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I'm loathe to label anyone as a narcissist but... this is just fucking unbelievable...

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ThisIsJustShit · 21/03/2025 07:47

I started a thread in August last year about how my exh husband had shocked us all by trying to manipulate our daughter into not allowing me to take her up to university.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5141016-i-have-no-one-in-real-life-to-talk-about-this-with-please-help-me-to-feel-better-about-it?page=1

This week he has excelled himself.

Last month, he turned 50 and spent 2 weeks on holiday on the other side of the world. He wasn't at home for his birthday. Both children messaged him on the day wishing him a happy birthday and they hoped he was enjoying his holiday and they'd see him when he returned.

Our daughter is at university 200 miles away from home - in the end, he completely refused to travel up to move her up there claiming that he was ill 🙄 As I said in the previous thread, we split up when the children were young and have always co-parented amicably and had often patted ourselves on the back about having done a good job. We've never argued, never fallen out and things have always gone well.

Anyway, the problem this time was that the children hadn't sent him birthday cards and neither had anyone else in his family. I can only assume that this is because he was on the other side of the world on holiday because his family are very big on card giving. Both children had bought him cards/presents but were waiting to see him in person to give them.

Anyway, he sent them both very lengthy and angry diatribes this week about how sad and angry he was, how it was clear nobody loved him about how they had all neglected his 'special day', how he didn't want cards or gifts from them ever again and how they had set the tone now for the future of their relationship with him and he would respond in kind in future.

They both replied saying they were sorry he felt that way, both had cards and gifts but felt it was more meaningful to see him and give them in person. My daughter, in particular, also explained that she was really ill (she was and missed 2 weeks of uni and sporting practices and barely got out of bed) and had essays to still do. He basically said it was a poor show if she couldn't make the effort for his 'special day' and he meant what he said about never wanting cards from them again and that they had set the tone for the future of their relationship.

They are furious. The eldest sees their relationship as done and the youngest (daughter) has sent me screenshots of their various conversations over the years where he has been manipulative and down right cruel to her.

He kept bleating on about 'his truth' and how he has the right to tell people how they have made him feel.

He even sent our daughter an example of the text message he'd expected to receive from her (hers wasn't fawning enough apparently) along the lines of how sad she was at not being able to share his special day with him she missed him and wished she could have been with him on his 'special.day'. Her response to me was, "If I'd sent him something like that, he'd have had a go at me for making him feel guilty on his special day and wasn't he even able to go on holiday to celebrate his special day when I would have been 200 miles away on the day and wouldn't have seen him anyway.' And she's right. That's exactly what he'd have done because that's exactly what he does.

His messages are full of who always tells you that they love you more than anyone else does? Who took you to gymnastics every week and never let you down? And a lot of other things that she described as "just being a parent" although she mocked the "who always tell you they love you.." part saying that actions speak louder than words.

The reality is that he did take her to gymnastics once a week and I took her twice. He never attended a competition, never attended a dance show, never came to parents evening. He lets her down and prioritises himself constantly. He won't do anything for either of them unless it can get public recognition on SM.

The reality is also that he eventually refused to pick her up from work on his allocated nights (I did the others) and told her that if she got ubers, he'd pay her back. Only when this had gone on for a year and a half he told her the £800 that had accrued was too much and he wasn't going to pay. I had no idea of that and, as soon as I realised, my partner or I picked her up on 'his' nights instead.

The reality is that we split up when she was 6 and she never had a bedroom in his 3 bedroomed house because he wanted a cinema room. She had to sleep on a sofa bed that he didn't bother to unfold (so a sofa) in his spare room/office.

He even challenged her to think about whether there is anyone in her life who frequently let's her down and breaks their promises to her or showers her with empty words. She just laughed at that because her response to me was, "Yes, there is. It's him!"

Eg last weekend, she had a sporting competition in our home city. I went, my son went and my partner went. Her dad? Well, he texted her in the morning telling her he was 'ill', which is always his reason for letting her down. He believes she will forgive him and feel sympathetic towards him. In reality, she said it's too obvious a pattern. He makes great promises to her and then lets her down at the last minute because he's ill. But he's kicked off about a birthday card and a less than fawning text message.

