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Married to someone with Asperger's/ASD/ND: support thread 15

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BustyLaRoux · 22/03/2025 06:42

New thread.
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This thread is for those of us seeking to explore the dynamics of long term relationships with our ND partners. Some of us are ND ourselves, very many of us have ND children. It is a support thread, and a safe space, it does get emotional at times. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner.
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It's complicated and it's emotional.
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The old thread is here.

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BustyLaRoux · 15/06/2025 20:57

How are you doing @Petra42 sin e his very sudden exit? How long ago was that now? Is it a month? Longer? DP has talked about sudden endings in his relationships before. He has no desire to stay friends. Just pulls the plug. Very emotionless. Or perhaps there is emotion, but not as we know it. And this abrupt ending is the coping technique to emotions that are difficult. It’s sad. But I think in the long run this is a lucky escape for you perhaps…

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BustyLaRoux · 15/06/2025 21:04

@ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda so what’s the next step? Do you put the house on the market? Or does one of you get a rental place while you set all the financial wheels in motion? Don’t lose momentum!! 🙂

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BustyLaRoux · 15/06/2025 21:05

Who was awaiting lots of tests and scans? Was it you @SpecialMangeTout3 ? I hope you’re OK xx

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Petra42 · 15/06/2025 22:34

@BustyLaRoux thanks for asking. I'm actually doing ok. I've been using chat gpt for free therapy, working hard with interesting projects at work, seeing friends and generally pulling myself back up. I still think about my ex in that i was so besotted/happy with him and it feels like such a pain to know that it's gone. I think about whether he misses me or whether he thinks he'd made a mistake. I guess I want him to feel the loss. My friends and family think he's mad because he just couldn't compromise or understand that i had different priorities. I just dont understand how he can be so rigid. But in chat gpt, it talks of rigid thinking and also that the uncertainty of children's behaviour can be a nightmare for autistic people so I do think things would have gotten worse for us anyway due to real life factors.

ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda · 16/06/2025 07:31

BustyLaRoux · 15/06/2025 21:04

@ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda so what’s the next step? Do you put the house on the market? Or does one of you get a rental place while you set all the financial wheels in motion? Don’t lose momentum!! 🙂

Thank you for asking @BustyLaRoux. It’s exactly that, momentum. 10 days since we saw finance chap and no mention of anything from my husband despite being animated (masking) in the meeting. I’ve slept a lot - my system recalibrating after getting everything out on the table.

I now need to start looking for a house for my husband. He agreed to it all, but no action or movement on his side.

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 16/06/2025 08:01

That sleep will help your mind and body heal and recover @ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda 🫂

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 16/06/2025 08:17

On the topic of who moves where etc, does anyone have any experience to share on this? Can these DHs/OHs be reasoned with to reach an agreement that is best for the DC or will their own needs take president?

Tying myself in knots as I haven't had the talk with H yet and keep thinking that if I'm the one to move out then maybe I need to look at that first. Yet, if he miraculously decided that he would move then that might be better for DD in terms of staying in the village (very difficult to get a rental here!) near her best friend and all the amenities she's used to.

SpecialMangeTout3 · 16/06/2025 10:27

BustyLaRoux · 15/06/2025 21:05

Who was awaiting lots of tests and scans? Was it you @SpecialMangeTout3 ? I hope you’re OK xx

It was me @BustyLaRoux
And yes everything is fine.
I even (by pure luck really) found somethimg that got rid of my daily headaches (which was the reason for the MRI). So all is good :)

Thank you for asking. Really appreciate it vs the complete disinterest from dh.

SpecialMangeTout3 · 16/06/2025 10:34

@ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore I’ve never managed to reason dh.
Either he backs down (often with some resentment) or I have to bulldoze my way (last time was about us moving to a totally unsuitable place for me. I would have separated over it).

But finding a middle ground etc… isn’t something that ever happens, even for simple easy things 😢😢

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 16/06/2025 11:27

Good to hear all was ok with the tests and MRI @SpecialMangeTout3 amd that there was something that helped with the headaches too.

I guess if we could reason and find a middle ground we probably be on here in the first place 😕 when we separated last year H was quite clear on not wanting to move out and that it filled him with dread. The possibility of another rat infestation might change his mind, although the rats seemed to have gone for now, fingers crossed.

