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Clare's law request

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olivietolivie · 11/01/2025 18:19

Has anybody ever done a Clare's law request, been invited to a police station for disclosure and it not be a deal breaker? I've got an appointment next week and it just feels strange continuing to be 'normal' around the guy when I imagine it's all going to end next week. Or is it? Would appreciate some views as I feel a bit muddled.

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Twaddlepip · 04/09/2025 22:20

olivietolivie · 04/09/2025 20:15

But it doesn’t feel like I’m in an abusive relationship at all. It feels like a very satisfying relationship for the most part.

Apart from his frightening sexual coercion of you? Wake up. Jesus. (And that’s not even touching upon the Clare’s law disclosure).

YesIReallyDidOK · 04/09/2025 23:35

olivietolivie · 04/09/2025 20:15

But it doesn’t feel like I’m in an abusive relationship at all. It feels like a very satisfying relationship for the most part.

Genuine question: what do you think an abusive relationship feels like?

Unfortunately, most people don't know the actual answer to this. Abusive relationships don't feel like what most people would consider to be abusive all of the time, but this doesn't mean it's not abuse, and it doesn't mean that witnessing abuse (even when it's fine most or some of the time) doesn't cause long term harm to any children involved.

Another genuine question: what signs would possibly alert you that a friend may be in an abusive relationship?

I know some people on here have been harsh, but I'm not interested in berating you, I'm just trying to understand.

Agapornis · 05/09/2025 01:31

"a very satisfying relationship for the most part".
Shouldn't it be 100% satisfying all the time? If not, why not? Do you find, say, 1% abusive acceptable? Why? Would you feel the same if a friend's relationship was like this? Or your child's?

I suspect you've only been in mediocre/bad relationships, and you don't know what good looks like.

AlertCat · 05/09/2025 06:26

In my more abusive relationship, I continually questioned and doubted myself, because nothing he ever did was ‘that bad’. The effect was pernicious over time, however.

In my current relationship, it felt weird to begin with because I was on high alert waiting for the red flags, and they didn’t appear. I remember a conversation with a close friend about it and saying something that he did or didn’t do, and she looked at me and said, “But that’s what normal relationships are like. Have you never had that before?” It was a little bit heartbreaking because no, I hadn’t. This is my first one with no element of game-playing, coercion, manipulation, fear, or anything else like that and I didn’t get into it until my forties and after five years of being on my own (which was crucial, actually).

@olivietolivie as pp said, we aren’t trying to bully you. We are worried for you because of our own experiences. From all that you’ve said about this man, we think he is an abuser, and the moment he sees you as being under his control - if you let him be 1:1 with your child, if you move in together, if you become pregnant - he will ramp it up. And believe me, it doesn’t have to involve any physical violence on your person to be incredibly destructive; I left as a shell and 100% it contributed to my breakdown several years later. What will you do if he behaves spitefully towards your little girl? A thread recently that happened, they moved in and he started blanking a small child. Again it isn’t much, on paper, but it’s huge. Please take in what we’re saying to you.

Channellingsophistication · 05/09/2025 06:51

I find this thread quite troubling. The relationship is mostly good, but there is still boundary pushing in the bedroom. Isn't that the biggest red flag of all? Pushing to see how far he can go with you. Abusers don't show their true selves immediately it's a gradual build up, and a breakdown of your self-esteem to make you question yourself to accept it

Surely new relationships should be fun, exciting and carefree and shouldn't be troubled with a Claire's law request and wondering if allegations made are true and supporting them because they had a bad mental health day. Surely less hassle to be on your own!

A relationship should enrich your life. Can you hand on heart say that the relationship with him enriches your life?

