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Dating thread 52 - 2025. Springing into Spring

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oldernotwiserffs · 06/02/2025 15:29

The Rules:
• The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating.
• Develop a thick skin.
• Do not invest emotionally too soon.
• It's all BS until it actually happens.
• Trust your gut instinct.
• People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your faulT.
• Know your wortH.
• If it's not fun, stop.
• Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread.
11. Treat others as you'd like to be treated
12. Any relationship you have that could get ruined by having a conversation about your feelings, standards and/or expectations wasn't really stable enough to begin with
13. The things you choose to ignore/ tolerate now are the reasons you will break up in the future
14. OLD can get very time consuming. Keep doing other activities you enjoy.
Optional: Please give your irons (potential dates you are talking to) nicknames like Mr Scottish. Initials are allowed (Mr S) when you are an item*

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ElleintheWoods · 30/04/2025 22:51

@Grenola what you're saying really resonates with me!

The disrupting of peace and stability for example... Right away men go "oh can I come to your exercise class with you?" No darling, you can't, this is my happy safe place, once I feel comfortable enough around you, I'll invite you myself, because if I'll want you everywhere with me. Or right away asking to review their work assignments, or throw some very dark drama my way. Opening up is one thing, but worrying about the wellbeing of someone you barely know is quite different. I'm a very happy, sparkly person, and I just don't want excess darkness in my life, especially someone that sees everything as doom and gloom.

I also get lonely sometimes. For me it's mostly physical touch I crave, beyond platonic hugs that I get plenty of, waking up next to someone I love.

The thing is, I get opportunities to satisfy that physical touch craving, and I just turn them down. For example, I went on 7 dates with a guy who was crazy about me, and I did quite like him, and I just had zero interest in kissing him. There's a couple of attractive, 'successful' (not that it mattered) guys that are asking if I'd want to spend a weekend with them in May, and I'm even somewhat attracted to them, but... I just can't really get myself interested.

I think that isolation and technology have a lot to answer for also. For example that illusion of endless options, as well as long-distance becoming more common etc. Whereas previously you'd just date in your local area.

So in my family women have always been the dominant person in the relationship, in terms of having the financial power for example, and to be honest they've left their first partner in their 30s and then never re-partnered. It used to confuse me as a younger woman, but they probably just had a much easier life that way. My mum's currently living her absolute best life, not constrained by carer duties etc. I think a partner would have made their world smaller, unless it would have been a very specific partner.

So this mindset is not at all new to me, that shift you're talking about. It's probably new in countries like the UK or USA, Spain, Italy etc where women used to have the option to stay home.

I'd really like to have a partner. I'm just struggling to think of one that doesn't drag me down, or the idea of who doesn't make me immediately think of negatives.

Funny enough, the guy I was crazy about wasn't someone who would have 'added' to my life in the traditional sense. But he gave peace and stability cos:

  • He was always really keen to listen to me and really engaged with me when I had something on my mind
  • He had his own friends and hobbies, so every Monday he'd have things to tell me about what he did, not just saying 'meh I didn't do much'
  • He opened up to me about his stuff quite easily, he'd just say 'this happened, it makes me feel like that'. He wouldn't expect me to fix his life or even let me if I tried, he was independent
  • Felt like I could be myself with him, end of the working day we'd have maybe an hour together to catch up, and even his physical presence just gave me peace, it's hard to explain. He wasn't too hyper or too loud, but also not pulling teeth, just a good match of temperaments
  • Right amount of contact and messaging, again quite matched to mine, gave me time to miss him, wasn't trying to move super fast but I always knew he was thinking about me

He didn't have muscles, a sports car or an amazing well-paid job, but he was just a good guy. In fact on paper he had several qualities that would be traditional 'red flags'. That seems to be hard to find these days...Or maybe that just comes naturally when 2 people really like each other?