Having done some calculations and research I can theoretically cope on my own but trying to figure out how to best do this and keep switching from one scenario to another!

Peppasparty · 16/06/2025 13:01

Can I ask do ND people tend to avoid situations that create uncertainty? I was just thinking this could be the reason why I feel ignored. I suppose being an emotional person I create a lot of uncertainty for my mum. Does uncertainty cause a lot of anxiety for them? I wonder if I reined it in a little it would make her feel more comfortable. Not that I’m overly emotional but I do come along with my issues as we all do to our mums and I’m met with a wall really. Perhaps my expectations of her aren’t realistic.

SpecialMangeTout3 · 16/06/2025 15:14

Yes a lot of people with autism have issues with uncertainty and how to deal with it. I think it’s a bit of a hallmark of autism.
Same with not wanting things to change (eg not keen on moving on the top of separating).

Even though I’ve recently learnt that SOME people with autism prefer to deal with the uncertainty than having to deal with change.
So with dc2 as a young child, it translated as not telling him what plans were was easier than telling him and then having to change them. He is still the same as an adult.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 16/06/2025 16:43

LoveFoolMe · 15/06/2025 11:10

Those of you who have split up and have children, are you happier on your own? Is it harder? Do you have the same parenting issues? Have you met someone else?

Massively, massively happier. Or at least far less unhappy. Not sure Ive got to the happiness stage, but it's closer.

But it's been hard for the children. He was alienating them from me in the last months and it's hard. Since leaving I have -no- influence on what goes on in that house, which has included hitting the children, oppressive negativity, completely unreasonable expectations and literally sending the youngest to school with stained, smelly, too-small clothes and hair so matted it had to be cut off when he come to my house.

I had to face the fact that with his lack of sense of danger, there was a possibility of a lethal accident.

But there was no choice about leaving in the end - I dont even know how I did it. I was very beaten down, to the point of not speaking, just doing what he wanted and not ever putting my pov. There was no pleasure in life as it wasn't worth enjoying anything; he'd suck the enjoyment out of the situation. Anything that I valued he'd break. There was only a grim endurance. I was afraid of him, I think, while at the same time despising his arrogance, his unkindness, his lack of care for the children, his contrariness, his profound dishonesty/lack of accountability/inability to see the impact of his actions. In the end when he wanted to talk about something, the words that it was over just came out of my mouth from nowhere.

The main problem was that I chose an idiotic arrogant and sometimes cruel tosspot to be the father of my children, and there were going to be parenting problems together or apart. And there are. If you stay together one can ameliorate some of the effects, or he can do the opposite of what you suggest, however stupid. If you are apart, there can be a gigantic relief and there's the chance of becoming yourself again. It's a damn slow process mind you, and I'm not the person I was. For example, I see some traits mentioned on this thread (lack of communication over important decisions with one's partner, for example) that I'm guilty of, because there was just no point trying to communicate with ex-husband. You learn to rely on yourself and yourself alone, and to try to avoid dealing with him or communicating with him because he simply made everything much much harder. I need to un-learn those habits, and to try to share more with my current partner. He's a lot 'safer' and these old habits are destructive to the relationship. He's also ten times the man that my ex is in all ways and deserves the best I can give, not the habit of withdrawal.

Peppasparty · 16/06/2025 17:17

SpecialMangeTout3 · 16/06/2025 15:14

Yes a lot of people with autism have issues with uncertainty and how to deal with it. I think it’s a bit of a hallmark of autism.
Same with not wanting things to change (eg not keen on moving on the top of separating).

Even though I’ve recently learnt that SOME people with autism prefer to deal with the uncertainty than having to deal with change.
So with dc2 as a young child, it translated as not telling him what plans were was easier than telling him and then having to change them. He is still the same as an adult.

Yes my mum is like this. Plans are kept secret. For example there is no discussion about times of going somewhere. There is one time given or don’t come.

SpecialMangeTout3 · 16/06/2025 18:57

@Peppasparty with ds2 as an adult, it means he always organising stuff at the last minute. And isn’t getting involved when other people do the organising.

Watching him going away with a group of friends is fun…

BustyLaRoux · 16/06/2025 19:31

SpecialMangeTout3 · 16/06/2025 10:27

It was me @BustyLaRoux
And yes everything is fine.
I even (by pure luck really) found somethimg that got rid of my daily headaches (which was the reason for the MRI). So all is good :)

Thank you for asking. Really appreciate it vs the complete disinterest from dh.