Please take care

MsJinks · 05/09/2025 08:57

Well you’ve made a choice OP, and I sincerely hope it is the right one.
I do find pushing sexual boundaries pretty troubling, as in my experience (and those I’ve heard about as well) this really won’t stop - because these things are what he desires and it won’t change for him without massive external work on it (this not just anecdotally, but from a therapist moons ago who told me changing /stopping sexual attraction is incredibly hard, mostly fails and basically all to be done is aversion therapy - maybe things have moved on and work can be done - if he engages). Maybe the actual pushing is his ‘thing’ as much as whatever he says he wants to do, so where would that end?
I’ve heard it said sex is an almost negligible part of a relationship when within the whole there is a good/balanced sexual relationship that accommodates both parties well - but becomes a massive issue, pervading all parts of the relationship, where there are differences and difficulties- seems reasonably accurate to me - nothing worse than dreading bedtime/touching etc, it ruins even the best of times together eventually. Anyway, so ‘just’ pushing sexual boundaries is maybe going to be bigger than you think and I’m afraid chatting about it will not change his preferences and drive to get them - to me as well this will be very much linked to his frustration, lack of trust etc that brought him to the attention of the police in the first place.
Be aware and be careful OP - I’m sorry that the best time of a relationship is overshadowed and probably foreshadows worse times, though I obviously hope not.

olivietolivie · 05/09/2025 09:09

Thank you all for your constructive comments.

I have been in an abusive relationship before and it was horrible and frightening and miles apart from how this feels. I feel loved and supported and I thoroughly enjoy being in his company and spending time with him.

the sex part - it is primarily that he doesn’t accept when I don’t want to and forces me to. I know how awful that reads - but he isn’t hurting me.

He also is resistant to using a condom but I have spoken to him about that this week and said that we cannot take risks like unprotected sex anymore (he usually pulls out but recently didn’t) and he seemed accepting so hoping that next time will be ok.

Both of those paragraphs look awful now I’ve read them back but it’s such a small part of our relationship when this happens - otherwise we have a fantastic relationship and sex life.

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stampin · 05/09/2025 09:18

I can hardly believe what I've just read. Confused

Girlmom35 · 05/09/2025 09:18

olivietolivie · 05/09/2025 09:09

Thank you all for your constructive comments.

I have been in an abusive relationship before and it was horrible and frightening and miles apart from how this feels. I feel loved and supported and I thoroughly enjoy being in his company and spending time with him.

the sex part - it is primarily that he doesn’t accept when I don’t want to and forces me to. I know how awful that reads - but he isn’t hurting me.

He also is resistant to using a condom but I have spoken to him about that this week and said that we cannot take risks like unprotected sex anymore (he usually pulls out but recently didn’t) and he seemed accepting so hoping that next time will be ok.

Both of those paragraphs look awful now I’ve read them back but it’s such a small part of our relationship when this happens - otherwise we have a fantastic relationship and sex life.

Oh yes, we have a lovely relationship.
Other than the times he rapes me.

Seriously

humpty74 · 05/09/2025 09:18

He is trying to get you pregnant.
Please just reread what you wrote.
He forces you to have sex and doesn't use contraception and you "hope" it will be better next time?

ThisCraftySeal · 05/09/2025 09:19

Are you for real!!! You are being raped repeatedly. You need to get out before you “accidentally” get pregnant and it’s harder to leave.

humpty74 · 05/09/2025 09:22

"otherwise we have a fantastic relationship and sex life."

Yeah, sounds fantastic that you enjoy the sex when you consent to it and when he uses contraception. How is he if you refuse anything else he wants? Or are you such a perfect match that you never need to disagree with him?

If you're not on the pill already, please start it without telling him if you won't do anything else.

Endofyear · 05/09/2025 09:22

He forces you to have sex? That is rape 😳 so you have a happy loving relationship but he rapes you?

Taztoy · 05/09/2025 09:23

I’ve been when you are. I did a Claire’s law because my gut told me something was off.

unlike you, there was nothing.

but when I broke it off with him it went badly.

please please be careful op. He’s raping you.

humpty74 · 05/09/2025 09:35

@olivietolivie if you won't leave him there's nothing anyone can say that will make you do it.
Please consider the following in order of importance:
Make sure your child is safe from him.
Get on the pill.
Talk to a friend and make them aware
Get a spare burner phone to keep in your drawer at work with a different Google or apple account that he doesn't know about and put important contacts on
Have somewhere you can go if you need to.
Keep any important personal documents in a safe.
Track down and speak to his ex wife.

