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I'm loathe to label anyone as a narcissist but... this is just fucking unbelievable...

139 replies

ThisIsJustShit · 21/03/2025 07:47

I started a thread in August last year about how my exh husband had shocked us all by trying to manipulate our daughter into not allowing me to take her up to university.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5141016-i-have-no-one-in-real-life-to-talk-about-this-with-please-help-me-to-feel-better-about-it?page=1

This week he has excelled himself.

Last month, he turned 50 and spent 2 weeks on holiday on the other side of the world. He wasn't at home for his birthday. Both children messaged him on the day wishing him a happy birthday and they hoped he was enjoying his holiday and they'd see him when he returned.

Our daughter is at university 200 miles away from home - in the end, he completely refused to travel up to move her up there claiming that he was ill 🙄 As I said in the previous thread, we split up when the children were young and have always co-parented amicably and had often patted ourselves on the back about having done a good job. We've never argued, never fallen out and things have always gone well.

Anyway, the problem this time was that the children hadn't sent him birthday cards and neither had anyone else in his family. I can only assume that this is because he was on the other side of the world on holiday because his family are very big on card giving. Both children had bought him cards/presents but were waiting to see him in person to give them.

Anyway, he sent them both very lengthy and angry diatribes this week about how sad and angry he was, how it was clear nobody loved him about how they had all neglected his 'special day', how he didn't want cards or gifts from them ever again and how they had set the tone now for the future of their relationship with him and he would respond in kind in future.

They both replied saying they were sorry he felt that way, both had cards and gifts but felt it was more meaningful to see him and give them in person. My daughter, in particular, also explained that she was really ill (she was and missed 2 weeks of uni and sporting practices and barely got out of bed) and had essays to still do. He basically said it was a poor show if she couldn't make the effort for his 'special day' and he meant what he said about never wanting cards from them again and that they had set the tone for the future of their relationship.

They are furious. The eldest sees their relationship as done and the youngest (daughter) has sent me screenshots of their various conversations over the years where he has been manipulative and down right cruel to her.

He kept bleating on about 'his truth' and how he has the right to tell people how they have made him feel.

He even sent our daughter an example of the text message he'd expected to receive from her (hers wasn't fawning enough apparently) along the lines of how sad she was at not being able to share his special day with him she missed him and wished she could have been with him on his 'special.day'. Her response to me was, "If I'd sent him something like that, he'd have had a go at me for making him feel guilty on his special day and wasn't he even able to go on holiday to celebrate his special day when I would have been 200 miles away on the day and wouldn't have seen him anyway.' And she's right. That's exactly what he'd have done because that's exactly what he does.

His messages are full of who always tells you that they love you more than anyone else does? Who took you to gymnastics every week and never let you down? And a lot of other things that she described as "just being a parent" although she mocked the "who always tell you they love you.." part saying that actions speak louder than words.

The reality is that he did take her to gymnastics once a week and I took her twice. He never attended a competition, never attended a dance show, never came to parents evening. He lets her down and prioritises himself constantly. He won't do anything for either of them unless it can get public recognition on SM.

The reality is also that he eventually refused to pick her up from work on his allocated nights (I did the others) and told her that if she got ubers, he'd pay her back. Only when this had gone on for a year and a half he told her the £800 that had accrued was too much and he wasn't going to pay. I had no idea of that and, as soon as I realised, my partner or I picked her up on 'his' nights instead.

The reality is that we split up when she was 6 and she never had a bedroom in his 3 bedroomed house because he wanted a cinema room. She had to sleep on a sofa bed that he didn't bother to unfold (so a sofa) in his spare room/office.

He even challenged her to think about whether there is anyone in her life who frequently let's her down and breaks their promises to her or showers her with empty words. She just laughed at that because her response to me was, "Yes, there is. It's him!"

Eg last weekend, she had a sporting competition in our home city. I went, my son went and my partner went. Her dad? Well, he texted her in the morning telling her he was 'ill', which is always his reason for letting her down. He believes she will forgive him and feel sympathetic towards him. In reality, she said it's too obvious a pattern. He makes great promises to her and then lets her down at the last minute because he's ill. But he's kicked off about a birthday card and a less than fawning text message.

He has no idea how much damage he is causing/has caused to his relationships with them. I think he is trying to create a FOG cycle with them but they have seen through this and are just furious with him. And upset.

I don't think I want advice as such, more somewhere to rant!