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Oh wow! How fortuitous! You must be so relieved to know it was solvable and nothing serious.

I suffer with daily headaches. I have a couple of things I can do to treat them which work mostly but last week I had a headache for three days. I hope they’re not coming back. I’m not stressed so don’t think it’s that. Is your lucky find something you would feel comfortable sharing? I’ve tried so many things over the years. No worries if you’d rather not. Xx

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BustyLaRoux · 16/06/2025 19:56

@ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore When I left my exDH I had to leave the family home. I loved that house and it broke my heart (but I guess with yours having potential rodent infestation leaving it might be a blessing!!). Are there any properties locally for rent?

I had to move in with my dad for a bit. Not ideal but I was lucky to have the option. It wasn’t big enough to have the DC come to stay but close enough I could go home every day, often before they were awake, so it’s didn’t seem as though I had left. I still
made breakfast and dinner and saw them every day. ExDH and I got on well enough. So it wasn’t too awful and I didn’t feel like I’d abandoned them. I’m assuming there is no way you would leave DD in the house though? While you got settled?

When I moved out from living with DP I had my deposit and paperwork ready so I could move fast when I found the right house. I also had done the benefits calculator things about five times so I knew what I was entitled to.

I was lucky to find this house when I did. Having a good idea about the local market is a good idea. Getting registered with local agents has worked for us previously. Did you say you were in a village? I guess suitable properties don’t come up that often..?

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ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 16/06/2025 20:25

I've done the benefits calculator several times too @BustyLaRoux now need to get other documents in order. Luckily have enough for deposit and a month's rent saved but might struggle to find landlords accepting me on UC. I'm thinking about putting together something to present to letting agents.

Been looking in nearby town so have rough idea of prices. Occasionally there are places to let in village but it's rare. I'm more of a townie but DD is used to her village.

So sorry you had to leave your house, it can ge heart breaking 🫂

BustyLaRoux · 16/06/2025 21:01

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 16/06/2025 20:25

I've done the benefits calculator several times too @BustyLaRoux now need to get other documents in order. Luckily have enough for deposit and a month's rent saved but might struggle to find landlords accepting me on UC. I'm thinking about putting together something to present to letting agents.

Been looking in nearby town so have rough idea of prices. Occasionally there are places to let in village but it's rare. I'm more of a townie but DD is used to her village.

So sorry you had to leave your house, it can ge heart breaking 🫂

I got a guarantor for the rent so they weren’t bothered about me being on UC. The only thing with UC is it takes five weeks to get your money. So I actually had to stump up a second month’s rent before anything got paid to me. Luckily I had enough to cover it. It’s a bit of a bind because you pay rent up front, but UC is paid in arrears. You can’t set it up before you move in either. I mean you can set set up the account, but when it comes to adding your address, you can’t put your future address. You have to put your current one with DH and then everything they calculate will be based on that… I waited until I got my keys and set it all up on the first day. I won’t lie. This was one of the most stressful parts of moving. I ended up with anxiety attacks! It’s fine now but it was a pretty horrible stressful experience. Not trying to put you off! Just prepare yourself. It’s not easy. Xx

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BustyLaRoux · 16/06/2025 21:22

@ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore a little statement about you and DD might be nice. I did one for this house. About how I had children at the local school so was looking for a long term rental. Had excellent references etc. You’ll be asked for a referee and as you’re not renting currently might be good to get one lined up..? If you don’t earn enough maybe get a guarantor lined up too. Would DH act as guarantor?

And thank you, yes leaving my old home I shared with exDH and the DC was so painful! I’d only just refurbed it using my mother’s inheritance money. It was so lovely!! I can’t drive down my old road. All these years later. It still hurts too much! I couldn’t turf exDH out though. He didn’t want to get divorced so making him homeless was not something I would ever do.

You sound well on your way. Do you drive? If you prefer town life is there a possibility to drive her to school each day?

