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Am I being an absolute baby over this? Need some advice please

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SweetBabyCheesus · 10/02/2025 13:13

Apologies, prepare yourselves, this is a long one!

I'm 54, & my brother is 45. We are really close, and I would consider him one of my best friends, and I thought he thought the same.

My brother is getting married abroad later in the year. His fiancée is from the country that they are marrying in, although she lives with him in the UK. They have been together for about 12 years, I think. We all get on great.

A few weeks ago, midweek, my stepdad sent me a pic of my mum all dressed up. I sent my mum a message asking where she was going looking so glam - and she replied that she was going to my brother's wedding in London. Then said that it was just a formality and they had to do this to enable the wedding in the autumn abroad. My mum and stepdad were there, my sister was there as she can't go to the 'proper' wedding, and my brother's fiancée (wife!)'s parents and brother were there (from their home country).

I was at this point really confused, because despite having spoken to my brother in the last couple of weeks - NOBODY has mentioned this to me at all. Not a word. I speak to my mum at least once a week too.

Then they all started sending me pics, of the wedding at the registry office, pics on the steps of the happy couple, and pics of the meal that they all went to afterwards - and now I'm really starting to feel hurt.

Later in the evening, my brother sent me a pic of them signing the register, saying something along the lines of "just the formal bit before the actual wedding!"

I replied "Congratulations!! Looks like you've all had a lovely day!! ❤️❤️ xxx"
He replied back "Have I done something? That sounded a little clipped"
I messaged him back saying I was absolutely gutted that I knew nothing about this, and that I wasn't invited, and that I really didn't want to spoil his day, so could we speak another time?
I am still waiting for a response, almost 3 weeks later.

I need some opinions. I'm not one for conflict, but I also won't walk away from confrontation if needed. I am beyond hurt. Everyone else in my close family was there apart from me. Her parents flew in from another country, and I wasn't even invited.

My brother is quite a difficult person, but we understand each other and accept each other warts and all. I love him dearly, and he knows that - and trust me, if I had done this to him, he would never forgive me.

I cannot understand in what world, ANY of them couldn't have thought that this would hurt me. My mum thinks that he just 'forgot' to tell me because it wasn't a big deal - but it was enough of a big deal for everyone to dress up, all go out for dinner, and take loads of pictures... Without me.

The point also needs to be made that the message I sent to my brother was in no way "clipped". His message to me smacks of a guilty conscience. So why didn't he invite me?

I'm stuck in this awful limbo of wanting to get this sorted out, but at the same time, I'm sick of smoothing things over to the detriment of my own feelings. Why should I message him again? Why should I fork out thousands of pounds that I honestly don't have, to go to a wedding of someone that apparently cares so little about me?

Am I being unreasonable to be so hurt? Am I being a massive drama queen? Am I making it all about me?

I'm just gutted.

OP posts:
OrangePeel2 · 10/02/2025 19:59

GravyBoatWars · 10/02/2025 18:45

Oh, I’m so sorry. That is hurtful. Honestly I think your mum (and maybe your sister depending on the nature of her disabilities) sending all the pics is the worst thing to me.

I can sort of see how this came about… it’s common to do a legal marriage at home before a wedding abroad because it can be an expensive pain in the arse to do a legal wedding in a lot of places if you don’t live there and aren’t a citizen (England is like this actually, whereas Scotland makes it very easy). So the couple just wants to go down to the registrar’s and do their legal process but they’re not thinking of it as a wedding. They’re required to bring two witnesses and parents are a natural choice… maybe it was your mum and they thought adding your sister as the required second made sense since she can’t go to the wedding itself. But then if you invite one set of parents and not the other now there are issues, so the bride’s parents are invited and then they insist on bringing their son and the parents decide this should be a nice affair and we’ll treat everyone to a luncheon and the simple paperwork signing the bride & groom intended is now a whole big thing. This sort of runaway train effect is why the standard advice to eloping couples or those who don’t want a wedding is to just not tell anyone at all until it’s over.

But even if that’s what happened, once your brother realized the train had left the station he needed to acknowledge it and talk to you. I’m guessing a text/call explaining all this with “Mum and PIL won’t listen to us but we really don’t want this to be a wedding, we want [wedding abroad] to be our real wedding, but I wanted to tell you what was happening so you didn’t feel like we’re trying to leave you out” would have helped immensely. Just ignoring it was absolutely the worst, most insensitive approach.

Honestly I’d probably not let this sit with your brother, but I wouldn’t just not go to the wedding either if you have a good relationship. That’s not a thing you can undo if the two of you were to make up later. Yes he should be the one to reach but he hasn’t and I wouldn’t toss the relationship away without trying to initiate. I’d call and just say “What the hell happened? Do you know how awful it felt to have mum and sister suddenly sending me pictures of your wedding that I hadn’t even been told about?”