But fucking hell. I suppose I can understand him being disappointed he didn't have a pile.of cards to return to but his response to it was unbelievable.

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My daughter's dad and I separated when she was 6. He has since remarried. We've always been amicable but I've never been allowed to meet his new wife....

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5141016-i-have-no-one-in-real-life-to-talk-about-this-with-please-help-me-to-feel-better-about-it?page=1%5D%5D

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PullBronzer · 21/03/2025 07:52

Yes, he's a narcissist. They always have to be either the victim or hero, never accountable and extremely self-centred and nasty.

DC will eventually realise this too.

Fuuuuuckit · 21/03/2025 07:53

It's good they're finally seeing him for the shit dad he is.

Mine took a few years longer than id hoped, but now both adult and barely communicate with him.

ThisIsJustShit · 21/03/2025 07:54

They have realised. Im just astounded by it, tbh. His complete lack of self awareness.

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DenholmElliot11 · 21/03/2025 07:55

Yes he’s a narcissist and you’re well rid of him. Kindly though- you need to move on now.

have you got some great plans organised for this weekend?

ThisIsJustShit · 21/03/2025 07:57

And, yes, he has to be the hero.or victim sums him up completely.

He was like that with me although I didn't realise at the time. He even had therapy after we split up and acknowledged it but I think the 'my truth' and having the right to tell people how they made him feel was something he got from therapy too.

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ThisIsJustShit · 21/03/2025 07:58

DenholmElliot11 · 21/03/2025 07:55

Yes he’s a narcissist and you’re well rid of him. Kindly though- you need to move on now.

have you got some great plans organised for this weekend?

I have moved on. I don't speak to him at all but I had two very angry and upset people on the phone to me the other evening and seeing as those people are my children and I'm concerned about them...

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Fluffyholeysocks · 21/03/2025 07:58

If I was your daughter I take him at his word and say if he didn't want cards and gifts in the future they would abide by that. They are adults now, why should they play his ridiculous games. They had both got gifts for him, they both messaged on the date but that wasn't good enough for him ' on his special day' . He's not 5 for God's sake, he's a grown man away on holiday. What a pathetic man child.

ThisIsJustShit · 21/03/2025 07:59

Fluffyholeysocks · 21/03/2025 07:58

If I was your daughter I take him at his word and say if he didn't want cards and gifts in the future they would abide by that. They are adults now, why should they play his ridiculous games. They had both got gifts for him, they both messaged on the date but that wasn't good enough for him ' on his special day' . He's not 5 for God's sake, he's a grown man away on holiday. What a pathetic man child.

I totally agree and that's what they've both said.

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StrawberryDream24 · 21/03/2025 08:05

ThisIsJustShit · 21/03/2025 07:58

I have moved on. I don't speak to him at all but I had two very angry and upset people on the phone to me the other evening and seeing as those people are my children and I'm concerned about them...

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Very stressful op but they have some advantages... A switched on, supportive, kind Mum ...and they are realising themselves what he's like; which they are partly doing because you raised them well.

It's unfortunate but many people have at least one asshole parent.

I would honestly try to see the funny side of him with them; take the absolute piss out of him, nick name him "Me-Me" or something. Take his power away by ridiculing him. You know he's a narcissist, they're adults, they see it themselves, there's no point in beating around the bush. Let it be something you bond over and the the piss out of. Because taking him seriously/to heart is only going to lead to hurt and disappointment on their part, and stress on yours.

AreolaGrande · 21/03/2025 08:09

My exH's dad was like this.

When we were at uni Ex (being 19 and distracted at uni) forgot to post a Father's Day card on time meaning it hadn't turned up by the day. His dad hung up the phone on him when he rang to explain/apologise.

ExH then did the only thing he could think of to make it better. His dad was driving taxis then and was at work and he rang the taxi office and got them to send a message over the internal radio.
His dad went APOPLECTIC at being "humiliated" in front of the other drivers whose kids would all have sent them cards that had arrived in time. They didn't speak for 2 years and have now been fully estranged for 10 years with exFIL never having even met our youngest DC.

Pure narc behaviour and the first thing I thought of when reading your post.

I hope your Ex is ready for a lonely and bitter rest of life.

Just keep being the lovely mum you appear to be and let him crack on.

ThisPresetIsSelected · 21/03/2025 08:10

Sorry OP. I was on your previous thread.
The good thing is, everyone sees him for what he is, and it's a fallout over something extremely minor so no-one is actually hurt.

