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I need a good rant - advice also helpful!

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Sunflowers67 · 12/03/2025 12:21

So, we have been together about 15 years now - living together for 14 of those.
I always knew he was a little 'quirky' but I suppose with family, friends, busy career, I was able to handle it better.
Now, we are both semi retired, my dad passed away so my mum lives with us (not easy, but what else can an only child do), the kids have left home and his 'quirky' little ways are far more noticeable, annoying and darn right hurtful at times.
We are also due to get married in two weeks and I don't think I'm gonna do it. It wont bother him if we don't, he'll just shrug his shoulders and carry on as usual. He wont leave our home or threaten to end the relationship - he never does. Sometimes I wish there would be a huge display of emotion and anger and then we can both just shout at each other, get it out of our systems and then communicate and repair. But he doesn't communicate, he never sees a problem and I am increasingly becoming immune and unfeeling towards him - I suppose its a form of self protection.
We have separate bedrooms, seperate interests and I would say we have lived together like two mates for years - except I don't treat my mates like this.

So, what does he do that is so bad? he doesn't drink much, he is not a cheat, he is not secretive, he would help anyone (except me), he tolerates my mother living with us, he gets on well with my grown up kids (he chooses not to see his family).
He has no emotions, he cannot 'read a room', he doesnt know when I am sad or worried or down as he cannot recognise body language or facial expressions. I have felt for quite some time that he is maybe autistic (his son is, which is why he chooses not to see him - he cant handle the skewed thoughts and strange behaviours from him and never did when he was a small child - the boy was raised by his alcoholic mother, we tried for custody but because we didn't get it, my other half then decided to not see the boy).
Not my style of parenting, but it was his choice.
Now, as we are getting on in years and my health has taken a down turn, I need his support and understanding more. And it isn't there. But then it never was.
I spend my days doing my own thing around the large property that we have - if we try and do something together, gardening, cleaning, maintenance, he just gets frustrated that I'm not doing it his way! So we work separately.
Many a time I have tried to talk to him and he takes it so personally, gets angry, wants very specific examples of how his behaviour has hurt me - and even if I do remember specifics, he then disputes it and turns it all around so as its me with the problem.
Then I am the one more upset, the one staying in my room wondering how my life amounted to this? And what dooes he do whilst I'm upset? He is carrying on as normal, in his own little world. He'll put some music on, he will sing and whistle and be merry. I suppose in his mind, this is me being me - moody, upset and I will snap out of it in a few days. Which I do. The hurt dissipates a little so I carry on functioning normally again - I will talk to him, I will get busy and then round we go again. Same old same old.
I have given up trying to talk to him, I know it does no good. I have tried to get us into some counselling but no where near me does 'couples counselling' - he is willing to go if I find somewhere. He is probably hoping that a counsellor will point out 'the error of my ways'.
I think what bothers me the most is the fact that it doesn't bother him that we are like this - that he is not upset, he doesn't try to talk to me about us, there is just nothing there with him.
I am upstairs now, typing this, and I can hear him downstairs singing away, happy and joyful. I feel like I want to go downstairs and hit him with the large skillet and scream 'feel that buster?!' - I wont, I'm not a violent person. But god does he bring out the worst in me.

Going our separate ways is probably the best option but its quite a scary thought to go it alone after 15 years - and then splitting all the assets, looking after mother, tending to this large place/or even having to sell it and split the proceeds, lawyers. He also would not leave the home so we would be living in more hell until everything was finalised and I am the only one that feels the pain of that.

I suppose I really want us/him to change. And I'm old enough to know that wont happen - been there/divorced that many years ago.

Thank you for letting me offload.

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Sunflowers67 · 26/03/2025 17:25

I am a 'heart on the sleeve' type of person, and very open and honest - also one that has told him everything over the last 15 years - he was my best friend, or so I thought.
Old habits die hard but I'm learning - Grey Rock - got it!

Its also very hard to just switch off those feelings and to stop caring about him - I know full well that he doesn't care about me, I know he is unkind and abusive towards me - but probably this 'Stockholm Syndrome' type of behaviour from me will toughen up some over the coming weeks/months.