I'm just really trying to solve the conundrum of how it is that I want a relationship, but actually pull away from any possibiities of one, even when the options aren't totally disastrous.

Petra42 · 03/05/2025 05:19

What sites are people using these days?

CountryTunes · 03/05/2025 08:22

Petra42 · 03/05/2025 05:19

What sites are people using these days?

I was using Badoo but now that it's summer i'm meeting people in real life

CountryTunes · 03/05/2025 08:34

ElleintheWoods · 29/04/2025 19:03

Ladies I have a couple of recent observations...

The rise of a certain kind of guy being with someone older and less conventionally attractive... I've noticed this so much recently! See a conventionally attractive man in my health club, probably around 35, fit, nice face and hair, clearly quite into their looks. As they approached a woman who was 10+ years older, objectively obese and seemingly more mature in their attitude, with some markers of being wealthy, I assumed they were having a pool day with their mum... Then they kissed them in a way you definitely don't kiss your mum! And I've seen a fair few of these couples recently.

I'm all for couples that are outwardly mismatched, I've definitely been in those myself, but has anyone noticed more of these kinds of couplings recently?

I don't think I've EVER seen the older wealthy woman/ younger fit man combo, and now they seem to be everywhere? For ref I am in a northern city with a fair mix of poverty and wealth, imagine somewhere like Liverpool.

Secondly... I am increasingly in a headspace where I like the concept of a boyfriend but actually, I don't seem to be able to go through with it? When I have a chance to kiss someone or more, it just puts me off and I pull away. I feel like one of these stereotypical men that's surrounded by pretty women but can't seem to take any of them seriously.

Especially when someone is keen and texts a lot, the more they contact me, the less I am interested in them.

Is anyone else experiencing this?

My fairly well-off middle aged friend dated a man 10 years younger and he wanted to marry her. I couldn't understand it but i think men are willing to marry wealthy women in the cost of living crisis. Personally i think he would marry and cheat on her with a younger woman

Grenola · 03/05/2025 09:15

@ElleintheWoods

so, it would appear we have a choice. Maybe even if presented by someone that ‘adds’ and doesn’t threaten our current equilibrium of who we are and how we live, we may not even choose them!

I think I’m only half in, discussing this with has made me realise. That even if someone did come along that presented as close to an ideal match then I may not choose to jump in. Maybe out of fear or maybe out of self preservation. Cuz any relationship even the good comes at a compromise and cost. Could be my current life, busy single mum status or could be an interpersonal reason?! Simply not being ready…… maybe more work on the old ‘self actualisation’ or maybe people like us who reflect like we are doing…simply get to being self actualised and don’t need a partner in the way we have know.
maybe that is ok…?! What we will loose out on is the companionship and physical touch. I just can’t do half in dating tho and friends with benefits.

hmmmm great discussion!

ElleintheWoods · 03/05/2025 20:01

@Grenola Yes I think I'm only half in too, but something has shifted in me in the last week or so.

Do you think you date with head or heart? As in, are you able to make good decisions, or just become set on someone potentially a bit unsuitable who you feel unexplainably attracted to?

I think as a parent as well, you're probably being extra choosy regarding who you let in?

Like yourself I can't do half either, I don't want to as much as kiss someone that I'm not super into. I'll be honest, I'm a bit of a 'roster' woman at the moment, as in, keeping guys around even if I have no real interest in them. It's nice to have options and offers of things to do. But I've realised it doesn't fulfil me anymore and I'm going to stop, unless it's someone who's a genuinely good platonic friend and not circling around for something else.

Maybe I'm finally ready for someone with whom I'm well suited with let me run off my feet. And hope they're not insane or avoidant :)

Grenola · 04/05/2025 18:04

….. actually I think if I have some feelings towards someone I get blind sided….. and my heart takes me and I become all in and then ignore the red flags.

so maybe I’m just not allowing myself knowing that they will be bad for me!