He has no idea how much damage he is causing/has caused to his relationships with them. I think he is trying to create a FOG cycle with them but they have seen through this and are just furious with him. And upset.

I don't think I want advice as such, more somewhere to rant!

But fucking hell. I suppose I can understand him being disappointed he didn't have a pile.of cards to return to but his response to it was unbelievable.

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My daughter's dad and I separated when she was 6. He has since remarried. We've always been amicable but I've never been allowed to meet his new wife....

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5141016-i-have-no-one-in-real-life-to-talk-about-this-with-please-help-me-to-feel-better-about-it?page=1%5D%5D

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PenguinLover24 · 23/03/2025 08:04

Yip.. narcissist! Always wants to act the hero and play the victim! I'm also not one to use the term lightly as it's thrown about too often now, but recently realised my stepdad is one and he acts similar (and a whole load of other crap too) it's worrying when other people can't see it and laugh you off (luckily my mum didn't!) who the hell expects people to send cards and gifts to a hotel in another country for someone's birthday 🤣 you get them when you're home, he chose to go away! Hopefully your daughters make this man the first one like this (hopefully last to be honest) they have to deal with and they do what they need to do! Sad that the first man to subject them to this behaviour though is their bloody dad!

ElbowsUpRising · 23/03/2025 08:08

Jesus he sounds unhinged. If I was your Dd I’d be tempted to text him back and say well here is “my truth” and list all the stuff about him not going to dance comps, not paying the uber bill, not giving her a bedroom. Tell him he’s always been a shit dad and then block him. Who wants a relationship with a piece of shit like that?

SandyY2K · 23/03/2025 08:15

He sounds awful.

I'm sorry you kids have a dad like him. He lacks in the ability to self reflect and it's all about him.

He is incapable of seeing where he's at fault and his behaviour, is quite frankly embarrassing.

SandyY2K · 23/03/2025 08:19

ThisIsJustShit · 21/03/2025 18:02

Hi. Thanks for the replies! A vent helps and reading other people's disbelief and experienced has certainly helped!

To respond to a few general things. I've had no contact with him since his wedding about 2 and a half years ago. I'd sent him a message wishing them both luck the week before - such was the amicable nature of our relationship. He replied and thanked me. All fine. But it changed almost overnight. I knew he had these tendancies but didn't see them at all personally once we'd split up.

It all changed once he married though and he refused to have any contact with me at all, which is fine and it isn't necessary now the children are adults.

Both children responded to his initial tirade to tell him that they had got him cards etc but when he replied to them and was still just as vitriolic, neither of them replied. The eldest has been using grey rock for a few years with him. The youngest said she was going to do exactly what some on here suggested and reply pointing out the times he had let her down and behaved badly, and then just thought, do you know what? I can't be bothered. No response is a response and left it.

Neither of them have heard from him since and, as a pp said, probably won't until he contacts them with details of his latest health scare. The youngest has already said that the majority of messages she receives are seeking sympathy.

And yes, goes on a lot of holidays and is never too ill for those. It's simply never even a consideration or a concern that he might be too ill to go. Because he isn't really too ill to do anything he wants to do.

Anyway the eldest (a son, 27) has said that he just has no time for him anymore and won't be in contact with him and will keep responses to any messages brief. I'm not so sure about the youngest. 18 is quite young to give up on a parent completely. But she's no fool either.

She's already been back for a couple of weekends since she started uni and not told him so I think that speaks volumes.

I don't usually like to blame the new wife, but it seems he changed after married her.

I see a lot of posts here and elsewhere, where new wives and partners attend happy about contact with the Ex, especially when the kids are grown up.

Having said that, these behaviours of his are all self serving.

ThisIsJustShit · 23/03/2025 09:01

ElbowsUpRising · 23/03/2025 08:08

Jesus he sounds unhinged. If I was your Dd I’d be tempted to text him back and say well here is “my truth” and list all the stuff about him not going to dance comps, not paying the uber bill, not giving her a bedroom. Tell him he’s always been a shit dad and then block him. Who wants a relationship with a piece of shit like that?

