

Smallmercies · 29/03/2025 19:44

Purplecatshopaholic · 29/03/2025 19:31

Sorry op but I think you are being really selfish here and focusing on you and what you want, not your current child. I can’t believe you would break up your child’s family on the off-chance you would have another child. Pulling your child out of a happy, secure family unit, into a potential mix of step-parents, and half and/or step siblings when he, and maybe you, get other partners. And you might well not have another child either. Of course all that might happen anyway if you break up over this, such a difficult one. Sorry, just my view.

Edited

It's not really happy or secure if he resents having to take his wife to hospital with a broken ankle!!! That's abusive and neglectful.

Smallmercies · 29/03/2025 19:45

Can't believe people are defending this selfish oaf!! 😒

Smallmercies · 29/03/2025 19:48

OP I wonder if this potential second baby is a bit of a proxy - perhaps you know in your heart of hearts that this isn't the man for you? He doesn't seem to take good care of you .

Wakemeupbe4yougogo · 29/03/2025 20:05

He's messed you around so you've missed all window of opportunity to birth a second child. That alone would have me one foot out the door.

CheeseWisely · 29/03/2025 23:43

JaneBoulton · 29/03/2025 17:45

Also this.

I don't think OPs thought this through as it's very selfish on the child she has and the hypothetical child with no dad. But has to watch their sibling have a dad.

I honestly despair. I have my girl after IVF and I could not imagine thinking she's not enough. It would be lovely to have a second of course! I wouldn't ever break up a family to do so though.

I agree with you. DH and I are both in our 40s and were lucky enough after several years trying to have a beautiful Son, now 10 months old, and due to the circumstances destined to be an only child. My DH’s family continue to ask if/when we’ll have another despite our deciding we’ve pushed our luck enough at our ages, so our response now is to ask them why they think our Son isn’t enough. He is and always will be enough for us.

Catoo · 30/03/2025 00:31

BruisedNeckMeat · 29/03/2025 14:29

@pinkdelight and not to mention the fact the hypothetical donor child will have no father at all.

Yes and if adoption or a donor egg is used (as OP has suggested), the child won’t be related to the OP or her current DC at all.

Seems like a recipe for disaster.

amiadoormat · 30/03/2025 08:18

I can see why you’d want to go it alone OP but there is a real chance your son will resent you for a sibling he probably doesn’t even want and resent any resulting sibling. You’re dreams of a wonderful happy family will well and truly be over and you’ll be left with some very traumatised children.

hjokhjjjkkkd · 30/03/2025 08:29

I think a child would benefit more from a present and engaged dad under the same roof than a sibling. You’re not wrong leaving if youre so adamant you want another child, but do it because you want a child, not a sibling for your son.

user1492757084 · 30/03/2025 08:32

Stay with your existing family, small as it is, and make that the happiest little bubble for you all.
Put your energy into creating quality relationships with those special two people..
Work on having a trusting and supportive marriage.
I agree that in three - five years time your DH should consider a vasectomy.

Why isn't your son good enough just on his own?
Invite more cousins and friends over to play and on holidays.

Foster some kids who need security sometimes.

Plan a life that others can't have.
With one child you can walk the Camino Track etc.
With one child it is easier to afford and engage all together in local charity work.

MrsEverest · 30/03/2025 08:54

My God. I cannot believe, cannot BELIEVE there is a parent who would tear apart an existing child's family for a hypothetical future sibling.

Smallmercies · 30/03/2025 10:10

user1492757084 · 30/03/2025 08:32

Stay with your existing family, small as it is, and make that the happiest little bubble for you all.
Put your energy into creating quality relationships with those special two people..
Work on having a trusting and supportive marriage.
I agree that in three - five years time your DH should consider a vasectomy.

Why isn't your son good enough just on his own?
Invite more cousins and friends over to play and on holidays.

Foster some kids who need security sometimes.

Plan a life that others can't have.
With one child you can walk the Camino Track etc.
With one child it is easier to afford and engage all together in local charity work.

Edited

She will never ever have a happy bubble with a MAN WHO RESENTS TAKING HER TO HOSPITAL WITH A BROKEN ANKLE. He is abusive and neglectful, not supportive or loving.

Smallmercies · 30/03/2025 10:11

... and he will never be allowed to foster vulnerable children - he's far too selfish.

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