I too feel a shift in me….. maybe it’s a sign of being ready… but ready for the right thing

Springslopes12 · 15/05/2025 06:41

Morning, I'm new to the thread. Been single since last October. Signed up for OLD. Had a few dates. Met someone not through OLD who was 12 years younger and had a one night stand! That's it really, haven't found anyone worth getting excited over

Started talking to someone on Hinge, interesting conversation. However he takes so long to reply. The longest was 3 days! At the moment I've been waiting over a day now since his last reply. I got his job is busy but so is mine and I manage to find time to reply. He did mention going out for coffee/drink so he's interested but I feel the length or time to reply shows lack of interest. Should I unmatch him?

Springslopes12 · 15/05/2025 06:51

ElleintheWoods · 29/04/2025 19:03

Ladies I have a couple of recent observations...

The rise of a certain kind of guy being with someone older and less conventionally attractive... I've noticed this so much recently! See a conventionally attractive man in my health club, probably around 35, fit, nice face and hair, clearly quite into their looks. As they approached a woman who was 10+ years older, objectively obese and seemingly more mature in their attitude, with some markers of being wealthy, I assumed they were having a pool day with their mum... Then they kissed them in a way you definitely don't kiss your mum! And I've seen a fair few of these couples recently.

I'm all for couples that are outwardly mismatched, I've definitely been in those myself, but has anyone noticed more of these kinds of couplings recently?

I don't think I've EVER seen the older wealthy woman/ younger fit man combo, and now they seem to be everywhere? For ref I am in a northern city with a fair mix of poverty and wealth, imagine somewhere like Liverpool.

Secondly... I am increasingly in a headspace where I like the concept of a boyfriend but actually, I don't seem to be able to go through with it? When I have a chance to kiss someone or more, it just puts me off and I pull away. I feel like one of these stereotypical men that's surrounded by pretty women but can't seem to take any of them seriously.

Especially when someone is keen and texts a lot, the more they contact me, the less I am interested in them.

Is anyone else experiencing this?

Have you ever heard of avoidance attachment. This is exactly what it sounds like. Perhaps look it up and see what you think

ElleintheWoods · 15/05/2025 08:07

Springslopes12 · 15/05/2025 06:51

Have you ever heard of avoidance attachment. This is exactly what it sounds like. Perhaps look it up and see what you think

Yes that’s me all over now that I’m no longer 21 and desperate to have a boyfriend 🙈

The avoidance goes away if I really catch feelings for someone though - but that takes time and knowing the person.

ElleintheWoods · 15/05/2025 08:14

Springslopes12 · 15/05/2025 06:41

Morning, I'm new to the thread. Been single since last October. Signed up for OLD. Had a few dates. Met someone not through OLD who was 12 years younger and had a one night stand! That's it really, haven't found anyone worth getting excited over

Started talking to someone on Hinge, interesting conversation. However he takes so long to reply. The longest was 3 days! At the moment I've been waiting over a day now since his last reply. I got his job is busy but so is mine and I manage to find time to reply. He did mention going out for coffee/drink so he's interested but I feel the length or time to reply shows lack of interest. Should I unmatch him?

How long have you been interacting like this?

Maybe he’s just bad with the apps, eg doesn’t have notifications on, doesn’t open them.

But it sounds like he’s also not super invested in dating/ chatting if that’s how he is. In a relationship, is it important for you to have frequent communication and attention? Because it could be an app thing, but also his overall personality, hard to tell!

He may change once you meet him and he goes ‘wow’. If you’ve not dated a while and he seems nice and attractive, why not dip your toe in?

Springslopes12 · 15/05/2025 16:03

ElleintheWoods · 15/05/2025 08:07

Yes that’s me all over now that I’m no longer 21 and desperate to have a boyfriend 🙈

The avoidance goes away if I really catch feelings for someone though - but that takes time and knowing the person.

Could he anxious/avoidment mix. Not judging i think this is my attachment. Me and my friend often joke about it because she's the same too!