Yes, the solicitor will sort the house, there may have to be a mediator involved also as he will not agree to anything I suggest.
I have to keep in mind that this is a man child, a young lad - and adult conversations will not be possible.
Its only day 1 of officially living together as separated and he is in his own room, listening to loud rock music, singing along and laughing - whilst the smoke alarm is going off in the kitchen as he has burnt his tea.

Praying for an alien abduction here.

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Daleksatemyshed · 26/03/2025 17:42

For you or for him? Don't rise to the bait Op, it's going to be a long, hard journey unless you learn to ignore, ignore, ignore

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 26/03/2025 17:53

And he's waiting for you to fix it. To make his tea. It's deliberate. He isn't a man child. He's a nasty piece of work.

AtrociousCircumstance · 26/03/2025 18:22

What a total idiot.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 26/03/2025 21:46

He is NOT a young lad !!!

you have known him 15 years or so, so he must be 33+ tho I believe he is considerably older, as you have said you have been divorced for yonks.

he is a manipulative man.

remember that

Sunflowers67 · 31/03/2025 00:07

Bit of an update in my 'dear diary' thread.
All quiet on the western front - living in the same house, avoid each other successfully most of the time, no communication but when we do bump into each other in passing, he acts completely normal. Its very bizarre. He is over jolly, grinning, happy and full of the joys of spring.
I wonder if it is an act, a bit of a middle finger to me "See! You cant get me down" or it really has had no impact on him at all. I wonder if he is still thinking that any day now I will apologise or maybe he is just a little retarded.

I am doing surprisingly well - so much so that I am surprising myself :-)
I haven't broken down in a blubbery mess, I am coping with everything on my own and I don't even miss his company one little bit - he is just an annoying inconvenience living in the spare bedroom.

I don't think he has been drinking at all in the house since I informed him that any repeats of that sort of emotional abuse from him whilst pickled would result in the police being called - so maybe, despite his initial defiance and denial and that I was 'mental' and 'how dare I tell him what to do'- something may have sunk in somewhere. Who knows and who cares.

Solicitor this week and find out what the plan of action is going to be, third counselling session, meeting a new friend for coffee and running mother to her endless medical appointments - which keeps me pretty busy!

Also had a long telephone call with my oldest & best friend today and she always puts me right - we thought we'd have a ten minute catch up and it was two hours before we knew it.

I have discovered this week that I also like country music - who'd have thought it. Most of the songs are about lost love and heartbreak but I just tell my mate Alexa to skip those - no sense tempting fate that the blubbing may just be lurking around the corner.

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Ilovemeggy38 · 31/03/2025 10:16

You are doing so well OP..
His whistling, grinning and faux joyfulness is just his desperate attempt to show you he's not bothered, when in reality he's absolutely fucking fuming you have had the strength to call it a day on his abuse and are actually doing just fine.
It's a classic response from a narcissistic man, expect the next phase of him getting all dressed up, aftershave etc and going "on dates"
It will all be designed to reel you back in, make you second guess your absolutely right decision to end this abusive relationship.
Be strong, rise above his manipulation and be free and well rid of him!

Sunflowers67 · 31/03/2025 23:07

"Expect the next phase of him getting all dressed up, aftershave etc and going "on dates".......oh please please meet someone else and go away 😁

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Sunflowers67 · 02/04/2025 16:42

Third counselling session today and first solicitor meet tomorrow.
We have deduced that although I was a strong, capable and assertive person with my business head on, around him I am just meek, doubting myself and unable to communicate my boundaries - many reasons for that but I need to find the person that I was at work.

I came home from the session today ready to talk to him (or at least try!) - we do need to communicate about the future of the house & business, the day to day running of it - he cannot just stay in his bedroom and avoid all responsibility.

I sent him a message (better to keep things in writing) asking him to meet me in the garden to talk - I got a 'thumbs up' emoji.

It didn't go too well.