She's not ready to do that yet.

She wants to, but she also knows what his rage is like - he has sent her some truly awful.text messages in the past that she has kept. She told me the other day that she doesn't like to he reminded of how he's spoken to her in the past, but she also can't let herself forget.

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ThisIsJustShit · 23/03/2025 09:07

SandyY2K · 23/03/2025 08:15

He sounds awful.

I'm sorry you kids have a dad like him. He lacks in the ability to self reflect and it's all about him.

He is incapable of seeing where he's at fault and his behaviour, is quite frankly embarrassing.

I know but he really hasn't always been this bad.

There were definitely moments of him being a bit of a dick but not like this and he and I have always been able to communicate respectfully and had each other's back ls where the childen were concerned and just generally. Boundaries were always good too.

It got worse with our daughter when she turned 15 (after lockdown) and I think he felt he was losing his grip on his 'little girl'.

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ThisIsJustShit · 23/03/2025 09:18

SandyY2K · 23/03/2025 08:19

I don't usually like to blame the new wife, but it seems he changed after married her.

I see a lot of posts here and elsewhere, where new wives and partners attend happy about contact with the Ex, especially when the kids are grown up.

Having said that, these behaviours of his are all self serving.

No, I don't either.

The eldest is his stepchild and he voluntarily paid maintenence after we split up until he turned 18 and always treated him equally to our shared daughter.

My personal feeling is that she didn't really understand that they had a parent/child bond and resented the relationship he had with, what she saw as, his ex's child. Especially once he reached adulthood.

He also never quibbled about maintenance which wasn't an insignificant amount but I did learn from something my daughter told me he'd said to her that they both resented it and referred to it as my 'free money' that took away from them.

I think I hadn't realised that what I saw as a positive, constructive and supportive co-parenting relationship was something he and his partner/wife saw as a necessary evil. I think the version of me he has painted to her is very different form the reality, which I also think is the reason we've never been allowed to meet.

Referring back to.my original thread, my daughter is really pissed off that he didn't go to take her to.university with us, not because she really wanted him there in the end but because she knows that he's going to pull the same nonsense when it comes to her graduation, her wedding, all the big events in her life.

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SandyY2K · 23/03/2025 09:42

ThisIsJustShit · 23/03/2025 09:18

No, I don't either.

The eldest is his stepchild and he voluntarily paid maintenence after we split up until he turned 18 and always treated him equally to our shared daughter.

My personal feeling is that she didn't really understand that they had a parent/child bond and resented the relationship he had with, what she saw as, his ex's child. Especially once he reached adulthood.

He also never quibbled about maintenance which wasn't an insignificant amount but I did learn from something my daughter told me he'd said to her that they both resented it and referred to it as my 'free money' that took away from them.

I think I hadn't realised that what I saw as a positive, constructive and supportive co-parenting relationship was something he and his partner/wife saw as a necessary evil. I think the version of me he has painted to her is very different form the reality, which I also think is the reason we've never been allowed to meet.

Referring back to.my original thread, my daughter is really pissed off that he didn't go to take her to.university with us, not because she really wanted him there in the end but because she knows that he's going to pull the same nonsense when it comes to her graduation, her wedding, all the big events in her life.

Many stepmums are resentful of child support. You see threads where the stepmums say " SK will be 18 and I can't wait for CS to stop" Apart from the money they think being a parent ends at 18 and are often quick to say the SKs are using dad and really create conflict.

There's a lot of jealousy and often what was once a harmonious coparent relationship becomes challenging when a new woman comes along.

The message he sent your kids is essentially him bowing out and trying to justify it. How very childish of him. It's crazy.

You think he'd want to be there for your DD, but I've seen SMs get upset that dad was going to drop a child off at uni and his Ex would be there too. Some SMs get very jealous about it.

The graduation and other occasions are similar. Some SMs won't allow dad to go unless they can go to and we know how limited the tickets can be to graduations.