I'm sure there's other stuff to think of but those things are a start.

Or you could just leave him.

HowAmYa · 05/09/2025 09:42

Literally cannot believe what I’ve just read.
OP please please look at what you’ve written. He forces you to have sex. That’s rape. That’s sexual abuse. He is minimising. My god just look at what you’ve written!!!!

MissDoubleU · 05/09/2025 09:42

It doesn’t feel like an abusive relationship, he just rapes you and has previous accusations of such things. Jesus wept. What would you tell your daughter in this situation!?

unfollowing this thread because it’s so completely triggering watching this happen and be completely excused in real time.

whathaveiforgotten · 05/09/2025 09:43

Has he met your daughter now OP?

supercali77 · 05/09/2025 09:50

The sex part is mainly That he forces you to have sex when you don't want to. Do you actually understand that is rape? And the mentality of a rapist. What if you really don't want to and you struggle against him when he forces you? What happens then? You're out of your mind to stay in this

Pashazade · 05/09/2025 10:09

OP this is a shit sandwich, he lovely makes you feel safe etc but in the meantime he’s raping you when you engage with sex! As everyone says he’s trying to get you pregnant. Come on. Please you have to stop this relationship now. Coercive sex is never ever right, he’s ignoring your wishes. Please don’t become a statistic. This is such a distressing read. Please please consider what your response would be if a friend came to you with this. Would you genuinely tell them to stay and that their well being mental and physical was worth the risk. Because I deeply suspect sexual coercion is closely linked to violent escalation once the woman involved is stuck and we all know violence increases during pregnancy.

whathaveiforgotten · 05/09/2025 10:23

You are trusting a man who has repeatedly raped you to wear a condom simply because you’ve asked him to. He won’t. He will get you pregnant. And abuse escalates in pregnancy. You’ll be right where he wants you.

You are already a mother to a daughter. You owe it to her to stop this relationship today. You are endangering her by endangering yourself. He’s a rapist.

If he punched you in the face as many times as he has not taken no for an answer (aka raped you) would you still be with him?

If your daughter told you everything was ‘great’ in a relationship apart from her being repeatedly raped, what would your advice to her be? Imagine her coming to you with that information. How would you feel?

humpty74 · 05/09/2025 10:29

@olivietolivie or perhaps just do the Clare's law request again. Speak to the police and make sure you speak to the person who read the record this time.
Tell them about the not taking no for an answer and the refusal to use contraception. See what they suggest. See if they say it sounds like a normal healthy relationship.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 05/09/2025 10:36

The sex part - it is primarily that he doesn’t accept when I don’t want to and forces me to. I know how awful that reads - but he isn’t hurting me.

So he rapes you. Got it.
Although he isn't hurting you.

He also is resistant to using a condom but I have spoken to him about that this week and said that we cannot take risks like unprotected sex anymore

Oh that's lovely. He wants you to get pregnant.

(he usually pulls out but recently didn’t)

FFS even if he pulls out every time that is not a method of contraception.

..........and he seemed accepting so hoping that next time will be ok.

Ha ha ha ha ha
Sure. Next time he rapes you he'll use a condom, which automatically makes rape OK.

FFS @olivietolivie I'm not sure what to advise here. Well, apart from reporting him to the police for rape.

Are you on the Pill? Implant? Anything?

WickWood · 05/09/2025 11:19

Fuck me, this can't be real, surely?

He regularly rapes me, but other than that he's a fucking delight 🙃

Jesus.

Zucker · 05/09/2025 11:40

He is raping you.
He is trying to get you pregnant.
He is trying to trap you.
He is lovely.

Has he moved in yet, does he have his feet firmly under the table? Has he met your child by now?

You're going to learn a very dangerous lesson.