Springslopes12 · 15/05/2025 16:05

ElleintheWoods · 15/05/2025 08:14

How long have you been interacting like this?

Maybe he’s just bad with the apps, eg doesn’t have notifications on, doesn’t open them.

But it sounds like he’s also not super invested in dating/ chatting if that’s how he is. In a relationship, is it important for you to have frequent communication and attention? Because it could be an app thing, but also his overall personality, hard to tell!

He may change once you meet him and he goes ‘wow’. If you’ve not dated a while and he seems nice and attractive, why not dip your toe in?

Been messaging on the app 10 days. Sent about 8 messages in total. So far it's been 2 days that I have not heard anything.
He may not have notifications. I don't either but if you have an active conversation surely you'd check a bit more? I'm just not getting the feeling of much effort
I've made it clear that yes I'd like to go for a drink with him too

oldernotwiserffs · 15/05/2025 19:30

@Springslopes12are you interested enough to bite the bullet and just suggest a time and a place and see what happens? Some people just aren’t big on messaging.

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ElleintheWoods · 15/05/2025 20:50

oldernotwiserffs · 15/05/2025 19:30

@Springslopes12are you interested enough to bite the bullet and just suggest a time and a place and see what happens? Some people just aren’t big on messaging.

Yes, there’s a lady on this thread that doesn’t want to message at all before a date. Just see how it goes in person. Perfectly valid way to be, too

ElleintheWoods · 15/05/2025 21:00

Springslopes12 · 15/05/2025 16:03

Could he anxious/avoidment mix. Not judging i think this is my attachment. Me and my friend often joke about it because she's the same too!

Yes. I’ll be honest I tend to fall hard only for other avoidants, but then that makes me ‘the anxious one’, even though probably still quite avoidant. Do you think an avoidant-avoidant couple can work? 😄

I just feel safer when the other person is not super keen, as I’m afraid of hurting them. So if it grows slowly I feel more comfortable.

But a lot of guys are very quick to declare I’m the one or wanting to catch a plane to Verona, they tend to fall quickly and then I end up breaking their heart if I lead them on, and suffer after I do.

The last guy I dated was also more avoidant than me. His approach was ‘I’m really into you but this would never work and we’d both get hurt so let’s stop right there… but I still want to talk to you every day and occasionally tell/ show you I love you’ 🙈

How are you coping with your attachment style? Do you feel like you attract overly needy or overly avoidant people?

Springslopes12 · 16/05/2025 06:52

oldernotwiserffs · 15/05/2025 19:30

@Springslopes12are you interested enough to bite the bullet and just suggest a time and a place and see what happens? Some people just aren’t big on messaging.

He has finally replied and said let's try and organise going for a drink. He's asked if I'd prefer going for coffee or a cocktail. I think I'll say coffee

Springslopes12 · 16/05/2025 06:58

ElleintheWoods · 15/05/2025 21:00

Yes. I’ll be honest I tend to fall hard only for other avoidants, but then that makes me ‘the anxious one’, even though probably still quite avoidant. Do you think an avoidant-avoidant couple can work? 😄

I just feel safer when the other person is not super keen, as I’m afraid of hurting them. So if it grows slowly I feel more comfortable.

But a lot of guys are very quick to declare I’m the one or wanting to catch a plane to Verona, they tend to fall quickly and then I end up breaking their heart if I lead them on, and suffer after I do.

The last guy I dated was also more avoidant than me. His approach was ‘I’m really into you but this would never work and we’d both get hurt so let’s stop right there… but I still want to talk to you every day and occasionally tell/ show you I love you’ 🙈

How are you coping with your attachment style? Do you feel like you attract overly needy or overly avoidant people?

No i don't think it could work 😂 one person has to at least be secure for it to work.

Like atm this guy has now replied and wants to arrange a date. Everything in me is screaming run away!
I've also dated men where i haven't been that interested but they are very keen but if I've seen im very interested they don't want to know. It's tough!