And this too 👍

Mumtobabyhavoc · 10/02/2025 19:59

SuperTrooper14 · 10/02/2025 19:34

There could be a million reasons why he chose not to invite her but I don't think it's fair to blame his mum and sister. It wasn't their news to share and they were clearly under orders not to say anything.

But the family wasn't apparently like that.
What family condones secrets and exclusions like this?

DoloresODonovan · 10/02/2025 20:01

OP where is the new SiL in this, decision making, secrecy, lack of communication ?

Bangolads · 10/02/2025 20:01

I think you have absolutely every right to feel upset. I’m guessing they had a limit on the number of people they could have attending and for some reason they thought if they played it down and didn’t invite you, it would be fine. This was incredibly short sighted of them. They should have just spoken to you. You must feel very rejected by your whole family. I don’t think your mum is minimising your feelings though. If I were her I would feel very much caught in the middle and I wouldn’t want to detract from the couple’s happiness. You’ve told your brother what you think ( tbf I think you should have waited a day or two), and I think it’s fair to say he isn’t going to apologise. So what do you want to happen? This may be a hard pill to swallow but I think you need to move on from it if you want to maintain a relationship with your brother. One thing I have learned is that even our favourite people who we love the most will hurt us at some point and never ever take responsibility. Obviously it depends on what they do, but kn this case I think it’s okay to know you’ve been hurt and move on. Contact him and say hi. Life really is too short.

Kitchensinktoday · 10/02/2025 20:01

It's that all of them kept it a secret. The thought that they conspired to not tell you is what kills.

yes, sadly

Differentbreed · 10/02/2025 20:02

My brother did this, without the foreign wedding. My father and his wife (my mum is no longer with us) and my brother’s wife’s parents and siblings were invited. I understand wanting to keep it small but I had no idea they were even getting married until dad sent a video of their vows. It hurt like hell so I fully get you OP!

teentantrums · 10/02/2025 20:02

This is awful OP. I don’t think I could make the first move here. It’s the fact that so many members of your family were ok with this and didn’t say "hang on a minute, what are we doing?"

Saharafordessert · 10/02/2025 20:02

Everything you’re feeling is entirely valid OP. Please don’t let anyone from your family tell you otherwise!
I, like many other posters, wouldn’t go to the abroad party, what they’ve done is truly horrible.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 10/02/2025 20:06

Thought: OP is nine years older. Is it possible brother is still thought of as the baby and perhaps, the golden child? And that older sister is more maternal than sibling to him? And he therefore takes her for granted, always has and occadionally just excludes her in other ways that get brushed off? No he's thrown a strop because she actually called him out?

CharlieUniformNovemberTangoYankee · 10/02/2025 20:06

I don't think I've read anything on here that's made me want to give the OP a hug as much as this.
I'm also the eldest of three, with a sister and (sometimes challenging) brother, both of whom I love dearly. I would be in absolute bits in your shoes. It really hurts my heart to even think about it.
It's the way that they all kept it secret, let you find out in the way you did and even now can't bring themselves to even acknowledge the hurt they caused you, intentionally or otherwise. Even worse, you're being treated like it's you that's in the wrong.
What would I do? I'd phone my brother on the basis of clearing the air before the 'wedding'. You deserve an explanation and the opportunity to tell him how you feel. You're upset, of course you might cry. But frankly if he responds with anything other than kindness and wanting to patch things up, then he's a childish prick who doesn't deserve a sister who clearly loves him as much as you do.
As for the rest of your family, I'd be letting them know that it's no longer OK to upset you to keep somebody else sweet - because that's what's happened here.
I hope they all manage to make amends for their complete disregard for your feelings and that you find it in your heart to forgive them x

Mumtobabyhavoc · 10/02/2025 20:08

@Differentbreed

Not to derail, but what did you do? That's so awful. 💔

SweetBabyCheesus · 10/02/2025 20:09

I'm really sorry that I haven't been able to keep up and reply to everyone.

I truly, truly appreciate all of your kind words today.

I've been inwardly trying to sweep it under the carpet for the last couple of weeks, but it's a huge deal to me. I'm a really sentimental person, and to have missed my little brother's wedding has cut to the core. That's never going to happen again, nobody can go back in time, it's done.

The fact that he hasn't come to me to explain, or apologise, or even discuss it, is so far away from who I thought he was, that it really makes me question everything I thought about him.

I will never trust any of them ever again. If any of them owned it, and accepted my feelings as valid, it would be different - but by all accounts, it's much easier to just let me stew over it and not care.

OP posts:
Mumtobabyhavoc · 10/02/2025 20:11

I's so sorry @SweetBabyCheesus 🩷

Rainplops · 10/02/2025 20:13

I think your last post is very thoughtful - it has shattered your idea of who they were.

I am truly gutted for you.