First, he told me that he couldnt get into anything 'heavy' as his mind was very jumbled. His doctor had put him on Citalopram and he couldn't think. But he'd talk in a week or so.
Not sure why he agreed to talk if he is unable to.
I produced the monthly accounts for the business, informed him that any profit this month went on our household bills and there was nothing left for personal spends.
He wasn't really interested, but that is nothing new.
The assertive me then said "I understand that you feel unable to talk about anything too in depth right now, but I do need to know if you have a preference to selling up or buying me out - these are things that I need to know to move forward".
His whole manner changed then - he sat back, folded his arms and said "So! You are still going ahead with this then? You are 100% sure that you want us over?"

I repeated what I had said 3 (?) weeks ago that I refuse to live with someone who has so little regard for my feelings and who drinks to the point of calling me a C*nt and banging on my door - that I find his behaviour unacceptable".

He then said "You called the police on me!!!!!! And yet you think my behaviour is unacceptable. Ha! And you still lock your bedroom door at night? You are just mental".

I ended the conversation there and walked away.

He doesn't get it at all, it is not my job to explain it to him and I don't want to.

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Sunflowers67 · 02/04/2025 16:58

I get it! It's just dawned on me that despite me telling him three weeks ago that we were over, him leaving for a week, still not speaking, living like lodgers in the same house - he thought I was going to apologise and everything would be okay again.
That's why he got angry when he realised I was just talking about the business and what we both want to happen to the house and business.
How odd that he goes to the doctor now (I have asked repeatedly in the past that he speak to our doctor) that he goes on medication (again, always refused anything) - he can do that now because this is affecting him but not when his odd behaviour was affecting me for the last two+ years.

Oh piffle to it all - I hope he gets some help. I'm helping me now.

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eatreadsleeprepeat · 02/04/2025 17:25

Be glad you are not married so one less thing to unravel. I doubt he will change, long discussions, if you can get past the automatic denials, might persuade him to try to show empathy and concern but it doesn’t sound as if there is much relationship to salvage. The problem with being the looker after, coper, nurturer is that it becomes entrenched and you don’t get looked after. There is nothing more lonely than feeling alone in a supposed relationship.
At least you are used to being semi detached within the home so if you decide to separate you can view it as a series of practical problems to solve.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 02/04/2025 17:28

When you do see the solicitor tomorrow, you ought to ask if there is any legal way to get his name off the title deeds to the house - as he is not on the mortgage ? and that he coerced you into it.

edited for clumsy finger spelling

Daleksatemyshed · 02/04/2025 20:39

I said to you a while back that he'd come back and think everything was back to normal, he really can't take on board that you've had enough and genuinely want to break up, it seems silly but he's like a child, if he hides under the bedclothes it will all go away. It's annoying because legal interventions cost money but he can't understand you're really over and only a third party is going to make him face reality

Molstraat · 03/04/2025 08:51

Could he be any clearer.

He knows Exactly what he is doing.
He is manipulative, controlling and a bully.

He has you down as extremely dim and thinks he can continue to manipulate you as he has done for years.

Sunflowers67 · 03/04/2025 12:07

Solicitor meeting today - at least I know where I stand now.
He is on the title deeds along with myself and mum - and nothing can change that.
We sell and divide the proceeds or buy him out.....If he refuses either to just be awkward and not face reality then it goes to court who will force the issue. The cost to do that is around £30-£40K - of which 'the loser' pays for.
The solicitor is 100% certain that he would lose.
So, the next stage is 'making him an offer' based on the value of the home to buy him out, giving him a time scale to respond by and then issue him with official documents to start court proceedings if necessary. That process can take 1-2 years.
I guess I need to go and speak to the bank soon and see if they will lend this old girl some money/speak to son about a joint mortgage and try and put a kidney up for sale.

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waterrat · 03/04/2025 12:10

He abandoned his son. that's not a 'parenting choice'. its a total character failing.

AutumnFroglets · 03/04/2025 12:12

He is angry because you are not capitulating. It really is that simple. Reading your follow on posts it's coming across that you are in danger of becoming too inward looking and navel gazing when you should be stepping back and looking at your situation from a distance. You can do the navel gazing once it's legally done and he is far away. Now is not the time as it will make you too emotional and much more easily manipulated (if that is even possible). Remember, he knows how to push your buttons and he does push them on a weekly basis, spanning 15 years. He knows your weaknesses way better than you. Your best protection is to harden your emotions and take them out of the equation until you are in a safe space/time to examine them.