I've done alot of work on myself so I'm trying to spot red flags and have boundaries because the majority of my previous relationships have been emotionally/mentally abusive. I really don't want another one.
Counselling helped to a certain point but now it's just not helpful and they have nothing new to help me with.

I'm going to try my best with this date. See how it goes and have fun

ThatAquaRobin · 16/05/2025 17:42

I thought I'd join the thread after it was recommended. A quick dig through my past threads will give the background. I am 49 and on bumble. Divorced 2023. 2 kids.
Well OLD is certainly an eye opener.
On the thread rules it says "It's all BS until it actually happens" Ain't that the truth? The hard truth.

I had a date set up for last Sat night and he cancels 5 hours before after saying he was looking forward to it the night before. That was Mr Teacher.

I set up a coffee date for last Sunday. Mr Nervous. We parted ways after an hour so because absolutely no chemistry on my part (waaay too nervous, clumsily so)

I have been speaking for four days on the bumble app and then on Whatsapp to Mr Raver who also has a son and lives an hour away. We spoke on the phone on Tuesday. The first date we could set up is next Saturday 24th but given my Mr Teacher experience, I'm fully expecting this one to flake too! It's sad isn't it having to dampen your expectations this way? He seems nice but I'm wary now.

I had a brief conversation with Mr Mechanic on the app this evening but I shut it down when he started to steer it sexually.
It's a minefield.

Springslopes12 · 18/05/2025 09:54

Ok I have a date today with Mr Hinge. Coffee date with max 2 hours as he has other plans this afternoon.
Tbh I hate dates I get super nervous! So I'm not looking forward to it!

ElleintheWoods · 18/05/2025 13:18

Springslopes12 · 18/05/2025 09:54

Ok I have a date today with Mr Hinge. Coffee date with max 2 hours as he has other plans this afternoon.
Tbh I hate dates I get super nervous! So I'm not looking forward to it!

Good luck!! If you make it there without running away, that's half a victory :)

Please let us know how it went!

@ThatAquaRobin did your date happen, or is that the following week?

A lot of people are on apps dipping their toe in or getting validation, suppose that's why people are flakey. I have banned myself from the apps for that reason, I was there for a couple of weeks to have fun conversations with hot guys, but I didn't plan to seriously meet any of them. Hard to say what % of people are on there without really looking to meet anyone, but I presume quite high.

ThatAquaRobin · 18/05/2025 13:28

Hope it goes well @Springslopes12
@ElleintheWoods I am supposed to meet meeting Mr Raver next Saturday. We exchanged some more texts earlier so 🤞

Springslopes12 · 18/05/2025 15:51

ElleintheWoods · 18/05/2025 13:18

Good luck!! If you make it there without running away, that's half a victory :)

Please let us know how it went!

@ThatAquaRobin did your date happen, or is that the following week?

A lot of people are on apps dipping their toe in or getting validation, suppose that's why people are flakey. I have banned myself from the apps for that reason, I was there for a couple of weeks to have fun conversations with hot guys, but I didn't plan to seriously meet any of them. Hard to say what % of people are on there without really looking to meet anyone, but I presume quite high.

Edited

It went well. Had great conversation and he's good looking just not 100%. There were some things he said that I'm not sure on. We are both neurodiverse and we established that quickly. He made a comment about needing to feel in control which I get some people don't like that feeling but from someone who has been in domestic abusive relationships it rang alarm bells

Springslopes12 · 18/05/2025 15:52

ThatAquaRobin · 18/05/2025 13:28

Hope it goes well @Springslopes12
@ElleintheWoods I am supposed to meet meeting Mr Raver next Saturday. We exchanged some more texts earlier so 🤞

Good luck on your date! Is this your first?

ThatAquaRobin · 18/05/2025 16:41

Yes we haven't met in person yet @Springslopes12.