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Hubby brought up the "body count" question. Should I lie? After years, I don't know what's worse?!

167 replies

AthenaGals01 · 31/12/2024 00:21

As title, I'm not ashamed but I have no idea anymore these days what counts as "high", fear I am even though with him a while (faithfully)! Don't know how to respond? What have you all said?

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LostittoBostik · 04/01/2025 09:34

AmberOrca · 31/12/2024 07:59

I actually think it is an important question though not phrased as body count - that’s a horrible phrase.
It is a conversation to be had much nearer the start of a relationship.
I don’t know if you remember an advert where a couple were lying in bed but lined up behind them were all the people they’d slept with before- I think the idea was that unprotected sex exposes you to infection from everyone that person has ever had unprotected sex with.
Anyway, that advert really affected me and my choices - although being really quite young I didn’t think through that protected sex is ok.
We married quite young so we both have single figure count it on one hand numbers - I still find it a bit uncomfortable thanks to that advert.

Yes - so the answer to that is not to have unprotected sex until you've both got a full STI check, not to demand information from another adult that is absolutely none of your business.

StarlightLady · 04/01/2025 09:35

LostittoBostik · 04/01/2025 09:34

Yes - so the answer to that is not to have unprotected sex until you've both got a full STI check, not to demand information from another adult that is absolutely none of your business.

This!

User0303 · 04/01/2025 09:53

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twentysevendresses · 04/01/2025 10:22

Looks like Andrew Tate's Fan Boy has joined the thread 😩🤦‍♀️

heroinechic · 04/01/2025 10:26

lol @User0303 has to be a troll. What kind of bloke comes onto a woman's forum bragging about being a virgin in his mid-20s? How would a man's business colleagues know about his wife's sexual history?! None of it makes sense, and the use of a woman's body for surrogacy is the kicker for me.

On the off chance you are real, you're probably a socially awkward weirdo who couldn't pull a girl even if you plied her with drinks and dinner. You've bought into this red pill movement because it makes you feel powerful, rather than insecure. Quite sad really!

SleeplessInWherever · 04/01/2025 12:04

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See. In the real world, bagging a 25 year old unemployed virgin would be a catastrophic failure.

I should know - I did, then I divorced it.

MoveToParis · 04/01/2025 21:04

HelmholtzWatson · 04/01/2025 06:59

That's because it is - more sexual partners is associated with all kinds of negative behaviours and characteristics such as drink, drugs and poor mental health.

Are there any negative characteristics associated with having zero or one: like highly neurotic, prone to petty jealousy and over invested in the lives of others?

HelmholtzWatson · 05/01/2025 07:22

StarlightLady · 04/01/2025 09:06

I’ve had a lot of sexual partners and not ashamed of it nor regret it. I also have a professional job, my own house, only drink socially (preferably Bollinger),, don’t smoke, don’t do drugs and have good metal health.

None of the above things relate to the number of people l’ve had sex with.

Good for you. Your anecdote doesn't change the statistical likelihood of these behaviours being correlated though, so it's irrelevant.

StarlightLady · 05/01/2025 08:57

HelmholtzWatson · 05/01/2025 07:22

Good for you. Your anecdote doesn't change the statistical likelihood of these behaviours being correlated though, so it's irrelevant.

Source?

MsAlicia · 05/01/2025 09:33

@User0303 the language you've picked up in your incel chat rooms is disturbing, but in no way convincing any of us you have a girlfriend.

The reason women are rejecting you, is you.

heroinechic · 05/01/2025 13:31

@HelmholtzWatson if someone is concerned about a partner's mental health, use of drink & drugs etc wouldn't the most sensible thing be to observe their behaviour?

Statistics ignore the nuances of life. Many people have 'phases' of life where they might indulge in certain behaviours and then they move on from them. When I was at university I drank alcohol regularly and had one or two one night stands. By the time I met my DH in my late 20s I hadn't had any intimacy in 4 years (by choice!).

You can look at statistics all you like but all they will tell you is what is generally more or less likely, or where there is correlation based on a general sample size. They won't tell you a thing about the person stood before you.

HelmholtzWatson · 06/01/2025 06:24

StarlightLady · 05/01/2025 08:57

Source?

A review published in Nature examining correlations and heritability estimates.

Hubby brought up the "body count" question. Should I lie? After years, I don't know what's worse?!
HelmholtzWatson · 06/01/2025 06:30

heroinechic · 05/01/2025 13:31

@HelmholtzWatson if someone is concerned about a partner's mental health, use of drink & drugs etc wouldn't the most sensible thing be to observe their behaviour?

Statistics ignore the nuances of life. Many people have 'phases' of life where they might indulge in certain behaviours and then they move on from them. When I was at university I drank alcohol regularly and had one or two one night stands. By the time I met my DH in my late 20s I hadn't had any intimacy in 4 years (by choice!).

You can look at statistics all you like but all they will tell you is what is generally more or less likely, or where there is correlation based on a general sample size. They won't tell you a thing about the person stood before you.

What is the difference between observing their behaviour and asking questions about their behaviour? If you think your partner might be having an affair, is the best thing to observe their behaviour or ask them questions?

StarlightLady · 06/01/2025 06:46

HelmholtzWatson · 06/01/2025 06:24

A review published in Nature examining correlations and heritability estimates.

Statistics about people are often flawed because they are not representative of the population as a whole. For example, “age of first intercourse” etc, nobody has asked me.

Likewise I’ve never been asked about number of “bed partners”, languages spoken etc.

StarlightLady · 06/01/2025 06:51

As for comments used about virgins (a word oft used in a sexist way about so calked purity), if you were boarding an aircraft, would you rather be with an experienced captain, or one who was trying for their first time?

lt is better where possible to learn from experience.

HelmholtzWatson · 06/01/2025 11:44

StarlightLady · 06/01/2025 06:46

Statistics about people are often flawed because they are not representative of the population as a whole. For example, “age of first intercourse” etc, nobody has asked me.

Likewise I’ve never been asked about number of “bed partners”, languages spoken etc.

Right...so despite the fact that it has been peer reviewed and published in the most prestigious journals in the world, the fact that they didn't ask you means it's "flawed"?

StarlightLady · 06/01/2025 11:57

HelmholtzWatson · 06/01/2025 11:44

Right...so despite the fact that it has been peer reviewed and published in the most prestigious journals in the world, the fact that they didn't ask you means it's "flawed"?

I said such stats can be “often flawed”. I have no knowledge of a peer review or when and where it was published, so l can’t comment on that. It is not my area of expertise.

l do know from experience though that sex and drugs and rock and roll, in spite of the song, don’t necessarily go together. I also know what to do between the sheets 😘.

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