Notsosure1 · 10/02/2025 20:14

SuperTrooper14 · 10/02/2025 19:22

I really do why you're upset he's not contacted you since, but you did unload at him when he was supposed to be celebrating his marriage by telling him how gutted you were. Really it would've been better to clear the air the morning after, because I imagine that became the focus of the evening.

I'd pick up the phone and sort it out before the rift gets any worse.

when he was supposed to be celebrating his marriage

But according to him (et al) “It was JUST a formality!” (ad infinitum) 🙄

harriethoyle · 10/02/2025 20:15

SweetBabyCheesus · 10/02/2025 19:51

Also - I didn't 'unload' on him - and I tried not to engage at all. This is what I wrote back:-

I'm absolutely gutted that I didn't know about it, and that I wasn't invited. I have done everything I can to avoid all of you since I found out this morning, because I am trying so hard not to to spoil your day. Can we talk about it another day please?

Even then, I was trying not to spoil his day. I don't think I can be accused of unloading on him on his special day, that's not fair.

I think this is a very restrained and conciliatory message in the circumstances @SweetBabyCheesus - and makes your brothers subsequent silence even more baffling and hurtful. You couldn’t have been clearer that you didn’t want to hijack his day. I suspect he feels guilty and ashamed but is relying on self righteousness “she made my wedding all about her!” hence “wounded silence” to try and rewrite the narrative. Attack being the best form of defence…

StillSittingInACornerIHaunt · 10/02/2025 20:15

OP I'm so sorry.
I feel from your replies that the main thing that has hurt you, that feels unforgivable, was that they all didn't tell you. I would be the same in your position.
If you do try to talk to any of them about it, I think it'll be good to try and focus on that as the truly hurtful thing.
They can all have plenty of excuses/reasons for you not being able to be there, it was just a formality, we needed equal numbers per side blah blah.
The issue is they decided not to tell you about it at all.
Why did they decide not to tell you?
Why did they think that wouldn't upset you?
This is the thing to try and understand from them, if you do decide to try.
They'll all keep trying to explain it away. Don't let them distract from the important questions.
Why did they decide not to tell you about it?
Why did they think not telling you wouldn't upset you?
💐

bert3400 · 10/02/2025 20:16

There could have been a limit on the numbers of people allowed in the registry office. My son got married recently and we were only allowed 10 people including the bride and groom in the ceremony.

You have a right to be hurt but speak to him and find out why you weren't invited

CustardySergeant · 10/02/2025 20:16

It's absolutely heartbreaking, SweetBabyCheesus. I'm so sorry you're going through this. You must feel so betrayed by them all, as well as bewildered that your brother has ignored your pain.

GoldPoster · 10/02/2025 20:18

I’d be hurt. That was the actual wedding, they are now married. The formal bit is it, every thing else is a party.

Lulabellez · 10/02/2025 20:19

Do They all live near each other ? (Except the wife’s parents) I can see how he might have thought just to invite his family close by if he didn’t really want to make a thing of it and some can’t make it to wedding abroad but it’s really really cruel of them all not to tell you until the day and to minimise your feelings. Anyone would be hurt by this. You deserve a sincere apology from all of them. Have none of them reached out and Atleast validated your feelings? This is really odd behaviour. To send you a photo as if you knew all about it but couldn’t come.

Missj25 · 10/02/2025 20:21

AHH OP , I don’t think this would be okay in anyone’s world..
That’s so upsetting & so fucking weird of all your Family !!!!
I don’t know what to say , only I read your post & felt really sorry for you x

GabriellaMontez · 10/02/2025 20:21

Sorry, that's really hurtful. What absolutely thoughtless bastards. I'd feel thoroughly betrayed. <flowers>

SweetBabyCheesus · 10/02/2025 20:21

Lulabellez · 10/02/2025 20:19

Do They all live near each other ? (Except the wife’s parents) I can see how he might have thought just to invite his family close by if he didn’t really want to make a thing of it and some can’t make it to wedding abroad but it’s really really cruel of them all not to tell you until the day and to minimise your feelings. Anyone would be hurt by this. You deserve a sincere apology from all of them. Have none of them reached out and Atleast validated your feelings? This is really odd behaviour. To send you a photo as if you knew all about it but couldn’t come.

My brother lives in London, and my parents and sister in Herts. I'm in Cheshire, not the other side of the world!

OP posts:
TwigletsAndRadishes · 10/02/2025 20:21

I replied "Congratulations!! Looks like you've all had a lovely day!! ❤️❤️ xxx"
He replied back "Have I done something? That sounded a little clipped"
I messaged him back saying I was absolutely gutted that I knew nothing about this, and that I wasn't invited, and that I really didn't want to spoil his day, so could we speak another time?

I am still waiting for a response, almost 3 weeks later.

You response was not 'a little clipped' at all. Far from it. It was a perfectly nice and magnanimous response. He is on the defensive. He was expecting you to be upset so he chose to goad you into a response that he can then take as you being huffy with him.

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