I sent him a message (better to keep things in writing) asking him to meet me in the garden to talk
Errrrrrmmm???? How does that work as evidence?? It does not. Everything in text, letter or email. At a push, voice recorder. You need to start looking at him as the "enemy" who will take you down at any second. Because he will.

BeckyBismuth · 03/04/2025 12:38

Sunflowers67 · 31/03/2025 23:07

"Expect the next phase of him getting all dressed up, aftershave etc and going "on dates".......oh please please meet someone else and go away 😁

With his bad back and terrible feet?! Good luck with that!

Daleksatemyshed · 03/04/2025 13:17

If court could take 1or 2 years Op then I'd be inclined to tell him you've had legal advice and make him a reasonably generous offer, tell him he can have ££s from the sale or he can be awkward, end up in court and lose £30,000 and leave later. Maybe, just maybe, if he sees he's going to have to leave regardless he might see reason.

Sunflowers67 · 15/04/2025 23:39

Bit of an update on the situation - not that there is much to update.
He was given his options in writing with a deadline of when I wanted his decision by - namely the day after tomorrow.
Apparently he wanted my solicitor so has had to find another, which is proving difficult. Rubbish - there are more solicitors here than barber shops!
Anyway, he has an appointment tomorrow.

No communication at home and he mainly stays in his bedroom - being extremely loud, shouting, swearing, laughing, music etc. So much so that I can't really watch TV in the living room. But I am saying nothing - let him play his games.

He did send me an email demanding copies of my bank statements (jog on buster) and forbidding me to purchase anything via the business bank account without his authorisation (jog on again) - that email was given the attention it deserved - nothing.

All in all, I'm pretty calm and collected and just waiting on his decision to sell me his share so as I can then find out if I can re-mortgage/get a loan to buy him out.

He continues to act like nothing is wrong in his world, does nothing to help around the place, tells anyone that will listen that he has "no idea what is wrong with me, splitting up after all these years over something so trivial" - well, being called a "fat ugly c*nt" and being scared in my own home is not trivial.

But I don't engage, I avoid him, do my own thing, see my counsellor and now a lovely lady from the local domestic abuse support group as well. I read lots of things on how to look after me and I just want this over and my home peaceful and a place to call my sanctuary.

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OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 15/04/2025 23:53

He sounds confused,
does he think he is married to you
does he think he owns the business.
I hope he makes it very clear to his solicitor that you are not married to him.

Sunflowers67 · 16/04/2025 00:10

He feels his entitled to half of everything despite not being married (the house, yes he is entitled to his share as per the deeds), but not anything else.
Unfortunately, he is one of these people that knows everything, never admits when they are wrong and will argue that black is white.
So, I am hoping his legal advice will put him right and he can quit trying to bully me into giving him details of my bank account.
But I am sure his solicitor will be wrong, not know what they are talking about - at least not compared to his mates down the pub - and be a waste of money that would have been better spent on the 3.15 at Cheltenham and a bottle of scotch 🤔😄

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GenerousGardener · 16/04/2025 19:45

Good luck OP. Hope you get things sorted and get rid of your dead wood.

Sunflowers67 · 17/04/2025 11:42

What will I miss about him?
The security of knowing there is someone else around to help in an emergency.
The extra pair of hands when we are busy
Knowing how to operate the thermostat/boiler and satellite do-da
Oh dear - that is it?

What wont I miss?
Feeling of being on egg shells, anxious, confused, upset around him - a myriad of emotions all the time.
His childish sexual innuendos
His attempts to guilt trip when I don't want to be mauled
His inability to hug me without grabbing at a body part
His drinking
His gambling
Always being right
Denying he said or did something when I know he did
His fussy food habits
Me always organising everything from day trips to holidays to the very rare 'date night'.
Never a compromise - his way or no way
His moods and air of disapproval
His sarcastic comments and put downs
His noise - music/tv/just walking around - always has to be loud.

I'm sure there is so much more.

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Daleksatemyshed · 17/04/2025 14:12

Well your for and against list speaks very clearly Op. I really hope his solicitor can talk some sense into him for you

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