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ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 17/06/2025 07:07

BustyLaRoux · 16/06/2025 21:01

I got a guarantor for the rent so they weren’t bothered about me being on UC. The only thing with UC is it takes five weeks to get your money. So I actually had to stump up a second month’s rent before anything got paid to me. Luckily I had enough to cover it. It’s a bit of a bind because you pay rent up front, but UC is paid in arrears. You can’t set it up before you move in either. I mean you can set set up the account, but when it comes to adding your address, you can’t put your future address. You have to put your current one with DH and then everything they calculate will be based on that… I waited until I got my keys and set it all up on the first day. I won’t lie. This was one of the most stressful parts of moving. I ended up with anxiety attacks! It’s fine now but it was a pretty horrible stressful experience. Not trying to put you off! Just prepare yourself. It’s not easy. Xx

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Thank you, that is really useful to know. If I am the one to move I would get H to be my guarantor, it's the least he can do! I could just about cover two months rent but would need to do what you did and apply for UC on day of the move.

I'm still thinking that speaking to H first might be best as there are other scenarios that might work, but I need to have this plan in case he gets difficult! Also, if he insist on staying in house I will ensure he helps me out to get something set up for me and DD, with DD being the one in focus. Eventually he would either have to buy me out, or sell and but two smaller properties, as I'm firm on DD being adequately housed and cared for.

I wouldn't want to make H homeless though, as tricky as he is at times, he worked hard to buy this house as his first home (before we met) and funded the extension, done loads of DIY and gardening to maintain it etc. The rats certainly means ge might feel less attached to it though. Ideally I would like him to have an equal housing set up to me, although it would be much smaller, so DD can float between us.

As DD heads towards teen-years she might well prefer living in a town or the nearby historical city (my preferred choice!) and luckily I do drive and it's not far.

With all the uncertainty around my dad and the summer approaching I think I'll take my time planning this next big step but might speak to H soon and give him a couple of months to digest before I bring up housing plans.

ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda · 17/06/2025 07:42

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 17/06/2025 07:07

Thank you, that is really useful to know. If I am the one to move I would get H to be my guarantor, it's the least he can do! I could just about cover two months rent but would need to do what you did and apply for UC on day of the move.

I'm still thinking that speaking to H first might be best as there are other scenarios that might work, but I need to have this plan in case he gets difficult! Also, if he insist on staying in house I will ensure he helps me out to get something set up for me and DD, with DD being the one in focus. Eventually he would either have to buy me out, or sell and but two smaller properties, as I'm firm on DD being adequately housed and cared for.

I wouldn't want to make H homeless though, as tricky as he is at times, he worked hard to buy this house as his first home (before we met) and funded the extension, done loads of DIY and gardening to maintain it etc. The rats certainly means ge might feel less attached to it though. Ideally I would like him to have an equal housing set up to me, although it would be much smaller, so DD can float between us.

As DD heads towards teen-years she might well prefer living in a town or the nearby historical city (my preferred choice!) and luckily I do drive and it's not far.

With all the uncertainty around my dad and the summer approaching I think I'll take my time planning this next big step but might speak to H soon and give him a couple of months to digest before I bring up housing plans.

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Well done @ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore . You are getting your head around it all and making sensible plans to change living arrangements. It’s the first step 💕

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 17/06/2025 10:40

ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda · 17/06/2025 07:42

Well done @ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore . You are getting your head around it all and making sensible plans to change living arrangements. It’s the first step 💕

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Thank you, it feels like it really is happening this time. I'm more prepared and realistic, I think anyway!

SpecialMangeTout3 · 17/06/2025 11:28

BustyLaRoux · 16/06/2025 19:31

Oh wow! How fortuitous! You must be so relieved to know it was solvable and nothing serious.

I suffer with daily headaches. I have a couple of things I can do to treat them which work mostly but last week I had a headache for three days. I hope they’re not coming back. I’m not stressed so don’t think it’s that. Is your lucky find something you would feel comfortable sharing? I’ve tried so many things over the years. No worries if you’d rather not. Xx

I had daily headaches not relieved my anything but aspirin (which you can’t really take daily).
I started a treatment with ketotifen (which is a MCAS stabiliser, often used for asthma) for somethimg totally unrelated.

And Lo and behold, it ‘cured’ my headaches (and a few other things). Basically they were some sort allergic/histamine reaction I didn’t know I had!

SpecialMangeTout3 · 17/06/2025 11:34

@ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore it’s lovely to see you making plans like that.
You seem very down to Earth and practical, your head very nicely screwed on to find the best outcome for all 3 of you.

I hope your dad is doing as well as it can be too. It must be very worrying with you and him being in two different countries.

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