I hope he won't disappoint your daughter at special occasions in the future, but his recent behaviour isn't hopeful.

ElbowsUpRising · 23/03/2025 12:01

ThisIsJustShit · 23/03/2025 09:01

She's not ready to do that yet.

She wants to, but she also knows what his rage is like - he has sent her some truly awful.text messages in the past that she has kept. She told me the other day that she doesn't like to he reminded of how he's spoken to her in the past, but she also can't let herself forget.

I can totally relate to that. I went NC with my mum in my late 30s and should have done it years earlier but was scared of her reaction. Whereas in reality when I did it and told her some home truths then she didn’t react. Wish I’d done it sooner! 😁. But the fear is on another level…and it doesn’t make sense really because I knew I could block her/not answer the door if necessary. But was paralysed by fear. I also kept the nasty letters she wrote me in case I ever need to remind myself of what she was like. She’s been dead a few years now and I have no regrets about going NC with her.

ThisIsJustShit · 23/03/2025 12:26

ElbowsUpRising · 23/03/2025 12:01

I can totally relate to that. I went NC with my mum in my late 30s and should have done it years earlier but was scared of her reaction. Whereas in reality when I did it and told her some home truths then she didn’t react. Wish I’d done it sooner! 😁. But the fear is on another level…and it doesn’t make sense really because I knew I could block her/not answer the door if necessary. But was paralysed by fear. I also kept the nasty letters she wrote me in case I ever need to remind myself of what she was like. She’s been dead a few years now and I have no regrets about going NC with her.

I understand that ompeletely.

At 18, I still think she's in the throes of 'but he's my dad...'

I know she's not ready to cut him off yet but, if this continues, I think once she feels totally independent she might do.

For example, she has quite a high prescription for her glasses. She pays for them herself now but pays for the highest level of thinning due to the strength/thickness of the lenses. Which also means she has limited frame choice. She wanted contacts a few years ago. He and I used to share the cost but he said he'd continue to pay for those, along with her mobile phone contract, during university.

He has threatened to stop paying for both before - things like, if she spends time with him, he expects her to wear her contacts because a) she looks prettier without them and he makes her remove her glasses before photos if she's wearing them; and b) he should benefit from seeing her in contacts. What is the point in him paying for them if she's going to wear glasses when she sees him? She actually prefers wearing glasses in and around the house and she can't see the featues on her face in a mirror if she doesn't.

He threatens to cancel her phone contract if they argue because he says he doesn't want her using it to 'slag him off' to me or her friends and doesn't see why he should pay for her to do that.

So, yeah, she's scared of standing up to him.

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ElbowsUpRising · 23/03/2025 12:34

Yes as she gets older and less financially dependent on him maybe she will find it easier. My mum did all the threats too, though she was limited to cutting me out the will as I didn’t need money from her. She followed through with the threat which was fine by me. They all follow the same script!

Agapornis · 23/03/2025 12:49

Jeez. Can she look at taking out a cheap SIM only contract with e.g. Lebara, and transfering the phone number? It'd cost about £5 a month - a step to independence, and I'd say that's worth it for removing that worry.

The glasses/contacts thing - no words. I hope she knows she's beautiful with and without glasses. Her looks don't have to please anyone, let alone her father.

ThisIsJustShit · 23/03/2025 13:53

He's got her a very nice contract, with a very nice phone and unlimited everything. She couldn't afford to replace that and, whilst I've suggested it, she's also 18 and got used to it - its her phone. And she knows that doing this will anger him because it's one less avenue of control.

He got her a much more expensive contract with the latest iPhone after the last time he threatened to cancel it and she told him to go ahead. He presented it as a sign of how much he loves her and of how hurt he was that she had pushed him to threatening to cancel it. Like I said, it's all manipulation.

As for the contact lenses, her brother has already told her he'll take over paying for them if he threatens to cancel them again.

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outerspacepotato · 23/03/2025 14:37

He's an ex for reasons. Why do you give him so much headspace?

I would advise your kids as they're adults that he uses money for control and to cut or lessen their financial ties as much as possible. Go on a asshole diet and cut the assholes.

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