Good luck in finding the appropriate distance from him. Uni is a strange time where you rethink your "normal" so this is part and parcel of that.
But I'm sorry he's a shit dad.

Anchorage56 · 21/03/2025 08:11

He sounds insane. Not all there!

ThisIsJustShit · 21/03/2025 08:11

StrawberryDream24

Yes, you're right and they did describe him as ridiculous.

And you're also right that many people have at least one shit parent. But fucking hell, how can they not see it themselves?!

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AtrociousCircumstance · 21/03/2025 08:13

Wow, what a nasty, unhinged mess of a man. Your poor kids.

W0tnow · 21/03/2025 08:14

I remember your original thread!

ThisIsJustShit · 21/03/2025 08:15

It was the challenge to think about whether there is anyone in their lives who lets them down that really got them.

My daighter thinks he was actually taking a dig at me on that one and said he sees himself as her great saviour - obviously she's moaned to him about me at times - it ls what teenagers do and he swoops in to rescue her with gifts and messages of love and how he'll always he there for her.

But there are always underlying threats of withdrawal 'if you hurt me...'

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minipie · 21/03/2025 08:17

So glad your kids can see through him.

Picklepower · 21/03/2025 08:18

He's hideous and I'm glad your daughters are old enough to see him for what he is. Grown man throwing tantrum about 'no piles of cards' is so cringe.

StrawberryDream24 · 21/03/2025 08:19

He basically said it was a poor show if she couldn't make the effort for his 'special day

"I was ill, I'm thinking it must have been the same virus doing the rounds that you got when you said you's take me to uni but couldn't .... Am absolute humdinger.... I know it must have been really really bad for you to have not taken me to uni. So you know how bad it was".

🙄

Tbh it's not even worth it though.

StrawberryDream24 · 21/03/2025 08:22

ThisIsJustShit · 21/03/2025 08:11

StrawberryDream24

Yes, you're right and they did describe him as ridiculous.

And you're also right that many people have at least one shit parent. But fucking hell, how can they not see it themselves?!

I have a sister I strongly suspect has NPD.

When I pulled her up about complaining vehemently about having to listen to my other sister's marital problems (after ten years of complaining to the same sister about her own marital problems, until they divorced and taking a sizeable loan from that sister to boot) she gave me that dead eye blank look that I've come to associate with her - when asked to consider her own behaviour/anything approaching reciprocity etc.

They are not capable and they don't change.

pollypoxx · 21/03/2025 08:22

He sounds like an overgrown child. I’m cringing at the example text he thought he should have had. Luckily your dc are seeing him for the twat that he is.

Smallmercies · 21/03/2025 08:23

Please do work on letting this go; he is taking up far too much of your time, energy and emotions. Support your children to do the same, and shift your focus away from this man. He doesn't deserve it. He will never change, but you and your children can free yourselves and find happiness.

Theunamedcat · 21/03/2025 08:24

He genuinely expects them to forgive him because they have done that in the past he will absolutely rage when they don't they need to block him and take him at his word

I feel for them though my ex always manipulates our eldest into believing he is the victim (of fresh air apparently) and that things are my fault DS raged at me on his brothers birthday because I had failed to remind dad so he had forgotten I don't usually dish it back at my son but I did this time I said he was there at his birth same as me his birthday is the same dam day each year and he even has it tattooed on his FUCKING ARM so don't tell me it's MY FAULT he forgot....I got a very small yes mum sorry mum... but how can he forget mum? He was realising that they just weren't important enough for a reminder on the phone or a note on the calendar and it was devastating to him now he is no contact with his dad at 16! It may or may not last but the blinkers are well and truly off

RatedDoingMagic · 21/03/2025 08:24

You are giving him too much of your brain space. You don't need to be personally in contact with him.any more so can block him. Your children are old enough to make their own decisions and you need to support them to have appropriate boundaries and self-respect and a grip on what is reasonable as theit navigate chosing how much contact to have, they don't have to give him any brain space either if they don't want to.

Hoppinggreen · 21/03/2025 08:26

Upsetting as it may be for your children now its actually a good thing, the more he shows what a total twat he is the less they will want to spend time with him.
Sometimes the low level constant twat like behaviour isn't enough and it takes the twat to completely remove any semblance of being a decent parent for the DC to really see it.
I am sure you haven't really told them how awful he is (even though I imagine you have been tempted) you may even have covered for him a bit BUT now they are old enough to see the Twat in all his glory.
Just sit back and support them while watching them distance themselves from him